Re: Help with microbial test results

[Guest guest]

nah,

2-hydroxyhippuric acid was interpreted for us us 'gi trouble.' and goes along w

those other gi markers you note. We, too, have had elevated AST off and on. It

makes me nervous due to the long term anticonvulsant use which is hard on the

liver. May help-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartate_transaminase[yes, I know -Wiki! but it

can give some helpful info] We use a ridiculous amount of B6 as P5P and always

show need - up to 800mg/day now; far above the 8mg/kg rec. Doc says he knows

one on 3000mg/day!!!! Need for this is well documented in seizure literature

also. Don't know what age you're dealing w but this went up substantially during

growth years ~9-12y for us and was attributed to rapid growth. It did go down

but not w/o much angst on my part. We have it again now and are trying to offer

more liver support[silymarin] and again thinking of the anticonvulsant

association. We have also been actively chelating which may contribute. In

younger years, I was ignorant of chelation so we were not doing it then. Our doc

does not seem esp concerned about this level which is 45[nl 8-39 c lab here].

This gives some minimal help re OAT but has never been fully activated

http://www.newtreatments.org/fromweb/OrganicCompoundsinUrine.html

>

> Hello,

>

> I was wondering if anyone could shed any light on some of our recent results -

we are not due to see DrG until April.

>

> We recently did a course of Nitazoxanide, which was really good for my boy

(poos have been solid ever since; auditory processing/receptive language

improve). (We'd done vancomycin twice before - same gains but didn't last).

>

> We did a microbial oat immediately after finishing Nit..

>

> 1. 2 yeast markers high (3-oxoglutaric, arabinose is sky high)We suspected

this as yeasty behaviours. I know we'd expect thsi after antibiotic, but he's

on fluconazole. Does this suggest fluconazole resistance? He's also scd.

>

> We're due to start itraconazole for suspected aspergillus(?) - does htis also

address candida?

>

> 2. dhppa is listed as " beneficial bacteria " on the great plains test, is it

not good for it to be too high, hence reference range? His is gone up to 5.4

(ref <=.59) - this was immediately after nitazoxanide.

>

> 3. 2-hydroxyhippuric acid was elevated. I can't find much about this marker.

Does any one know its significance?

>

> 4. H & B last week showed increased Aspartate Transferase (41, ref 0-37) -

should I be concerned about liver function?

>

> Many thanks in advance for any lightanyone can shed.

>

> nah

>

[Guest guest]

nah,

2-hydroxyhippuric acid was interpreted for us us 'gi trouble.' and goes along w

those other gi markers you note. We, too, have had elevated AST off and on. It

makes me nervous due to the long term anticonvulsant use which is hard on the

liver. May help-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartate_transaminase[yes, I know -Wiki! but it

can give some helpful info] We use a ridiculous amount of B6 as P5P and always

show need - up to 800mg/day now; far above the 8mg/kg rec. Doc says he knows

one on 3000mg/day!!!! Need for this is well documented in seizure literature

also. Don't know what age you're dealing w but this went up substantially during

growth years ~9-12y for us and was attributed to rapid growth. It did go down

but not w/o much angst on my part. We have it again now and are trying to offer

more liver support[silymarin] and again thinking of the anticonvulsant

association. We have also been actively chelating which may contribute. In

younger years, I was ignorant of chelation so we were not doing it then. Our doc

does not seem esp concerned about this level which is 45[nl 8-39 c lab here].

This gives some minimal help re OAT but has never been fully activated

http://www.newtreatments.org/fromweb/OrganicCompoundsinUrine.html

>

> Hello,

>

> I was wondering if anyone could shed any light on some of our recent results -

we are not due to see DrG until April.

>

> We recently did a course of Nitazoxanide, which was really good for my boy

(poos have been solid ever since; auditory processing/receptive language

improve). (We'd done vancomycin twice before - same gains but didn't last).

>

> We did a microbial oat immediately after finishing Nit..

>

> 1. 2 yeast markers high (3-oxoglutaric, arabinose is sky high)We suspected

this as yeasty behaviours. I know we'd expect thsi after antibiotic, but he's

on fluconazole. Does this suggest fluconazole resistance? He's also scd.

>

> We're due to start itraconazole for suspected aspergillus(?) - does htis also

address candida?

>

> 2. dhppa is listed as " beneficial bacteria " on the great plains test, is it

not good for it to be too high, hence reference range? His is gone up to 5.4

(ref <=.59) - this was immediately after nitazoxanide.

>

> 3. 2-hydroxyhippuric acid was elevated. I can't find much about this marker.

Does any one know its significance?

>

> 4. H & B last week showed increased Aspartate Transferase (41, ref 0-37) -

should I be concerned about liver function?

>

> Many thanks in advance for any lightanyone can shed.

>

> nah

>

[Guest guest]

There is no way to say for sure he has no Mercury, do you have a hair test to look at Counting Rules ?

Mx

He doesn't have mercury , but has aluminium and antimony (metalothienein done a yr ago).

[Guest guest]

There is no way to say for sure he has no Mercury, do you have a hair test to look at Counting Rules ?

Mx

He doesn't have mercury , but has aluminium and antimony (metalothienein done a yr ago).

[Guest guest]

Hi

I guess we always assumed he didn't because the metalothienein test didnt show

it and he was born in 2008 so thiermosol had been removed.

I hadn't heard of counting rule until I read your post so just read up and leart

that mercury can hide and cause retention Of other metals incl al and antimony.

.. The only source I can think of was swine flu jab which was very timely in

terms of his regression and I think did contain thiermosal.

I have a hair test kit and also urinary porpheryns (?) so I need to do the tests

and find out more...

Thanks for the pointer.

nah

>

> There is no way to say for sure he has no Mercury, do you have a hair test

> to look at Counting Rules ?

>

> Mx

>

>

> In a message dated 09/02/2012 12:51:32 GMT Standard Time,

> susannah_miles@... writes:

>

> He doesn't have mercury , but has aluminium and antimony (metalothienein

> done a yr ago).

>

[Guest guest]

Amalgam fillings (silver ones) in mum and her vaccination history can also add to the load. Yes good plan to do the hair test, Elemental from DDI is the best one, counting rules look at probablility.

Porphyrins can be false negative in toxic person but unlikely will be given you have been using DMPS

What protocol do you use for the TD DMPS?

Mandi x

I hadn't heard of counting rule until I read your post so just read up and leart that mercury can hide and cause retention Of other metals incl al and antimony. . The only source I can think of was swine flu jab which was very timely in terms of his regression and I think did contain thiermosal

[Guest guest]

Amalgam fillings (silver ones) in mum and her vaccination history can also add to the load. Yes good plan to do the hair test, Elemental from DDI is the best one, counting rules look at probablility.

Porphyrins can be false negative in toxic person but unlikely will be given you have been using DMPS

What protocol do you use for the TD DMPS?

Mandi x

I hadn't heard of counting rule until I read your post so just read up and leart that mercury can hide and cause retention Of other metals incl al and antimony. . The only source I can think of was swine flu jab which was very timely in terms of his regression and I think did contain thiermosal

[Guest guest]

Hi Mandi,

Not doing tddmps at present but when we did it was 3 days on 4 days off x3/day.

Didn't see much difference or maybe attributed to other things.

We were doing different antibiotics at the same time which were good for him.

Maybe tddmps was quietly doing good behind the scenes?

Why is false neg for porphyrins unlikely if done tddmps? Do you think the hair

analysis is more useful.

Never thought about my own vaccination history as a source. No amalgams.

Thanks again. So much food for thought.

nah

>

> Amalgam fillings (silver ones) in mum and her vaccination history can also

> add to the load. Yes good plan to do the hair test, Elemental from DDI is

> the best one, counting rules look at probablility.

>

> Porphyrins can be false negative in toxic person but unlikely will be given

> you have been using DMPS

>

> What protocol do you use for the TD DMPS?

>

> Mandi x

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 09/02/2012 17:07:09 GMT Standard Time,

> susannah_miles@... writes:

>

> I hadn't heard of counting rule until I read your post so just read up and

> leart that mercury can hide and cause retention Of other metals incl al

> and antimony. . The only source I can think of was swine flu jab which was

> very timely in terms of his regression and I think did contain thiermosal

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mandi,

Not doing tddmps at present but when we did it was 3 days on 4 days off x3/day.

Didn't see much difference or maybe attributed to other things.

We were doing different antibiotics at the same time which were good for him.

Maybe tddmps was quietly doing good behind the scenes?

Why is false neg for porphyrins unlikely if done tddmps? Do you think the hair

analysis is more useful.

Never thought about my own vaccination history as a source. No amalgams.

Thanks again. So much food for thought.

nah

>

> Amalgam fillings (silver ones) in mum and her vaccination history can also

> add to the load. Yes good plan to do the hair test, Elemental from DDI is

> the best one, counting rules look at probablility.

>

> Porphyrins can be false negative in toxic person but unlikely will be given

> you have been using DMPS

>

> What protocol do you use for the TD DMPS?

>

> Mandi x

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 09/02/2012 17:07:09 GMT Standard Time,

> susannah_miles@... writes:

>

> I hadn't heard of counting rule until I read your post so just read up and

> leart that mercury can hide and cause retention Of other metals incl al

> and antimony. . The only source I can think of was swine flu jab which was

> very timely in terms of his regression and I think did contain thiermosal

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mandi,

Not doing tddmps at present but when we did it was 3 days on 4 days off x3/day.

Didn't see much difference or maybe attributed to other things.

We were doing different antibiotics at the same time which were good for him.

Maybe tddmps was quietly doing good behind the scenes?

Why is false neg for porphyrins unlikely if done tddmps? Do you think the hair

analysis is more useful.

Never thought about my own vaccination history as a source. No amalgams.

Thanks again. So much food for thought.

nah

>

> Amalgam fillings (silver ones) in mum and her vaccination history can also

> add to the load. Yes good plan to do the hair test, Elemental from DDI is

> the best one, counting rules look at probablility.

>

> Porphyrins can be false negative in toxic person but unlikely will be given

> you have been using DMPS

>

> What protocol do you use for the TD DMPS?

>

> Mandi x

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 09/02/2012 17:07:09 GMT Standard Time,

> susannah_miles@... writes:

>

> I hadn't heard of counting rule until I read your post so just read up and

> leart that mercury can hide and cause retention Of other metals incl al

> and antimony. . The only source I can think of was swine flu jab which was

> very timely in terms of his regression and I think did contain thiermosal

>