Re: A question for those with more than one ASD child

[Guest guest]

Hi Colleen, I do understand your concerns. This is the best approach you are doing, " take action if you're concerned." wait and see approach is the worse thing we have been advised to do. The earliest signs of autism involve the absence of normal behaviours,not the presence of abnormal ones. Early signs of autism in babies and toddlers

Doesn’t make eye contact (e.g. look at you when being fed). Doesn't smile when smiled at. Doesn't respond to his or her name or to the sound of a familiar voice. Doesn’t follow objects visually. Doesn't point or wave goodbye or use other gestures to communicate. Doesn’t follow the gesture when you point things out.

Doesn’t make noises to get your attention. Doesn’t initiate or respond to cuddling. Doesn’t imitate your movements and facial expressions. Doesn’t reach out to be picked up. Doesn’t play with other people or share interest and enjoyment. Doesn’t ask for help or make other basic requests. http://www.nih.gov/news/health/apr2011/nimh-28.htm my best,N x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 11:37 Subject: A question for those with more than one ASD child

This is off topic, my 12 month old daughter, who has so far not shown any ASD 'red flags', lined up four toy cars today, bumper to bumper and I am panicking! My ASD 6 year old son has never lined up anything and has never shown any interest in toy cars so it can't have been something she copied from him.

I will keep a sharp eye on things but for those of you who have more than one child with ASD please could you advise, in your opinion, what the first signs were in your 2nd child and at what age the first signs manifested themselves. I understand most will be different but I would still like to compare, if you don't mind sharing. Thank you!

Kind regards, Colleen

[Guest guest]

Hi Colleen, I do understand your concerns. This is the best approach you are doing, " take action if you're concerned." wait and see approach is the worse thing we have been advised to do. The earliest signs of autism involve the absence of normal behaviours,not the presence of abnormal ones. Early signs of autism in babies and toddlers

Doesn’t make eye contact (e.g. look at you when being fed). Doesn't smile when smiled at. Doesn't respond to his or her name or to the sound of a familiar voice. Doesn’t follow objects visually. Doesn't point or wave goodbye or use other gestures to communicate. Doesn’t follow the gesture when you point things out.

Doesn’t make noises to get your attention. Doesn’t initiate or respond to cuddling. Doesn’t imitate your movements and facial expressions. Doesn’t reach out to be picked up. Doesn’t play with other people or share interest and enjoyment. Doesn’t ask for help or make other basic requests. http://www.nih.gov/news/health/apr2011/nimh-28.htm my best,N x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 11:37 Subject: A question for those with more than one ASD child

This is off topic, my 12 month old daughter, who has so far not shown any ASD 'red flags', lined up four toy cars today, bumper to bumper and I am panicking! My ASD 6 year old son has never lined up anything and has never shown any interest in toy cars so it can't have been something she copied from him.

I will keep a sharp eye on things but for those of you who have more than one child with ASD please could you advise, in your opinion, what the first signs were in your 2nd child and at what age the first signs manifested themselves. I understand most will be different but I would still like to compare, if you don't mind sharing. Thank you!

Kind regards, Colleen

[Guest guest]

Hi Colleen, I do understand your concerns. This is the best approach you are doing, " take action if you're concerned." wait and see approach is the worse thing we have been advised to do. The earliest signs of autism involve the absence of normal behaviours,not the presence of abnormal ones. Early signs of autism in babies and toddlers

Doesn’t make eye contact (e.g. look at you when being fed). Doesn't smile when smiled at. Doesn't respond to his or her name or to the sound of a familiar voice. Doesn’t follow objects visually. Doesn't point or wave goodbye or use other gestures to communicate. Doesn’t follow the gesture when you point things out.

Doesn’t make noises to get your attention. Doesn’t initiate or respond to cuddling. Doesn’t imitate your movements and facial expressions. Doesn’t reach out to be picked up. Doesn’t play with other people or share interest and enjoyment. Doesn’t ask for help or make other basic requests. http://www.nih.gov/news/health/apr2011/nimh-28.htm my best,N x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 11:37 Subject: A question for those with more than one ASD child

This is off topic, my 12 month old daughter, who has so far not shown any ASD 'red flags', lined up four toy cars today, bumper to bumper and I am panicking! My ASD 6 year old son has never lined up anything and has never shown any interest in toy cars so it can't have been something she copied from him.

I will keep a sharp eye on things but for those of you who have more than one child with ASD please could you advise, in your opinion, what the first signs were in your 2nd child and at what age the first signs manifested themselves. I understand most will be different but I would still like to compare, if you don't mind sharing. Thank you!

Kind regards, Colleen

[Guest guest]

Hi Colleen, I do understand your concerns. This is the best approach you are doing, "   take action if you're concerned. " wait and see approach is the worse thing we have been advised to do.

 The earliest signs of autism involve the absence of normal behaviours,not the presence of abnormal ones.No such thing as normal, ive highlighted the behaviours i had at the time. 

 Early signs of autism in babies and toddlers

Doesn’t make eye contact (e.g. look at you when being fed). Doesn't smile when smiled at. Doesn't respond to his or her name or to the sound of a familiar voice. Doesn’t follow objects visually. Doesn't point or wave goodbye or use other gestures to communicate. Doesn’t follow the gesture when you point things out.

Doesn’t make noises to get your attention. Doesn’t initiate or respond to cuddling. Doesn’t imitate your movements and facial expressions. Doesn’t reach out to be picked up. Doesn’t play with other people or share interest and enjoyment. Doesn’t ask for help or make other basic requests. http://www.nih.gov/news/health/apr2011/nimh-28.htm

 The last problem i still have about asking for help or making requests. the issue is when and how and who to ask. -- is

[Guest guest]

Hi Colleen, I do understand your concerns. This is the best approach you are doing, "   take action if you're concerned. " wait and see approach is the worse thing we have been advised to do.

 The earliest signs of autism involve the absence of normal behaviours,not the presence of abnormal ones.No such thing as normal, ive highlighted the behaviours i had at the time. 

 Early signs of autism in babies and toddlers

Doesn’t make eye contact (e.g. look at you when being fed). Doesn't smile when smiled at. Doesn't respond to his or her name or to the sound of a familiar voice. Doesn’t follow objects visually. Doesn't point or wave goodbye or use other gestures to communicate. Doesn’t follow the gesture when you point things out.

Doesn’t make noises to get your attention. Doesn’t initiate or respond to cuddling. Doesn’t imitate your movements and facial expressions. Doesn’t reach out to be picked up. Doesn’t play with other people or share interest and enjoyment. Doesn’t ask for help or make other basic requests. http://www.nih.gov/news/health/apr2011/nimh-28.htm

 The last problem i still have about asking for help or making requests. the issue is when and how and who to ask. -- is

[Guest guest]

Hi Colleen, I do understand your concerns. This is the best approach you are doing, "   take action if you're concerned. " wait and see approach is the worse thing we have been advised to do.

 The earliest signs of autism involve the absence of normal behaviours,not the presence of abnormal ones.No such thing as normal, ive highlighted the behaviours i had at the time. 

 Early signs of autism in babies and toddlers

Doesn’t make eye contact (e.g. look at you when being fed). Doesn't smile when smiled at. Doesn't respond to his or her name or to the sound of a familiar voice. Doesn’t follow objects visually. Doesn't point or wave goodbye or use other gestures to communicate. Doesn’t follow the gesture when you point things out.

Doesn’t make noises to get your attention. Doesn’t initiate or respond to cuddling. Doesn’t imitate your movements and facial expressions. Doesn’t reach out to be picked up. Doesn’t play with other people or share interest and enjoyment. Doesn’t ask for help or make other basic requests. http://www.nih.gov/news/health/apr2011/nimh-28.htm

 The last problem i still have about asking for help or making requests. the issue is when and how and who to ask. -- is

[Guest guest]

I agree that 'wait & see' is the worst advice - and we were told it over & over. There is also the MChat https://www.firstsigns.org/downloads/m-chat.PDF which is the modified checklist for autism in toddlers. I did it on my son who was 18 mos old & he came up 'severely at risk' for autism. So it was a reliable indicator for us. 12 months is not too early for detection and intervention but as the previous poster said, it is not the presence if abnormal behaviour that is the indicator, it is the absence of typical development. Best wishes, Darla Sent from my iPhone

Hi Colleen, I do understand your concerns. This is the best approach you are doing, " take action if you're concerned." wait and see approach is the worse thing we have been advised to do. The earliest signs of autism involve the absence of normal behaviours,not the presence of abnormal ones. Early signs of autism in babies and toddlers

Doesn’t make eye contact (e.g. look at you when being fed). Doesn't smile when smiled at. Doesn't respond to his or her name or to the sound of a familiar voice. Doesn’t follow objects visually. Doesn't point or wave goodbye or use other gestures to communicate. Doesn’t follow the gesture when you point things out.

Doesn’t make noises to get your attention. Doesn’t initiate or respond to cuddling. Doesn’t imitate your movements and facial expressions. Doesn’t reach out to be picked up. Doesn’t play with other people or share interest and enjoyment. Doesn’t ask for help or make other basic requests. http://www.nih.gov/news/health/apr2011/nimh-28.htm my best,N x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 11:37 Subject: A question for those with more than one ASD child

This is off topic, my 12 month old daughter, who has so far not shown any ASD 'red flags', lined up four toy cars today, bumper to bumper and I am panicking! My ASD 6 year old son has never lined up anything and has never shown any interest in toy cars so it can't have been something she copied from him.

I will keep a sharp eye on things but for those of you who have more than one child with ASD please could you advise, in your opinion, what the first signs were in your 2nd child and at what age the first signs manifested themselves. I understand most will be different but I would still like to compare, if you don't mind sharing. Thank you!

Kind regards, Colleen

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your comments and the useful info. I have a few little concerns but nothing outwardly major so will watch her very carefully over the next 6 months, as by 18months if she is going to have any developmental concerns they should be easier to see (I will periodically check against the M Chart). Although we only realised my son was autistic when he was 2yrs 3mos if I think back to when he was 18months old, if we had any suspicions then (which we didn't) and knew what to look for, we would have known something wasn't quite as it should be.Colleen Rawstorne

I agree that 'wait & see' is the worst advice - and we were told it over & over. There is also the MChat https://www.firstsigns.org/downloads/m-chat.PDF which is the modified checklist for autism in toddlers. I did it on my son who was 18 mos old & he came up 'severely at risk' for autism. So it was a reliable indicator for us. 12 months is not too early for detection and intervention but as the previous poster said, it is not the presence if abnormal behaviour that is the indicator, it is the absence of typical development. Best wishes, Darla Sent from my iPhone

Hi Colleen, I do understand your concerns. This is the best approach you are doing, " take action if you're concerned." wait and see approach is the worse thing we have been advised to do. The earliest signs of autism involve the absence of normal behaviours,not the presence of abnormal ones. Early signs of autism in babies and toddlers

Doesn’t make eye contact (e.g. look at you when being fed). Doesn't smile when smiled at. Doesn't respond to his or her name or to the sound of a familiar voice. Doesn’t follow objects visually. Doesn't point or wave goodbye or use other gestures to communicate. Doesn’t follow the gesture when you point things out.

Doesn’t make noises to get your attention. Doesn’t initiate or respond to cuddling. Doesn’t imitate your movements and facial expressions. Doesn’t reach out to be picked up. Doesn’t play with other people or share interest and enjoyment. Doesn’t ask for help or make other basic requests. http://www.nih.gov/news/health/apr2011/nimh-28.htm my best,N x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 11:37 Subject: A question for those with more than one ASD child

This is off topic, my 12 month old daughter, who has so far not shown any ASD 'red flags', lined up four toy cars today, bumper to bumper and I am panicking! My ASD 6 year old son has never lined up anything and has never shown any interest in toy cars so it can't have been something she copied from him.

I will keep a sharp eye on things but for those of you who have more than one child with ASD please could you advise, in your opinion, what the first signs were in your 2nd child and at what age the first signs manifested themselves. I understand most will be different but I would still like to compare, if you don't mind sharing. Thank you!

Kind regards, Colleen

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your comments and the useful info. I have a few little concerns but nothing outwardly major so will watch her very carefully over the next 6 months, as by 18months if she is going to have any developmental concerns they should be easier to see (I will periodically check against the M Chart). Although we only realised my son was autistic when he was 2yrs 3mos if I think back to when he was 18months old, if we had any suspicions then (which we didn't) and knew what to look for, we would have known something wasn't quite as it should be.Colleen Rawstorne

I agree that 'wait & see' is the worst advice - and we were told it over & over. There is also the MChat https://www.firstsigns.org/downloads/m-chat.PDF which is the modified checklist for autism in toddlers. I did it on my son who was 18 mos old & he came up 'severely at risk' for autism. So it was a reliable indicator for us. 12 months is not too early for detection and intervention but as the previous poster said, it is not the presence if abnormal behaviour that is the indicator, it is the absence of typical development. Best wishes, Darla Sent from my iPhone

Hi Colleen, I do understand your concerns. This is the best approach you are doing, " take action if you're concerned." wait and see approach is the worse thing we have been advised to do. The earliest signs of autism involve the absence of normal behaviours,not the presence of abnormal ones. Early signs of autism in babies and toddlers

Doesn’t make eye contact (e.g. look at you when being fed). Doesn't smile when smiled at. Doesn't respond to his or her name or to the sound of a familiar voice. Doesn’t follow objects visually. Doesn't point or wave goodbye or use other gestures to communicate. Doesn’t follow the gesture when you point things out.

Doesn’t make noises to get your attention. Doesn’t initiate or respond to cuddling. Doesn’t imitate your movements and facial expressions. Doesn’t reach out to be picked up. Doesn’t play with other people or share interest and enjoyment. Doesn’t ask for help or make other basic requests. http://www.nih.gov/news/health/apr2011/nimh-28.htm my best,N x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 11:37 Subject: A question for those with more than one ASD child

This is off topic, my 12 month old daughter, who has so far not shown any ASD 'red flags', lined up four toy cars today, bumper to bumper and I am panicking! My ASD 6 year old son has never lined up anything and has never shown any interest in toy cars so it can't have been something she copied from him.

I will keep a sharp eye on things but for those of you who have more than one child with ASD please could you advise, in your opinion, what the first signs were in your 2nd child and at what age the first signs manifested themselves. I understand most will be different but I would still like to compare, if you don't mind sharing. Thank you!

Kind regards, Colleen

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your comments and the useful info. I have a few little concerns but nothing outwardly major so will watch her very carefully over the next 6 months, as by 18months if she is going to have any developmental concerns they should be easier to see (I will periodically check against the M Chart). Although we only realised my son was autistic when he was 2yrs 3mos if I think back to when he was 18months old, if we had any suspicions then (which we didn't) and knew what to look for, we would have known something wasn't quite as it should be.Colleen Rawstorne

I agree that 'wait & see' is the worst advice - and we were told it over & over. There is also the MChat https://www.firstsigns.org/downloads/m-chat.PDF which is the modified checklist for autism in toddlers. I did it on my son who was 18 mos old & he came up 'severely at risk' for autism. So it was a reliable indicator for us. 12 months is not too early for detection and intervention but as the previous poster said, it is not the presence if abnormal behaviour that is the indicator, it is the absence of typical development. Best wishes, Darla Sent from my iPhone

Hi Colleen, I do understand your concerns. This is the best approach you are doing, " take action if you're concerned." wait and see approach is the worse thing we have been advised to do. The earliest signs of autism involve the absence of normal behaviours,not the presence of abnormal ones. Early signs of autism in babies and toddlers

Doesn’t make eye contact (e.g. look at you when being fed). Doesn't smile when smiled at. Doesn't respond to his or her name or to the sound of a familiar voice. Doesn’t follow objects visually. Doesn't point or wave goodbye or use other gestures to communicate. Doesn’t follow the gesture when you point things out.

Doesn’t make noises to get your attention. Doesn’t initiate or respond to cuddling. Doesn’t imitate your movements and facial expressions. Doesn’t reach out to be picked up. Doesn’t play with other people or share interest and enjoyment. Doesn’t ask for help or make other basic requests. http://www.nih.gov/news/health/apr2011/nimh-28.htm my best,N x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 11:37 Subject: A question for those with more than one ASD child

This is off topic, my 12 month old daughter, who has so far not shown any ASD 'red flags', lined up four toy cars today, bumper to bumper and I am panicking! My ASD 6 year old son has never lined up anything and has never shown any interest in toy cars so it can't have been something she copied from him.

I will keep a sharp eye on things but for those of you who have more than one child with ASD please could you advise, in your opinion, what the first signs were in your 2nd child and at what age the first signs manifested themselves. I understand most will be different but I would still like to compare, if you don't mind sharing. Thank you!

Kind regards, Colleen

[Guest guest]

I hesitate to suggest anything - but I wondered whether you might consider

whether to think about some basic gentle and simple biomed support eg diet at

this stage? As she is so young this would have to be carefully planned.

I was already worrying about autism with H when he was 12 months old (he had had

a very serious neurological illness of a type which is suspected of commonly

causing brain damage, so I was on the lookout and he was actually very obviously

and severely autistic even then)and went gluten-free very early (actually he'd

hardly ever had any gluten because I was delaying introducing it in any case)and

was persuaded by a charity (BIBIC) to take him off dairy before he was two - 5

months before he was diagnosed. In retrospect I think I might have looked into

the GAPS diet rather than GFCF, which can end up being full of sugar and junk

ingredients, but a good GFCF diet appears to help some children.

Another thing some people have tried here (I have not) is CEASE homeopathy,

which would not be likely to cause harm (except to the wallet, if it didn't

help). I have no idea whether it works or not but listmates can advise who they

think is the best practitioner in the UK. - I think the most experienced person

is near Milton Keynes.

Margaret

> >

> >>

> >> Hi Colleen,

> >>

> >> I do understand your concerns. This is the best approach you are doing, "

take action if you're concerned. " wait and see approach is the worse thing we

have been advised to do.

> >>

> >> The earliest signs of autism involve the absence of normal behaviours,not

the presence of abnormal ones.

> >>

> >> Early signs of autism in babies and toddlers

> >>

> >> Doesn’t make eye contact (e.g. look at you when being fed).

> >> Doesn't smile when smiled at.

> >> Doesn't respond to his or her name or to the sound of a familiar voice.

> >> Doesn’t follow objects visually.

> >> Doesn't point or wave goodbye or use other gestures to communicate.

> >> Doesn’t follow the gesture when you point things out.

> >> Doesn’t make noises to get your attention.

> >> Doesn’t initiate or respond to cuddling.

> >> Doesn’t imitate your movements and facial expressions.

> >> Doesn’t reach out to be picked up.

> >> Doesn’t play with other people or share interest and enjoyment.

> >> Doesn’t ask for help or make other basic requests.

> >> http://www.nih.gov/news/health/apr2011/nimh-28.htm

> >>

> >>

> >> my best,

> >> N x

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> >> Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 11:37

> >> Subject: A question for those with more than one

ASD child

> >>

> >>

> >> This is off topic, my 12 month old daughter, who has so far not shown any

ASD 'red flags', lined up four toy cars today, bumper to bumper and I am

panicking! My ASD 6 year old son has never lined up anything and has never shown

any interest in toy cars so it can't have been something she copied from him.

> >>

> >> I will keep a sharp eye on things but for those of you who have more than

one child with ASD please could you advise, in your opinion, what the first

signs were in your 2nd child and at what age the first signs manifested

themselves. I understand most will be different but I would still like to

compare, if you don't mind sharing. Thank you!

> >>

> >> Kind regards, Colleen

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I hesitate to suggest anything - but I wondered whether you might consider

whether to think about some basic gentle and simple biomed support eg diet at

this stage? As she is so young this would have to be carefully planned.

I was already worrying about autism with H when he was 12 months old (he had had

a very serious neurological illness of a type which is suspected of commonly

causing brain damage, so I was on the lookout and he was actually very obviously

and severely autistic even then)and went gluten-free very early (actually he'd

hardly ever had any gluten because I was delaying introducing it in any case)and

was persuaded by a charity (BIBIC) to take him off dairy before he was two - 5

months before he was diagnosed. In retrospect I think I might have looked into

the GAPS diet rather than GFCF, which can end up being full of sugar and junk

ingredients, but a good GFCF diet appears to help some children.

Another thing some people have tried here (I have not) is CEASE homeopathy,

which would not be likely to cause harm (except to the wallet, if it didn't

help). I have no idea whether it works or not but listmates can advise who they

think is the best practitioner in the UK. - I think the most experienced person

is near Milton Keynes.

Margaret

> >

> >>

> >> Hi Colleen,

> >>

> >> I do understand your concerns. This is the best approach you are doing, "

take action if you're concerned. " wait and see approach is the worse thing we

have been advised to do.

> >>

> >> The earliest signs of autism involve the absence of normal behaviours,not

the presence of abnormal ones.

> >>

> >> Early signs of autism in babies and toddlers

> >>

> >> Doesn’t make eye contact (e.g. look at you when being fed).

> >> Doesn't smile when smiled at.

> >> Doesn't respond to his or her name or to the sound of a familiar voice.

> >> Doesn’t follow objects visually.

> >> Doesn't point or wave goodbye or use other gestures to communicate.

> >> Doesn’t follow the gesture when you point things out.

> >> Doesn’t make noises to get your attention.

> >> Doesn’t initiate or respond to cuddling.

> >> Doesn’t imitate your movements and facial expressions.

> >> Doesn’t reach out to be picked up.

> >> Doesn’t play with other people or share interest and enjoyment.

> >> Doesn’t ask for help or make other basic requests.

> >> http://www.nih.gov/news/health/apr2011/nimh-28.htm

> >>

> >>

> >> my best,

> >> N x

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> >> Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 11:37

> >> Subject: A question for those with more than one

ASD child

> >>

> >>

> >> This is off topic, my 12 month old daughter, who has so far not shown any

ASD 'red flags', lined up four toy cars today, bumper to bumper and I am

panicking! My ASD 6 year old son has never lined up anything and has never shown

any interest in toy cars so it can't have been something she copied from him.

> >>

> >> I will keep a sharp eye on things but for those of you who have more than

one child with ASD please could you advise, in your opinion, what the first

signs were in your 2nd child and at what age the first signs manifested

themselves. I understand most will be different but I would still like to

compare, if you don't mind sharing. Thank you!

> >>

> >> Kind regards, Colleen

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

>