Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Have managed to break off half a tooth and a filling fell out eating popcorn so need to see a dentist this afternoon as I am in allot of pain. I'm still waiting to see a specialist for the safe removal of 11 amalgams (think it's 9 now after the popcorn). It's a lengthy process here as you need a referral. My regular dentist uses a dam but no oxygen mask. The two broken teeth lay between amalgams and the plan is just to patch up with composite fillings until I finally get to the specialist but in case he needs to drill a bit I'm posting to see what I can do to help myself. Apart from the antioxidants I was thinking charcoal but don't want to mop up the supps too. Can't do sauna's as still have amalgams, can take Epsom salts baths, anything else I'm not thinking of? Would appreciate any tips as with the last removal I've had such severe problems and I'm panicking. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Ouch sorry to hear! Speaking from my experience a 'mercury free' dentist does not necessarily mean a good one, and in my case wasn't worth it at all!! Some of the replacements were ok-ish, some of them not so well done. Luckily I have managed to find (stumbled across) a really good and knowledgable 'normal' dentist, who is now repairing and redoing some of the Very expensive 'mercury-free' mistakes. He is also much more knowledgable in general about health – dental and otherwise, than the mercury-free one. Has replaced few of my remaining amalgams with no problems at all. In other words better go with a very good dentist if you can find one to replace your amalgams (just take loads of activated charcoal before and after procedures), than a mercury–free one, unless of course absolutely 100% sure that the fees are justified and that the person is top notch. Just my experience. Best of luck, hope you sort it out quickly. Natasa Reply-To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:09:04 -0000To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >Subject: OT Emergency dental work Have managed to break off half a tooth and a filling fell out eating popcorn so need to see a dentist this afternoon as I am in allot of pain. I'm still waiting to see a specialist for the safe removal of 11 amalgams (think it's 9 now after the popcorn). It's a lengthy process here as you need a referral. My regular dentist uses a dam but no oxygen mask. The two broken teeth lay between amalgams and the plan is just to patch up with composite fillings until I finally get to the specialist but in case he needs to drill a bit I'm posting to see what I can do to help myself. Apart from the antioxidants I was thinking charcoal but don't want to mop up the supps too. Can't do sauna's as still have amalgams, can take Epsom salts baths, anything else I'm not thinking of? Would appreciate any tips as with the last removal I've had such severe problems and I'm panicking. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Ouch sorry to hear! Speaking from my experience a 'mercury free' dentist does not necessarily mean a good one, and in my case wasn't worth it at all!! Some of the replacements were ok-ish, some of them not so well done. Luckily I have managed to find (stumbled across) a really good and knowledgable 'normal' dentist, who is now repairing and redoing some of the Very expensive 'mercury-free' mistakes. He is also much more knowledgable in general about health – dental and otherwise, than the mercury-free one. Has replaced few of my remaining amalgams with no problems at all. In other words better go with a very good dentist if you can find one to replace your amalgams (just take loads of activated charcoal before and after procedures), than a mercury–free one, unless of course absolutely 100% sure that the fees are justified and that the person is top notch. Just my experience. Best of luck, hope you sort it out quickly. Natasa Reply-To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:09:04 -0000To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >Subject: OT Emergency dental work Have managed to break off half a tooth and a filling fell out eating popcorn so need to see a dentist this afternoon as I am in allot of pain. I'm still waiting to see a specialist for the safe removal of 11 amalgams (think it's 9 now after the popcorn). It's a lengthy process here as you need a referral. My regular dentist uses a dam but no oxygen mask. The two broken teeth lay between amalgams and the plan is just to patch up with composite fillings until I finally get to the specialist but in case he needs to drill a bit I'm posting to see what I can do to help myself. Apart from the antioxidants I was thinking charcoal but don't want to mop up the supps too. Can't do sauna's as still have amalgams, can take Epsom salts baths, anything else I'm not thinking of? Would appreciate any tips as with the last removal I've had such severe problems and I'm panicking. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 I didn't in the end go to a mercury-free dentist to get my amalgams out - for the following reasons: 1. No-one local I thought was competent.You need a good and competent dentist, not just someone who can take out amalgams for you. 2. Couldn't afford to travel and go to someone expensive a long way away. 3. I knew my dentist was very competent, and conservative in that he never proposes unnecessary work (and he's in private practice, so the more work he does, the more money he makes). He doesn't like replacing fillings unless they are worn out. I knew his composite fillings lasted, whereas I had one done elsewhere which fell out after a few months. The first amalgam I had out we used a dam - but I had terrible problems with inflammation afterwards and eventually the tooth had to be root-canalled because of the inflammation and I had to have a gold crown. I think the inflammation was made worse by use of the dam - it really hurt pushing it between my very tightly packed teeth. He didn't just drill out the amalgam - as far as possible he picked it out in lumps. I mader a mistake in having 3 amalgams out on the first occasion - all on the same side of the mouth. I did go off balance emotionally for a while - but I also had a severely autistic non-verbal child and we weren't getting any early intervention to help us and I tried to get his father to get family help to start an ABA programme but he refused to lift a finger. I cracked soon after in desperation and despair. Hard to know what was caused by the dentistry and what by the situation with Henry. (Over three years later I got Henry an ABA programme funded by the local authority.) I didn't have any of the rest of the amalgams out for another 2 or 3 years and then only as they wore out, one at a time. No problems this time. The dentist's composite fillings have lasted in the upper molars and in one of the three lower molars I had done. In the other two, inflammation etc led to root canalling and gold crowns over the years. If the amalgams are large and on hard-working teeth eg molars then it is more likely there will be problems after removal with inflammation and/or fillings not lasting. The skill of the dentist in doing composites is very important and makes (I believe) a big difference as to how long they last. Margaret > > Ouch sorry to hear! > > Speaking from my experience a 'mercury free' dentist does not necessarily > mean a good one, and in my case wasn't worth it at all!! Some of the > replacements were ok-ish, some of them not so well done. Luckily I have > managed to find (stumbled across) a really good and knowledgable 'normal' > dentist, who is now repairing and redoing some of the Very expensive > 'mercury-free' mistakes. He is also much more knowledgable in general about > health dental and otherwise, than the mercury-free one. Has replaced few > of my remaining amalgams with no problems at all. > > In other words better go with a very good dentist if you can find one to > replace your amalgams (just take loads of activated charcoal before and > after procedures), than a mercuryfree one, unless of course absolutely 100% > sure that the fees are justified and that the person is top notch. Just my > experience. > > Best of luck, hope you sort it out quickly. > > Natasa > > > > > Reply-To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe " > <Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:09:04 -0000 > To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe " > <Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > Subject: OT Emergency dental work > > > > > > > Have managed to break off half a tooth and a filling fell out eating popcorn > so need to see a dentist this afternoon as I am in allot of pain. > I'm still waiting to see a specialist for the safe removal of 11 amalgams > (think it's 9 now after the popcorn). It's a lengthy process here as you > need a referral. My regular dentist uses a dam but no oxygen mask. > The two broken teeth lay between amalgams and the plan is just to patch up > with composite fillings until I finally get to the specialist but in case he > needs to drill a bit I'm posting to see what I can do to help myself. > Apart from the antioxidants I was thinking charcoal but don't want to mop up > the supps too. Can't do sauna's as still have amalgams, can take Epsom salts > baths, anything else I'm not thinking of? > Would appreciate any tips as with the last removal I've had such severe > problems and I'm panicking. > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 I didn't in the end go to a mercury-free dentist to get my amalgams out - for the following reasons: 1. No-one local I thought was competent.You need a good and competent dentist, not just someone who can take out amalgams for you. 2. Couldn't afford to travel and go to someone expensive a long way away. 3. I knew my dentist was very competent, and conservative in that he never proposes unnecessary work (and he's in private practice, so the more work he does, the more money he makes). He doesn't like replacing fillings unless they are worn out. I knew his composite fillings lasted, whereas I had one done elsewhere which fell out after a few months. The first amalgam I had out we used a dam - but I had terrible problems with inflammation afterwards and eventually the tooth had to be root-canalled because of the inflammation and I had to have a gold crown. I think the inflammation was made worse by use of the dam - it really hurt pushing it between my very tightly packed teeth. He didn't just drill out the amalgam - as far as possible he picked it out in lumps. I mader a mistake in having 3 amalgams out on the first occasion - all on the same side of the mouth. I did go off balance emotionally for a while - but I also had a severely autistic non-verbal child and we weren't getting any early intervention to help us and I tried to get his father to get family help to start an ABA programme but he refused to lift a finger. I cracked soon after in desperation and despair. Hard to know what was caused by the dentistry and what by the situation with Henry. (Over three years later I got Henry an ABA programme funded by the local authority.) I didn't have any of the rest of the amalgams out for another 2 or 3 years and then only as they wore out, one at a time. No problems this time. The dentist's composite fillings have lasted in the upper molars and in one of the three lower molars I had done. In the other two, inflammation etc led to root canalling and gold crowns over the years. If the amalgams are large and on hard-working teeth eg molars then it is more likely there will be problems after removal with inflammation and/or fillings not lasting. The skill of the dentist in doing composites is very important and makes (I believe) a big difference as to how long they last. Margaret > > Ouch sorry to hear! > > Speaking from my experience a 'mercury free' dentist does not necessarily > mean a good one, and in my case wasn't worth it at all!! Some of the > replacements were ok-ish, some of them not so well done. Luckily I have > managed to find (stumbled across) a really good and knowledgable 'normal' > dentist, who is now repairing and redoing some of the Very expensive > 'mercury-free' mistakes. He is also much more knowledgable in general about > health dental and otherwise, than the mercury-free one. Has replaced few > of my remaining amalgams with no problems at all. > > In other words better go with a very good dentist if you can find one to > replace your amalgams (just take loads of activated charcoal before and > after procedures), than a mercuryfree one, unless of course absolutely 100% > sure that the fees are justified and that the person is top notch. Just my > experience. > > Best of luck, hope you sort it out quickly. > > Natasa > > > > > Reply-To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe " > <Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:09:04 -0000 > To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe " > <Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > Subject: OT Emergency dental work > > > > > > > Have managed to break off half a tooth and a filling fell out eating popcorn > so need to see a dentist this afternoon as I am in allot of pain. > I'm still waiting to see a specialist for the safe removal of 11 amalgams > (think it's 9 now after the popcorn). It's a lengthy process here as you > need a referral. My regular dentist uses a dam but no oxygen mask. > The two broken teeth lay between amalgams and the plan is just to patch up > with composite fillings until I finally get to the specialist but in case he > needs to drill a bit I'm posting to see what I can do to help myself. > Apart from the antioxidants I was thinking charcoal but don't want to mop up > the supps too. Can't do sauna's as still have amalgams, can take Epsom salts > baths, anything else I'm not thinking of? > Would appreciate any tips as with the last removal I've had such severe > problems and I'm panicking. > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Mandi, Margaret and Natasa,Thanks so much for your replies.One tooth had broken off leaving a small amalgam in the center. There wasn't visibly anything wrong with the other one, it had a composite overlay and although it hurt it xray'd clear. He said that even though it didn't show up, it means that there is probably an abscess because the pain is inside the tooth and I keep putting my tongue there to feel it. He said if the pain continues it means root canal treatment but to see how I go.Last time I was there we talked about how bad I felt after the last removal and why etc... To his credit, he had done allot of research and contacted the right people at the Swedish Dentist association to find out exactly what to do do remove them properly. He had printed out allot of information and we went through it. He had also spoken to biological dentists here in Sweden. Here the doctor does the diagnosis of metal toxicity so that the patient gets to a specialist where they have access to safe removal and support. The dentist cannot otherwise refer them. I told him I'm not interested in going through the process to get a diagnosis, I'm just interested in safe removal. So anyway, yesterday he removed the small amalgam left in the tooth as no point patching it up with it left in there. That was my choice but he was very good, drilling was really very quick and he took out what he could in small bits. He used a dam and even my nose was covered. They had suction and water all the time and even though it was 2 degrees he opened the windows and we had great air flow in there...brrr! But they didn't mind, they are nice people and only want to help.Anyway, in future he is finding out where he can get the oxygen for me. I don't have allot of choices here and like Margaret said, travelling is so expensive, it's hard. We'll see. I'm not planning to take them all out at once but I know I'll probably have problems with them as they've been in for over 20 years. I have 10 left and have a special needs child and family that need me so slowly does it and we'll see how I feel after this removal. Thanks again for the replies and advice, x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 2:42 PM Subject: Re: OT Emergency dental work I didn't in the end go to a mercury-free dentist to get my amalgams out - for the following reasons: 1. No-one local I thought was competent.You need a good and competent dentist, not just someone who can take out amalgams for you. 2. Couldn't afford to travel and go to someone expensive a long way away. 3. I knew my dentist was very competent, and conservative in that he never proposes unnecessary work (and he's in private practice, so the more work he does, the more money he makes). He doesn't like replacing fillings unless they are worn out. I knew his composite fillings lasted, whereas I had one done elsewhere which fell out after a few months. The first amalgam I had out we used a dam - but I had terrible problems with inflammation afterwards and eventually the tooth had to be root-canalled because of the inflammation and I had to have a gold crown. I think the inflammation was made worse by use of the dam - it really hurt pushing it between my very tightly packed teeth. He didn't just drill out the amalgam - as far as possible he picked it out in lumps. I mader a mistake in having 3 amalgams out on the first occasion - all on the same side of the mouth. I did go off balance emotionally for a while - but I also had a severely autistic non-verbal child and we weren't getting any early intervention to help us and I tried to get his father to get family help to start an ABA programme but he refused to lift a finger. I cracked soon after in desperation and despair. Hard to know what was caused by the dentistry and what by the situation with Henry. (Over three years later I got Henry an ABA programme funded by the local authority.) I didn't have any of the rest of the amalgams out for another 2 or 3 years and then only as they wore out, one at a time. No problems this time. The dentist's composite fillings have lasted in the upper molars and in one of the three lower molars I had done. In the other two, inflammation etc led to root canalling and gold crowns over the years. If the amalgams are large and on hard-working teeth eg molars then it is more likely there will be problems after removal with inflammation and/or fillings not lasting. The skill of the dentist in doing composites is very important and makes (I believe) a big difference as to how long they last. Margaret > > Ouch sorry to hear! > > Speaking from my experience a 'mercury free' dentist does not necessarily > mean a good one, and in my case wasn't worth it at all!! Some of the > replacements were ok-ish, some of them not so well done. Luckily I have > managed to find (stumbled across) a really good and knowledgable 'normal' > dentist, who is now repairing and redoing some of the Very expensive > 'mercury-free' mistakes. He is also much more knowledgable in general about > health  dental and otherwise, than the mercury-free one. Has replaced few > of my remaining amalgams with no problems at all. > > In other words better go with a very good dentist if you can find one to > replace your amalgams (just take loads of activated charcoal before and > after procedures), than a mercuryÂfree one, unless of course absolutely 100% > sure that the fees are justified and that the person is top notch. Just my > experience. > > Best of luck, hope you sort it out quickly. > > Natasa > > > > > Reply-To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " > <Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:09:04 -0000 > To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " > <Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > Subject: OT Emergency dental work > > > > > > > Have managed to break off half a tooth and a filling fell out eating popcorn > so need to see a dentist this afternoon as I am in allot of pain. > I'm still waiting to see a specialist for the safe removal of 11 amalgams > (think it's 9 now after the popcorn). It's a lengthy process here as you > need a referral. My regular dentist uses a dam but no oxygen mask. > The two broken teeth lay between amalgams and the plan is just to patch up > with composite fillings until I finally get to the specialist but in case he > needs to drill a bit I'm posting to see what I can do to help myself. > Apart from the antioxidants I was thinking charcoal but don't want to mop up > the supps too. Can't do sauna's as still have amalgams, can take Epsom salts > baths, anything else I'm not thinking of? > Would appreciate any tips as with the last removal I've had such severe > problems and I'm panicking. > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Mandi, Margaret and Natasa,Thanks so much for your replies.One tooth had broken off leaving a small amalgam in the center. There wasn't visibly anything wrong with the other one, it had a composite overlay and although it hurt it xray'd clear. He said that even though it didn't show up, it means that there is probably an abscess because the pain is inside the tooth and I keep putting my tongue there to feel it. He said if the pain continues it means root canal treatment but to see how I go.Last time I was there we talked about how bad I felt after the last removal and why etc... To his credit, he had done allot of research and contacted the right people at the Swedish Dentist association to find out exactly what to do do remove them properly. He had printed out allot of information and we went through it. He had also spoken to biological dentists here in Sweden. Here the doctor does the diagnosis of metal toxicity so that the patient gets to a specialist where they have access to safe removal and support. The dentist cannot otherwise refer them. I told him I'm not interested in going through the process to get a diagnosis, I'm just interested in safe removal. So anyway, yesterday he removed the small amalgam left in the tooth as no point patching it up with it left in there. That was my choice but he was very good, drilling was really very quick and he took out what he could in small bits. He used a dam and even my nose was covered. They had suction and water all the time and even though it was 2 degrees he opened the windows and we had great air flow in there...brrr! But they didn't mind, they are nice people and only want to help.Anyway, in future he is finding out where he can get the oxygen for me. I don't have allot of choices here and like Margaret said, travelling is so expensive, it's hard. We'll see. I'm not planning to take them all out at once but I know I'll probably have problems with them as they've been in for over 20 years. I have 10 left and have a special needs child and family that need me so slowly does it and we'll see how I feel after this removal. Thanks again for the replies and advice, x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 2:42 PM Subject: Re: OT Emergency dental work I didn't in the end go to a mercury-free dentist to get my amalgams out - for the following reasons: 1. No-one local I thought was competent.You need a good and competent dentist, not just someone who can take out amalgams for you. 2. Couldn't afford to travel and go to someone expensive a long way away. 3. I knew my dentist was very competent, and conservative in that he never proposes unnecessary work (and he's in private practice, so the more work he does, the more money he makes). He doesn't like replacing fillings unless they are worn out. I knew his composite fillings lasted, whereas I had one done elsewhere which fell out after a few months. The first amalgam I had out we used a dam - but I had terrible problems with inflammation afterwards and eventually the tooth had to be root-canalled because of the inflammation and I had to have a gold crown. I think the inflammation was made worse by use of the dam - it really hurt pushing it between my very tightly packed teeth. He didn't just drill out the amalgam - as far as possible he picked it out in lumps. I mader a mistake in having 3 amalgams out on the first occasion - all on the same side of the mouth. I did go off balance emotionally for a while - but I also had a severely autistic non-verbal child and we weren't getting any early intervention to help us and I tried to get his father to get family help to start an ABA programme but he refused to lift a finger. I cracked soon after in desperation and despair. Hard to know what was caused by the dentistry and what by the situation with Henry. (Over three years later I got Henry an ABA programme funded by the local authority.) I didn't have any of the rest of the amalgams out for another 2 or 3 years and then only as they wore out, one at a time. No problems this time. The dentist's composite fillings have lasted in the upper molars and in one of the three lower molars I had done. In the other two, inflammation etc led to root canalling and gold crowns over the years. If the amalgams are large and on hard-working teeth eg molars then it is more likely there will be problems after removal with inflammation and/or fillings not lasting. The skill of the dentist in doing composites is very important and makes (I believe) a big difference as to how long they last. Margaret > > Ouch sorry to hear! > > Speaking from my experience a 'mercury free' dentist does not necessarily > mean a good one, and in my case wasn't worth it at all!! Some of the > replacements were ok-ish, some of them not so well done. Luckily I have > managed to find (stumbled across) a really good and knowledgable 'normal' > dentist, who is now repairing and redoing some of the Very expensive > 'mercury-free' mistakes. He is also much more knowledgable in general about > health  dental and otherwise, than the mercury-free one. Has replaced few > of my remaining amalgams with no problems at all. > > In other words better go with a very good dentist if you can find one to > replace your amalgams (just take loads of activated charcoal before and > after procedures), than a mercuryÂfree one, unless of course absolutely 100% > sure that the fees are justified and that the person is top notch. Just my > experience. > > Best of luck, hope you sort it out quickly. > > Natasa > > > > > Reply-To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " > <Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:09:04 -0000 > To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " > <Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > Subject: OT Emergency dental work > > > > > > > Have managed to break off half a tooth and a filling fell out eating popcorn > so need to see a dentist this afternoon as I am in allot of pain. > I'm still waiting to see a specialist for the safe removal of 11 amalgams > (think it's 9 now after the popcorn). It's a lengthy process here as you > need a referral. My regular dentist uses a dam but no oxygen mask. > The two broken teeth lay between amalgams and the plan is just to patch up > with composite fillings until I finally get to the specialist but in case he > needs to drill a bit I'm posting to see what I can do to help myself. > Apart from the antioxidants I was thinking charcoal but don't want to mop up > the supps too. Can't do sauna's as still have amalgams, can take Epsom salts > baths, anything else I'm not thinking of? > Would appreciate any tips as with the last removal I've had such severe > problems and I'm panicking. > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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