Re: Re: (OT) Big day in France for autism families

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http://www.lavoixdunord.fr/actualite/L_info_en_continu/Metropole_Lilloise/2012/01/26/article_le-mur-documentaire-sur-l-autisme-de-sop.shtml ...it's so painful De: Margaret Para: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Enviado: Jueves, enero 26, 2012 9:17 P.M. Asunto: Re: (OT) Big day in France for autism families

Bad news - the psychoanalysts won the court case. I don't know whether there will be an appeal. The parents and the film maker will carry on getting the tuth out in the open.

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> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Date: Thursday, 26 January, 2012, 14:02

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> A Court judgment should be delivered today which will rule whether or not a film about autism and psychoanalysis in France can be suppressed. If the defendants (the documentary maker and an autism charity) win, the film will be shown on French TV. If they lose they may have to pay the plaintiffs (three of the psychoanalysts who appear in the film) as awful lot in damages.

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> You can watch the film on YouTube - it has subtitles and is 52 minutes long.

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUFMYythJQ

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> It is very shocking - and marvellous that the film maker managed to get so many psychoanalysts to reveal their views about autism being, basically, a psychosis. They hate behavioural methods. They refuse to give weight to the considerable scientific research which shows autism is a neuro-developmental disorder. They are anti the USA and anti science. Their behaviour has many of the characteristics of a cult.

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> For decades in France Lacanian psychoanalysis (they also generally support Bettelheim) has blamed the parents for the child's autism. The autistic child has been seen by these professionals as mentally ill and often the children have been taken away from the families and put into institutions. One 'treatment' has been to wrap the child tightly in wet freezing cold sheets - they call this 'packing'.

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> Five or 6 years ago the Council of Europe criticised France for failing to educate children with autism. They don't get an education because the psychoanalysts say they are sick and need treatment, not education.

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> There has been criticism of the psychoanalytic stranglehold from French families for several years. There is a tiny movement speaking out against packing, against incarceration and in favour of ABA, PECS, TEACCH and other approaches.

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> The psychoanalytic establishment in the face of this criticism is now claiming they are in favour of a variety of approaches. Actually they aren't, as the film -maker's website shows clearly.

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> http://psychanalysedevoilee.oceaninvisibleproductions.com/

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> I really hope that the psychoanalysts lose their case and that the film is shown on public TV in France. This ought to have a big effect in finally ending these abusive practices and free up the money to be used to help the children with autism.

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http://www.lavoixdunord.fr/actualite/L_info_en_continu/Metropole_Lilloise/2012/01/26/article_le-mur-documentaire-sur-l-autisme-de-sop.shtml ...it's so painful De: Margaret Para: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Enviado: Jueves, enero 26, 2012 9:17 P.M. Asunto: Re: (OT) Big day in France for autism families

Bad news - the psychoanalysts won the court case. I don't know whether there will be an appeal. The parents and the film maker will carry on getting the tuth out in the open.

Margaret

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> Subject: (OT) Big day in France for autism families

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Date: Thursday, 26 January, 2012, 14:02

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> A Court judgment should be delivered today which will rule whether or not a film about autism and psychoanalysis in France can be suppressed. If the defendants (the documentary maker and an autism charity) win, the film will be shown on French TV. If they lose they may have to pay the plaintiffs (three of the psychoanalysts who appear in the film) as awful lot in damages.

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> You can watch the film on YouTube - it has subtitles and is 52 minutes long.

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUFMYythJQ

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> It is very shocking - and marvellous that the film maker managed to get so many psychoanalysts to reveal their views about autism being, basically, a psychosis. They hate behavioural methods. They refuse to give weight to the considerable scientific research which shows autism is a neuro-developmental disorder. They are anti the USA and anti science. Their behaviour has many of the characteristics of a cult.

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> For decades in France Lacanian psychoanalysis (they also generally support Bettelheim) has blamed the parents for the child's autism. The autistic child has been seen by these professionals as mentally ill and often the children have been taken away from the families and put into institutions. One 'treatment' has been to wrap the child tightly in wet freezing cold sheets - they call this 'packing'.

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> Five or 6 years ago the Council of Europe criticised France for failing to educate children with autism. They don't get an education because the psychoanalysts say they are sick and need treatment, not education.

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> There has been criticism of the psychoanalytic stranglehold from French families for several years. There is a tiny movement speaking out against packing, against incarceration and in favour of ABA, PECS, TEACCH and other approaches.

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> The psychoanalytic establishment in the face of this criticism is now claiming they are in favour of a variety of approaches. Actually they aren't, as the film -maker's website shows clearly.

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> http://psychanalysedevoilee.oceaninvisibleproductions.com/

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> I really hope that the psychoanalysts lose their case and that the film is shown on public TV in France. This ought to have a big effect in finally ending these abusive practices and free up the money to be used to help the children with autism.

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> Margaret

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http://www.lavoixdunord.fr/actualite/L_info_en_continu/Metropole_Lilloise/2012/01/26/article_le-mur-documentaire-sur-l-autisme-de-sop.shtml ...it's so painful De: Margaret Para: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Enviado: Jueves, enero 26, 2012 9:17 P.M. Asunto: Re: (OT) Big day in France for autism families

Bad news - the psychoanalysts won the court case. I don't know whether there will be an appeal. The parents and the film maker will carry on getting the tuth out in the open.

Margaret

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> Subject: (OT) Big day in France for autism families

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Date: Thursday, 26 January, 2012, 14:02

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> A Court judgment should be delivered today which will rule whether or not a film about autism and psychoanalysis in France can be suppressed. If the defendants (the documentary maker and an autism charity) win, the film will be shown on French TV. If they lose they may have to pay the plaintiffs (three of the psychoanalysts who appear in the film) as awful lot in damages.

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> You can watch the film on YouTube - it has subtitles and is 52 minutes long.

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUFMYythJQ

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> It is very shocking - and marvellous that the film maker managed to get so many psychoanalysts to reveal their views about autism being, basically, a psychosis. They hate behavioural methods. They refuse to give weight to the considerable scientific research which shows autism is a neuro-developmental disorder. They are anti the USA and anti science. Their behaviour has many of the characteristics of a cult.

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> For decades in France Lacanian psychoanalysis (they also generally support Bettelheim) has blamed the parents for the child's autism. The autistic child has been seen by these professionals as mentally ill and often the children have been taken away from the families and put into institutions. One 'treatment' has been to wrap the child tightly in wet freezing cold sheets - they call this 'packing'.

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> Five or 6 years ago the Council of Europe criticised France for failing to educate children with autism. They don't get an education because the psychoanalysts say they are sick and need treatment, not education.

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> There has been criticism of the psychoanalytic stranglehold from French families for several years. There is a tiny movement speaking out against packing, against incarceration and in favour of ABA, PECS, TEACCH and other approaches.

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> The psychoanalytic establishment in the face of this criticism is now claiming they are in favour of a variety of approaches. Actually they aren't, as the film -maker's website shows clearly.

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> http://psychanalysedevoilee.oceaninvisibleproductions.com/

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> I really hope that the psychoanalysts lose their case and that the film is shown on public TV in France. This ought to have a big effect in finally ending these abusive practices and free up the money to be used to help the children with autism.

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> Margaret

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So would they be able to show it in the UK at on of the TA conferences?? How far does French law reach?? To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012, 20:17 Subject: Re: (OT) Big day in France for autism families

Bad news - the psychoanalysts won the court case. I don't know whether there will be an appeal. The parents and the film maker will carry on getting the tuth out in the open.

Margaret

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> Subject: (OT) Big day in France for autism families

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Date: Thursday, 26 January, 2012, 14:02

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> A Court judgment should be delivered today which will rule whether or not a film about autism and psychoanalysis in France can be suppressed. If the defendants (the documentary maker and an autism charity) win, the film will be shown on French TV. If they lose they may have to pay the plaintiffs (three of the psychoanalysts who appear in the film) as awful lot in damages.

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> You can watch the film on YouTube - it has subtitles and is 52 minutes long.

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUFMYythJQ

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> It is very shocking - and marvellous that the film maker managed to get so many psychoanalysts to reveal their views about autism being, basically, a psychosis. They hate behavioural methods. They refuse to give weight to the considerable scientific research which shows autism is a neuro-developmental disorder. They are anti the USA and anti science. Their behaviour has many of the characteristics of a cult.

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> For decades in France Lacanian psychoanalysis (they also generally support Bettelheim) has blamed the parents for the child's autism. The autistic child has been seen by these professionals as mentally ill and often the children have been taken away from the families and put into institutions. One 'treatment' has been to wrap the child tightly in wet freezing cold sheets - they call this 'packing'.

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> Five or 6 years ago the Council of Europe criticised France for failing to educate children with autism. They don't get an education because the psychoanalysts say they are sick and need treatment, not education.

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> There has been criticism of the psychoanalytic stranglehold from French families for several years. There is a tiny movement speaking out against packing, against incarceration and in favour of ABA, PECS, TEACCH and other approaches.

>

> The psychoanalytic establishment in the face of this criticism is now claiming they are in favour of a variety of approaches. Actually they aren't, as the film -maker's website shows clearly.

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> http://psychanalysedevoilee.oceaninvisibleproductions.com/

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> I really hope that the psychoanalysts lose their case and that the film is shown on public TV in France. This ought to have a big effect in finally ending these abusive practices and free up the money to be used to help the children with autism.

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> Margaret

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be aware that above French law and UK law you EU law that rules certain subjects an one of them is authors and image rights and all EU countries have to obey so be aware that the people involve may have some rights .....it is a question of investigation and be sure under what circumstances can be done, to be on the safe side.

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be aware that above French law and UK law you EU law that rules certain subjects an one of them is authors and image rights and all EU countries have to obey so be aware that the people involve may have some rights .....it is a question of investigation and be sure under what circumstances can be done, to be on the safe side.

[Guest guest]

be aware that above French law and UK law you EU law that rules certain subjects an one of them is authors and image rights and all EU countries have to obey so be aware that the people involve may have some rights .....it is a question of investigation and be sure under what circumstances can be done, to be on the safe side.

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This really is so depressing. I found it really hard to watch.Zahra To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012, 20:17 Subject: Re: (OT) Big day in France for autism families

Bad news - the psychoanalysts won the court case. I don't know whether there will be an appeal. The parents and the film maker will carry on getting the tuth out in the open.

Margaret

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> Subject: (OT) Big day in France for autism families

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Date: Thursday, 26 January, 2012, 14:02

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> A Court judgment should be delivered today which will rule whether or not a film about autism and psychoanalysis in France can be suppressed. If the defendants (the documentary maker and an autism charity) win, the film will be shown on French TV. If they lose they may have to pay the plaintiffs (three of the psychoanalysts who appear in the film) as awful lot in damages.

>

> You can watch the film on YouTube - it has subtitles and is 52 minutes long.

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUFMYythJQ

>

> It is very shocking - and marvellous that the film maker managed to get so many psychoanalysts to reveal their views about autism being, basically, a psychosis. They hate behavioural methods. They refuse to give weight to the considerable scientific research which shows autism is a neuro-developmental disorder. They are anti the USA and anti science. Their behaviour has many of the characteristics of a cult.

>

> For decades in France Lacanian psychoanalysis (they also generally support Bettelheim) has blamed the parents for the child's autism. The autistic child has been seen by these professionals as mentally ill and often the children have been taken away from the families and put into institutions. One 'treatment' has been to wrap the child tightly in wet freezing cold sheets - they call this 'packing'.

>

> Five or 6 years ago the Council of Europe criticised France for failing to educate children with autism. They don't get an education because the psychoanalysts say they are sick and need treatment, not education.

>

> There has been criticism of the psychoanalytic stranglehold from French families for several years. There is a tiny movement speaking out against packing, against incarceration and in favour of ABA, PECS, TEACCH and other approaches.

>

> The psychoanalytic establishment in the face of this criticism is now claiming they are in favour of a variety of approaches. Actually they aren't, as the film -maker's website shows clearly.

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> http://psychanalysedevoilee.oceaninvisibleproductions.com/

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> I really hope that the psychoanalysts lose their case and that the film is shown on public TV in France. This ought to have a big effect in finally ending these abusive practices and free up the money to be used to help the children with autism.

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> Margaret

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