Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Yeah, sounds familiar. Beth has never liked touch much....except that of her friends and boyfriend. :/ She has trouble with anything involving 'emotion' whether it be happy, sad, mad, etc. She's 15 now. I've given up on hearing her say those words....but once in a while she shows affection by the way she interacts with me...I've got to appreciate anything I can. She's a difficult person to live with, believe me. Very egocentric.... maralee Re: Hello, I've just joined this list. Need help. Hi Geraldine,Welcome to the list and welcome to the world of confusing diagnosis'. I, like you, would have some serious questions about an AS diagnosis due to the conditions your daughter endured the first years of her life. I, too, am an adoptive parent and I know of many parents who have adopted from Russia. Russia is notorious for their children with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome/Effect and Attachment Disorders. Both of these conditions can be confused with AS, and/or can be in addition to AS. I have four children on the spectrum and two of them have FAS/E. What I have learned over the years is that the actual diagnosis isn't so much the issue as the characteristics and how they are individually addressed. I am seeing so much cross-over between AS disorders and BP disoder and FAS/E that I think a lot of times no one will ever really know what caused these behaviors in children who have been adopted. In our case, the birthmother of our two with both FAS/E and AS was known to the system as a severe alcoholic and she appeared to have FAS/E herself. Her parents, too, were alcoholics.If you'd like I can give you some good sites to research FAS/E and Attachment Disorder. I belong to some really goo groups that deal with this every day. One woman I know adopted all three of her daughters from Russia and they had all had horrible beginnings in an orphanage. They all have FAS and Attachment Disorder. I can put you in touch with her.Your daughter sounds SO SIMILAR to my ten year old son! He is totally obsessed with Egypt and mummies and dead bodies (I don't know what a "bog person" is, but it sounds like something that would definitely intrigue him). He also says and does outrageous things. He is currently attending a prvaie therapeutic school, paid for by the district, because they could not longer handle him in public school.Anyway, let me know if I can help!na Geraldine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Yeah, sounds familiar. Beth has never liked touch much....except that of her friends and boyfriend. :/ She has trouble with anything involving 'emotion' whether it be happy, sad, mad, etc. She's 15 now. I've given up on hearing her say those words....but once in a while she shows affection by the way she interacts with me...I've got to appreciate anything I can. She's a difficult person to live with, believe me. Very egocentric.... maralee Re: Hello, I've just joined this list. Need help. Hi Geraldine,Welcome to the list and welcome to the world of confusing diagnosis'. I, like you, would have some serious questions about an AS diagnosis due to the conditions your daughter endured the first years of her life. I, too, am an adoptive parent and I know of many parents who have adopted from Russia. Russia is notorious for their children with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome/Effect and Attachment Disorders. Both of these conditions can be confused with AS, and/or can be in addition to AS. I have four children on the spectrum and two of them have FAS/E. What I have learned over the years is that the actual diagnosis isn't so much the issue as the characteristics and how they are individually addressed. I am seeing so much cross-over between AS disorders and BP disoder and FAS/E that I think a lot of times no one will ever really know what caused these behaviors in children who have been adopted. In our case, the birthmother of our two with both FAS/E and AS was known to the system as a severe alcoholic and she appeared to have FAS/E herself. Her parents, too, were alcoholics.If you'd like I can give you some good sites to research FAS/E and Attachment Disorder. I belong to some really goo groups that deal with this every day. One woman I know adopted all three of her daughters from Russia and they had all had horrible beginnings in an orphanage. They all have FAS and Attachment Disorder. I can put you in touch with her.Your daughter sounds SO SIMILAR to my ten year old son! He is totally obsessed with Egypt and mummies and dead bodies (I don't know what a "bog person" is, but it sounds like something that would definitely intrigue him). He also says and does outrageous things. He is currently attending a prvaie therapeutic school, paid for by the district, because they could not longer handle him in public school.Anyway, let me know if I can help!na Geraldine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Yeah, sounds familiar. Beth has never liked touch much....except that of her friends and boyfriend. :/ She has trouble with anything involving 'emotion' whether it be happy, sad, mad, etc. She's 15 now. I've given up on hearing her say those words....but once in a while she shows affection by the way she interacts with me...I've got to appreciate anything I can. She's a difficult person to live with, believe me. Very egocentric.... maralee Re: Hello, I've just joined this list. Need help. Hi Geraldine,Welcome to the list and welcome to the world of confusing diagnosis'. I, like you, would have some serious questions about an AS diagnosis due to the conditions your daughter endured the first years of her life. I, too, am an adoptive parent and I know of many parents who have adopted from Russia. Russia is notorious for their children with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome/Effect and Attachment Disorders. Both of these conditions can be confused with AS, and/or can be in addition to AS. I have four children on the spectrum and two of them have FAS/E. What I have learned over the years is that the actual diagnosis isn't so much the issue as the characteristics and how they are individually addressed. I am seeing so much cross-over between AS disorders and BP disoder and FAS/E that I think a lot of times no one will ever really know what caused these behaviors in children who have been adopted. In our case, the birthmother of our two with both FAS/E and AS was known to the system as a severe alcoholic and she appeared to have FAS/E herself. Her parents, too, were alcoholics.If you'd like I can give you some good sites to research FAS/E and Attachment Disorder. I belong to some really goo groups that deal with this every day. One woman I know adopted all three of her daughters from Russia and they had all had horrible beginnings in an orphanage. They all have FAS and Attachment Disorder. I can put you in touch with her.Your daughter sounds SO SIMILAR to my ten year old son! He is totally obsessed with Egypt and mummies and dead bodies (I don't know what a "bog person" is, but it sounds like something that would definitely intrigue him). He also says and does outrageous things. He is currently attending a prvaie therapeutic school, paid for by the district, because they could not longer handle him in public school.Anyway, let me know if I can help!na Geraldine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Something that did me a lot of good was I used to stay with my grandma a lot, and every single time I wanted anything, food or whatever, she'd make me say 'please' and when I got it she'd make me say 'thank you'. At first she'd have to tell me what to say and have me repeat it, then later she'd ask me " now what do you say? " and I'd remember, and finally it just turned into habit for me. > My son is 9 now and I could not leave him until he was about 8 years old without him acting like a small child. After I left, everyone said that he was fine while I was gone. Now, I can leave him without one complaint. > > He also does not like to say please and thank you to anyone other than my husband and I and he doesn't want to hear I love you or get hugs from someone. About a month ago, the Dr. put him on Risperdol at night before bed and right after going on it he started to allow me to hug him and he would invent ways to hug me. He still doesn't like the words I love you though. I think it is the way it makes him feel inside, the emotions involved or something. > He also had touching issues, he said that it used to feel like it burnt his skin when someone touched him. Now I can touch him without him jumping at all. > He is also adopted and his mother did crack, alcohol and smoked while he was in the womb, up until 3 months before he was born. There has to be something too it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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