Re: Re: Dietary help, Autism and diabetes

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Thanks Margaret and Oz,I was alarmed when I first read the article but now I'm just beginning to understand the different types of carbohydrates and found a good explanation on the SCD home page. It seems even on that diet one is still consuming enough carbs in foods like fruit and veg, they just aren't the carbs that first spring to mind like potatoes. Hope I'm now thinking along the right lines.Yes have read about the ketogenic diet Margaret and was reading articles on that too. This whole thought process started after

discussing the health benefits of HCT oil. That led me to look at article about reducing the carbs to use ketones and then I came across the article about the link between ketones and diabetes when googling.Oz, do I understand that last part correctly, that you don't recommend anything other then the low GI diet? I see that you have lots of experience in researching diabetes and it's good to hear your opinion. I'm just learning here and I really appreciate your replies. I must google more.Thanks, To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Dietary help, Autism and diabetes

Ketogenic diet is also a treatment for seizures - one limits carbs and proteins in diet to force the body to use fat for energy. As Oz says, the residual of fat metabolism shows in the urine as ketone bodies. When anticonvulsants were failing here in the 90s, we tried this diet. It works! Our limits for carbs were 10gm/day; all other calories came from fat. Inducing diabetes/pancreatic failure did not happen- from the looks of poo here pancreatic function was already more than a bit compromised. Liver and kidney tests remained normal. It is difficult!! and family was unwilling to help much w it. While seizures were well controlled, it had negatives that I know now were related to my lack of nutritional knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Ketogenic-Diet/-Freeman/e/9781932603187

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1940242/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/

http://www.charliefoundation.org/ some comparisons here @http://www.charliefoundation.org/comparison-chart/content/faq/comparison-chart

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> Hi ,

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> I am a scientist that worked on diabetes for the past 8 years-it's very complex and I will try to keep it simple...

> Diabetes is a very complex disease. There are major causes: genetics (leading cause to Type I) and being overweight/obese (leading to Type II)

> All problems start the body's inability to use the sugar produced from digestion of food in your stomach.

> There is no such thing as going sugar free (your, mine and everybody else's brains work with sugar only).

> If you don't ingest enough "complex" carbohydrates (from pulses, wholemeal pasta.bread) your liver will produce enough to keep one alive for some time.

> In extreme cases, when people go on strict diets, their pancreas and livers go under a lot of stress and they can become diabetic permanently.

> Now, as for ketones, this is a simple urine test that checks levels of ketones produced by the body when there is too much sugar in the blood

> and the body can't cope any longer with this (full blown diabetes).

> As you guessed there are different stages of the disease for type II but sadly Type I onset is quick and often not diagnosed-if only GPs would spend 5p on a urine strip!

> Rather than going sugar-free, I would say it would be best for children and people on the ASD spectrum and not to adopt a low GI diet, the only one

> recognised by the medical establishment.

> I hope this helps a bit but if you or anybody else on the forum wants to know more, please do get in touch!

> Oz

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> >To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

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> >Subject: Dietary help, Autism and diabetes

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> >Came across a Swedish article (have pressed the translate button so hopefully it comes up in English) http://www.1177.se/Vastra-Gotaland/Fakta-och-rad/Sjukdomar/Diabetes-typ-1/?ar=True

> >Am I understanding right that by going carbohydrate and sugar free could cause diabetes because of excess ketones?

> >Sorry if I'm a bit slow here but would appreciate the help from the knowledgeable people in this group so as to understand the process because I've always thought going carbohydrate and sugar free would be a good thing.

> >Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Margaret and Oz,I was alarmed when I first read the article but now I'm just beginning to understand the different types of carbohydrates and found a good explanation on the SCD home page. It seems even on that diet one is still consuming enough carbs in foods like fruit and veg, they just aren't the carbs that first spring to mind like potatoes. Hope I'm now thinking along the right lines.Yes have read about the ketogenic diet Margaret and was reading articles on that too. This whole thought process started after

discussing the health benefits of HCT oil. That led me to look at article about reducing the carbs to use ketones and then I came across the article about the link between ketones and diabetes when googling.Oz, do I understand that last part correctly, that you don't recommend anything other then the low GI diet? I see that you have lots of experience in researching diabetes and it's good to hear your opinion. I'm just learning here and I really appreciate your replies. I must google more.Thanks, To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Dietary help, Autism and diabetes

Ketogenic diet is also a treatment for seizures - one limits carbs and proteins in diet to force the body to use fat for energy. As Oz says, the residual of fat metabolism shows in the urine as ketone bodies. When anticonvulsants were failing here in the 90s, we tried this diet. It works! Our limits for carbs were 10gm/day; all other calories came from fat. Inducing diabetes/pancreatic failure did not happen- from the looks of poo here pancreatic function was already more than a bit compromised. Liver and kidney tests remained normal. It is difficult!! and family was unwilling to help much w it. While seizures were well controlled, it had negatives that I know now were related to my lack of nutritional knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Ketogenic-Diet/-Freeman/e/9781932603187

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1940242/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/

http://www.charliefoundation.org/ some comparisons here @http://www.charliefoundation.org/comparison-chart/content/faq/comparison-chart

>

> Hi ,

>

> I am a scientist that worked on diabetes for the past 8 years-it's very complex and I will try to keep it simple...

> Diabetes is a very complex disease. There are major causes: genetics (leading cause to Type I) and being overweight/obese (leading to Type II)

> All problems start the body's inability to use the sugar produced from digestion of food in your stomach.

> There is no such thing as going sugar free (your, mine and everybody else's brains work with sugar only).

> If you don't ingest enough "complex" carbohydrates (from pulses, wholemeal pasta.bread) your liver will produce enough to keep one alive for some time.

> In extreme cases, when people go on strict diets, their pancreas and livers go under a lot of stress and they can become diabetic permanently.

> Now, as for ketones, this is a simple urine test that checks levels of ketones produced by the body when there is too much sugar in the blood

> and the body can't cope any longer with this (full blown diabetes).

> As you guessed there are different stages of the disease for type II but sadly Type I onset is quick and often not diagnosed-if only GPs would spend 5p on a urine strip!

> Rather than going sugar-free, I would say it would be best for children and people on the ASD spectrum and not to adopt a low GI diet, the only one

> recognised by the medical establishment.

> I hope this helps a bit but if you or anybody else on the forum wants to know more, please do get in touch!

> Oz

>

>

>

> >________________________________

> >

> >To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> >Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012, 11:41

> >Subject: Dietary help, Autism and diabetes

> >

> >

> >Â

> >Came across a Swedish article (have pressed the translate button so hopefully it comes up in English) http://www.1177.se/Vastra-Gotaland/Fakta-och-rad/Sjukdomar/Diabetes-typ-1/?ar=True

> >Am I understanding right that by going carbohydrate and sugar free could cause diabetes because of excess ketones?

> >Sorry if I'm a bit slow here but would appreciate the help from the knowledgeable people in this group so as to understand the process because I've always thought going carbohydrate and sugar free would be a good thing.

> >Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info Oz. And , thank you too for your reply and the links.Much appreciated, x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Monday, January 16,

2012 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Dietary help, Autism and diabetes

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Firstly I will explain where I am coming from in terms of low GI diet.

People become pre-diabetic before becoming fully diabetic.

The best intervention is in the "family history" group in the pre-diabetic stages where lifestyle changes (exercise and diet) can

make a great impact and stop the disease progression without use of any medications!

A low GI diet will keep sugar levels in the normal range without a spike. What causes the pancreas to go into overload mode is the huge spike in sugar after a high GI meal (white bread, pasta, some fruit,cakes etc). This spike will make the pancreas produce more insulin, and as this gets worse with time there is a point where the pancreas can no longer cope and the sugar levels will rise to

"toxic" levels-that's right! The high sugar levels will start killing off cells in the body and that's where the diabetic complications come from (kidneys, eyes, etc...).

In terms of suggesting a low GI diet...that would depend on what needs to be addressed. If a child suffers from epilepsy, and the medications cannot control it, the GI diet does not go far enough to put the body into "starvation" mode to use fat as source of energy (ketogenic diet).

Unfortunately the subject is vast to say the least.

If you need more info on a particular aspect I'd be more than happy to explain and/or point you in the right direction (if I can!).

Hope this helps

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> > Hi ,

> >

> > I am a scientist that worked on diabetes for the past 8 years-it's very complex and I will try to keep it simple...

> > Diabetes is a very complex disease. There are major causes: genetics (leading cause to Type I) and being overweight/obese (leading to Type II)

> > All problems start the body's inability to use the sugar produced from digestion of food in your stomach.

> > There is no such thing as going sugar free (your, mine and everybody else's brains work with sugar only).

> > If you don't ingest enough "complex" carbohydrates (from pulses, wholemeal pasta.bread) your liver will produce enough to keep one alive for some time.

> > In extreme cases, when people go on strict diets, their pancreas and livers go under a lot of stress and they can become diabetic permanently.

> > Now, as for ketones, this is a simple urine test that checks levels of ketones produced by the body when there is too much sugar in the blood

> > and the body can't cope any longer with this (full blown diabetes).

> > As you guessed there are different stages of the disease for type II but sadly Type I onset is quick and often not diagnosed-if only GPs would spend 5p on a urine strip!

> > Rather than going sugar-free, I would say it would be best for children and people on the ASD spectrum and not to adopt a low GI diet, the only one

> > recognised by the medical establishment.

> > I hope this helps a bit but if you or anybody else on the forum wants to know more, please do get in touch!

> > Oz

> >

> >

> >

> > >________________________________

> > > From: <lisastubner@>

> > >To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> > >Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012, 11:41

> > >Subject: Dietary help, Autism and diabetes

> > >

> > >

> > >ÂÂ

> > >Came across a Swedish article (have pressed the translate button so hopefully it comes up in English) http://www.1177.se/Vastra-Gotaland/Fakta-och-rad/Sjukdomar/Diabetes-typ-1/?ar=True

> > >Am I understanding right that by going carbohydrate and sugar free could cause diabetes because of excess ketones?

> > >Sorry if I'm a bit slow here but would appreciate the help from the knowledgeable people in this group so as to understand the process because I've always thought going carbohydrate and sugar free would be a good thing.

> > >Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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