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[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting Mandi. Without sounding completely ignorant though, what is AW,s concern with mmr then - he seemed to sound in favour of single vax rather than no vax?

>>Years ago he used to say 1+1+1 does not always equal 3, 3 live vaccines given by a route not normal (they should be inhaled not injected) and its never been tested, ever. Kids were given single measles vacc's largely without issues before MMR was introduced

And how on earth did Deer get hold of those medical records?

>>That's what the parents who never gave their permission want to know but can't get anywhere with it

Mx

[Guest guest]

You do not have it in DPT anymore since 2002 or so to be precise but it used to be at least it was when my son took it ie before 2002 .....

and that is why I have seen the same symptoms with my son high fever, droopy body, convulsion etc and regression afterwards the same that many parents saw with MMR

[Guest guest]

You do not have it in DPT anymore since 2002 or so to be precise but it used to be at least it was when my son took it ie before 2002 .....

and that is why I have seen the same symptoms with my son high fever, droopy body, convulsion etc and regression afterwards the same that many parents saw with MMR

[Guest guest]

Got it - feel quite sick at what I've unwittingly taken them to have pushed in to them and wondering why we have the poblems we do, but understand debate more now. Just looked up DPT, there's 1 live virus in that combo.Just wondering now how do you know what virus is causing what problem? DOn't mean the titer testing thinking more in terms of symptoms - has thought measles was the culprit and that alone.

Janet

Re: Check out Wakefield, MD - YouTube ATT J...

Thanks for posting Mandi. Without sounding completely ignorant though, what is AW,s concern with mmr then - he seemed to sound in favour of single vax rather than no vax?

>>Years ago he used to say 1+1+1 does not always equal 3, 3 live vaccines given by a route not normal (they should be inhaled not injected) and its never been tested, ever. Kids were given single measles vacc's largely without issues before MMR was introduced

And how on earth did Deer get hold of those medical records?

>>That's what the parents who never gave their permission want to know but can't get anywhere with it

Mx

[Guest guest]

Got it - feel quite sick at what I've unwittingly taken them to have pushed in to them and wondering why we have the poblems we do, but understand debate more now. Just looked up DPT, there's 1 live virus in that combo.Just wondering now how do you know what virus is causing what problem? DOn't mean the titer testing thinking more in terms of symptoms - has thought measles was the culprit and that alone.

Janet

Re: Check out Wakefield, MD - YouTube ATT J...

Thanks for posting Mandi. Without sounding completely ignorant though, what is AW,s concern with mmr then - he seemed to sound in favour of single vax rather than no vax?

>>Years ago he used to say 1+1+1 does not always equal 3, 3 live vaccines given by a route not normal (they should be inhaled not injected) and its never been tested, ever. Kids were given single measles vacc's largely without issues before MMR was introduced

And how on earth did Deer get hold of those medical records?

>>That's what the parents who never gave their permission want to know but can't get anywhere with it

Mx

[Guest guest]

Got it - feel quite sick at what I've unwittingly taken them to have pushed in to them and wondering why we have the poblems we do, but understand debate more now. Just looked up DPT, there's 1 live virus in that combo.Just wondering now how do you know what virus is causing what problem? DOn't mean the titer testing thinking more in terms of symptoms - has thought measles was the culprit and that alone.

Janet

Re: Check out Wakefield, MD - YouTube ATT J...

Thanks for posting Mandi. Without sounding completely ignorant though, what is AW,s concern with mmr then - he seemed to sound in favour of single vax rather than no vax?

>>Years ago he used to say 1+1+1 does not always equal 3, 3 live vaccines given by a route not normal (they should be inhaled not injected) and its never been tested, ever. Kids were given single measles vacc's largely without issues before MMR was introduced

And how on earth did Deer get hold of those medical records?

>>That's what the parents who never gave their permission want to know but can't get anywhere with it

Mx

[Guest guest]

, are you referring to mercury? Didn't think that was in mmr also, thought was just in dpt until end of 2004 at least.

Janet

Re: Check out Wakefield, MD - YouTube ATT J...

You do not have it in DPT anymore since 2002 or so to be precise but it used to be at least it was when my son took it ie before 2002 .....

and that is why I have seen the same symptoms with my son high fever, droopy body, convulsion etc and regression afterwards the same that many parents saw with MMR

[Guest guest]

, are you referring to mercury? Didn't think that was in mmr also, thought was just in dpt until end of 2004 at least.

Janet

Re: Check out Wakefield, MD - YouTube ATT J...

You do not have it in DPT anymore since 2002 or so to be precise but it used to be at least it was when my son took it ie before 2002 .....

and that is why I have seen the same symptoms with my son high fever, droopy body, convulsion etc and regression afterwards the same that many parents saw with MMR

[Guest guest]

sorry,

DTP had since 1962 and up to 2004 the polio live virus in it time that was changed for a "killed " virus and the vaccine became the 5 in 1 that we know today.

My son presented the same symptoms that parents report with the MMR , my son never took the MMR, but he took the DTP before 2004 and therefore with the live virus in it.

[Guest guest]

sorry,

DTP had since 1962 and up to 2004 the polio live virus in it time that was changed for a "killed " virus and the vaccine became the 5 in 1 that we know today.

My son presented the same symptoms that parents report with the MMR , my son never took the MMR, but he took the DTP before 2004 and therefore with the live virus in it.

[Guest guest]

The DTP whole cell vaccine with thiomersal did not contain any live virus - the

thiomersal would have killed it. The P in the DTP is for pertussis. The live

poio vaccine (given at the same time usually) was a live vaccine and was given

as drops on the tongue, not injected.

Margaret

>

> sorry,

> DTP had since 1962 and up to 2004 the polio live virus in it time that was

> changed for a " killed " virus and the vaccine became the 5 in 1 that we

> know today.

>

> My son presented the same symptoms that parents report with the MMR , my

> son never took the MMR, but he took the DTP before 2004 and therefore with

> the live virus in it.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The DTP whole cell vaccine with thiomersal did not contain any live virus - the

thiomersal would have killed it. The P in the DTP is for pertussis. The live

poio vaccine (given at the same time usually) was a live vaccine and was given

as drops on the tongue, not injected.

Margaret

>

> sorry,

> DTP had since 1962 and up to 2004 the polio live virus in it time that was

> changed for a " killed " virus and the vaccine became the 5 in 1 that we

> know today.

>

> My son presented the same symptoms that parents report with the MMR , my

> son never took the MMR, but he took the DTP before 2004 and therefore with

> the live virus in it.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The DTP whole cell vaccine with thiomersal did not contain any live virus - the

thiomersal would have killed it. The P in the DTP is for pertussis. The live

poio vaccine (given at the same time usually) was a live vaccine and was given

as drops on the tongue, not injected.

Margaret

>

> sorry,

> DTP had since 1962 and up to 2004 the polio live virus in it time that was

> changed for a " killed " virus and the vaccine became the 5 in 1 that we

> know today.

>

> My son presented the same symptoms that parents report with the MMR , my

> son never took the MMR, but he took the DTP before 2004 and therefore with

> the live virus in it.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Right I understand, in that case I was wrong just now if there are no live virus then in dpt now then - thought it still contained the live polio virus. So going back to pre-2004 when I took my girls for what I thought was just one live virus (ie measles) I was taking them for several (both had dpt and mmr and boosters etc) and at the same time..They also, like your son, would have had the thermisol just to add insult to injury, one is asd the other is asthmatic.

Janet

Re: Check out Wakefield, MD - YouTube ATT J...

sorry,

DTP had since 1962 and up to 2004 the polio live virus in it time that was changed for a "killed " virus and the vaccine became the 5 in 1 that we know today.

My son presented the same symptoms that parents report with the MMR , my son never took the MMR, but he took the DTP before 2004 and therefore with the live virus in it.

[Guest guest]

Right I understand, in that case I was wrong just now if there are no live virus then in dpt now then - thought it still contained the live polio virus. So going back to pre-2004 when I took my girls for what I thought was just one live virus (ie measles) I was taking them for several (both had dpt and mmr and boosters etc) and at the same time..They also, like your son, would have had the thermisol just to add insult to injury, one is asd the other is asthmatic.

Janet

Re: Check out Wakefield, MD - YouTube ATT J...

sorry,

DTP had since 1962 and up to 2004 the polio live virus in it time that was changed for a "killed " virus and the vaccine became the 5 in 1 that we know today.

My son presented the same symptoms that parents report with the MMR , my son never took the MMR, but he took the DTP before 2004 and therefore with the live virus in it.

[Guest guest]

I think it was 2004 in the UK but we never found out whether there was a recall of what was already in the system so could have been in vaccs as late as 2006/7

Mx

You do not have it in DPT anymore since 2002 or so to be precise but it used to be at least it was when my son took it ie before 2002 .....

and that is why I have seen the same symptoms with my son high fever, droopy body, convulsion etc and regression afterwards the same that many parents saw with MMR

[Guest guest]

I think it was 2004 in the UK but we never found out whether there was a recall of what was already in the system so could have been in vaccs as late as 2006/7

Mx

You do not have it in DPT anymore since 2002 or so to be precise but it used to be at least it was when my son took it ie before 2002 .....

and that is why I have seen the same symptoms with my son high fever, droopy body, convulsion etc and regression afterwards the same that many parents saw with MMR

[Guest guest]

I think it was 2004 in the UK but we never found out whether there was a recall of what was already in the system so could have been in vaccs as late as 2006/7

Mx

You do not have it in DPT anymore since 2002 or so to be precise but it used to be at least it was when my son took it ie before 2002 .....

and that is why I have seen the same symptoms with my son high fever, droopy body, convulsion etc and regression afterwards the same that many parents saw with MMR

[Guest guest]

Natasha

I agree that was our case...

claudia

[Guest guest]

Natasha

I agree that was our case...

claudia

[Guest guest]

Sam didn't have the MMR, lord knows what state he would be in if he had, DPT and dental treatment in first trimester took him out

And of course toxic mother and extra maleness (47XYY chromosome disorder)

Mx

Natasha

I agree that was our case...

claudia