Re: Re: How much credence on cognitive tests?

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Hi Josh, is 16, he had the full psychometric work up done 3yrs ago and that was really helpful, this was the point he was referred to the LD service of CAMHS but we have found the LD service to be not much good at all.

They acknowledge his OCD and pathological doubting but to say he doesn't have LD's is really sticking your neck out in the face of everyone else saying he has. The LD's are not severe like my youngest but he is 16 and struggling on KS2 , so while that would be brilliant for his brother it's no way on this planet your average 16yr old and this is what the CP is saying he is!

His autism has also been elevated to Asperger Syndrome in this report, sneaky one that, because if we say autism which is his actual diagnosis then we are far more likely to be in LD territory.

Vicky

Re: How much credence on cognitive tests?

Hi Vicky

New to group, how old is ? We had similar tests with our daughter although found the Child Psychologists and Paeds pretty useless in our case as they missed an ASD diagnosis for 6 years.

Josh

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> s cognitive test results are in, according to CP and not sure if this is just down to interpretation, P does not have a learning disability. This is written 3 times in bold.

> The scores still look pretty low ie working memory 4th centile although previously it was below zero, but this is the thing, the 4th centile is IQ index 74 which indicates borderline ability, how does that pan out? 4th centile mean 96% of people will do better, that can't be borderline surely?

> Anyway he is insisting no learning disability, college tested him 3 times and found him to have LD, this man thinks all issues are rooted in OCD and Pathalogical doubting, which we should now be managing ourselves with sports clubs and leisure activities monitoring him watching the News and internet searches of things that may trouble him.

> I had him at running club for well over a year and he has achieved his 5 mile swimming certificate but none of this has altered his learning one iota and if anything has made his self worth considerably worse by being ignored by the other kids.

> Is there any way of checking how these tests are interpreted?

> TIA

> Vicky

>

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Hi Josh, is 16, he had the full psychometric work up done 3yrs ago and that was really helpful, this was the point he was referred to the LD service of CAMHS but we have found the LD service to be not much good at all.

They acknowledge his OCD and pathological doubting but to say he doesn't have LD's is really sticking your neck out in the face of everyone else saying he has. The LD's are not severe like my youngest but he is 16 and struggling on KS2 , so while that would be brilliant for his brother it's no way on this planet your average 16yr old and this is what the CP is saying he is!

His autism has also been elevated to Asperger Syndrome in this report, sneaky one that, because if we say autism which is his actual diagnosis then we are far more likely to be in LD territory.

Vicky

Re: How much credence on cognitive tests?

Hi Vicky

New to group, how old is ? We had similar tests with our daughter although found the Child Psychologists and Paeds pretty useless in our case as they missed an ASD diagnosis for 6 years.

Josh

>

> s cognitive test results are in, according to CP and not sure if this is just down to interpretation, P does not have a learning disability. This is written 3 times in bold.

> The scores still look pretty low ie working memory 4th centile although previously it was below zero, but this is the thing, the 4th centile is IQ index 74 which indicates borderline ability, how does that pan out? 4th centile mean 96% of people will do better, that can't be borderline surely?

> Anyway he is insisting no learning disability, college tested him 3 times and found him to have LD, this man thinks all issues are rooted in OCD and Pathalogical doubting, which we should now be managing ourselves with sports clubs and leisure activities monitoring him watching the News and internet searches of things that may trouble him.

> I had him at running club for well over a year and he has achieved his 5 mile swimming certificate but none of this has altered his learning one iota and if anything has made his self worth considerably worse by being ignored by the other kids.

> Is there any way of checking how these tests are interpreted?

> TIA

> Vicky

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Josh, is 16, he had the full psychometric work up done 3yrs ago and that was really helpful, this was the point he was referred to the LD service of CAMHS but we have found the LD service to be not much good at all.

They acknowledge his OCD and pathological doubting but to say he doesn't have LD's is really sticking your neck out in the face of everyone else saying he has. The LD's are not severe like my youngest but he is 16 and struggling on KS2 , so while that would be brilliant for his brother it's no way on this planet your average 16yr old and this is what the CP is saying he is!

His autism has also been elevated to Asperger Syndrome in this report, sneaky one that, because if we say autism which is his actual diagnosis then we are far more likely to be in LD territory.

Vicky

Re: How much credence on cognitive tests?

Hi Vicky

New to group, how old is ? We had similar tests with our daughter although found the Child Psychologists and Paeds pretty useless in our case as they missed an ASD diagnosis for 6 years.

Josh

>

> s cognitive test results are in, according to CP and not sure if this is just down to interpretation, P does not have a learning disability. This is written 3 times in bold.

> The scores still look pretty low ie working memory 4th centile although previously it was below zero, but this is the thing, the 4th centile is IQ index 74 which indicates borderline ability, how does that pan out? 4th centile mean 96% of people will do better, that can't be borderline surely?

> Anyway he is insisting no learning disability, college tested him 3 times and found him to have LD, this man thinks all issues are rooted in OCD and Pathalogical doubting, which we should now be managing ourselves with sports clubs and leisure activities monitoring him watching the News and internet searches of things that may trouble him.

> I had him at running club for well over a year and he has achieved his 5 mile swimming certificate but none of this has altered his learning one iota and if anything has made his self worth considerably worse by being ignored by the other kids.

> Is there any way of checking how these tests are interpreted?

> TIA

> Vicky

>

[Guest guest]

He didn't give a full IQ only subtest IQ's but I am hoping Margaret that he can go back to CAMHS, was hoping this CP would refer or recommend but he hasn't, his recomendations are that P has no learning disability only OCD and Pathalogical doubting which we should be managing ourselves with sport and leisure pursuits.

Vicky

Re: How much credence on cognitive tests?

However, doesn't this mean that with an IQ of over 70 he can now access mainstream (ie non-learning disabled) psychiatric services which should include access to psychological treatment? Isn't that a good thing in this case?

Margaret

> >

> > s cognitive test results are in, according to CP and not sure if this is just down to interpretation, P does not have a learning disability. This is written 3 times in bold.

> > The scores still look pretty low ie working memory 4th centile although previously it was below zero, but this is the thing, the 4th centile is IQ index 74 which indicates borderline ability, how does that pan out? 4th centile mean 96% of people will do better, that can't be borderline surely?

> > Anyway he is insisting no learning disability, college tested him 3 times and found him to have LD, this man thinks all issues are rooted in OCD and Pathalogical doubting, which we should now be managing ourselves with sports clubs and leisure activities monitoring him watching the News and internet searches of things that may trouble him.

> > I had him at running club for well over a year and he has achieved his 5 mile swimming certificate but none of this has altered his learning one iota and if anything has made his self worth considerably worse by being ignored by the other kids.

> > Is there any way of checking how these tests are interpreted?

> > TIA

> > Vicky

> >

>

[Guest guest]

He didn't give a full IQ only subtest IQ's but I am hoping Margaret that he can go back to CAMHS, was hoping this CP would refer or recommend but he hasn't, his recomendations are that P has no learning disability only OCD and Pathalogical doubting which we should be managing ourselves with sport and leisure pursuits.

Vicky

Re: How much credence on cognitive tests?

However, doesn't this mean that with an IQ of over 70 he can now access mainstream (ie non-learning disabled) psychiatric services which should include access to psychological treatment? Isn't that a good thing in this case?

Margaret

> >

> > s cognitive test results are in, according to CP and not sure if this is just down to interpretation, P does not have a learning disability. This is written 3 times in bold.

> > The scores still look pretty low ie working memory 4th centile although previously it was below zero, but this is the thing, the 4th centile is IQ index 74 which indicates borderline ability, how does that pan out? 4th centile mean 96% of people will do better, that can't be borderline surely?

> > Anyway he is insisting no learning disability, college tested him 3 times and found him to have LD, this man thinks all issues are rooted in OCD and Pathalogical doubting, which we should now be managing ourselves with sports clubs and leisure activities monitoring him watching the News and internet searches of things that may trouble him.

> > I had him at running club for well over a year and he has achieved his 5 mile swimming certificate but none of this has altered his learning one iota and if anything has made his self worth considerably worse by being ignored by the other kids.

> > Is there any way of checking how these tests are interpreted?

> > TIA

> > Vicky

> >

>

[Guest guest]

He didn't give a full IQ only subtest IQ's but I am hoping Margaret that he can go back to CAMHS, was hoping this CP would refer or recommend but he hasn't, his recomendations are that P has no learning disability only OCD and Pathalogical doubting which we should be managing ourselves with sport and leisure pursuits.

Vicky

Re: How much credence on cognitive tests?

However, doesn't this mean that with an IQ of over 70 he can now access mainstream (ie non-learning disabled) psychiatric services which should include access to psychological treatment? Isn't that a good thing in this case?

Margaret

> >

> > s cognitive test results are in, according to CP and not sure if this is just down to interpretation, P does not have a learning disability. This is written 3 times in bold.

> > The scores still look pretty low ie working memory 4th centile although previously it was below zero, but this is the thing, the 4th centile is IQ index 74 which indicates borderline ability, how does that pan out? 4th centile mean 96% of people will do better, that can't be borderline surely?

> > Anyway he is insisting no learning disability, college tested him 3 times and found him to have LD, this man thinks all issues are rooted in OCD and Pathalogical doubting, which we should now be managing ourselves with sports clubs and leisure activities monitoring him watching the News and internet searches of things that may trouble him.

> > I had him at running club for well over a year and he has achieved his 5 mile swimming certificate but none of this has altered his learning one iota and if anything has made his self worth considerably worse by being ignored by the other kids.

> > Is there any way of checking how these tests are interpreted?

> > TIA

> > Vicky

> >

>

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Vicky

I would investigate because someone mention to me before that only something above the 25th percentile would be considered as within the average and therefore not having learning disabilities everyone that fall below the 10th percentile is in the critical zone. Besides saying that a child does not has learning disabilities a sum of several cognitive markers and all have to be assessed to reach such conclusion.....working memory is just one of them, you have processing speed, perceptual reasoning, verbal comprehension and that is just a test

and if the last test was done 3 years ago you can in fact request another testing ..... the minimum time between tests is 2 years you are over so .....

ask to clarify and where do they base this affirmation because being able to accessing the national curriculum is not the same that no having learning disabilities .....

this is one of my old battles with the LEA my son scores like yours below the 10th percentile in most areas and I still have things like it is the other children that cause him to have anxiety behaviours and also why he is still in KS1 how stupid can people be ??? just got his statement back some of his part 3 alineas are hilarious I would laugh if the problem was not serious .....

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Is the |CP meaning community Paed?

Mandoi on laptop expect typos

Hi Josh, is 16, he had the full psychometric work up done 3yrs ago and that was really helpful, this was the point he was referred to the LD service of CAMHS but we have found the LD service to be not much good at all.They acknowledge his OCD and pathological doubting but to say he doesn't have LD's is really sticking your neck out in the face of everyone else saying he has. The LD's are not severe like my youngest but he is 16 and struggling on KS2 , so while that would be brilliant for his brother it's no way on this planet your average 16yr old and this is what the CP is saying he is!His autism has also been elevated to Asperger Syndrome in this report, sneaky one that, because if we say autism which is his actual diagnosis then we are far more likely to be in LD territory.Vicky

Re: How much credence on cognitive tests?

Hi VickyNew to group, how old is ? We had similar tests with our daughter although found the Child Psychologists and Paeds pretty useless in our case as they missed an ASD diagnosis for 6 years.Josh>> s cognitive test results are in, according to CP and not sure if this is just down to interpretation, P does not have a learning disability. This is written 3 times in bold.> The scores still look pretty low ie working memory 4th centile although previously it was below zero, but this is the thing, the 4th centile is IQ index 74 which indicates borderline ability, how does that pan out? 4th centile mean 96% of people will do better, that can't be borderline surely?> Anyway he is insisting no learning disability, college tested him 3 times and found him to have LD, this man thinks all issues are rooted in OCD and Pathalogical doubting, which we should now be managing ourselves with sports clubs and leisure activities monitoring him watching the News and internet searches of things that may trouble him.> I had him at running club for well over a year and he has achieved his 5 mile swimming certificate but none of this has altered his learning one iota and if anything has made his self worth considerably worse by being ignored by the other kids.> Is there any way of checking how these tests are interpreted?> TIA> Vicky>

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Mandy

I assume it was clinical Psy .....

[Guest guest]

WELL THEN I THINK HE NEEDS TO SEE AN EDUCATIONAL PYSCH WHOSE JOB IT IS TO DO THIS STUFF

COMPLETE MADNESS AND SINCE WHEN DO THE TEXTBOOKS SAY ITS THE PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY TO DEAL WITH OCD AND MENTAL ILLNESS?????

I HATE LAPTOPS, MY PC DIED = POOF AND IT WASGONE

Mandy

I assume it was clinical Psy .....

[Guest guest]

Yes, Clinical Psyche, that's who children see with other issues besides educational, or so the story goes.

All the tests have been re-done but the verbal comprehension and processing speed do not have a centile but a comment that says "Not appropriate to interpret due to significant discrepancies between subtests" that alone tells me this isn't the average teen! There are only 2 results one on the 25th which is perceptual reasoning and considering he is quite talented in Art I would still think 25th for attention to detail and visual motor integration is pretty darned low. Working memory of course is desperate at 4th and what to make of unable to interpret?

Mandi, this seems to be the way of it, go off and sort yourself and your kids out, truth is they wouldn't know what to do, this is the same team that turned away also for OCD, you know I would respect them more if they just held their hands up and said they don't know what to do.

Mind you Iv'e met worse, one well known ABA provider who stood in my garden at great expense to County and said...............wait for it, this is good................... "Any idea's guys"?

Vicky

Re: Re: How much credence on cognitive tests?

Vicky

I would investigate because someone mention to me before that only something above the 25th percentile would be considered as within the average and therefore not having learning disabilities everyone that fall below the 10th percentile is in the critical zone. Besides saying that a child does not has learning disabilities a sum of several cognitive markers and all have to be assessed to reach such conclusion.....working memory is just one of them, you have processing speed, perceptual reasoning, verbal comprehension and that is just a test

and if the last test was done 3 years ago you can in fact request another testing ..... the minimum time between tests is 2 years you are over so .....

ask to clarify and where do they base this affirmation because being able to accessing the national curriculum is not the same that no having learning disabilities .....

this is one of my old battles with the LEA my son scores like yours below the 10th percentile in most areas and I still have things like it is the other children that cause him to have anxiety behaviours and also why he is still in KS1 how stupid can people be ??? just got his statement back some of his part 3 alineas are hilarious I would laugh if the problem was not serious .....

[Guest guest]

Vicky

some of the tests are time constricted but our kids take so long that invalidates the answer, basically they fall off the scale the true result would be lower than 0 .....but that would not be realistic because although they have the knowledge they can't access it in a time that is considered for a quantification ....this a proof that the test is not appropriated for autistic kids but because there isn't another one the common answer is to say that the result is inconclusive instead of giving the true results because the all process is just wrong and if we are true to the letter our kids would have failed and they would have to do something .....

if you don't quantify you do not have to act upon .....very common to see that

claudia

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Vicky

some of the tests are time constricted but our kids take so long that invalidates the answer, basically they fall off the scale the true result would be lower than 0 .....but that would not be realistic because although they have the knowledge they can't access it in a time that is considered for a quantification ....this a proof that the test is not appropriated for autistic kids but because there isn't another one the common answer is to say that the result is inconclusive instead of giving the true results because the all process is just wrong and if we are true to the letter our kids would have failed and they would have to do something .....

if you don't quantify you do not have to act upon .....very common to see that

claudia

[Guest guest]

indeed, well put!

mx

Vicky

some of the tests are time constricted but our kids take so long that invalidates the answer, basically they fall off the scale the true result would be lower than 0 .....but that would not be realistic because although they have the knowledge they can't access it in a time that is considered for a quantification ....this a proof that the test is not appropriated for autistic kids but because there isn't another one the common answer is to say that the result is inconclusive instead of giving the true results because the all process is just wrong and if we are true to the letter our kids would have failed and they would have to do something .....

if you don't quantify you do not have to act upon .....very common to see that

claudia

[Guest guest]

indeed, well put!

mx

Vicky

some of the tests are time constricted but our kids take so long that invalidates the answer, basically they fall off the scale the true result would be lower than 0 .....but that would not be realistic because although they have the knowledge they can't access it in a time that is considered for a quantification ....this a proof that the test is not appropriated for autistic kids but because there isn't another one the common answer is to say that the result is inconclusive instead of giving the true results because the all process is just wrong and if we are true to the letter our kids would have failed and they would have to do something .....

if you don't quantify you do not have to act upon .....very common to see that

claudia