Re: World Records in Beijing's Water Cube

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There's the pool, the water, the lane lines, the ceiling, the gutters, the

suits, the caps, the diet, the training, the goggles... The list of improvements

is endless - it really is. You can't compare swimming performances of 20, even

10 years ago with today's - you just can't.

Mark Spitz, who's famous for being as cocky as they come, was asked by Bob

Costas " If the two of you competed today, do you think with modern training

advantages you would win? " . His response was something like " Well, if the two of

us competed, I'd know what makes tick, and he'd know what makes me tick.

I'd be a great competition. " A very good response from him on the matter, I

thought.

Boris Bachmann

Des Moines, IA

>

> Subject: Re: World Records in Beijing's Water Cube

> To: Supertraining

> Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 8:28 AM

> Phelps " underwater work " as means of

> improving performance, remind me the Fosberry Flop. 

> Obviously, the Fosberry Flop was a much more

> dramatic change in technique that everyone could see, not

> as suttle as Phelps " fifth stroke. "  

>

> The " Faster Pool "  is much like a " Faster

> Tracks " for sprinters. An article that I read years

> ago, went into how making the track harder allowed the

> sprinters to run faster.  It noted that the downside of a

> harder track was the pounding roughed up the distance

> runners. 

>

> Also, in speaking with a swimmer once, he commented that

> the temperature of the pool plays a role in swimming. Much

> like " Goldielocks and the Three Bears, " the

> temperature has to be just right.

>

> While the " Fast Pool " may be the primary

> contributing factor in better swim times.  I suspect that

> it more likely the synergist effect of the " Fast

> Pool, " improving swimming techniques, the high tech

> Speedo suits, etc.

>

> Kenny Croxdale

> Orange, CA

>

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>

> World Records in Beijing's

> Water Cube

>

> Members may be interested in:

>

>

http://www.smh.com.au/news/swimming/get-set-for-another-record--the-world-record\

-for-world-records/2008/08/13/1218307007882.html

>

> Get set for another record - the world record for world

> records

> Cowley | August 14, 2008

>

> IS it the fast pool, the fast swimsui

> ts or the fast swimmers? Why are

> so many records are being broken in Beijing's Water

> Cube?

>

> In just five days of competition there have been 16 world

> records in

> the pool. In Athens four years ago, there were eight world

> marks set

> in the entire program and five of those came in relays.

>

> Obviously, the new high-tech Speedo LZR Racer suits, which

> have been

> worn in more than 60 world record performances since their

> release in

> February, are playing a role. But how big a part?

>

> " I think they are an easy thing to point at, "

> Australian coach Alan

> said. " It's something that you see and

> it's different, so

> you point at it and say that's the reason. It might be

> the reason

> once but it's not the reason all the time, and I think

> we just

> continue to take away from the performance of all these

> guys.

>

> " Coaches are very observant people all around the

> world and the big

> thing they saw in Melbourne [at the world titles] was

> []

> Phelps's underwater work, and obviously he's a

> leader in that and

> that's been so dominant in a lot of coaches' minds

> since then. We

> call it the fifth stroke now.

>

> " I think we've probably got some of the greatest

> coaches coaching at

> the moment, innovative coaches who keep looking for the

> edge. These

> guys keep lifting the bar all the time and everyone keeps

> needing to

> follow. It's not just one thing but the bar will

> continue to be

> lifted, and while that continues to happen, the sport will

> continue

> getting faster. " =0

> A

> is correct, sometimes the suit debate can

> overshadow amazing

> performances, but there are also other factors, such as the

> " fast

> pool " . Yes, they do exist, and the one in the Cube is

> lightning quick.

>

> This pool is deep - three metres - a metre deeper than

> usual. This

> means there is less resistance and turbulence off the

> bottom for the

> swimmers.

>

> It's also wider, with one empty lane either side, which

> means any

> waves can be dissipated into those lanes, then into the

> gutter, which

> is a simple overflow system. That means the water runs into

> the

> drains and away, rather than bouncing off a raised gutter

> and back

> into the pool as waves.

>

> Then there are the anti-wave lane ropes, designed so that

> swimmers

> don't get any wash from their opponents' in other

> lanes, meaning they

> can swim in calm water. In the days before such ropes,

> swimmers

> sometimes had to deal with surf-like conditions.

>

> " I think the pools are very important, the lane ropes,

> the overflow

> gutters … all make a big difference, "

> said. " The times are

> still coming down because the competition is becoming so

> much

> greater. You can't just put you're finger on one

> thing. "

>

> Whatever the reason, the sport is moving faster than it

> ever has.

> There have been 45 long-course world records set so far

> this year. At

> this rate we will pass the record for long course world

> records, set

> in 1976 when 61 were set - the era of steroid-powered East

> German

> swimmers.

>

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[Guest guest]

As a powerlifter I guess I would say this -

Perhaps swimming needs a RAW division:)

Regards

Young

London UK

--- CoachJ1@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 8/17/2008 11:19:23 A.M. Central

> America Standard ,

> KennyCrox@... writes:

>

> { Phelps " underwater work " as means of

> improving performance,

> Phelps " underwater work " as means of improving

> performance,<WBR>remind methe

> Fosberry Flop. Obviously, the FosberryFlop was a

> muchmore dramaticchange in..}

>

> *****

> Good point! And the flop itself was also a product

> of the changing

> technology (foam landing pits). Dick certainly

> didn't envision landing 'back first'

> in sawdust.

>

> Ken Jakalski

> Lisle High School

> Lisle, IL USA

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

As a powerlifter I guess I would say this -

Perhaps swimming needs a RAW division:)

Regards

Young

London UK

--- CoachJ1@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 8/17/2008 11:19:23 A.M. Central

> America Standard ,

> KennyCrox@... writes:

>

> { Phelps " underwater work " as means of

> improving performance,

> Phelps " underwater work " as means of improving

> performance,<WBR>remind methe

> Fosberry Flop. Obviously, the FosberryFlop was a

> muchmore dramaticchange in..}

>

> *****

> Good point! And the flop itself was also a product

> of the changing

> technology (foam landing pits). Dick certainly

> didn't envision landing 'back first'

> in sawdust.

>

> Ken Jakalski

> Lisle High School

> Lisle, IL USA

>

>

>

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