(OT) Big day in France for autism families

[Guest guest]

A Court judgment should be delivered today which will rule whether or not a film

about autism and psychoanalysis in France can be suppressed. If the defendants

(the documentary maker and an autism charity) win, the film will be shown on

French TV. If they lose they may have to pay the plaintiffs (three of the

psychoanalysts who appear in the film) as awful lot in damages.

You can watch the film on YouTube - it has subtitles and is 52 minutes long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUFMYythJQ

It is very shocking - and marvellous that the film maker managed to get so many

psychoanalysts to reveal their views about autism being, basically, a psychosis.

They hate behavioural methods. They refuse to give weight to the considerable

scientific research which shows autism is a neuro-developmental disorder. They

are anti the USA and anti science. Their behaviour has many of the

characteristics of a cult.

For decades in France Lacanian psychoanalysis (they also generally support

Bettelheim) has blamed the parents for the child's autism. The autistic child

has been seen by these professionals as mentally ill and often the children have

been taken away from the families and put into institutions. One 'treatment' has

been to wrap the child tightly in wet freezing cold sheets - they call this

'packing'.

Five or 6 years ago the Council of Europe criticised France for failing to

educate children with autism. They don't get an education because the

psychoanalysts say they are sick and need treatment, not education.

There has been criticism of the psychoanalytic stranglehold from French families

for several years. There is a tiny movement speaking out against packing,

against incarceration and in favour of ABA, PECS, TEACCH and other approaches.

The psychoanalytic establishment in the face of this criticism is now claiming

they are in favour of a variety of approaches. Actually they aren't, as the film

-maker's website shows clearly.

http://psychanalysedevoilee.oceaninvisibleproductions.com/

I really hope that the psychoanalysts lose their case and that the film is shown

on public TV in France. This ought to have a big effect in finally ending these

abusive practices and free up the money to be used to help the children with

autism.

Margaret

[Guest guest]

Bad news - the psychoanalysts won the court case. I don't know whether there

will be an appeal. The parents and the film maker will carry on getting the tuth

out in the open.

Margaret

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> Subject: (OT) Big day in France for autism families

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Date: Thursday, 26 January, 2012, 14:02

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> A Court judgment should be delivered today which will rule whether or

not a film about autism and psychoanalysis in France can be suppressed. If the

defendants (the documentary maker and an autism charity) win, the film will be

shown on French TV. If they lose they may have to pay the plaintiffs (three of

the psychoanalysts who appear in the film) as awful lot in damages.

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> You can watch the film on YouTube - it has subtitles and is 52 minutes long.

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUFMYythJQ

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> It is very shocking - and marvellous that the film maker managed to get so

many psychoanalysts to reveal their views about autism being, basically, a

psychosis. They hate behavioural methods. They refuse to give weight to the

considerable scientific research which shows autism is a neuro-developmental

disorder. They are anti the USA and anti science. Their behaviour has many of

the characteristics of a cult.

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> For decades in France Lacanian psychoanalysis (they also generally support

Bettelheim) has blamed the parents for the child's autism. The autistic child

has been seen by these professionals as mentally ill and often the children have

been taken away from the families and put into institutions. One 'treatment' has

been to wrap the child tightly in wet freezing cold sheets - they call this

'packing'.

>

> Five or 6 years ago the Council of Europe criticised France for failing to

educate children with autism. They don't get an education because the

psychoanalysts say they are sick and need treatment, not education.

>

> There has been criticism of the psychoanalytic stranglehold from French

families for several years. There is a tiny movement speaking out against

packing, against incarceration and in favour of ABA, PECS, TEACCH and other

approaches.

>

> The psychoanalytic establishment in the face of this criticism is now claiming

they are in favour of a variety of approaches. Actually they aren't, as the film

-maker's website shows clearly.

>

> http://psychanalysedevoilee.oceaninvisibleproductions.com/

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> I really hope that the psychoanalysts lose their case and that the film is

shown on public TV in France. This ought to have a big effect in finally ending

these abusive practices and free up the money to be used to help the children

with autism.

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> Margaret

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[Guest guest]

Bad news - the psychoanalysts won the court case. I don't know whether there

will be an appeal. The parents and the film maker will carry on getting the tuth

out in the open.

Margaret

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> Subject: (OT) Big day in France for autism families

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Date: Thursday, 26 January, 2012, 14:02

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> A Court judgment should be delivered today which will rule whether or

not a film about autism and psychoanalysis in France can be suppressed. If the

defendants (the documentary maker and an autism charity) win, the film will be

shown on French TV. If they lose they may have to pay the plaintiffs (three of

the psychoanalysts who appear in the film) as awful lot in damages.

>

> You can watch the film on YouTube - it has subtitles and is 52 minutes long.

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUFMYythJQ

>

> It is very shocking - and marvellous that the film maker managed to get so

many psychoanalysts to reveal their views about autism being, basically, a

psychosis. They hate behavioural methods. They refuse to give weight to the

considerable scientific research which shows autism is a neuro-developmental

disorder. They are anti the USA and anti science. Their behaviour has many of

the characteristics of a cult.

>

> For decades in France Lacanian psychoanalysis (they also generally support

Bettelheim) has blamed the parents for the child's autism. The autistic child

has been seen by these professionals as mentally ill and often the children have

been taken away from the families and put into institutions. One 'treatment' has

been to wrap the child tightly in wet freezing cold sheets - they call this

'packing'.

>

> Five or 6 years ago the Council of Europe criticised France for failing to

educate children with autism. They don't get an education because the

psychoanalysts say they are sick and need treatment, not education.

>

> There has been criticism of the psychoanalytic stranglehold from French

families for several years. There is a tiny movement speaking out against

packing, against incarceration and in favour of ABA, PECS, TEACCH and other

approaches.

>

> The psychoanalytic establishment in the face of this criticism is now claiming

they are in favour of a variety of approaches. Actually they aren't, as the film

-maker's website shows clearly.

>

> http://psychanalysedevoilee.oceaninvisibleproductions.com/

>

>

>

> I really hope that the psychoanalysts lose their case and that the film is

shown on public TV in France. This ought to have a big effect in finally ending

these abusive practices and free up the money to be used to help the children

with autism.

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>

> Margaret

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[Guest guest]

Bad news - the psychoanalysts won the court case. I don't know whether there

will be an appeal. The parents and the film maker will carry on getting the tuth

out in the open.

Margaret

>

>

> Subject: (OT) Big day in France for autism families

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Date: Thursday, 26 January, 2012, 14:02

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> A Court judgment should be delivered today which will rule whether or

not a film about autism and psychoanalysis in France can be suppressed. If the

defendants (the documentary maker and an autism charity) win, the film will be

shown on French TV. If they lose they may have to pay the plaintiffs (three of

the psychoanalysts who appear in the film) as awful lot in damages.

>

> You can watch the film on YouTube - it has subtitles and is 52 minutes long.

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUFMYythJQ

>

> It is very shocking - and marvellous that the film maker managed to get so

many psychoanalysts to reveal their views about autism being, basically, a

psychosis. They hate behavioural methods. They refuse to give weight to the

considerable scientific research which shows autism is a neuro-developmental

disorder. They are anti the USA and anti science. Their behaviour has many of

the characteristics of a cult.

>

> For decades in France Lacanian psychoanalysis (they also generally support

Bettelheim) has blamed the parents for the child's autism. The autistic child

has been seen by these professionals as mentally ill and often the children have

been taken away from the families and put into institutions. One 'treatment' has

been to wrap the child tightly in wet freezing cold sheets - they call this

'packing'.

>

> Five or 6 years ago the Council of Europe criticised France for failing to

educate children with autism. They don't get an education because the

psychoanalysts say they are sick and need treatment, not education.

>

> There has been criticism of the psychoanalytic stranglehold from French

families for several years. There is a tiny movement speaking out against

packing, against incarceration and in favour of ABA, PECS, TEACCH and other

approaches.

>

> The psychoanalytic establishment in the face of this criticism is now claiming

they are in favour of a variety of approaches. Actually they aren't, as the film

-maker's website shows clearly.

>

> http://psychanalysedevoilee.oceaninvisibleproductions.com/

>

>

>

> I really hope that the psychoanalysts lose their case and that the film is

shown on public TV in France. This ought to have a big effect in finally ending

these abusive practices and free up the money to be used to help the children

with autism.

>

>

>

> Margaret

>

[Guest guest]

Hard to watch is an understatement for sure!!!! What a bunch of old duffers.

Maybe vaccine damage will visit the next generation for these folks.... and

forgive me for even thinking much less writing such!!!! [among the aloof and

unfeeling!!!!]

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> > From: Margaret <m.collins9@>

> > Subject: (OT) Big day in France for autism

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> > A Court judgment should be delivered today which will rule whether or

not a film about autism and psychoanalysis in France can be suppressed. If the

defendants (the documentary maker and an autism charity) win, the film will be

shown on French TV. If they lose they may have to pay the plaintiffs (three of

the psychoanalysts who appear in the film) as awful lot in damages.

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> > You can watch the film on YouTube - it has subtitles and is 52 minutes long.

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> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUFMYythJQ

> >

> > It is very shocking - and marvellous that the film maker managed to get so

many psychoanalysts to reveal their views about autism being, basically, a

psychosis. They hate behavioural methods. They refuse to give weight to the

considerable scientific research which shows autism is a neuro-developmental

disorder. They are anti the USA and anti science. Their behaviour has many of

the characteristics of a cult.

> >

> > For decades in France Lacanian psychoanalysis (they also generally support

Bettelheim) has blamed the parents for the child's autism. The autistic child

has been seen by these professionals as mentally ill and often the children have

been taken away from the families and put into institutions. One 'treatment' has

been to wrap the child tightly in wet freezing cold sheets - they call this

'packing'.

> >

> > Five or 6 years ago the Council of Europe criticised France for failing to

educate children with autism. They don't get an education because the

psychoanalysts say they are sick and need treatment, not education.

> >

> > There has been criticism of the psychoanalytic stranglehold from French

families for several years. There is a tiny movement speaking out against

packing, against incarceration and in favour of ABA, PECS, TEACCH and other

approaches.

> >

> > The psychoanalytic establishment in the face of this criticism is now

claiming they are in favour of a variety of approaches. Actually they aren't, as

the film -maker's website shows clearly.

> >

> > http://psychanalysedevoilee.oceaninvisibleproductions.com/

> >

> >

> >

> > I really hope that the psychoanalysts lose their case and that the film is

shown on public TV in France. This ought to have a big effect in finally ending

these abusive practices and free up the money to be used to help the children

with autism.

> >

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> >

> > Margaret

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>

[Guest guest]

Hard to watch is an understatement for sure!!!! What a bunch of old duffers.

Maybe vaccine damage will visit the next generation for these folks.... and

forgive me for even thinking much less writing such!!!! [among the aloof and

unfeeling!!!!]

> >

> > From: Margaret <m.collins9@>

> > Subject: (OT) Big day in France for autism

families

> > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> > Date: Thursday, 26 January, 2012, 14:02

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> > A Court judgment should be delivered today which will rule whether or

not a film about autism and psychoanalysis in France can be suppressed. If the

defendants (the documentary maker and an autism charity) win, the film will be

shown on French TV. If they lose they may have to pay the plaintiffs (three of

the psychoanalysts who appear in the film) as awful lot in damages.

> >

> > You can watch the film on YouTube - it has subtitles and is 52 minutes long.

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUFMYythJQ

> >

> > It is very shocking - and marvellous that the film maker managed to get so

many psychoanalysts to reveal their views about autism being, basically, a

psychosis. They hate behavioural methods. They refuse to give weight to the

considerable scientific research which shows autism is a neuro-developmental

disorder. They are anti the USA and anti science. Their behaviour has many of

the characteristics of a cult.

> >

> > For decades in France Lacanian psychoanalysis (they also generally support

Bettelheim) has blamed the parents for the child's autism. The autistic child

has been seen by these professionals as mentally ill and often the children have

been taken away from the families and put into institutions. One 'treatment' has

been to wrap the child tightly in wet freezing cold sheets - they call this

'packing'.

> >

> > Five or 6 years ago the Council of Europe criticised France for failing to

educate children with autism. They don't get an education because the

psychoanalysts say they are sick and need treatment, not education.

> >

> > There has been criticism of the psychoanalytic stranglehold from French

families for several years. There is a tiny movement speaking out against

packing, against incarceration and in favour of ABA, PECS, TEACCH and other

approaches.

> >

> > The psychoanalytic establishment in the face of this criticism is now

claiming they are in favour of a variety of approaches. Actually they aren't, as

the film -maker's website shows clearly.

> >

> > http://psychanalysedevoilee.oceaninvisibleproductions.com/

> >

> >

> >

> > I really hope that the psychoanalysts lose their case and that the film is

shown on public TV in France. This ought to have a big effect in finally ending

these abusive practices and free up the money to be used to help the children

with autism.

> >

> >

> >

> > Margaret

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, it can be seen outside France. I bought a copy on DVD from French Amazon

and it has already been dispatched to my sister's address in France, but I dare

say they will stop seklling it soon. One would need the copyright holder's

permission for a public showing. Unfortunately the English subtitles on the You

Tuvbe version are rather amateur.

The film maker is going to appeal the verdict.

I hope the French authorities don't block the film on You Tube from being

viewable in France on people's computers....

Margaret

> >

> > From: Margaret <m.collins9@>

> > Subject: (OT) Big day in France for autism

families

> > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> > Date: Thursday, 26 January, 2012, 14:02

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> > A Court judgment should be delivered today which will rule whether or

not a film about autism and psychoanalysis in France can be suppressed. If the

defendants (the documentary maker and an autism charity) win, the film will be

shown on French TV. If they lose they may have to pay the plaintiffs (three of

the psychoanalysts who appear in the film) as awful lot in damages.

> >

> > You can watch the film on YouTube - it has subtitles and is 52 minutes long.

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUFMYythJQ

> >

> > It is very shocking - and marvellous that the film maker managed to get so

many psychoanalysts to reveal their views about autism being, basically, a

psychosis. They hate behavioural methods. They refuse to give weight to the

considerable scientific research which shows autism is a neuro-developmental

disorder. They are anti the USA and anti science. Their behaviour has many of

the characteristics of a cult.

> >

> > For decades in France Lacanian psychoanalysis (they also generally support

Bettelheim) has blamed the parents for the child's autism. The autistic child

has been seen by these professionals as mentally ill and often the children have

been taken away from the families and put into institutions. One 'treatment' has

been to wrap the child tightly in wet freezing cold sheets - they call this

'packing'.

> >

> > Five or 6 years ago the Council of Europe criticised France for failing to

educate children with autism. They don't get an education because the

psychoanalysts say they are sick and need treatment, not education.

> >

> > There has been criticism of the psychoanalytic stranglehold from French

families for several years. There is a tiny movement speaking out against

packing, against incarceration and in favour of ABA, PECS, TEACCH and other

approaches.

> >

> > The psychoanalytic establishment in the face of this criticism is now

claiming they are in favour of a variety of approaches. Actually they aren't, as

the film -maker's website shows clearly.

> >

> > http://psychanalysedevoilee.oceaninvisibleproductions.com/

> >

> >

> >

> > I really hope that the psychoanalysts lose their case and that the film is

shown on public TV in France. This ought to have a big effect in finally ending

these abusive practices and free up the money to be used to help the children

with autism.

> >

> >

> >

> > Margaret

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, it can be seen outside France. I bought a copy on DVD from French Amazon

and it has already been dispatched to my sister's address in France, but I dare

say they will stop seklling it soon. One would need the copyright holder's

permission for a public showing. Unfortunately the English subtitles on the You

Tuvbe version are rather amateur.

The film maker is going to appeal the verdict.

I hope the French authorities don't block the film on You Tube from being

viewable in France on people's computers....

Margaret

> >

> > From: Margaret <m.collins9@>

> > Subject: (OT) Big day in France for autism

families

> > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> > Date: Thursday, 26 January, 2012, 14:02

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> > A Court judgment should be delivered today which will rule whether or

not a film about autism and psychoanalysis in France can be suppressed. If the

defendants (the documentary maker and an autism charity) win, the film will be

shown on French TV. If they lose they may have to pay the plaintiffs (three of

the psychoanalysts who appear in the film) as awful lot in damages.

> >

> > You can watch the film on YouTube - it has subtitles and is 52 minutes long.

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUFMYythJQ

> >

> > It is very shocking - and marvellous that the film maker managed to get so

many psychoanalysts to reveal their views about autism being, basically, a

psychosis. They hate behavioural methods. They refuse to give weight to the

considerable scientific research which shows autism is a neuro-developmental

disorder. They are anti the USA and anti science. Their behaviour has many of

the characteristics of a cult.

> >

> > For decades in France Lacanian psychoanalysis (they also generally support

Bettelheim) has blamed the parents for the child's autism. The autistic child

has been seen by these professionals as mentally ill and often the children have

been taken away from the families and put into institutions. One 'treatment' has

been to wrap the child tightly in wet freezing cold sheets - they call this

'packing'.

> >

> > Five or 6 years ago the Council of Europe criticised France for failing to

educate children with autism. They don't get an education because the

psychoanalysts say they are sick and need treatment, not education.

> >

> > There has been criticism of the psychoanalytic stranglehold from French

families for several years. There is a tiny movement speaking out against

packing, against incarceration and in favour of ABA, PECS, TEACCH and other

approaches.

> >

> > The psychoanalytic establishment in the face of this criticism is now

claiming they are in favour of a variety of approaches. Actually they aren't, as

the film -maker's website shows clearly.

> >

> > http://psychanalysedevoilee.oceaninvisibleproductions.com/

> >

> >

> >

> > I really hope that the psychoanalysts lose their case and that the film is

shown on public TV in France. This ought to have a big effect in finally ending

these abusive practices and free up the money to be used to help the children

with autism.

> >

> >

> >

> > Margaret

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, it can be seen outside France. I bought a copy on DVD from French Amazon

and it has already been dispatched to my sister's address in France, but I dare

say they will stop seklling it soon. One would need the copyright holder's

permission for a public showing. Unfortunately the English subtitles on the You

Tuvbe version are rather amateur.

The film maker is going to appeal the verdict.

I hope the French authorities don't block the film on You Tube from being

viewable in France on people's computers....

Margaret

> >

> > From: Margaret <m.collins9@>

> > Subject: (OT) Big day in France for autism

families

> > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> > Date: Thursday, 26 January, 2012, 14:02

> >

> >

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> > A Court judgment should be delivered today which will rule whether or

not a film about autism and psychoanalysis in France can be suppressed. If the

defendants (the documentary maker and an autism charity) win, the film will be

shown on French TV. If they lose they may have to pay the plaintiffs (three of

the psychoanalysts who appear in the film) as awful lot in damages.

> >

> > You can watch the film on YouTube - it has subtitles and is 52 minutes long.

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUFMYythJQ

> >

> > It is very shocking - and marvellous that the film maker managed to get so

many psychoanalysts to reveal their views about autism being, basically, a

psychosis. They hate behavioural methods. They refuse to give weight to the

considerable scientific research which shows autism is a neuro-developmental

disorder. They are anti the USA and anti science. Their behaviour has many of

the characteristics of a cult.

> >

> > For decades in France Lacanian psychoanalysis (they also generally support

Bettelheim) has blamed the parents for the child's autism. The autistic child

has been seen by these professionals as mentally ill and often the children have

been taken away from the families and put into institutions. One 'treatment' has

been to wrap the child tightly in wet freezing cold sheets - they call this

'packing'.

> >

> > Five or 6 years ago the Council of Europe criticised France for failing to

educate children with autism. They don't get an education because the

psychoanalysts say they are sick and need treatment, not education.

> >

> > There has been criticism of the psychoanalytic stranglehold from French

families for several years. There is a tiny movement speaking out against

packing, against incarceration and in favour of ABA, PECS, TEACCH and other

approaches.

> >

> > The psychoanalytic establishment in the face of this criticism is now

claiming they are in favour of a variety of approaches. Actually they aren't, as

the film -maker's website shows clearly.

> >

> > http://psychanalysedevoilee.oceaninvisibleproductions.com/

> >

> >

> >

> > I really hope that the psychoanalysts lose their case and that the film is

shown on public TV in France. This ought to have a big effect in finally ending

these abusive practices and free up the money to be used to help the children

with autism.

> >

> >

> >

> > Margaret

> >

>