Re: Any thoughts on this UK paper about mercury levels in urine?

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After the authors correct the data 43 ways so it bears no real realtionship to

the original measurements, they find the correlation is not statistically

'proven beyond a reasonable doubt' and falsely proclaim it proven false as is

the common medical approach with things they don't like.

Actually if you look at the data, one thing is clear. The autistic chidlren

have the highest mercury excretion, and thus it is more likely than not they

actually do have more mercury.

Normal people consider 'more likely than not' to be pretty significant in this

kind of situation.

It would be even more interesting if they'd bothered to get a control group they

didn't hvae to 'correct' results for and could just compare, apples to apples.

But of course that might lead to really upsetting conclusions - like the correct

one that doctors poison babies for a living.

Andy

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> I'm not good at reading the diagrams. Apparently the ASD children and the

special school children had more mercury in their urine. I'mnotsure about the

classification of the children ie which group they were assigned to. Eg ASD

children might also be in special school.

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> One group of children was much older than the others (special school) and

would have been affected by circulating pubertal hormones, I think.Also any

child in a special school, even if not diagnosed with an ASD, may have a

biological problem that might include problems with heavy metals.

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> Also - can you assume anything about the effect of thiomersal in a baby when

you are only measuring their urinary mercury excretion once they are 8 -12 years

of age?

> Margaret

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Andy, am misunderstanding something here, I thought asd children had little merc. excretion in urine and instead retained it in brain and other organ tissue? My dd shows a miniscule amount of merc. excretion in her toxic elements urine tests yet hair test shows derangement (she has had standard exposure to Hg. from vax several years ago). JanetTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: AndyCutler@...Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:41:39 +0000Subject: Re: Any thoughts on this UK paper about mercury levels in urine?

After the authors correct the data 43 ways so it bears no real realtionship to the original measurements, they find the correlation is not statistically 'proven beyond a reasonable doubt' and falsely proclaim it proven false as is the common medical approach with things they don't like.

Actually if you look at the data, one thing is clear. The autistic chidlren have the highest mercury excretion, and thus it is more likely than not they actually do have more mercury.

Normal people consider 'more likely than not' to be pretty significant in this kind of situation.

It would be even more interesting if they'd bothered to get a control group they didn't hvae to 'correct' results for and could just compare, apples to apples. But of course that might lead to really upsetting conclusions - like the correct one that doctors poison babies for a living.

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

>

> http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0029547#pone-0029547-g001

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> I'm not good at reading the diagrams. Apparently the ASD children and the special school children had more mercury in their urine. I'mnotsure about the classification of the children ie which group they were assigned to. Eg ASD children might also be in special school.

>

> One group of children was much older than the others (special school) and would have been affected by circulating pubertal hormones, I think.Also any child in a special school, even if not diagnosed with an ASD, may have a biological problem that might include problems with heavy metals.

>

> Also - can you assume anything about the effect of thiomersal in a baby when you are only measuring their urinary mercury excretion once they are 8 -12 years of age?

> Margaret

>

[Guest guest]

Andy, am misunderstanding something here, I thought asd children had little merc. excretion in urine and instead retained it in brain and other organ tissue? My dd shows a miniscule amount of merc. excretion in her toxic elements urine tests yet hair test shows derangement (she has had standard exposure to Hg. from vax several years ago). JanetTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: AndyCutler@...Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:41:39 +0000Subject: Re: Any thoughts on this UK paper about mercury levels in urine?

After the authors correct the data 43 ways so it bears no real realtionship to the original measurements, they find the correlation is not statistically 'proven beyond a reasonable doubt' and falsely proclaim it proven false as is the common medical approach with things they don't like.

Actually if you look at the data, one thing is clear. The autistic chidlren have the highest mercury excretion, and thus it is more likely than not they actually do have more mercury.

Normal people consider 'more likely than not' to be pretty significant in this kind of situation.

It would be even more interesting if they'd bothered to get a control group they didn't hvae to 'correct' results for and could just compare, apples to apples. But of course that might lead to really upsetting conclusions - like the correct one that doctors poison babies for a living.

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

>

> http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0029547#pone-0029547-g001

>

> I'm not good at reading the diagrams. Apparently the ASD children and the special school children had more mercury in their urine. I'mnotsure about the classification of the children ie which group they were assigned to. Eg ASD children might also be in special school.

>

> One group of children was much older than the others (special school) and would have been affected by circulating pubertal hormones, I think.Also any child in a special school, even if not diagnosed with an ASD, may have a biological problem that might include problems with heavy metals.

>

> Also - can you assume anything about the effect of thiomersal in a baby when you are only measuring their urinary mercury excretion once they are 8 -12 years of age?

> Margaret

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