Re: HNI Vs Kirkman's Digestive Enzymes

[Guest guest]

I have no idea, Houston are formulated by an enzymologist, Kirkman are not

Mandi x

And I was reading the TA website and saw this:

" Houston's and Kirkman's both carry enzymes formulated for ASD children--each company has a different view of enzyme use."

Can anyone explain this statement, just curious what it means?

[Guest guest]

I have no idea, Houston are formulated by an enzymologist, Kirkman are not

Mandi x

And I was reading the TA website and saw this:

" Houston's and Kirkman's both carry enzymes formulated for ASD children--each company has a different view of enzyme use."

Can anyone explain this statement, just curious what it means?

[Guest guest]

I have no idea, Houston are formulated by an enzymologist, Kirkman are not

Mandi x

And I was reading the TA website and saw this:

" Houston's and Kirkman's both carry enzymes formulated for ASD children--each company has a different view of enzyme use."

Can anyone explain this statement, just curious what it means?

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much, Anita.  Apologies if my question came across as nitpick-ish - I thought there was a commonly known difference that I was unaware of!  Thanks for the clarification, it's very helpful and thanks for your work on writing the TA biomed summaries, they have been a helpful guide to get me back on the biomed road.  

Darla xx

 

Ahh, I wrote that. It took me a bit to figure out what I meant. Clearly I need to go back and revise some things.

Back when this was written, ARI and Kirkman were advising against replacing gf/cf diet with enzymes (looking specifically at DPP-IV I think) and, if I remember correctly, against the no-fenol product that Houston has. They have changed their opinion on both stances as far as I know.

Personally, in my experience, enzymes can help a great deal with gluten, casein, and other hard to digest proteins. We don't have phenol issues anymore, but I know loads of people who are helped by no-fenol.

Sorry about the confusion from my out-dated statement.

Anita

>

> Trying to decide which Enzymes to give (it's been a long time since

> he's had any although he had a very positive response to HNI a few years

> ago.)

>

> And I was reading the TA website and saw this:

> " Houston's and Kirkman's both carry enzymes formulated for ASD

> children--each company has a different view of enzyme use. "

>

> Can anyone explain this statement, just curious what it means?

>

> Thanks,

> Darla

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much, Anita.  Apologies if my question came across as nitpick-ish - I thought there was a commonly known difference that I was unaware of!  Thanks for the clarification, it's very helpful and thanks for your work on writing the TA biomed summaries, they have been a helpful guide to get me back on the biomed road.  

Darla xx

 

Ahh, I wrote that. It took me a bit to figure out what I meant. Clearly I need to go back and revise some things.

Back when this was written, ARI and Kirkman were advising against replacing gf/cf diet with enzymes (looking specifically at DPP-IV I think) and, if I remember correctly, against the no-fenol product that Houston has. They have changed their opinion on both stances as far as I know.

Personally, in my experience, enzymes can help a great deal with gluten, casein, and other hard to digest proteins. We don't have phenol issues anymore, but I know loads of people who are helped by no-fenol.

Sorry about the confusion from my out-dated statement.

Anita

>

> Trying to decide which Enzymes to give (it's been a long time since

> he's had any although he had a very positive response to HNI a few years

> ago.)

>

> And I was reading the TA website and saw this:

> " Houston's and Kirkman's both carry enzymes formulated for ASD

> children--each company has a different view of enzyme use. "

>

> Can anyone explain this statement, just curious what it means?

>

> Thanks,

> Darla

>

[Guest guest]

I know folks may be fed up reading this from me but no fenol totally changed our lives from the ist speck ds had - this was his turning point.  I've done loads of research  into why this may be and had lots of comunication with Devin Houston.

For us it definitely helps with sulphation issues - I think in my kids its responsible for helping to lower ammonia.It actually removes a carbohydrate group which means the body doesn't have to process polysacarides (similar to effect of scd).

We use houstons tri enza and a bit on no fenol extra due to big phenol issues.  Stool tests since using this show no gut inflammation in ds.  He started on them aged just 2 now almost 4.

Alison R

 

Thanks so much, Anita.  Apologies if my question came across as nitpick-ish - I thought there was a commonly known difference that I was unaware of!  Thanks for the clarification, it's very helpful and thanks for your work on writing the TA biomed summaries, they have been a helpful guide to get me back on the biomed road.  

Darla xx

 

Ahh, I wrote that. It took me a bit to figure out what I meant. Clearly I need to go back and revise some things.

Back when this was written, ARI and Kirkman were advising against replacing gf/cf diet with enzymes (looking specifically at DPP-IV I think) and, if I remember correctly, against the no-fenol product that Houston has. They have changed their opinion on both stances as far as I know.

Personally, in my experience, enzymes can help a great deal with gluten, casein, and other hard to digest proteins. We don't have phenol issues anymore, but I know loads of people who are helped by no-fenol.

Sorry about the confusion from my out-dated statement.

Anita

>

> Trying to decide which Enzymes to give (it's been a long time since

> he's had any although he had a very positive response to HNI a few years

> ago.)

>

> And I was reading the TA website and saw this:

> " Houston's and Kirkman's both carry enzymes formulated for ASD

> children--each company has a different view of enzyme use. "

>

> Can anyone explain this statement, just curious what it means?

>

> Thanks,

> Darla

>

[Guest guest]

I know folks may be fed up reading this from me but no fenol totally changed our lives from the ist speck ds had - this was his turning point.  I've done loads of research  into why this may be and had lots of comunication with Devin Houston.

For us it definitely helps with sulphation issues - I think in my kids its responsible for helping to lower ammonia.It actually removes a carbohydrate group which means the body doesn't have to process polysacarides (similar to effect of scd).

We use houstons tri enza and a bit on no fenol extra due to big phenol issues.  Stool tests since using this show no gut inflammation in ds.  He started on them aged just 2 now almost 4.

Alison R

 

Thanks so much, Anita.  Apologies if my question came across as nitpick-ish - I thought there was a commonly known difference that I was unaware of!  Thanks for the clarification, it's very helpful and thanks for your work on writing the TA biomed summaries, they have been a helpful guide to get me back on the biomed road.  

Darla xx

 

Ahh, I wrote that. It took me a bit to figure out what I meant. Clearly I need to go back and revise some things.

Back when this was written, ARI and Kirkman were advising against replacing gf/cf diet with enzymes (looking specifically at DPP-IV I think) and, if I remember correctly, against the no-fenol product that Houston has. They have changed their opinion on both stances as far as I know.

Personally, in my experience, enzymes can help a great deal with gluten, casein, and other hard to digest proteins. We don't have phenol issues anymore, but I know loads of people who are helped by no-fenol.

Sorry about the confusion from my out-dated statement.

Anita

>

> Trying to decide which Enzymes to give (it's been a long time since

> he's had any although he had a very positive response to HNI a few years

> ago.)

>

> And I was reading the TA website and saw this:

> " Houston's and Kirkman's both carry enzymes formulated for ASD

> children--each company has a different view of enzyme use. "

>

> Can anyone explain this statement, just curious what it means?

>

> Thanks,

> Darla

>

[Guest guest]

I know folks may be fed up reading this from me but no fenol totally changed our lives from the ist speck ds had - this was his turning point.  I've done loads of research  into why this may be and had lots of comunication with Devin Houston.

For us it definitely helps with sulphation issues - I think in my kids its responsible for helping to lower ammonia.It actually removes a carbohydrate group which means the body doesn't have to process polysacarides (similar to effect of scd).

We use houstons tri enza and a bit on no fenol extra due to big phenol issues.  Stool tests since using this show no gut inflammation in ds.  He started on them aged just 2 now almost 4.

Alison R

 

Thanks so much, Anita.  Apologies if my question came across as nitpick-ish - I thought there was a commonly known difference that I was unaware of!  Thanks for the clarification, it's very helpful and thanks for your work on writing the TA biomed summaries, they have been a helpful guide to get me back on the biomed road.  

Darla xx

 

Ahh, I wrote that. It took me a bit to figure out what I meant. Clearly I need to go back and revise some things.

Back when this was written, ARI and Kirkman were advising against replacing gf/cf diet with enzymes (looking specifically at DPP-IV I think) and, if I remember correctly, against the no-fenol product that Houston has. They have changed their opinion on both stances as far as I know.

Personally, in my experience, enzymes can help a great deal with gluten, casein, and other hard to digest proteins. We don't have phenol issues anymore, but I know loads of people who are helped by no-fenol.

Sorry about the confusion from my out-dated statement.

Anita

>

> Trying to decide which Enzymes to give (it's been a long time since

> he's had any although he had a very positive response to HNI a few years

> ago.)

>

> And I was reading the TA website and saw this:

> " Houston's and Kirkman's both carry enzymes formulated for ASD

> children--each company has a different view of enzyme use. "

>

> Can anyone explain this statement, just curious what it means?

>

> Thanks,

> Darla

>

[Guest guest]

we use thorne's 'biogest' and have had good results with food digestion, apart

from fats, so i'm just about to add metabolics 'lipase'. i believe biogest is

good as its close to our own enzymes as it comes from animals?

karenza

>

> Trying to decide which Enzymes to give (it's been a long time since

> he's had any although he had a very positive response to HNI a few years

> ago.)

>

> And I was reading the TA website and saw this:

> " Houston's and Kirkman's both carry enzymes formulated for ASD

> children--each company has a different view of enzyme use. "

>

> Can anyone explain this statement, just curious what it means?

>

> Thanks,

> Darla

>

[Guest guest]

we use thorne's 'biogest' and have had good results with food digestion, apart

from fats, so i'm just about to add metabolics 'lipase'. i believe biogest is

good as its close to our own enzymes as it comes from animals?

karenza

>

> Trying to decide which Enzymes to give (it's been a long time since

> he's had any although he had a very positive response to HNI a few years

> ago.)

>

> And I was reading the TA website and saw this:

> " Houston's and Kirkman's both carry enzymes formulated for ASD

> children--each company has a different view of enzyme use. "

>

> Can anyone explain this statement, just curious what it means?

>

> Thanks,

> Darla

>

[Guest guest]

we use thorne's 'biogest' and have had good results with food digestion, apart

from fats, so i'm just about to add metabolics 'lipase'. i believe biogest is

good as its close to our own enzymes as it comes from animals?

karenza

>

> Trying to decide which Enzymes to give (it's been a long time since

> he's had any although he had a very positive response to HNI a few years

> ago.)

>

> And I was reading the TA website and saw this:

> " Houston's and Kirkman's both carry enzymes formulated for ASD

> children--each company has a different view of enzyme use. "

>

> Can anyone explain this statement, just curious what it means?

>

> Thanks,

> Darla

>

[Guest guest]

They made a copy of the No Phenol so Jon Pangbourne's misguided and inaccurate responses to that when Houston came out with it are over, though annoyingly you can still find it on the net and people have to be reassured over and over. They don't actively advertise the fact about coming off diet but on a face to face basis they do

Mandi x

Back when this was written, ARI and Kirkman were advising against replacing gf/cf diet with enzymes (looking specifically at DPP-IV I think) and, if I remember correctly, against the no-fenol product that Houston has. They have changed their opinion on both stances as far as I know.

[Guest guest]

They made a copy of the No Phenol so Jon Pangbourne's misguided and inaccurate responses to that when Houston came out with it are over, though annoyingly you can still find it on the net and people have to be reassured over and over. They don't actively advertise the fact about coming off diet but on a face to face basis they do

Mandi x

Back when this was written, ARI and Kirkman were advising against replacing gf/cf diet with enzymes (looking specifically at DPP-IV I think) and, if I remember correctly, against the no-fenol product that Houston has. They have changed their opinion on both stances as far as I know.

[Guest guest]

Hi zaHope you don't mind me commenting, but one of the ingredients of Biogest is glutamic acid, which I think some children of people on this list don't tolerate. I know from your other posts that your son is getting agitated at times, and just wondered whether it might be worth stopping the Biogest for a while to see if it could be giving him problems?Joanne> >> > Trying to decide which Enzymes to give (it's been a long time since> > he's had any although he had a very positive response to HNI a few years> > ago.)> > > > And I was reading the TA website and saw this:> > " Houston's and Kirkman's both carry enzymes formulated for ASD> > children--each company has a different view of enzyme use."> > > > Can anyone explain this statement, just curious what it means?> > > > Thanks,> > Darla> >>

[Guest guest]

thank you joanne, i don't mind you commenting at all!!!! very grateful indeed!

i will look into this asap,

karenza

> > >

> > > Trying to decide which Enzymes to give (it's been a long time

> since

> > > he's had any although he had a very positive response to HNI a few

> years

> > > ago.)

> > >

> > > And I was reading the TA website and saw this:

> > > " Houston's and Kirkman's both carry enzymes formulated for ASD

> > > children--each company has a different view of enzyme use. "

> > >

> > > Can anyone explain this statement, just curious what it means?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Darla

> > >

> >

>