Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

December 21, 2011

Thanks Alison - i think i've read it yes - if it is part of the literature that came with the cd-rom and meth. panel then have gone through it. That was also my understanding about her model, with the latent viruses holding the metals. My amateur thoughts were really if meth. isn't put right and needed additional support with the rna metals programme i would by unsure whether to go for that or ac protocol if that makes sense. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:44:04 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I understand Yasko aims to eliminate viruses then the metal should follow as often the metal are bound to viruses. Protocol would advise testing at that stage and plotting excretion. Don't know too much as not yet at that stage. Its taken months to get step 1 supplements on board here and even then there are a lot we can't use. However he has made vast improvements already. I'm doing protocol alongside and certainly feel better

Have you read the pathways to discovery book - its a purple hardback and an absolute necessity to follow programme or even understand it (I'm not referring to purple parent guide)

BWAlison R

Right - so you would use ac chelation rather than the rna metals, or as well as? Do you think by correcting methalyation the body can deal with viruses rather than needing virus protocol? -am such a novice with all this yasko business, can't see me ever getting my head round it!

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:03:49 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Janetif/when we get to the point where we need chelation/additional support to excrete metals/viruses, at this point I will add AC. I won't be using ALA as per yasko but I understand some reach recovery just by focusing on methylation. In our case of genetics there are some yasko recommendations we will have to follow for life or will without a doubt have problems.

Alison R

Nevin/Mandi/Alison, What are your thoughts when it comes to the metals part of yasko vs ac chelation and tackling viruses independtly? I'm a bit confused over it because i'm assuming you can only start doing the metals bit when methalaytion is fixed otherwise wouldn't you just be activating these viruses and their metals but not able to rid the body of them compared to ac chelation that picks the metals up and escorts them out of the body. I think with us we'll only be able to go so far with yasko (fiancially) and do ac alongside - am guessing that some people do mixture of yasko and ac chelation? Notice ala is metionned but don't know yet how that fits in with her protocol.

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:10:04 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Mandi, that is the part I don't fully understand about AC - I was also thinking that long term methylation also needs to be corrected or the metals will continue building up?Do you think to revisit after so much chelation might make it a bit easier to do as you won't keep hitting so much detox. I bet to do it again you will be able to go quite a bit faster, also saving on some of finances as I don't imagine you would need to do so many tests.

Alison R

When Yasko says EDTA just use Activated Liquid Zeolites instead, still not sure why she hasn't got her head around this supp because it soaks up ammonia very effectively also but she is the same with enzymes, wish we could get her to sit down with Devin.

Making that switch and keeping going with the Methylation supports sounds as if it would fit better for you at the mo than AC chelation, he will already be detoxing from the ALA he had before, well for approx 2 years post his first dose and by then you may have his cycle spinning properly and he'll be doing it all by himself

This is why I know I have to revisit Yasko or I'll be chelating Sam for ever unless I get real lucky and removing metals fixes Methylation, I think it is a bit and can but it takes like forever.............

Mandi x

So, I want to go for a while with Yasko if I can, to support his organs then when she starts recommending EDTA or any other chealation agents,I would like to try AC with lower dose.having said that I know it will be so complicated as I am already managing all these supplements and their effects with difficulty and he is very sensitive now..I am still suspicious about the herpes virus,I need to discuss this with drG.

December 21, 2011

Thanks Alison - i think i've read it yes - if it is part of the literature that came with the cd-rom and meth. panel then have gone through it. That was also my understanding about her model, with the latent viruses holding the metals. My amateur thoughts were really if meth. isn't put right and needed additional support with the rna metals programme i would by unsure whether to go for that or ac protocol if that makes sense. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:44:04 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I understand Yasko aims to eliminate viruses then the metal should follow as often the metal are bound to viruses. Protocol would advise testing at that stage and plotting excretion. Don't know too much as not yet at that stage. Its taken months to get step 1 supplements on board here and even then there are a lot we can't use. However he has made vast improvements already. I'm doing protocol alongside and certainly feel better

Have you read the pathways to discovery book - its a purple hardback and an absolute necessity to follow programme or even understand it (I'm not referring to purple parent guide)

BWAlison R

Right - so you would use ac chelation rather than the rna metals, or as well as? Do you think by correcting methalyation the body can deal with viruses rather than needing virus protocol? -am such a novice with all this yasko business, can't see me ever getting my head round it!

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:03:49 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Janetif/when we get to the point where we need chelation/additional support to excrete metals/viruses, at this point I will add AC. I won't be using ALA as per yasko but I understand some reach recovery just by focusing on methylation. In our case of genetics there are some yasko recommendations we will have to follow for life or will without a doubt have problems.

Alison R

Nevin/Mandi/Alison, What are your thoughts when it comes to the metals part of yasko vs ac chelation and tackling viruses independtly? I'm a bit confused over it because i'm assuming you can only start doing the metals bit when methalaytion is fixed otherwise wouldn't you just be activating these viruses and their metals but not able to rid the body of them compared to ac chelation that picks the metals up and escorts them out of the body. I think with us we'll only be able to go so far with yasko (fiancially) and do ac alongside - am guessing that some people do mixture of yasko and ac chelation? Notice ala is metionned but don't know yet how that fits in with her protocol.

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:10:04 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Mandi, that is the part I don't fully understand about AC - I was also thinking that long term methylation also needs to be corrected or the metals will continue building up?Do you think to revisit after so much chelation might make it a bit easier to do as you won't keep hitting so much detox. I bet to do it again you will be able to go quite a bit faster, also saving on some of finances as I don't imagine you would need to do so many tests.

Alison R

When Yasko says EDTA just use Activated Liquid Zeolites instead, still not sure why she hasn't got her head around this supp because it soaks up ammonia very effectively also but she is the same with enzymes, wish we could get her to sit down with Devin.

Making that switch and keeping going with the Methylation supports sounds as if it would fit better for you at the mo than AC chelation, he will already be detoxing from the ALA he had before, well for approx 2 years post his first dose and by then you may have his cycle spinning properly and he'll be doing it all by himself

This is why I know I have to revisit Yasko or I'll be chelating Sam for ever unless I get real lucky and removing metals fixes Methylation, I think it is a bit and can but it takes like forever.............

Mandi x

So, I want to go for a while with Yasko if I can, to support his organs then when she starts recommending EDTA or any other chealation agents,I would like to try AC with lower dose.having said that I know it will be so complicated as I am already managing all these supplements and their effects with difficulty and he is very sensitive now..I am still suspicious about the herpes virus,I need to discuss this with drG.

December 21, 2011

Thanks Alison - i think i've read it yes - if it is part of the literature that came with the cd-rom and meth. panel then have gone through it. That was also my understanding about her model, with the latent viruses holding the metals. My amateur thoughts were really if meth. isn't put right and needed additional support with the rna metals programme i would by unsure whether to go for that or ac protocol if that makes sense. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:44:04 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I understand Yasko aims to eliminate viruses then the metal should follow as often the metal are bound to viruses. Protocol would advise testing at that stage and plotting excretion. Don't know too much as not yet at that stage. Its taken months to get step 1 supplements on board here and even then there are a lot we can't use. However he has made vast improvements already. I'm doing protocol alongside and certainly feel better

Have you read the pathways to discovery book - its a purple hardback and an absolute necessity to follow programme or even understand it (I'm not referring to purple parent guide)

BWAlison R

Right - so you would use ac chelation rather than the rna metals, or as well as? Do you think by correcting methalyation the body can deal with viruses rather than needing virus protocol? -am such a novice with all this yasko business, can't see me ever getting my head round it!

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:03:49 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Janetif/when we get to the point where we need chelation/additional support to excrete metals/viruses, at this point I will add AC. I won't be using ALA as per yasko but I understand some reach recovery just by focusing on methylation. In our case of genetics there are some yasko recommendations we will have to follow for life or will without a doubt have problems.

Alison R

Nevin/Mandi/Alison, What are your thoughts when it comes to the metals part of yasko vs ac chelation and tackling viruses independtly? I'm a bit confused over it because i'm assuming you can only start doing the metals bit when methalaytion is fixed otherwise wouldn't you just be activating these viruses and their metals but not able to rid the body of them compared to ac chelation that picks the metals up and escorts them out of the body. I think with us we'll only be able to go so far with yasko (fiancially) and do ac alongside - am guessing that some people do mixture of yasko and ac chelation? Notice ala is metionned but don't know yet how that fits in with her protocol.

Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:10:04 +0000Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Mandi, that is the part I don't fully understand about AC - I was also thinking that long term methylation also needs to be corrected or the metals will continue building up?Do you think to revisit after so much chelation might make it a bit easier to do as you won't keep hitting so much detox. I bet to do it again you will be able to go quite a bit faster, also saving on some of finances as I don't imagine you would need to do so many tests.

Alison R

When Yasko says EDTA just use Activated Liquid Zeolites instead, still not sure why she hasn't got her head around this supp because it soaks up ammonia very effectively also but she is the same with enzymes, wish we could get her to sit down with Devin.

Making that switch and keeping going with the Methylation supports sounds as if it would fit better for you at the mo than AC chelation, he will already be detoxing from the ALA he had before, well for approx 2 years post his first dose and by then you may have his cycle spinning properly and he'll be doing it all by himself

This is why I know I have to revisit Yasko or I'll be chelating Sam for ever unless I get real lucky and removing metals fixes Methylation, I think it is a bit and can but it takes like forever.............

Mandi x

So, I want to go for a while with Yasko if I can, to support his organs then when she starts recommending EDTA or any other chealation agents,I would like to try AC with lower dose.having said that I know it will be so complicated as I am already managing all these supplements and their effects with difficulty and he is very sensitive now..I am still suspicious about the herpes virus,I need to discuss this with drG.

December 21, 2011

Hi Mandi, Have to smile at your post - especially the brain numbing part you're so right. Maybe after a while it gets easier.... It's a same you couldn't have progressed into step 2 though once you'd got so far to complete to complete stage 1, that's no mean feat in itself. Am awaiting meth. panel and uee/utm for basic mineral support but yes we're in same boat really re the expense of it all, that scares me when i look too far ahead but will cross the bridge i guess when it comes. Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:47:24 -0500Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I could not afford testing in phase 2, HH refused to work with Caudwell because they didn;t want to give them the bank details so they could have my £2K in advance..sigh, that's not Amy that's her husband.

Don't forget Amy is guessing, good guesses much of the time but guessing anyways (same as us and the DAN docs).

If you are planning to do AC why not just do it, won't effect things if you have to go back to Yasko and unless your child is very poorly likes Alisons or fails to respond to any other treatments, like Nevins then Yasko is second line or tidy up (Like Sandy & Tim & ) due to the expense, the amount of parent input required, dealing with changes, that was what did my head in, just as I got summat it changed and the sheer brain numbing complicatedness of it. Protocol all very very child specific.

If you already have the Genomics done (by Yasko that is not in the UK where they miss of the most important SNP's) then I think its a good idea to have the phase 1 supports in while you carry on with biomed.

If anybody here is going boss-eyed from Yasko posts, I do have a GAR for Sam - that's Genetoic Analysis Review by Yasko on Sam's results as a PDF which I am happy to send so you see what you used to get. Its supplementation in a specific order to support and address the Methylation cycle, just email and ask, its 78 pages so you have to read it on PC unless they grew another rainforest for all the paper!

Mx

Nevin/Mandi/Alison, What are your thoughts when it comes to the metals part of yasko vs ac chelation and tackling viruses independtly? I'm a bit confused over it because i'm assuming you can only start doing the metals bit when methalaytion is fixed otherwise wouldn't you just be activating these viruses and their metals but not able to rid the body of them compared to ac chelation that picks the metals up and escorts them out of the body. I think with us we'll only be able to go so far with yasko (fiancially) and do ac alongside - am guessing that some people do mixture of yasko and ac chelation? Notice ala is metionned but don't know yet how that fits in with her protocol. Janet

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:10:04 +0000Subject: Re: [Autism-Biomedical- Europe] Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Mandi, that is the part I don't fully understand about AC - I was also thinking that long term methylation also needs to be corrected or the metals will continue building up?

Do you think to revisit after so much chelation might make it a bit easier to do as you won't keep hitting so much detox. I bet to do it again you will be able to go quite a bit faster, also saving on some of finances as I don't imagine you would need to do so many tests.

Alison R

When Yasko says EDTA just use Activated Liquid Zeolites instead, still not sure why she hasn't got her head around this supp because it soaks up ammonia very effectively also but she is the same with enzymes, wish we could get her to sit down with Devin.

Making that switch and keeping going with the Methylation supports sounds as if it would fit better for you at the mo than AC chelation, he will already be detoxing from the ALA he had before, well for approx 2 years post his first dose and by then you may have his cycle spinning properly and he'll be doing it all by himself

This is why I know I have to revisit Yasko or I'll be chelating Sam for ever unless I get real lucky and removing metals fixes Methylation, I think it is a bit and can but it takes like forever.............

Mandi x

So, I want to go for a while with Yasko if I can, to support his organs then when she starts recommending EDTA or any other chealation agents,I would like to try AC with lower dose.having said that I know it will be so complicated as I am already managing all these supplements and their effects with difficulty and he is very sensitive now..I am still suspicious about the herpes virus,I need to discuss this with drG.

December 21, 2011

Hi Mandi, Have to smile at your post - especially the brain numbing part you're so right. Maybe after a while it gets easier.... It's a same you couldn't have progressed into step 2 though once you'd got so far to complete to complete stage 1, that's no mean feat in itself. Am awaiting meth. panel and uee/utm for basic mineral support but yes we're in same boat really re the expense of it all, that scares me when i look too far ahead but will cross the bridge i guess when it comes. Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:47:24 -0500Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I could not afford testing in phase 2, HH refused to work with Caudwell because they didn;t want to give them the bank details so they could have my £2K in advance..sigh, that's not Amy that's her husband.

Don't forget Amy is guessing, good guesses much of the time but guessing anyways (same as us and the DAN docs).

If you are planning to do AC why not just do it, won't effect things if you have to go back to Yasko and unless your child is very poorly likes Alisons or fails to respond to any other treatments, like Nevins then Yasko is second line or tidy up (Like Sandy & Tim & ) due to the expense, the amount of parent input required, dealing with changes, that was what did my head in, just as I got summat it changed and the sheer brain numbing complicatedness of it. Protocol all very very child specific.

If you already have the Genomics done (by Yasko that is not in the UK where they miss of the most important SNP's) then I think its a good idea to have the phase 1 supports in while you carry on with biomed.

If anybody here is going boss-eyed from Yasko posts, I do have a GAR for Sam - that's Genetoic Analysis Review by Yasko on Sam's results as a PDF which I am happy to send so you see what you used to get. Its supplementation in a specific order to support and address the Methylation cycle, just email and ask, its 78 pages so you have to read it on PC unless they grew another rainforest for all the paper!

Mx

Nevin/Mandi/Alison, What are your thoughts when it comes to the metals part of yasko vs ac chelation and tackling viruses independtly? I'm a bit confused over it because i'm assuming you can only start doing the metals bit when methalaytion is fixed otherwise wouldn't you just be activating these viruses and their metals but not able to rid the body of them compared to ac chelation that picks the metals up and escorts them out of the body. I think with us we'll only be able to go so far with yasko (fiancially) and do ac alongside - am guessing that some people do mixture of yasko and ac chelation? Notice ala is metionned but don't know yet how that fits in with her protocol. Janet

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:10:04 +0000Subject: Re: [Autism-Biomedical- Europe] Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Mandi, that is the part I don't fully understand about AC - I was also thinking that long term methylation also needs to be corrected or the metals will continue building up?

Do you think to revisit after so much chelation might make it a bit easier to do as you won't keep hitting so much detox. I bet to do it again you will be able to go quite a bit faster, also saving on some of finances as I don't imagine you would need to do so many tests.

Alison R

When Yasko says EDTA just use Activated Liquid Zeolites instead, still not sure why she hasn't got her head around this supp because it soaks up ammonia very effectively also but she is the same with enzymes, wish we could get her to sit down with Devin.

Making that switch and keeping going with the Methylation supports sounds as if it would fit better for you at the mo than AC chelation, he will already be detoxing from the ALA he had before, well for approx 2 years post his first dose and by then you may have his cycle spinning properly and he'll be doing it all by himself

This is why I know I have to revisit Yasko or I'll be chelating Sam for ever unless I get real lucky and removing metals fixes Methylation, I think it is a bit and can but it takes like forever.............

Mandi x

So, I want to go for a while with Yasko if I can, to support his organs then when she starts recommending EDTA or any other chealation agents,I would like to try AC with lower dose.having said that I know it will be so complicated as I am already managing all these supplements and their effects with difficulty and he is very sensitive now..I am still suspicious about the herpes virus,I need to discuss this with drG.

December 21, 2011

Hi Mandi, Have to smile at your post - especially the brain numbing part you're so right. Maybe after a while it gets easier.... It's a same you couldn't have progressed into step 2 though once you'd got so far to complete to complete stage 1, that's no mean feat in itself. Am awaiting meth. panel and uee/utm for basic mineral support but yes we're in same boat really re the expense of it all, that scares me when i look too far ahead but will cross the bridge i guess when it comes. Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:47:24 -0500Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I could not afford testing in phase 2, HH refused to work with Caudwell because they didn;t want to give them the bank details so they could have my £2K in advance..sigh, that's not Amy that's her husband.

Don't forget Amy is guessing, good guesses much of the time but guessing anyways (same as us and the DAN docs).

If you are planning to do AC why not just do it, won't effect things if you have to go back to Yasko and unless your child is very poorly likes Alisons or fails to respond to any other treatments, like Nevins then Yasko is second line or tidy up (Like Sandy & Tim & ) due to the expense, the amount of parent input required, dealing with changes, that was what did my head in, just as I got summat it changed and the sheer brain numbing complicatedness of it. Protocol all very very child specific.

If you already have the Genomics done (by Yasko that is not in the UK where they miss of the most important SNP's) then I think its a good idea to have the phase 1 supports in while you carry on with biomed.

If anybody here is going boss-eyed from Yasko posts, I do have a GAR for Sam - that's Genetoic Analysis Review by Yasko on Sam's results as a PDF which I am happy to send so you see what you used to get. Its supplementation in a specific order to support and address the Methylation cycle, just email and ask, its 78 pages so you have to read it on PC unless they grew another rainforest for all the paper!

Mx

Nevin/Mandi/Alison, What are your thoughts when it comes to the metals part of yasko vs ac chelation and tackling viruses independtly? I'm a bit confused over it because i'm assuming you can only start doing the metals bit when methalaytion is fixed otherwise wouldn't you just be activating these viruses and their metals but not able to rid the body of them compared to ac chelation that picks the metals up and escorts them out of the body. I think with us we'll only be able to go so far with yasko (fiancially) and do ac alongside - am guessing that some people do mixture of yasko and ac chelation? Notice ala is metionned but don't know yet how that fits in with her protocol. Janet

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:10:04 +0000Subject: Re: [Autism-Biomedical- Europe] Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Mandi, that is the part I don't fully understand about AC - I was also thinking that long term methylation also needs to be corrected or the metals will continue building up?

Do you think to revisit after so much chelation might make it a bit easier to do as you won't keep hitting so much detox. I bet to do it again you will be able to go quite a bit faster, also saving on some of finances as I don't imagine you would need to do so many tests.

Alison R

When Yasko says EDTA just use Activated Liquid Zeolites instead, still not sure why she hasn't got her head around this supp because it soaks up ammonia very effectively also but she is the same with enzymes, wish we could get her to sit down with Devin.

Making that switch and keeping going with the Methylation supports sounds as if it would fit better for you at the mo than AC chelation, he will already be detoxing from the ALA he had before, well for approx 2 years post his first dose and by then you may have his cycle spinning properly and he'll be doing it all by himself

This is why I know I have to revisit Yasko or I'll be chelating Sam for ever unless I get real lucky and removing metals fixes Methylation, I think it is a bit and can but it takes like forever.............

Mandi x

So, I want to go for a while with Yasko if I can, to support his organs then when she starts recommending EDTA or any other chealation agents,I would like to try AC with lower dose.having said that I know it will be so complicated as I am already managing all these supplements and their effects with difficulty and he is very sensitive now..I am still suspicious about the herpes virus,I need to discuss this with drG.

December 21, 2011

Thank you Nevin for your reply. Yes i'd imagine everything needs to be done very slowly. Maybe the viruses will be tackled slowly as you begin to improve his methalyation and his body becomes stronger. In that case you wouldn't need to detox further as his he would be doing it himself as we should be doing anyway if things weren't impaired. At least you are heading in the right direction and have a good grasp of what you're doing- i think with yasko it is very easy to get overwhelmed with it all. On a postitive note (i'm much in need of one!) i was talking to our homeopathist this morning about mutations etc. and she said the body has a huge desire to try and heal itself and when certain supports begin to be put in place then the body does it's utmost to make that healing happen. Thought that was an good thought to try to keep in my head. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Nevin.Penny@...Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:03:34 +0000Subject: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Dear Janet,

I will focus on Yasko protocol and hoping to get support from Dr Goyal > I can not run any treatment for my son on my own, he is 18 and has seizures.I am hoping to Dr Goyal's support on this treatment and chelation is not the top of agenda at present even DrAmy made this comments.But I will loook at Yasko's supplements for detoxing particularly metals to see if it contradicts with anything.I think RNAs good with us but my son is on the lower doses at present,not on the fulllevel.SO we are trying slowly adapt the protocol .

Viruses are also my concern despite nothing showed up on the NHS testings.I need to discuss the whole treatment plan with drGoyal and I am looking forward to meet him.

I hope I answered your question.

All the best

nevin

>

> When Yasko says EDTA just use Activated Liquid Zeolites instead, still not

> sure why she hasn't got her head around this supp because it soaks up ammonia

> very effectively also but she is the same with enzymes, wish we could get her to

> sit down with Devin.

>

> Making that switch and keeping going with the Methylation supports sounds

> as if it would fit better for you at the mo than AC chelation, he will already

> be detoxing from the ALA he had before, well for approx 2 years post his first

> dose and by then you may have his cycle spinning properly and he'll be doing it

> all by himself

>

> This is why I know I have to revisit Yasko or I'll be chelating Sam for

> ever unless I get real lucky and removing metals fixes Methylation, I think

> it is a bit and can but it takes like forever.............

>

> Mandi x

>

> In a message dated 19/12/2011 16:17:36 GMT Standard Time,

> Nevin.Penny@... writes:

> So, I

> want to go for a while with Yasko if I can, to support his organs then when

> she starts recommending EDTA or any other chealation agents,I would like to

> try AC with lower dose.having said that I know it will be so complicated as I

> am already managing all these supplements and their effects with difficulty

> and he is very sensitive now..I am still suspicious about the herpes virus,I

> need to discuss this with

> drG.

>

December 21, 2011

Thank you Nevin for your reply. Yes i'd imagine everything needs to be done very slowly. Maybe the viruses will be tackled slowly as you begin to improve his methalyation and his body becomes stronger. In that case you wouldn't need to detox further as his he would be doing it himself as we should be doing anyway if things weren't impaired. At least you are heading in the right direction and have a good grasp of what you're doing- i think with yasko it is very easy to get overwhelmed with it all. On a postitive note (i'm much in need of one!) i was talking to our homeopathist this morning about mutations etc. and she said the body has a huge desire to try and heal itself and when certain supports begin to be put in place then the body does it's utmost to make that healing happen. Thought that was an good thought to try to keep in my head. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Nevin.Penny@...Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:03:34 +0000Subject: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Dear Janet,

I will focus on Yasko protocol and hoping to get support from Dr Goyal > I can not run any treatment for my son on my own, he is 18 and has seizures.I am hoping to Dr Goyal's support on this treatment and chelation is not the top of agenda at present even DrAmy made this comments.But I will loook at Yasko's supplements for detoxing particularly metals to see if it contradicts with anything.I think RNAs good with us but my son is on the lower doses at present,not on the fulllevel.SO we are trying slowly adapt the protocol .

Viruses are also my concern despite nothing showed up on the NHS testings.I need to discuss the whole treatment plan with drGoyal and I am looking forward to meet him.

I hope I answered your question.

All the best

nevin

>

> When Yasko says EDTA just use Activated Liquid Zeolites instead, still not

> sure why she hasn't got her head around this supp because it soaks up ammonia

> very effectively also but she is the same with enzymes, wish we could get her to

> sit down with Devin.

>

> Making that switch and keeping going with the Methylation supports sounds

> as if it would fit better for you at the mo than AC chelation, he will already

> be detoxing from the ALA he had before, well for approx 2 years post his first

> dose and by then you may have his cycle spinning properly and he'll be doing it

> all by himself

>

> This is why I know I have to revisit Yasko or I'll be chelating Sam for

> ever unless I get real lucky and removing metals fixes Methylation, I think

> it is a bit and can but it takes like forever.............

>

> Mandi x

>

> In a message dated 19/12/2011 16:17:36 GMT Standard Time,

> Nevin.Penny@... writes:

> So, I

> want to go for a while with Yasko if I can, to support his organs then when

> she starts recommending EDTA or any other chealation agents,I would like to

> try AC with lower dose.having said that I know it will be so complicated as I

> am already managing all these supplements and their effects with difficulty

> and he is very sensitive now..I am still suspicious about the herpes virus,I

> need to discuss this with

> drG.

>

December 21, 2011

Thank you Nevin for your reply. Yes i'd imagine everything needs to be done very slowly. Maybe the viruses will be tackled slowly as you begin to improve his methalyation and his body becomes stronger. In that case you wouldn't need to detox further as his he would be doing it himself as we should be doing anyway if things weren't impaired. At least you are heading in the right direction and have a good grasp of what you're doing- i think with yasko it is very easy to get overwhelmed with it all. On a postitive note (i'm much in need of one!) i was talking to our homeopathist this morning about mutations etc. and she said the body has a huge desire to try and heal itself and when certain supports begin to be put in place then the body does it's utmost to make that healing happen. Thought that was an good thought to try to keep in my head. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Nevin.Penny@...Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:03:34 +0000Subject: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Dear Janet,

I will focus on Yasko protocol and hoping to get support from Dr Goyal > I can not run any treatment for my son on my own, he is 18 and has seizures.I am hoping to Dr Goyal's support on this treatment and chelation is not the top of agenda at present even DrAmy made this comments.But I will loook at Yasko's supplements for detoxing particularly metals to see if it contradicts with anything.I think RNAs good with us but my son is on the lower doses at present,not on the fulllevel.SO we are trying slowly adapt the protocol .

Viruses are also my concern despite nothing showed up on the NHS testings.I need to discuss the whole treatment plan with drGoyal and I am looking forward to meet him.

I hope I answered your question.

All the best

nevin

>

> When Yasko says EDTA just use Activated Liquid Zeolites instead, still not

> sure why she hasn't got her head around this supp because it soaks up ammonia

> very effectively also but she is the same with enzymes, wish we could get her to

> sit down with Devin.

>

> Making that switch and keeping going with the Methylation supports sounds

> as if it would fit better for you at the mo than AC chelation, he will already

> be detoxing from the ALA he had before, well for approx 2 years post his first

> dose and by then you may have his cycle spinning properly and he'll be doing it

> all by himself

>

> This is why I know I have to revisit Yasko or I'll be chelating Sam for

> ever unless I get real lucky and removing metals fixes Methylation, I think

> it is a bit and can but it takes like forever.............

>

> Mandi x

>

> In a message dated 19/12/2011 16:17:36 GMT Standard Time,

> Nevin.Penny@... writes:

> So, I

> want to go for a while with Yasko if I can, to support his organs then when

> she starts recommending EDTA or any other chealation agents,I would like to

> try AC with lower dose.having said that I know it will be so complicated as I

> am already managing all these supplements and their effects with difficulty

> and he is very sensitive now..I am still suspicious about the herpes virus,I

> need to discuss this with

> drG.

>

December 21, 2011

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

I concurr

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance.

x

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PMSubject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

I concurr

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance.

x

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PMSubject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

I concurr

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance.

x

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PMSubject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

Hi , I appreciate what you say but i don't intend to not do anything to clear these metals - i have a daughter who was bright and articulate until her last set of vaccines. She now struggles to speak and has numerous tics, food sensitivities, sleep probs etc - i want her back - whether that's through yasko or ac chelation, or a combination of both i am not accepting doing nothing. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:13:08 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

Hi , I appreciate what you say but i don't intend to not do anything to clear these metals - i have a daughter who was bright and articulate until her last set of vaccines. She now struggles to speak and has numerous tics, food sensitivities, sleep probs etc - i want her back - whether that's through yasko or ac chelation, or a combination of both i am not accepting doing nothing. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:13:08 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

Hi Janet,I didn't mean to offend, my apologies if I did. You wrote that you were wondering if your daughter will be OK because the mercury had messed with her methylation more then you realised. I feel exactly the same way as you do only I feel that our chance will be with ac chelation, hence I wrote I understand we all have different opinions and I respect that. I'm in the same situation as you with a son who is severely affected and I want my son back

too.Again, my apologies if I offended you, that was not my intention. x To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 7:46 PM Subject: RE: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi , I appreciate what you say but i don't intend to not do anything to clear these metals - i have a daughter who was bright and articulate until her last set of vaccines. She now struggles to speak and has numerous tics, food sensitivities, sleep probs etc - i want her back - whether that's through yasko or ac chelation, or a combination of both i am not accepting doing nothing. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:13:08 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

Hi Janet,I didn't mean to offend, my apologies if I did. You wrote that you were wondering if your daughter will be OK because the mercury had messed with her methylation more then you realised. I feel exactly the same way as you do only I feel that our chance will be with ac chelation, hence I wrote I understand we all have different opinions and I respect that. I'm in the same situation as you with a son who is severely affected and I want my son back

too.Again, my apologies if I offended you, that was not my intention. x To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 7:46 PM Subject: RE: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi , I appreciate what you say but i don't intend to not do anything to clear these metals - i have a daughter who was bright and articulate until her last set of vaccines. She now struggles to speak and has numerous tics, food sensitivities, sleep probs etc - i want her back - whether that's through yasko or ac chelation, or a combination of both i am not accepting doing nothing. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:13:08 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

I think we're probably talking at cross-purposes, as others have said yasko leads many to recovery without using chelating agents, in these cases it fixes the dodgy meth. cycle so the body can rid itself of heavy metals- ie the metals are got rid not left doing their horrendous damage. I know we're all in the same position of trying so hard for our childrens' sakes, you too want the best for your son's recovery - we may choose different routes to get there but hopefully we will. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:08:47 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi Janet,I didn't mean to offend, my apologies if I did. You wrote that you were wondering if your daughter will be OK because the mercury had messed with her methylation more then you realised. I feel exactly the same way as you do only I feel that our chance will be with ac chelation, hence I wrote I understand we all have different opinions and I respect that. I'm in the same situation as you with a son who is severely affected and I want my son back

too.Again, my apologies if I offended you, that was not my intention. x To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Wedne

sday, December 21, 2011 7:46 PM Subject: RE: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi , I appreciate what you say but i don't intend to not do anything to clear these metals - i have a daughter who was bright and articulate until her last set of vaccines. She now struggles to speak and has numerous tics, food sensitivities, sleep probs etc - i want her back - whether that's through yasko or ac chelation, or a combination of both i am not accepting doing nothing. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:13:08 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PM Subject:<

/span> Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

I think we're probably talking at cross-purposes, as others have said yasko leads many to recovery without using chelating agents, in these cases it fixes the dodgy meth. cycle so the body can rid itself of heavy metals- ie the metals are got rid not left doing their horrendous damage. I know we're all in the same position of trying so hard for our childrens' sakes, you too want the best for your son's recovery - we may choose different routes to get there but hopefully we will. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:08:47 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi Janet,I didn't mean to offend, my apologies if I did. You wrote that you were wondering if your daughter will be OK because the mercury had messed with her methylation more then you realised. I feel exactly the same way as you do only I feel that our chance will be with ac chelation, hence I wrote I understand we all have different opinions and I respect that. I'm in the same situation as you with a son who is severely affected and I want my son back

too.Again, my apologies if I offended you, that was not my intention. x To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Wedne

sday, December 21, 2011 7:46 PM Subject: RE: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi , I appreciate what you say but i don't intend to not do anything to clear these metals - i have a daughter who was bright and articulate until her last set of vaccines. She now struggles to speak and has numerous tics, food sensitivities, sleep probs etc - i want her back - whether that's through yasko or ac chelation, or a combination of both i am not accepting doing nothing. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:13:08 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PM Subject:<

/span> Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

I think we're probably talking at cross-purposes, as others have said yasko leads many to recovery without using chelating agents, in these cases it fixes the dodgy meth. cycle so the body can rid itself of heavy metals- ie the metals are got rid not left doing their horrendous damage. I know we're all in the same position of trying so hard for our childrens' sakes, you too want the best for your son's recovery - we may choose different routes to get there but hopefully we will. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:08:47 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi Janet,I didn't mean to offend, my apologies if I did. You wrote that you were wondering if your daughter will be OK because the mercury had messed with her methylation more then you realised. I feel exactly the same way as you do only I feel that our chance will be with ac chelation, hence I wrote I understand we all have different opinions and I respect that. I'm in the same situation as you with a son who is severely affected and I want my son back

too.Again, my apologies if I offended you, that was not my intention. x To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Wedne

sday, December 21, 2011 7:46 PM Subject: RE: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi , I appreciate what you say but i don't intend to not do anything to clear these metals - i have a daughter who was bright and articulate until her last set of vaccines. She now struggles to speak and has numerous tics, food sensitivities, sleep probs etc - i want her back - whether that's through yasko or ac chelation, or a combination of both i am not accepting doing nothing. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:13:08 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PM Subject:<

/span> Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011

Hi Janet,Yes I sincerely hope that both of us will get there. I have a question though and it's a genuine question, I'd really like to know something. What does Yasko use to clear metals with? Or does she say that by righting the methylation cycle that metals are excreted? Even from the brain? I ask as I am positive that problems lay with metals being in my son's brain and so I'm very curious? I thought that is

was ALA that could remove metals from the brain which is why I am doing ac chelation.Again, this is a sincere question and my apologies if I'm a bit behind. I've been at biomed a few years now but have never looked into Yasko.Thanks, x To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:01 PM Subject: RE: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I think we're probably talking at cross-purposes, as others have said yasko leads many to recovery without using chelating agents, in these cases it fixes the dodgy meth. cycle so the body can rid itself of heavy metals- ie the metals are got rid not left doing their horrendous damage. I know we're all in the same position of trying so hard for our childrens' sakes, you too want the best for your son's recovery - we may choose different routes to get there but hopefully we will. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:08:47 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi Janet,I didn't mean to offend, my apologies if I did. You wrote that you were wondering if your daughter will be OK because the mercury had messed with her methylation more then you realised. I feel exactly the same way as you do only I feel that our chance will be with ac chelation, hence I wrote I understand we all have different opinions and I respect that. I'm in the same situation as you with a son who is severely affected and I want my son back

too.Again, my apologies if I offended you, that was not my intention. x To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Wedne

sday, December 21, 2011 7:46 PM Subject: RE: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

Hi , I appreciate what you say but i don't intend to not do anything to clear these metals - i have a daughter who was bright and articulate until her last set of vaccines. She now struggles to speak and has numerous tics, food sensitivities, sleep probs etc - i want her back - whether that's through yasko or ac chelation, or a combination of both i am not accepting doing nothing. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: lisastubner@...Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:13:08 -0800Subject: Re: Re: appt with metabolics consultant

I know we all have different opinions and I respect that but I just wanted to say, I personally feel that if my child is full of metals and I don't do anything about it...I don't stand a chance. If I do something about it...I have a chance. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:54 PM Subject:<

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But what came first, chicken or egg, messed up methylation causing accumulation of metals or metals effecting Methylation causing issues with detoxing metals?

What we do know is that on several thousand patients, chelation is most effective form of treatment at 75% with gains on ARI data

Mx

Will have good think and see how we go. The yasko model makes such sense though. I was content thinking of ac chelation because health probs with all 3 of mine i can link back to vax - Naomi being the worst affected. In my unscientific mind had thoguth shift the mercury and she'll be ok but after realising it mutates the dna i'm now not so sure, it's obviously messed further with her methalyation than i had at first realised.

December 21, 2011