Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

December 21, 2011

Hi Janet,Yes I sincerely hope that both of us will get there. I have a question though and it's a genuine question, I'd really like to know something. What does Yasko use to clear metals with? Or does she say that by righting the methylation cycle that metals are excreted? Even from the brain? I ask as I am positive that problems lay with metals being in my son's brain and so I'm very curious? I thought that is

was ALA that could remove metals from the brain which is why I am doing ac chelation.Again, this is a sincere question and my apologies if I'm a bit behind. I've been at biomed a few years now but have never looked into Yasko.Thanks, x To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:01 PM Subject: RE: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I think we're probably talking at cross-purposes, as others have said yasko leads many to recovery without using chelating agents, in these cases it fixes the dodgy meth. cycle so the body can rid itself of heavy metals- ie the metals are got rid not left doing their horrendous damage. I know we're all in the same position of trying so hard for our childrens' sakes, you too want the best for your son's recovery - we may choose different routes to get there but hopefully we will. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:08:47 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi Janet,I didn't mean to offend, my apologies if I did. You wrote that you were wondering if your daughter will be OK because the mercury had messed with her methylation more then you realised. I feel exactly the same way as you do only I feel that our chance will be with ac chelation, hence I wrote I understand we all have different opinions and I respect that. I'm in the same situation as you with a son who is severely affected and I want my son back

too.Again, my apologies if I offended you, that was not my intention. x To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Wedne

sday, December 21, 2011 7:46 PM Subject: RE: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi , I appreciate what you say but i don't intend to not do anything to clear these metals - i have a daughter who was bright and articulate until her last set of vaccines. She now struggles to speak and has numerous tics, food sensitivities, sleep probs etc - i want her back - whether that's through yasko or ac chelation, or a combination of both i am not accepting doing nothing. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:13:08 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PM Subject:<

/span> Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

No its not the one that comes with the test kit, its one you have to buy from HHI - its around £50 but worth every penny (even if you don't fully pursue yasko). It gives a step by step guide of which order to address the mutations as until certain ones are dealt with it can do more harm to move on - especially CBS.

eg If you have CBS+ which is actually presenting as a problem, any methylation support with actually increase ammonia unless you stabilise the CBS activity.I'm reading it for about the 4th time and each time it makes more and more sense.

Totally agree with you both about cost - it will only be managable for a short period but even just having the genetics and correct interpretation of them will always give a wealth of knowledge for the future and help decide any plan of action. For us its made so many things make sense instead of guessing all the time.

We've just sent a batch of tests off and the cost of the shipping alone has been ridiculous - as Mandi mentioned my daughter has other complications and is quite ill so we really don't have a choice. I'm hoping once we see some significant improvement I can get her NHS Dr's more interested as they have to treat her blood condition any way.

Its a shame we can't send tests back to Doctors data in UK instead of USA and then them send the results onto her - this would get rid of expensive shipping and customs complications.

BWAlison R

Thanks Alison - i think i've read it yes - if it is part of the literature that came with the cd-rom and meth. panel then have gone through it. That was also my understanding about her model, with the latent viruses holding the metals. My amateur thoughts were really if meth. isn't put right and needed additional support with the rna metals programme i would by unsure whether to go for that or ac protocol if that makes sense.

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:44:04 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I understand Yasko aims to eliminate viruses then the metal should follow as often the metal are bound to viruses. Protocol would advise testing at that stage and plotting excretion. Don't know too much as not yet at that stage. Its taken months to get step 1 supplements on board here and even then there are a lot we can't use. However he has made vast improvements already. I'm doing protocol alongside and certainly feel better

Have you read the pathways to discovery book - its a purple hardback and an absolute necessity to follow programme or even understand it (I'm not referring to purple parent guide)

BWAlison R

Right - so you would use ac chelation rather than the rna metals, or as well as? Do you think by correcting methalyation the body can deal with viruses rather than needing virus protocol? -am such a novice with all this yasko business, can't see me ever getting my head round it!

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:03:49 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Janetif/when we get to the point where we need chelation/additional support to excrete metals/viruses, at this point I will add AC. I won't be using ALA as per yasko but I understand some reach recovery just by focusing on methylation. In our case of genetics there are some yasko recommendations we will have to follow for life or will without a doubt have problems.

Alison R

Nevin/Mandi/Alison, What are your thoughts when it comes to the metals part of yasko vs ac chelation and tackling viruses independtly? I'm a bit confused over it because i'm assuming you can only start doing the metals bit when methalaytion is fixed otherwise wouldn't you just be activating these viruses and their metals but not able to rid the body of them compared to ac chelation that picks the metals up and escorts them out of the body. I think with us we'll only be able to go so far with yasko (fiancially) and do ac alongside - am guessing that some people do mixture of yasko and ac chelation? Notice ala is metionned but don't know yet how that fits in with her protocol.

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:10:04 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Mandi, that is the part I don't fully understand about AC - I was also thinking that long term methylation also needs to be corrected or the metals will continue building up?Do you think to revisit after so much chelation might make it a bit easier to do as you won't keep hitting so much detox. I bet to do it again you will be able to go quite a bit faster, also saving on some of finances as I don't imagine you would need to do so many tests.

Alison R

When Yasko says EDTA just use Activated Liquid Zeolites instead, still not sure why she hasn't got her head around this supp because it soaks up ammonia very effectively also but she is the same with enzymes, wish we could get her to sit down with Devin.

Making that switch and keeping going with the Methylation supports sounds as if it would fit better for you at the mo than AC chelation, he will already be detoxing from the ALA he had before, well for approx 2 years post his first dose and by then you may have his cycle spinning properly and he'll be doing it all by himself

This is why I know I have to revisit Yasko or I'll be chelating Sam for ever unless I get real lucky and removing metals fixes Methylation, I think it is a bit and can but it takes like forever.............

Mandi x

So, I want to go for a while with Yasko if I can, to support his organs then when she starts recommending EDTA or any other chealation agents,I would like to try AC with lower dose.having said that I know it will be so complicated as I am already managing all these supplements and their effects with difficulty and he is very sensitive now..I am still suspicious about the herpes virus,I need to discuss this with drG.

December 21, 2011

No its not the one that comes with the test kit, its one you have to buy from HHI - its around £50 but worth every penny (even if you don't fully pursue yasko). It gives a step by step guide of which order to address the mutations as until certain ones are dealt with it can do more harm to move on - especially CBS.

eg If you have CBS+ which is actually presenting as a problem, any methylation support with actually increase ammonia unless you stabilise the CBS activity.I'm reading it for about the 4th time and each time it makes more and more sense.

Totally agree with you both about cost - it will only be managable for a short period but even just having the genetics and correct interpretation of them will always give a wealth of knowledge for the future and help decide any plan of action. For us its made so many things make sense instead of guessing all the time.

We've just sent a batch of tests off and the cost of the shipping alone has been ridiculous - as Mandi mentioned my daughter has other complications and is quite ill so we really don't have a choice. I'm hoping once we see some significant improvement I can get her NHS Dr's more interested as they have to treat her blood condition any way.

Its a shame we can't send tests back to Doctors data in UK instead of USA and then them send the results onto her - this would get rid of expensive shipping and customs complications.

BWAlison R

Thanks Alison - i think i've read it yes - if it is part of the literature that came with the cd-rom and meth. panel then have gone through it. That was also my understanding about her model, with the latent viruses holding the metals. My amateur thoughts were really if meth. isn't put right and needed additional support with the rna metals programme i would by unsure whether to go for that or ac protocol if that makes sense.

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:44:04 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I understand Yasko aims to eliminate viruses then the metal should follow as often the metal are bound to viruses. Protocol would advise testing at that stage and plotting excretion. Don't know too much as not yet at that stage. Its taken months to get step 1 supplements on board here and even then there are a lot we can't use. However he has made vast improvements already. I'm doing protocol alongside and certainly feel better

Have you read the pathways to discovery book - its a purple hardback and an absolute necessity to follow programme or even understand it (I'm not referring to purple parent guide)

BWAlison R

Right - so you would use ac chelation rather than the rna metals, or as well as? Do you think by correcting methalyation the body can deal with viruses rather than needing virus protocol? -am such a novice with all this yasko business, can't see me ever getting my head round it!

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:03:49 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Janetif/when we get to the point where we need chelation/additional support to excrete metals/viruses, at this point I will add AC. I won't be using ALA as per yasko but I understand some reach recovery just by focusing on methylation. In our case of genetics there are some yasko recommendations we will have to follow for life or will without a doubt have problems.

Alison R

Nevin/Mandi/Alison, What are your thoughts when it comes to the metals part of yasko vs ac chelation and tackling viruses independtly? I'm a bit confused over it because i'm assuming you can only start doing the metals bit when methalaytion is fixed otherwise wouldn't you just be activating these viruses and their metals but not able to rid the body of them compared to ac chelation that picks the metals up and escorts them out of the body. I think with us we'll only be able to go so far with yasko (fiancially) and do ac alongside - am guessing that some people do mixture of yasko and ac chelation? Notice ala is metionned but don't know yet how that fits in with her protocol.

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:10:04 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Mandi, that is the part I don't fully understand about AC - I was also thinking that long term methylation also needs to be corrected or the metals will continue building up?Do you think to revisit after so much chelation might make it a bit easier to do as you won't keep hitting so much detox. I bet to do it again you will be able to go quite a bit faster, also saving on some of finances as I don't imagine you would need to do so many tests.

Alison R

When Yasko says EDTA just use Activated Liquid Zeolites instead, still not sure why she hasn't got her head around this supp because it soaks up ammonia very effectively also but she is the same with enzymes, wish we could get her to sit down with Devin.

Making that switch and keeping going with the Methylation supports sounds as if it would fit better for you at the mo than AC chelation, he will already be detoxing from the ALA he had before, well for approx 2 years post his first dose and by then you may have his cycle spinning properly and he'll be doing it all by himself

This is why I know I have to revisit Yasko or I'll be chelating Sam for ever unless I get real lucky and removing metals fixes Methylation, I think it is a bit and can but it takes like forever.............

Mandi x

So, I want to go for a while with Yasko if I can, to support his organs then when she starts recommending EDTA or any other chealation agents,I would like to try AC with lower dose.having said that I know it will be so complicated as I am already managing all these supplements and their effects with difficulty and he is very sensitive now..I am still suspicious about the herpes virus,I need to discuss this with drG.

December 21, 2011

No its not the one that comes with the test kit, its one you have to buy from HHI - its around £50 but worth every penny (even if you don't fully pursue yasko). It gives a step by step guide of which order to address the mutations as until certain ones are dealt with it can do more harm to move on - especially CBS.

eg If you have CBS+ which is actually presenting as a problem, any methylation support with actually increase ammonia unless you stabilise the CBS activity.I'm reading it for about the 4th time and each time it makes more and more sense.

Totally agree with you both about cost - it will only be managable for a short period but even just having the genetics and correct interpretation of them will always give a wealth of knowledge for the future and help decide any plan of action. For us its made so many things make sense instead of guessing all the time.

We've just sent a batch of tests off and the cost of the shipping alone has been ridiculous - as Mandi mentioned my daughter has other complications and is quite ill so we really don't have a choice. I'm hoping once we see some significant improvement I can get her NHS Dr's more interested as they have to treat her blood condition any way.

Its a shame we can't send tests back to Doctors data in UK instead of USA and then them send the results onto her - this would get rid of expensive shipping and customs complications.

BWAlison R

Thanks Alison - i think i've read it yes - if it is part of the literature that came with the cd-rom and meth. panel then have gone through it. That was also my understanding about her model, with the latent viruses holding the metals. My amateur thoughts were really if meth. isn't put right and needed additional support with the rna metals programme i would by unsure whether to go for that or ac protocol if that makes sense.

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:44:04 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I understand Yasko aims to eliminate viruses then the metal should follow as often the metal are bound to viruses. Protocol would advise testing at that stage and plotting excretion. Don't know too much as not yet at that stage. Its taken months to get step 1 supplements on board here and even then there are a lot we can't use. However he has made vast improvements already. I'm doing protocol alongside and certainly feel better

Have you read the pathways to discovery book - its a purple hardback and an absolute necessity to follow programme or even understand it (I'm not referring to purple parent guide)

BWAlison R

Right - so you would use ac chelation rather than the rna metals, or as well as? Do you think by correcting methalyation the body can deal with viruses rather than needing virus protocol? -am such a novice with all this yasko business, can't see me ever getting my head round it!

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:03:49 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Janetif/when we get to the point where we need chelation/additional support to excrete metals/viruses, at this point I will add AC. I won't be using ALA as per yasko but I understand some reach recovery just by focusing on methylation. In our case of genetics there are some yasko recommendations we will have to follow for life or will without a doubt have problems.

Alison R

Nevin/Mandi/Alison, What are your thoughts when it comes to the metals part of yasko vs ac chelation and tackling viruses independtly? I'm a bit confused over it because i'm assuming you can only start doing the metals bit when methalaytion is fixed otherwise wouldn't you just be activating these viruses and their metals but not able to rid the body of them compared to ac chelation that picks the metals up and escorts them out of the body. I think with us we'll only be able to go so far with yasko (fiancially) and do ac alongside - am guessing that some people do mixture of yasko and ac chelation? Notice ala is metionned but don't know yet how that fits in with her protocol.

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:10:04 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Mandi, that is the part I don't fully understand about AC - I was also thinking that long term methylation also needs to be corrected or the metals will continue building up?Do you think to revisit after so much chelation might make it a bit easier to do as you won't keep hitting so much detox. I bet to do it again you will be able to go quite a bit faster, also saving on some of finances as I don't imagine you would need to do so many tests.

Alison R

When Yasko says EDTA just use Activated Liquid Zeolites instead, still not sure why she hasn't got her head around this supp because it soaks up ammonia very effectively also but she is the same with enzymes, wish we could get her to sit down with Devin.

Making that switch and keeping going with the Methylation supports sounds as if it would fit better for you at the mo than AC chelation, he will already be detoxing from the ALA he had before, well for approx 2 years post his first dose and by then you may have his cycle spinning properly and he'll be doing it all by himself

This is why I know I have to revisit Yasko or I'll be chelating Sam for ever unless I get real lucky and removing metals fixes Methylation, I think it is a bit and can but it takes like forever.............

Mandi x

So, I want to go for a while with Yasko if I can, to support his organs then when she starts recommending EDTA or any other chealation agents,I would like to try AC with lower dose.having said that I know it will be so complicated as I am already managing all these supplements and their effects with difficulty and he is very sensitive now..I am still suspicious about the herpes virus,I need to discuss this with drG.

December 22, 2011

Hi , Am really new to Yasko myself so absolutely no expert! - but yes Yasko's premise is that poor methalyation leads to poor clearing of viruses and metals, the viruses then continue to hold onto more metals, the more viruses encountered the more metals accumulate and so it goes on - eventually something gives. So in my dd's case it was her 2nd mmr, dpt boosters etc. some years back - I'll never know whether it was the actual virus within mmr or the metals (be it mercury in the mmr or aluminium in the dpt etc) or the general overload on her already overloaded meth. cycle. Yasko's model is that the mutations she has will be bypassed following the protocol so the body starts tackling these viruses, as the viruses are dealt with they release their heavy metals and because the meth. cycle is improving they are got rid of. Lay man explanation- much more involved in practice which is what i'm struggling with at the minute. It's a good point about removing metals from the brain - i know what you mean i think only ac chelation will get rid of that but others who are more in the know may be able to chip in. There are children who have recovered from fixing their meth. cycles though so i must be missing something. If you google yasko you'll find more and there are forums for questions from seasoned yasko mums - makes my head spin a bit but am hoping it will get easier. Have you seen improvements with ac chelation for your son over time? Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:43:53 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi Janet,Yes I sincerely hope that both of us will get there. I have a question though and it's a genuine question, I'd really like to know something. What does Yasko use to clear metals with? Or does she say that by righting the methylation cycle that metals are excreted? Even from the brain? I ask as I am positive that problems lay with metals being in my son's brain and so I'm very curious? I thought that is

was ALA that could remove metals from the brain which is why I am doing ac chelation.Again, this is a sincere question and my apologies if I'm a bit behind. I've been at biomed a few years now but have never looked into Yasko.Thanks, x From:

DJ P To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:01 PM Subject: RE: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I think we're probably talking at cross-purposes, as others have said yasko leads many to recovery without using chelating agents, in these cases it fixes the dodgy meth. cycle so the body can rid itself of heavy metals- ie the metals are got rid not left doing their horrendous damage. I know we're all in the same position of trying so hard for our childrens' sakes, you too want the best for your son's recovery - we may choose different routes to get there but hopefully we will. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:08:47 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi Janet,I didn't mean to offend, my apologies if I did. You wrote that you were wondering if your daughter will be OK because the mercury had messed with her methylation more then you realised. I feel exactly the same way as you do only I feel that our chance will be with ac chelation, hence I wrote I understand we all have different opinions and I respect that. I'm in the same situation as you with a son who is severely affected and I want my son back

too.Again, my apologies if I offended you, that was not my intention. x To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Wedne

sday, December 21, 2011 7:46 PM Subject: RE: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi , I appreciate what you say but i don't intend to not do anything to clear these metals - i have a daughter who was bright and articulate until her last set of vaccines. She now struggles to speak and has numerous tics, food sensitivities, sleep probs etc - i want her back - whether that's through yasko or ac chelation, or a combination of both i am not accepting doing nothing. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:13:08 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PM Subject:<

/span> Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 22, 2011

Hi Janet,I think the insult started early here with Karl being premature and vaccines thrown at him from birth. I'm convinced that we need to remove mercury from the brain. So we are giving it our best shot and we'll see what comes of it.AC chelation has been great here. Our son was always non verbal and an angel. Then come three he regressed with behaviour and it was constant headbanging, spinning in circles and contact was gone. I couldn't take him anywhere, he was really severe.Biomed has helped allot but shortly after starting chelation it was like night and day, suddenly our son worked out that he should pee

in the toilet. Prior to this going near the toilet resulted in screaming etc... Actually his comprehension started to improve so much overall, he just started to get things. Since then gains have been gradual and we should be further along then we are but we've stopped allot due to clostrida making things unbearable. But today Karl is in a school for kids with special needs. He's babbling little words. He can even read some words like the days of the week and in the morning, without prompting he can tell me what day it is. He can count and it's not just recognition of the numeral, he can count different groups of things. He has learned his classmates names and uses them appropriately, he has learned parts of the body, clothing etc... and is very independent, dresses himself and does an awful lot on his own that I wish he wouldn't work out!

He's no longer satisfied with TV or Nintendo, he wants to explore everything and get into everything so I really have my work cut out for me!Anyway hubby wasn't a believer at first and drove me batty but is now on my back to chelate as many times as we can over the Xmas holidays. He's bought me a gym membership for Xmas and said to go get myself some energy and lets make 2012 the year to get stuck into chelation and treatments for Karl, lol!Anyway, chelation has been good here and we plan to do a whole lot more. x To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:17 PM Subject: RE: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi , Am really new to Yasko myself so absolutely no expert! - but yes Yasko's premise is that poor methalyation leads to poor clearing of viruses and metals, the viruses then continue to hold onto more metals, the more viruses encountered the more metals accumulate and so it goes on - eventually something gives. So in my dd's case it was her 2nd mmr, dpt boosters etc. some years back - I'll never know whether it was the actual virus within mmr or the metals (be it mercury in the mmr or aluminium in the dpt etc) or the general overload on her already overloaded meth. cycle. Yasko's model is that the mutations she has will be bypassed following the protocol so the body starts tackling these viruses, as the viruses are dealt with they release their heavy metals and because the meth. cycle is improving they are got rid of. Lay man explanation- much more involved

in practice which is what i'm struggling with at the minute. It's a good point about removing metals from the brain - i know what you mean i think only ac chelation will get rid of that but others who are more in the know may be able to chip in. There are children who have recovered from fixing their meth. cycles though so i must be missing something. If you google yasko you'll find more and there are forums for questions from seasoned yasko mums - makes my head spin a bit but am hoping it will get easier. Have you seen improvements with ac chelation for your son over time? Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:43:53 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant