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I don't think you understood how most people felt about each situation. The Bill Mahr situation was a little different from ER . Perhaps you have to feel a personal connection to each issue. In my own experience, I was more offended with Politically Incorrect than with ER. I have a sister with mental retardation as well as a child with autism. Regarding Mr. Mahr's comments, I was shocked that he could display such a callous attitude towards those people with mental disabilities. On the other hand, his show as well as the attitude disaplyed by ER speaks volumes, in my mind, on the state of society. Aren't we all concerned about our children's future and how they will function in society? If P.I. reflects that opinion, even if it is the opinion of a few, then we need to get to work and strive even harder to spread awareness and educate the public on what our children are capable of achieving.

As to funding for treatments and programs, yes, we do need more help to secure these services for our children. However, if we sit idly by and do nothing while these public figures and immensely popular TV shows put forth such a biased, one-sided point-of-view and ridiculous statements, then WE are the ones who should feel guilty for not speaking up for what is morally and ethically right.

I believe that one person can make a difference, and that society can change from within itself. I am not ashamed to take a stand for what I believe is right.

Vickie N.

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Hello:

I don't think you understood how most people felt about each situation. The Bill Mahr situation was a little different from ER . Perhaps you have to feel a personal connection to each issue. In my own experience, I was more offended with Politically Incorrect than with ER. I have a sister with mental retardation as well as a child with autism. Regarding Mr. Mahr's comments, I was shocked that he could display such a callous attitude towards those people with mental disabilities. On the other hand, his show as well as the attitude disaplyed by ER speaks volumes, in my mind, on the state of society. Aren't we all concerned about our children's future and how they will function in society? If P.I. reflects that opinion, even if it is the opinion of a few, then we need to get to work and strive even harder to spread awareness and educate the public on what our children are capable of achieving.

As to funding for treatments and programs, yes, we do need more help to secure these services for our children. However, if we sit idly by and do nothing while these public figures and immensely popular TV shows put forth such a biased, one-sided point-of-view and ridiculous statements, then WE are the ones who should feel guilty for not speaking up for what is morally and ethically right.

I believe that one person can make a difference, and that society can change from within itself. I am not ashamed to take a stand for what I believe is right.

Vickie N.

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Hello:

I don't think you understood how most people felt about each situation. The Bill Mahr situation was a little different from ER . Perhaps you have to feel a personal connection to each issue. In my own experience, I was more offended with Politically Incorrect than with ER. I have a sister with mental retardation as well as a child with autism. Regarding Mr. Mahr's comments, I was shocked that he could display such a callous attitude towards those people with mental disabilities. On the other hand, his show as well as the attitude disaplyed by ER speaks volumes, in my mind, on the state of society. Aren't we all concerned about our children's future and how they will function in society? If P.I. reflects that opinion, even if it is the opinion of a few, then we need to get to work and strive even harder to spread awareness and educate the public on what our children are capable of achieving.

As to funding for treatments and programs, yes, we do need more help to secure these services for our children. However, if we sit idly by and do nothing while these public figures and immensely popular TV shows put forth such a biased, one-sided point-of-view and ridiculous statements, then WE are the ones who should feel guilty for not speaking up for what is morally and ethically right.

I believe that one person can make a difference, and that society can change from within itself. I am not ashamed to take a stand for what I believe is right.

Vickie N.

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> I just can't help but feel that you may be misdirecting lots of useful

> energy. If people could spend 1/2 of the time they have been using

> bitching at Bill

> Mahr and ER and use that time to ensure their own child has funding

> for a good, comprehensive therapy program, it wouldn't be 1/2 as hard

> for those of us who are working on just such funding.

Hi, ,

I take no offense at your comments!!! :-) I would like to make you aware that

some of us would prefer expending positive energy with our children, rather

than negative energy at the system, whether it be idiot TV personalities or

the red-tape-bound bureaucracy of the school system! In our case, we decided

to homeschool our daughter with autism (as well as our NT son) and work on

creating autism awareness in a community of people not usually targetted

(homeschoolers).

We have moved three times since 1995, when we made the decision to homeschool

our children, so it's not simply a mature of getting the ball rolling for

funding and then being able to back off when word gets around that we mean

business. Every time we moved we would have fought long and hard (except

maybe in Connecticut which had a good reputation for services). I met a

paraprofessional who specializes in autistic children the other day and she

told me that very few people in our very rural county are trained to teach

autistic children. So, do I let her languish in school with people who do not

know what social stories, sensory integration, ABA, gf/cf diets, etc. are,

while I fight to get funding for them to get trained (however long that

takes)?

Some research suggests children with autism need 1:1 teaching in a quiet,

distraction free setting. Pamela gets that at home. In our case, we know how

to apply many educational techniques for teaching autism and, if we are not

the greatest at everything, we are more knowledgeable than a teacher who has

no training on autism (either professionally or on their own). We are very

active in our homeschool support group (the kids take karate, go swimming

weekly, rehearse for a musical, etc.) in addition to other activities like

4-H and church. So, Pamela is getting the 1:1 attention she needs when it's

time to learn AND she's fully included with her peers for non-academic

classes.

Homeschooling is not for everyone, but it's not simply a cop-out. I have done

autism awareness training and learning disabilities workshops with every

support group I've been in. Because I can reach both parent and child at

homeschooling workshops, I have a greater chance to touch the hearts of

children with my message as well as the source of their views (their

parents). When people have concerns about their children's learning, they

usually come to me and I have been able to identify 3 (possibly 4) children

with sensory integration issues. I have been able to help those whose

learning styles are unconventional (because my NT son has an unconventional

learning style). The bottomline for me is that the drain of being with my

kids 24/7 outweighs the drain of trying to work within the system. My kids

are sweeter and much more fun, especially when they say the darnedest things!

:-)

We are all entitled to have our own views and thank you for sharing yours

! :-)

--

Tammy G.

" A parent's love perceives no limitations. "

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> I just can't help but feel that you may be misdirecting lots of useful

> energy. If people could spend 1/2 of the time they have been using

> bitching at Bill

> Mahr and ER and use that time to ensure their own child has funding

> for a good, comprehensive therapy program, it wouldn't be 1/2 as hard

> for those of us who are working on just such funding.

Hi, ,

I take no offense at your comments!!! :-) I would like to make you aware that

some of us would prefer expending positive energy with our children, rather

than negative energy at the system, whether it be idiot TV personalities or

the red-tape-bound bureaucracy of the school system! In our case, we decided

to homeschool our daughter with autism (as well as our NT son) and work on

creating autism awareness in a community of people not usually targetted

(homeschoolers).

We have moved three times since 1995, when we made the decision to homeschool

our children, so it's not simply a mature of getting the ball rolling for

funding and then being able to back off when word gets around that we mean

business. Every time we moved we would have fought long and hard (except

maybe in Connecticut which had a good reputation for services). I met a

paraprofessional who specializes in autistic children the other day and she

told me that very few people in our very rural county are trained to teach

autistic children. So, do I let her languish in school with people who do not

know what social stories, sensory integration, ABA, gf/cf diets, etc. are,

while I fight to get funding for them to get trained (however long that

takes)?

Some research suggests children with autism need 1:1 teaching in a quiet,

distraction free setting. Pamela gets that at home. In our case, we know how

to apply many educational techniques for teaching autism and, if we are not

the greatest at everything, we are more knowledgeable than a teacher who has

no training on autism (either professionally or on their own). We are very

active in our homeschool support group (the kids take karate, go swimming

weekly, rehearse for a musical, etc.) in addition to other activities like

4-H and church. So, Pamela is getting the 1:1 attention she needs when it's

time to learn AND she's fully included with her peers for non-academic

classes.

Homeschooling is not for everyone, but it's not simply a cop-out. I have done

autism awareness training and learning disabilities workshops with every

support group I've been in. Because I can reach both parent and child at

homeschooling workshops, I have a greater chance to touch the hearts of

children with my message as well as the source of their views (their

parents). When people have concerns about their children's learning, they

usually come to me and I have been able to identify 3 (possibly 4) children

with sensory integration issues. I have been able to help those whose

learning styles are unconventional (because my NT son has an unconventional

learning style). The bottomline for me is that the drain of being with my

kids 24/7 outweighs the drain of trying to work within the system. My kids

are sweeter and much more fun, especially when they say the darnedest things!

:-)

We are all entitled to have our own views and thank you for sharing yours

! :-)

--

Tammy G.

" A parent's love perceives no limitations. "

December narrations are done: http://home.earthlink.net/~tammyglaser798/

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> I just can't help but feel that you may be misdirecting lots of useful

> energy. If people could spend 1/2 of the time they have been using

> bitching at Bill

> Mahr and ER and use that time to ensure their own child has funding

> for a good, comprehensive therapy program, it wouldn't be 1/2 as hard

> for those of us who are working on just such funding.

Hi, ,

I take no offense at your comments!!! :-) I would like to make you aware that

some of us would prefer expending positive energy with our children, rather

than negative energy at the system, whether it be idiot TV personalities or

the red-tape-bound bureaucracy of the school system! In our case, we decided

to homeschool our daughter with autism (as well as our NT son) and work on

creating autism awareness in a community of people not usually targetted

(homeschoolers).

We have moved three times since 1995, when we made the decision to homeschool

our children, so it's not simply a mature of getting the ball rolling for

funding and then being able to back off when word gets around that we mean

business. Every time we moved we would have fought long and hard (except

maybe in Connecticut which had a good reputation for services). I met a

paraprofessional who specializes in autistic children the other day and she

told me that very few people in our very rural county are trained to teach

autistic children. So, do I let her languish in school with people who do not

know what social stories, sensory integration, ABA, gf/cf diets, etc. are,

while I fight to get funding for them to get trained (however long that

takes)?

Some research suggests children with autism need 1:1 teaching in a quiet,

distraction free setting. Pamela gets that at home. In our case, we know how

to apply many educational techniques for teaching autism and, if we are not

the greatest at everything, we are more knowledgeable than a teacher who has

no training on autism (either professionally or on their own). We are very

active in our homeschool support group (the kids take karate, go swimming

weekly, rehearse for a musical, etc.) in addition to other activities like

4-H and church. So, Pamela is getting the 1:1 attention she needs when it's

time to learn AND she's fully included with her peers for non-academic

classes.

Homeschooling is not for everyone, but it's not simply a cop-out. I have done

autism awareness training and learning disabilities workshops with every

support group I've been in. Because I can reach both parent and child at

homeschooling workshops, I have a greater chance to touch the hearts of

children with my message as well as the source of their views (their

parents). When people have concerns about their children's learning, they

usually come to me and I have been able to identify 3 (possibly 4) children

with sensory integration issues. I have been able to help those whose

learning styles are unconventional (because my NT son has an unconventional

learning style). The bottomline for me is that the drain of being with my

kids 24/7 outweighs the drain of trying to work within the system. My kids

are sweeter and much more fun, especially when they say the darnedest things!

:-)

We are all entitled to have our own views and thank you for sharing yours

! :-)

--

Tammy G.

" A parent's love perceives no limitations. "

December narrations are done: http://home.earthlink.net/~tammyglaser798/

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I am new on the list also. I too thought this is a waste of good energy. I

did email NBC with my thoughts on their programs about vaccinations but

that's as much time as I gave to it. I am implementing an extensive ABA

program with my 4 year old along with many other interventions. I only have

so much time to deal with other issues. When my daughter doesn't take so

much of my time, I will be an advocate for all people with autism. But

right now my focus is her. I agree with you.

Dawn

>From: tamer2620@...

>Reply-To: Autism_in_Girls

>To: Autism_in_Girls

>Subject: a sort of bitter " hello.. "

>Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 04:40:41 -0000

>

>I am new to this list and have a daughter, age6, dx autism. While I

>understand the MMR outcry, and I did cite Dr. Wakefield's study when

>I decided not to vaccinate my youngest child, I just can't help but

>feel that you may be misdirecting lots of useful energy. If people

>could spend 1/2 of the time they have been using bitching at Bill

>Mahr and ER and use that time to ensure their own child has funding

>for a good, comprehensive therapy program, it wouldn't be 1/2 as hard

>for those of us who are working on just such funding. I may be alone

>on this list, but I'll gladly stand alone and whatch my daughters

>continuing progress. My apologies to those I've offended.--

>

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My life is one big bitch becuase a bitch got my kids. (sorry if that

offends, just my day). I however have been able to direct their lives in

such a manner that I am able to get full supports, and be an advocate for

vaccine safety at the same time. It empowers me, motivates me and helps me

direct my energies thusly. I do both becuase both without the other is

like a brass and tinkling symbol (faith without hope). I believe in order

to get these children better, be it socially, medically, economically etc,

we must find out what wierd thing happened for us to get here. Just now I

got off the phone with the U of Utah talking to Dr Berger who is researching

the c4b anulle, and it's link to my family. This information is not wasted

information, far from. What it will do is prevent another tradgedy in the

next generation of my NT kids! Who wouldn't want that? ly, that may

mean one big class action suit in order to ascertain the truth (breach of

consent) and or support for their entire lives, and also may mean research

hitherto not ever before seen in the history of mankind. Much motivation

can be had when your found out that you have created an epidemia of children

with autism. For many and the few, I believe that started in utero with

in utero poisining from mom (unknown viral compoenents and allergies and

pesticide residuals) to the full scall regression after vaccinations (which

is more the expression nowadays). I guess their are two camps, and although

I appreciate the same motivation and love we have for our kids, frankly, I

miss the normal child(ren) I had before vaccinations. If you have never met

that child ever, then I also would miss what that child would have been as

well. It's just human nature to do thusly, and I don't feel guilty that I

feel that way. This however does not mean that I don't absolutely adore

who they are, support them, and love them, and realize their constant

struggles. And yes, they have a unique talent and ability to raise me up to

a better person. Sometimes that person is ok to look at in the mirror, and

somedays it isn't. But I am human so sue me? This is where the Godly

design of the world is...we don't always get what we want, but with what we

have, we make the best out of it. God would have that to be so, and I could

not rise up to that challenge if I didn't have that perspective. I also

have the perspective that when God takes them home, he will make all things

perfect and right again. I believe that we shall then see the reasons why

and converse with them face to face, spirit to spirit. The works of God are

made manifest through them, through compassionate service, deference and

love. We wouldn't be able to learn as much as we do if we had not been

given the challenge. I don't so much question the why this happened, I

question how it happened. When I do that, it motivates all the arenas of

the problem, not just the vaccine issue, it is the entire picture, the

quality of life, the quality of care, the quality of schooling, everything.

Kathy

a sort of bitter " hello.. "

>I am new to this list and have a daughter, age6, dx autism. While I

>understand the MMR outcry, and I did cite Dr. Wakefield's study when

>I decided not to vaccinate my youngest child, I just can't help but

>feel that you may be misdirecting lots of useful energy. If people

>could spend 1/2 of the time they have been using bitching at Bill

>Mahr and ER and use that time to ensure their own child has funding

>for a good, comprehensive therapy program, it wouldn't be 1/2 as hard

>for those of us who are working on just such funding. I may be alone

>on this list, but I'll gladly stand alone and whatch my daughters

>continuing progress. My apologies to those I've offended.--

>

>

>

>

>

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My life is one big bitch becuase a bitch got my kids. (sorry if that

offends, just my day). I however have been able to direct their lives in

such a manner that I am able to get full supports, and be an advocate for

vaccine safety at the same time. It empowers me, motivates me and helps me

direct my energies thusly. I do both becuase both without the other is

like a brass and tinkling symbol (faith without hope). I believe in order

to get these children better, be it socially, medically, economically etc,

we must find out what wierd thing happened for us to get here. Just now I

got off the phone with the U of Utah talking to Dr Berger who is researching

the c4b anulle, and it's link to my family. This information is not wasted

information, far from. What it will do is prevent another tradgedy in the

next generation of my NT kids! Who wouldn't want that? ly, that may

mean one big class action suit in order to ascertain the truth (breach of

consent) and or support for their entire lives, and also may mean research

hitherto not ever before seen in the history of mankind. Much motivation

can be had when your found out that you have created an epidemia of children

with autism. For many and the few, I believe that started in utero with

in utero poisining from mom (unknown viral compoenents and allergies and

pesticide residuals) to the full scall regression after vaccinations (which

is more the expression nowadays). I guess their are two camps, and although

I appreciate the same motivation and love we have for our kids, frankly, I

miss the normal child(ren) I had before vaccinations. If you have never met

that child ever, then I also would miss what that child would have been as

well. It's just human nature to do thusly, and I don't feel guilty that I

feel that way. This however does not mean that I don't absolutely adore

who they are, support them, and love them, and realize their constant

struggles. And yes, they have a unique talent and ability to raise me up to

a better person. Sometimes that person is ok to look at in the mirror, and

somedays it isn't. But I am human so sue me? This is where the Godly

design of the world is...we don't always get what we want, but with what we

have, we make the best out of it. God would have that to be so, and I could

not rise up to that challenge if I didn't have that perspective. I also

have the perspective that when God takes them home, he will make all things

perfect and right again. I believe that we shall then see the reasons why

and converse with them face to face, spirit to spirit. The works of God are

made manifest through them, through compassionate service, deference and

love. We wouldn't be able to learn as much as we do if we had not been

given the challenge. I don't so much question the why this happened, I

question how it happened. When I do that, it motivates all the arenas of

the problem, not just the vaccine issue, it is the entire picture, the

quality of life, the quality of care, the quality of schooling, everything.

Kathy

a sort of bitter " hello.. "

>I am new to this list and have a daughter, age6, dx autism. While I

>understand the MMR outcry, and I did cite Dr. Wakefield's study when

>I decided not to vaccinate my youngest child, I just can't help but

>feel that you may be misdirecting lots of useful energy. If people

>could spend 1/2 of the time they have been using bitching at Bill

>Mahr and ER and use that time to ensure their own child has funding

>for a good, comprehensive therapy program, it wouldn't be 1/2 as hard

>for those of us who are working on just such funding. I may be alone

>on this list, but I'll gladly stand alone and whatch my daughters

>continuing progress. My apologies to those I've offended.--

>

>

>

>

>

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I have a 7 year old daughter with autism, and I've been a lurker on this

list for a few months. I congratulate all the parents here for the

information and shared experiences that I see here. I myself spend time

(what's left of it - I work full time) trying to help others with newly

diagnosed children, and keeping an eye out in the politics of all this. That

is where some of my energy goes. I agree with you about the entertainment

industry. It is what it is. PI is tongue and cheek. How many of us all

laugh at a joke about fat people, ethnic differences, religious differences,

etc.

As far as ER is concerned, people aren't mistaking this for 60 minutes, or

Dateline. A pat on the back for you, for your opinion. That's why we're all

here.

Michele

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