Re: Dietary help, Autism and diabetes

[Guest guest]

You wouldn't be on a nil-carb diet, surely? I am not an expert but I think it

is the case that if a healthy person has ketones in their urine then they are

indeed using their own tissues as fuel and they won't have eaten for a while.

The answer is (unless there is a health problem) to eat more (and to drink water

straight away to dilute the ketones). On structured low-carb weight loss diets

it is not unusal to go into mild ketosis - but it should be monitored to make

sure it is only very mild and it's important to drink the right amount of

water. On diets such as SCD and GAPs where certain classes of carbs are not

eaten, but others are, I don't think you should go into ketosis if you are

eating enough and eating a good range of the allowed foods?

Margaret

>

> Came across a Swedish article (have pressed the translate button so hopefully

it comes up in English)

http://www.1177.se/Vastra-Gotaland/Fakta-och-rad/Sjukdomar/Diabetes-typ-1/?ar=Tr\

ue

> Am I understanding right that by going carbohydrate and sugar free could cause

diabetes because of excess ketones?

> Sorry if I'm a bit slow here but would appreciate the help from the

knowledgeable people in this group so as to understand the process because I've

always thought going carbohydrate and sugar free would be a good thing.

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

You wouldn't be on a nil-carb diet, surely? I am not an expert but I think it

is the case that if a healthy person has ketones in their urine then they are

indeed using their own tissues as fuel and they won't have eaten for a while.

The answer is (unless there is a health problem) to eat more (and to drink water

straight away to dilute the ketones). On structured low-carb weight loss diets

it is not unusal to go into mild ketosis - but it should be monitored to make

sure it is only very mild and it's important to drink the right amount of

water. On diets such as SCD and GAPs where certain classes of carbs are not

eaten, but others are, I don't think you should go into ketosis if you are

eating enough and eating a good range of the allowed foods?

Margaret

>

> Came across a Swedish article (have pressed the translate button so hopefully

it comes up in English)

http://www.1177.se/Vastra-Gotaland/Fakta-och-rad/Sjukdomar/Diabetes-typ-1/?ar=Tr\

ue

> Am I understanding right that by going carbohydrate and sugar free could cause

diabetes because of excess ketones?

> Sorry if I'm a bit slow here but would appreciate the help from the

knowledgeable people in this group so as to understand the process because I've

always thought going carbohydrate and sugar free would be a good thing.

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

You wouldn't be on a nil-carb diet, surely? I am not an expert but I think it

is the case that if a healthy person has ketones in their urine then they are

indeed using their own tissues as fuel and they won't have eaten for a while.

The answer is (unless there is a health problem) to eat more (and to drink water

straight away to dilute the ketones). On structured low-carb weight loss diets

it is not unusal to go into mild ketosis - but it should be monitored to make

sure it is only very mild and it's important to drink the right amount of

water. On diets such as SCD and GAPs where certain classes of carbs are not

eaten, but others are, I don't think you should go into ketosis if you are

eating enough and eating a good range of the allowed foods?

Margaret

>

> Came across a Swedish article (have pressed the translate button so hopefully

it comes up in English)

http://www.1177.se/Vastra-Gotaland/Fakta-och-rad/Sjukdomar/Diabetes-typ-1/?ar=Tr\

ue

> Am I understanding right that by going carbohydrate and sugar free could cause

diabetes because of excess ketones?

> Sorry if I'm a bit slow here but would appreciate the help from the

knowledgeable people in this group so as to understand the process because I've

always thought going carbohydrate and sugar free would be a good thing.

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,I am a scientist that worked on diabetes for the past 8 years-it's very complex and I will try to keep it simple...Diabetes is a very complex disease. There are major causes: genetics (leading cause to Type I) and being overweight/obese (leading to Type II)All problems start the body's inability to use the sugar produced from digestion of food in your stomach.There is no such thing as going sugar free (your, mine and everybody else's brains work with sugar only).If you

don't ingest enough "complex" carbohydrates (from pulses, wholemeal pasta.bread) your liver will produce enough to keep one alive for some time.In extreme cases, when people go on strict diets, their pancreas and livers go under a lot of stress and they can become diabetic permanently.Now, as for ketones, this is a simple urine test that checks levels of ketones produced by the body when there is too much sugar in the bloodand the body can't cope any longer with this (full blown diabetes).As you guessed there are different stages of the disease for type II but sadly Type I onset is quick and often not diagnosed-if only GPs would spend 5p on a urine strip!Rather than going sugar-free, I would say it would be best for children and people on the ASD spectrum and not to adopt a low GI diet, the only onerecognised by the medical establishment.I hope this helps a bit but if you or anybody else on the forum wants to know more, please do get in touch!Oz To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012, 11:41 Subject: Dietary help, Autism and diabetes

Came across a Swedish article (have pressed the translate button so hopefully it comes up in English) http://www.1177.se/Vastra-Gotaland/Fakta-och-rad/Sjukdomar/Diabetes-typ-1/?ar=True

Am I understanding right that by going carbohydrate and sugar free could cause diabetes because of excess ketones?

Sorry if I'm a bit slow here but would appreciate the help from the knowledgeable people in this group so as to understand the process because I've always thought going carbohydrate and sugar free would be a good thing.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,I am a scientist that worked on diabetes for the past 8 years-it's very complex and I will try to keep it simple...Diabetes is a very complex disease. There are major causes: genetics (leading cause to Type I) and being overweight/obese (leading to Type II)All problems start the body's inability to use the sugar produced from digestion of food in your stomach.There is no such thing as going sugar free (your, mine and everybody else's brains work with sugar only).If you

don't ingest enough "complex" carbohydrates (from pulses, wholemeal pasta.bread) your liver will produce enough to keep one alive for some time.In extreme cases, when people go on strict diets, their pancreas and livers go under a lot of stress and they can become diabetic permanently.Now, as for ketones, this is a simple urine test that checks levels of ketones produced by the body when there is too much sugar in the bloodand the body can't cope any longer with this (full blown diabetes).As you guessed there are different stages of the disease for type II but sadly Type I onset is quick and often not diagnosed-if only GPs would spend 5p on a urine strip!Rather than going sugar-free, I would say it would be best for children and people on the ASD spectrum and not to adopt a low GI diet, the only onerecognised by the medical establishment.I hope this helps a bit but if you or anybody else on the forum wants to know more, please do get in touch!Oz To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012, 11:41 Subject: Dietary help, Autism and diabetes

Came across a Swedish article (have pressed the translate button so hopefully it comes up in English) http://www.1177.se/Vastra-Gotaland/Fakta-och-rad/Sjukdomar/Diabetes-typ-1/?ar=True

Am I understanding right that by going carbohydrate and sugar free could cause diabetes because of excess ketones?

Sorry if I'm a bit slow here but would appreciate the help from the knowledgeable people in this group so as to understand the process because I've always thought going carbohydrate and sugar free would be a good thing.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,I am a scientist that worked on diabetes for the past 8 years-it's very complex and I will try to keep it simple...Diabetes is a very complex disease. There are major causes: genetics (leading cause to Type I) and being overweight/obese (leading to Type II)All problems start the body's inability to use the sugar produced from digestion of food in your stomach.There is no such thing as going sugar free (your, mine and everybody else's brains work with sugar only).If you

don't ingest enough "complex" carbohydrates (from pulses, wholemeal pasta.bread) your liver will produce enough to keep one alive for some time.In extreme cases, when people go on strict diets, their pancreas and livers go under a lot of stress and they can become diabetic permanently.Now, as for ketones, this is a simple urine test that checks levels of ketones produced by the body when there is too much sugar in the bloodand the body can't cope any longer with this (full blown diabetes).As you guessed there are different stages of the disease for type II but sadly Type I onset is quick and often not diagnosed-if only GPs would spend 5p on a urine strip!Rather than going sugar-free, I would say it would be best for children and people on the ASD spectrum and not to adopt a low GI diet, the only onerecognised by the medical establishment.I hope this helps a bit but if you or anybody else on the forum wants to know more, please do get in touch!Oz To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012, 11:41 Subject: Dietary help, Autism and diabetes

Came across a Swedish article (have pressed the translate button so hopefully it comes up in English) http://www.1177.se/Vastra-Gotaland/Fakta-och-rad/Sjukdomar/Diabetes-typ-1/?ar=True

Am I understanding right that by going carbohydrate and sugar free could cause diabetes because of excess ketones?

Sorry if I'm a bit slow here but would appreciate the help from the knowledgeable people in this group so as to understand the process because I've always thought going carbohydrate and sugar free would be a good thing.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Ketogenic diet is also a treatment for seizures - one limits carbs and proteins

in diet to force the body to use fat for energy. As Oz says, the residual of

fat metabolism shows in the urine as ketone bodies. When anticonvulsants were

failing here in the 90s, we tried this diet. It works! Our limits for carbs were

10gm/day; all other calories came from fat. Inducing diabetes/pancreatic failure

did not happen- from the looks of poo here pancreatic function was already more

than a bit compromised. Liver and kidney tests remained normal. It is

difficult!! and family was unwilling to help much w it. While seizures were well

controlled, it had negatives that I know now were related to my lack of

nutritional knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Ketogenic-Diet/-Freeman/e/9781932603187

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1940242/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/

http://www.charliefoundation.org/ some comparisons here

@http://www.charliefoundation.org/comparison-chart/content/faq/comparison-chart

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> Hi ,

>

> I am a scientist that worked on diabetes for the past 8 years-it's very

complex and I will try to keep it simple...

> Diabetes is a very complex disease. There are major causes: genetics (leading

cause to Type I) and being overweight/obese (leading to Type II)

> All problems start the body's inability to use the sugar produced from

digestion of food in your stomach.

> There is no such thing as going sugar free (your, mine and everybody else's

brains work with sugar only).

> If you don't ingest enough " complex " carbohydrates (from pulses, wholemeal

pasta.bread) your liver will produce enough to keep one alive for some time.

> In extreme cases, when people go on strict diets, their pancreas and livers go

under a lot of stress and they can become diabetic permanently.

> Now, as for ketones, this is a simple urine test that checks levels of ketones

produced by the body when there is too much sugar in the blood

> and the body can't cope any longer with this (full blown diabetes).

> As you guessed there are different stages of the disease for type II but sadly

Type I onset is quick and often not diagnosed-if only GPs would spend 5p on a

urine strip!

> Rather than going sugar-free, I would say it would be best for children and

people on the ASD spectrum and not to adopt a low GI diet, the only one

> recognised by the medical establishment.

> I hope this helps a bit but if you or anybody else on the forum wants to know

more, please do get in touch!

> Oz

>

>

>

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> >To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> >Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012, 11:41

> >Subject: Dietary help, Autism and diabetes

> >

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> > 

> >Came across a Swedish article (have pressed the translate button so hopefully

it comes up in English)

http://www.1177.se/Vastra-Gotaland/Fakta-och-rad/Sjukdomar/Diabetes-typ-1/?ar=Tr\

ue

> >Am I understanding right that by going carbohydrate and sugar free could

cause diabetes because of excess ketones?

> >Sorry if I'm a bit slow here but would appreciate the help from the

knowledgeable people in this group so as to understand the process because I've

always thought going carbohydrate and sugar free would be a good thing.

> >Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

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Firstly I will explain where I am coming from in terms of low GI diet.

People become pre-diabetic before becoming fully diabetic.

The best intervention is in the " family history " group in the pre-diabetic

stages where lifestyle changes (exercise and diet) can

make a great impact and stop the disease progression without use of any

medications!

A low GI diet will keep sugar levels in the normal range without a spike. What

causes the pancreas to go into overload mode is the huge spike in sugar after a

high GI meal (white bread, pasta, some fruit,cakes etc). This spike will make

the pancreas produce more insulin, and as this gets worse with time there is a

point where the pancreas can no longer cope and the sugar levels will rise to

" toxic " levels-that's right! The high sugar levels will start killing off cells

in the body and that's where the diabetic complications come from (kidneys,

eyes, etc...).

In terms of suggesting a low GI diet...that would depend on what needs to be

addressed. If a child suffers from epilepsy, and the medications cannot control

it, the GI diet does not go far enough to put the body into " starvation " mode to

use fat as source of energy (ketogenic diet).

Unfortunately the subject is vast to say the least.

If you need more info on a particular aspect I'd be more than happy to explain

and/or point you in the right direction (if I can!).

Hope this helps

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I am a scientist that worked on diabetes for the past 8 years-it's

very complex and I will try to keep it simple...

> > Diabetes is a very complex disease. There are major causes: genetics

(leading cause to Type I) and being overweight/obese (leading to Type II)

> > All problems start the body's inability to use the sugar produced from

digestion of food in your stomach.

> > There is no such thing as going sugar free (your, mine and everybody else's

brains work with sugar only).

> > If you don't ingest enough " complex " carbohydrates (from pulses, wholemeal

pasta.bread) your liver will produce enough to keep one alive for some time.

> > In extreme cases, when people go on strict diets, their pancreas and livers

go under a lot of stress and they can become diabetic permanently.

> > Now, as for ketones, this is a simple urine test that checks levels of

ketones produced by the body when there is too much sugar in the blood

> > and the body can't cope any longer with this (full blown diabetes).

> > As you guessed there are different stages of the disease for type II but

sadly Type I onset is quick and often not diagnosed-if only GPs would spend 5p

on a urine strip!

> > Rather than going sugar-free, I would say it would be best for children and

people on the ASD spectrum and not to adopt a low GI diet, the only one

> > recognised by the medical establishment.

> > I hope this helps a bit but if you or anybody else on the forum wants to

know more, please do get in touch!

> > Oz

> >

> >

> >

> > >________________________________

> > > From: <lisastubner@>

> > >To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> > >Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012, 11:41

> > >Subject: Dietary help, Autism and diabetes

> > >

> > >

> > > 

> > >Came across a Swedish article (have pressed the translate button so

hopefully it comes up in English)

http://www.1177.se/Vastra-Gotaland/Fakta-och-rad/Sjukdomar/Diabetes-typ-1/?ar=Tr\

ue

> > >Am I understanding right that by going carbohydrate and sugar free could

cause diabetes because of excess ketones?

> > >Sorry if I'm a bit slow here but would appreciate the help from the

knowledgeable people in this group so as to understand the process because I've

always thought going carbohydrate and sugar free would be a good thing.

> > >Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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