Re: Any thoughts on this UK paper about mercury levels in urine?

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Prior to starting to correct meythlation Charlies hair test and urine toxic metal showed hardly any metals.  Dr G said his hair test itself indicated a problem with detoxification as we all live in a toxic world and the test should show some.

Since starting Yasko and improving detoxification through starting to correct methylation the metals are pouring out.  Seeing them on fecial toxic metals tests, hair test and urine toxic metals.

Charlie is only just 4 - he did not have MMR but did have 1st and 2nd set of triple vaccs (I'd become wiser by 3rd and chose not to).  I don't believe these vaccs contained mercury.

 I did 5 cycles of IVF to have Charlie (LOTS of drugs and injections)  - always wonder if this is where his toxic load came from and then with changes to SNP's responsible for detoxification he couldn't get rid.

Alison R 

 

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0029547#pone-0029547-g001

I'm not good at reading the diagrams. Apparently the ASD children and the special school children had more mercury in their urine. I'mnotsure about the classification of the children ie which group they were assigned to. Eg ASD children might also be in special school.

One group of children was much older than the others (special school) and would have been affected by circulating pubertal hormones, I think.Also any child in a special school, even if not diagnosed with an ASD, may have a biological problem that might include problems with heavy metals.

Also - can you assume anything about the effect of thiomersal in a baby when you are only measuring their urinary mercury excretion once they are 8 -12 years of age?

Margaret

[Guest guest]

Prior to starting to correct meythlation Charlies hair test and urine toxic metal showed hardly any metals.  Dr G said his hair test itself indicated a problem with detoxification as we all live in a toxic world and the test should show some.

Since starting Yasko and improving detoxification through starting to correct methylation the metals are pouring out.  Seeing them on fecial toxic metals tests, hair test and urine toxic metals.

Charlie is only just 4 - he did not have MMR but did have 1st and 2nd set of triple vaccs (I'd become wiser by 3rd and chose not to).  I don't believe these vaccs contained mercury.

 I did 5 cycles of IVF to have Charlie (LOTS of drugs and injections)  - always wonder if this is where his toxic load came from and then with changes to SNP's responsible for detoxification he couldn't get rid.

Alison R 

 

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0029547#pone-0029547-g001

I'm not good at reading the diagrams. Apparently the ASD children and the special school children had more mercury in their urine. I'mnotsure about the classification of the children ie which group they were assigned to. Eg ASD children might also be in special school.

One group of children was much older than the others (special school) and would have been affected by circulating pubertal hormones, I think.Also any child in a special school, even if not diagnosed with an ASD, may have a biological problem that might include problems with heavy metals.

Also - can you assume anything about the effect of thiomersal in a baby when you are only measuring their urinary mercury excretion once they are 8 -12 years of age?

Margaret

[Guest guest]

Prior to starting to correct meythlation Charlies hair test and urine toxic metal showed hardly any metals.  Dr G said his hair test itself indicated a problem with detoxification as we all live in a toxic world and the test should show some.

Since starting Yasko and improving detoxification through starting to correct methylation the metals are pouring out.  Seeing them on fecial toxic metals tests, hair test and urine toxic metals.

Charlie is only just 4 - he did not have MMR but did have 1st and 2nd set of triple vaccs (I'd become wiser by 3rd and chose not to).  I don't believe these vaccs contained mercury.

 I did 5 cycles of IVF to have Charlie (LOTS of drugs and injections)  - always wonder if this is where his toxic load came from and then with changes to SNP's responsible for detoxification he couldn't get rid.

Alison R 

 

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0029547#pone-0029547-g001

I'm not good at reading the diagrams. Apparently the ASD children and the special school children had more mercury in their urine. I'mnotsure about the classification of the children ie which group they were assigned to. Eg ASD children might also be in special school.

One group of children was much older than the others (special school) and would have been affected by circulating pubertal hormones, I think.Also any child in a special school, even if not diagnosed with an ASD, may have a biological problem that might include problems with heavy metals.

Also - can you assume anything about the effect of thiomersal in a baby when you are only measuring their urinary mercury excretion once they are 8 -12 years of age?

Margaret

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After the authors correct the data 43 ways so it bears no real realtionship to

the original measurements, they find the correlation is not statistically

'proven beyond a reasonable doubt' and falsely proclaim it proven false as is

the common medical approach with things they don't like.

Actually if you look at the data, one thing is clear. The autistic chidlren

have the highest mercury excretion, and thus it is more likely than not they

actually do have more mercury.

Normal people consider 'more likely than not' to be pretty significant in this

kind of situation.

It would be even more interesting if they'd bothered to get a control group they

didn't hvae to 'correct' results for and could just compare, apples to apples.

But of course that might lead to really upsetting conclusions - like the correct

one that doctors poison babies for a living.

Andy

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http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0029547#pone-\

0029547-g001

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> I'm not good at reading the diagrams. Apparently the ASD children and the

special school children had more mercury in their urine. I'mnotsure about the

classification of the children ie which group they were assigned to. Eg ASD

children might also be in special school.

>

> One group of children was much older than the others (special school) and

would have been affected by circulating pubertal hormones, I think.Also any

child in a special school, even if not diagnosed with an ASD, may have a

biological problem that might include problems with heavy metals.

>

> Also - can you assume anything about the effect of thiomersal in a baby when

you are only measuring their urinary mercury excretion once they are 8 -12 years

of age?

> Margaret

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[Guest guest]

I also noticed the difference between each of 4 groups in terms of NO FILLINGS.ASD:36Special school: 22Mainstream school: 72Siblings: 24That shows that the mainstream children had more than 200% of presumably non-caried teeth as compared to each of the groups: ASD, special school and sibling. I have a paper from a dental journal showing a link between caries and thyroid abnormalities. That area has not been fully explored as it relates to autism. To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Monday, 20 February 2012, 8:41 Subject: Re: Any thoughts on this UK paper about mercury levels in urine?

After the authors correct the data 43 ways so it bears no real realtionship to the original measurements, they find the correlation is not statistically 'proven beyond a reasonable doubt' and falsely proclaim it proven false as is the common medical approach with things they don't like.

Actually if you look at the data, one thing is clear. The autistic chidlren have the highest mercury excretion, and thus it is more likely than not they actually do have more mercury.

Normal people consider 'more likely than not' to be pretty significant in this kind of situation.

It would be even more interesting if they'd bothered to get a control group they didn't hvae to 'correct' results for and could just compare, apples to apples. But of course that might lead to really upsetting conclusions - like the correct one that doctors poison babies for a living.

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

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> http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0029547#pone-0029547-g001

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> I'm not good at reading the diagrams. Apparently the ASD children and the special school children had more mercury in their urine. I'mnotsure about the classification of the children ie which group they were assigned to. Eg ASD children might also be in special school.

>

> One group of children was much older than the others (special school) and would have been affected by circulating pubertal hormones, I think.Also any child in a special school, even if not diagnosed with an ASD, may have a biological problem that might include problems with heavy metals.

>

> Also - can you assume anything about the effect of thiomersal in a baby when you are only measuring their urinary mercury excretion once they are 8 -12 years of age?

> Margaret

>

[Guest guest]

I also noticed the difference between each of 4 groups in terms of NO FILLINGS.ASD:36Special school: 22Mainstream school: 72Siblings: 24That shows that the mainstream children had more than 200% of presumably non-caried teeth as compared to each of the groups: ASD, special school and sibling. I have a paper from a dental journal showing a link between caries and thyroid abnormalities. That area has not been fully explored as it relates to autism. To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Monday, 20 February 2012, 8:41 Subject: Re: Any thoughts on this UK paper about mercury levels in urine?

After the authors correct the data 43 ways so it bears no real realtionship to the original measurements, they find the correlation is not statistically 'proven beyond a reasonable doubt' and falsely proclaim it proven false as is the common medical approach with things they don't like.

Actually if you look at the data, one thing is clear. The autistic chidlren have the highest mercury excretion, and thus it is more likely than not they actually do have more mercury.

Normal people consider 'more likely than not' to be pretty significant in this kind of situation.

It would be even more interesting if they'd bothered to get a control group they didn't hvae to 'correct' results for and could just compare, apples to apples. But of course that might lead to really upsetting conclusions - like the correct one that doctors poison babies for a living.

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

>

> http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0029547#pone-0029547-g001

>

> I'm not good at reading the diagrams. Apparently the ASD children and the special school children had more mercury in their urine. I'mnotsure about the classification of the children ie which group they were assigned to. Eg ASD children might also be in special school.

>

> One group of children was much older than the others (special school) and would have been affected by circulating pubertal hormones, I think.Also any child in a special school, even if not diagnosed with an ASD, may have a biological problem that might include problems with heavy metals.

>

> Also - can you assume anything about the effect of thiomersal in a baby when you are only measuring their urinary mercury excretion once they are 8 -12 years of age?

> Margaret

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