Re: Re: stuff

February 11, 2001

Rosemary wrote -

>>>In a way, I kind of think you're lucky. You're only 18 and you

already have an understanding of your nada's behavior (even though it

still feels bad bad bad). So many of us on the list had to wait so

many more years to have any idea why the BP in our lives acted the

way they did. I'm 30, and I just found out about BPD last year! I

wonder how I may have lived my life differently if I had known then

what you know now!<<<<<

Here, Here! If I'd known this when I joined the Air force and left home, I

would have severed all contact then, not 20 years later.

Although, honestly, I'm not sure I would have been strong enough or mature

enough. Looking back , I was acting very much like the " waif " ,

back then.

Ilene

February 11, 2001

Ilene wrote:

<<

Here, Here! If I'd known this when I joined the Air force and left home, I

would have severed all contact then, not 20 years later. Although, honestly,

I'm not sure I would have been strong enough or mature enough. Looking back ,

I was acting very much like the " waif " , back then.

>>

Ilene,

I'm still reading Understanding the Borderline Mother, but I made it through

the Waif section the other day, and saw some of myself there too! When I

highlighted things, I would put 'M' next to things that applied to my nada, and

my initial next to things that applied to me! Funny thing, there wasn't any

overlap (things that applied to both of us). I think I worked really hard to

not be like her, but I still see some waif-like behavior in me, particularly in

my past (not so much now, thankfully).

Anyways, I was intrigued to see you say the same thing!

Hugs,

Anon

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March 21, 2001

already_free wrote:

> But her selfish father didn't think girls needed to go to college

> and wouldn't agree to send her. This story is told with real

> expressions of hate for her father.

My nada was also prevented from doing what she thought she wanted to do by

her parents, who:

1. prevented her from taking any academic courses in high school (only

shorhand, typing, bookkeeping)

2. prevented her from leaving home until she married. (although she quickly

returned home when she left my father. There she stayed, with bitterness,

till both parents died).

> But the really weird thing about her story of being the star English

> student is this: I have never seen her read a book in my entire life!

I never saw nada read either, when I lived with her. Ever. She lacked any

kind of concentration, I believe.

>

> What does the unwillingness or inability to read signify? Is it

> common among BPDs?

Good question. My nada does read, now. But it is unselective - just any

paperbacks she can get from Thrift shops for 10 cents each. She reads while

walking, to pass the time. Oh, yes, did I mention she walks backward?

there's a broken hip waiting to happen.

The piece de resistance - nada reads a page in a book, then carefully tears

it out and throws it away. She will hack a book into sections, and carry a

section at a time, bound with a rubber band. Then read and tear. Another

attention-getter? As a book-lover, I cannot conceive of such wanton

destruction.

Yet, she used to harangue me for folding back the corner of a page, to mark

my place.

March 21, 2001

already_free wrote:

> But her selfish father didn't think girls needed to go to college

> and wouldn't agree to send her. This story is told with real

> expressions of hate for her father.

My nada was also prevented from doing what she thought she wanted to do by

her parents, who:

1. prevented her from taking any academic courses in high school (only

shorhand, typing, bookkeeping)

2. prevented her from leaving home until she married. (although she quickly

returned home when she left my father. There she stayed, with bitterness,

till both parents died).

> But the really weird thing about her story of being the star English

> student is this: I have never seen her read a book in my entire life!

I never saw nada read either, when I lived with her. Ever. She lacked any

kind of concentration, I believe.

>

> What does the unwillingness or inability to read signify? Is it

> common among BPDs?

Good question. My nada does read, now. But it is unselective - just any

paperbacks she can get from Thrift shops for 10 cents each. She reads while

walking, to pass the time. Oh, yes, did I mention she walks backward?

there's a broken hip waiting to happen.

The piece de resistance - nada reads a page in a book, then carefully tears

it out and throws it away. She will hack a book into sections, and carry a

section at a time, bound with a rubber band. Then read and tear. Another

attention-getter? As a book-lover, I cannot conceive of such wanton

destruction.

Yet, she used to harangue me for folding back the corner of a page, to mark

my place.

March 22, 2001

In a message dated 3/21/01 4:57:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,

already_free@... writes:

<<

But when I was in Junior high school, a woman who was friends with my

parents went to college. I asked mom if she wouldn't find this a

good opportunity to go herself, since she would have someone else her

age to go with. She wrote that idea off immediately, and later then

blamed my dad for not " allowing her to go " .

>>

we had a lot of the same kind of thing - complaining that someone else " didnt

let her do it " or " she couldn't do it now b/c she was too old, etc " or that

" we didn't want to do it with her (play tennis, cards, etc) so she couldn't " .

I've come to the conclusion that she really didn't want to do it anyway,

never really got to that point, just was making someone else responsible for

her life.

Lissa

March 24, 2001

> we had a lot of the same kind of thing - complaining that someone else " didnt

> let her do it " or " she couldn't do it now b/c she was too old, etc " or that

> " we didn't want to do it with her (play tennis, cards, etc) so she couldn't " .

> I've come to the conclusion that she really didn't want to do it anyway,

> never really got to that point, just was making someone else responsible for

> her life.

>

> Lissa

My nada complains to me endlessly about how she is bored/lonely/fatigued/etc.

Whenever I suggest that she could join a class, volunteer, join a gym, or

whatever is appropriate to the conversation she says she can't do it because:

1) money (a whole other pathological topic about her complete paranoia and

lying about her financial situation)

2) she has some other medical procedure/invasive tests scheduled

3) she is recovering from the latest surgery

I have realized that she just wants to complain and use her health as an excuse

for everything (her doctor refuses to see her sometimes because she is there

practically every other day). She doesn't really want to do any of these

things,

she just wants to complain that she can't do them because of her health so that

I can feel bad for her, and so that she can feel okay about not doing them.

--Milena

March 24, 2001

> we had a lot of the same kind of thing - complaining that someone else " didnt

> let her do it " or " she couldn't do it now b/c she was too old, etc " or that

> " we didn't want to do it with her (play tennis, cards, etc) so she couldn't " .

> I've come to the conclusion that she really didn't want to do it anyway,

> never really got to that point, just was making someone else responsible for

> her life.

>

> Lissa

My nada complains to me endlessly about how she is bored/lonely/fatigued/etc.

Whenever I suggest that she could join a class, volunteer, join a gym, or

whatever is appropriate to the conversation she says she can't do it because:

1) money (a whole other pathological topic about her complete paranoia and

lying about her financial situation)

2) she has some other medical procedure/invasive tests scheduled

3) she is recovering from the latest surgery

I have realized that she just wants to complain and use her health as an excuse

for everything (her doctor refuses to see her sometimes because she is there

practically every other day). She doesn't really want to do any of these

things,

she just wants to complain that she can't do them because of her health so that

I can feel bad for her, and so that she can feel okay about not doing them.

--Milena

March 24, 2001

> we had a lot of the same kind of thing - complaining that someone else " didnt

> let her do it " or " she couldn't do it now b/c she was too old, etc " or that

> " we didn't want to do it with her (play tennis, cards, etc) so she couldn't " .

> I've come to the conclusion that she really didn't want to do it anyway,

> never really got to that point, just was making someone else responsible for

> her life.

>

> Lissa

My nada complains to me endlessly about how she is bored/lonely/fatigued/etc.

Whenever I suggest that she could join a class, volunteer, join a gym, or

whatever is appropriate to the conversation she says she can't do it because:

1) money (a whole other pathological topic about her complete paranoia and

lying about her financial situation)

2) she has some other medical procedure/invasive tests scheduled

3) she is recovering from the latest surgery

I have realized that she just wants to complain and use her health as an excuse

for everything (her doctor refuses to see her sometimes because she is there

practically every other day). She doesn't really want to do any of these

things,

she just wants to complain that she can't do them because of her health so that

I can feel bad for her, and so that she can feel okay about not doing them.

--Milena

March 25, 2001

Hi Milena,

I've had the same experiences with my nada. Bored, complaints of bad health,

of being denied what she had always wanted, the list goes on, and on, and

on.....She has always complained about her health.She has a list of doctors she

has seen over the years. I now know that she'd move on to the next one if the

present one got too close. She'd blame my dad for not seeing her side of the

family, who lives downstate, when there was nothing stopping her from getting in

the car and going herself.

Shortly after my dad had died, I found out that she refused to sign the

non-contest the will forms, she said that if she couldn't inherit the mineral

rights, then we couldn't have it either. (We took her to the court house and she

signed the papers!!!) My youngest bro went into debt to pay off her bills, and

now she's talking about selling the house and taking off, leaving him to hold

the bag.

As I said, it goes on and on......

I find that I don't really wonder any more if my (chosen) distance from her

was the right one. I've heard enough to realize that my dads death has caused

her to step up her antics. And with a bro and sis backing her up, there seems to

be no stopping her. My secret hope is that she will move away. My family no

longer goes at me directly, they go through my eldest, and it's been hard on

her. SSooooo, here's hoping, huh? Loving the Michigan weather,

Re: Re: Stuff

> we had a lot of the same kind of thing - complaining that someone else

" didnt

> let her do it " or " she couldn't do it now b/c she was too old, etc " or that

> " we didn't want to do it with her (play tennis, cards, etc) so she

couldn't " .

> I've come to the conclusion that she really didn't want to do it anyway,

> never really got to that point, just was making someone else responsible for

> her life.

>

> Lissa

My nada complains to me endlessly about how she is bored/lonely/fatigued/etc.

Whenever I suggest that she could join a class, volunteer, join a gym, or

whatever is appropriate to the conversation she says she can't do it because:

1) money (a whole other pathological topic about her complete paranoia and

lying about her financial situation)

2) she has some other medical procedure/invasive tests scheduled

3) she is recovering from the latest surgery

I have realized that she just wants to complain and use her health as an

excuse

for everything (her doctor refuses to see her sometimes because she is there

practically every other day). She doesn't really want to do any of these

things,

she just wants to complain that she can't do them because of her health so

that

I can feel bad for her, and so that she can feel okay about not doing them.

--Milena

March 25, 2001

Hi Milena,

I've had the same experiences with my nada. Bored, complaints of bad health,

of being denied what she had always wanted, the list goes on, and on, and

on.....She has always complained about her health.She has a list of doctors she

has seen over the years. I now know that she'd move on to the next one if the

present one got too close. She'd blame my dad for not seeing her side of the

family, who lives downstate, when there was nothing stopping her from getting in

the car and going herself.

Shortly after my dad had died, I found out that she refused to sign the

non-contest the will forms, she said that if she couldn't inherit the mineral

rights, then we couldn't have it either. (We took her to the court house and she

signed the papers!!!) My youngest bro went into debt to pay off her bills, and

now she's talking about selling the house and taking off, leaving him to hold

the bag.

As I said, it goes on and on......

I find that I don't really wonder any more if my (chosen) distance from her

was the right one. I've heard enough to realize that my dads death has caused

her to step up her antics. And with a bro and sis backing her up, there seems to

be no stopping her. My secret hope is that she will move away. My family no

longer goes at me directly, they go through my eldest, and it's been hard on

her. SSooooo, here's hoping, huh? Loving the Michigan weather,

Re: Re: Stuff

> we had a lot of the same kind of thing - complaining that someone else

" didnt

> let her do it " or " she couldn't do it now b/c she was too old, etc " or that

> " we didn't want to do it with her (play tennis, cards, etc) so she

couldn't " .

> I've come to the conclusion that she really didn't want to do it anyway,

> never really got to that point, just was making someone else responsible for

> her life.

>

> Lissa

My nada complains to me endlessly about how she is bored/lonely/fatigued/etc.

Whenever I suggest that she could join a class, volunteer, join a gym, or

whatever is appropriate to the conversation she says she can't do it because:

1) money (a whole other pathological topic about her complete paranoia and

lying about her financial situation)

2) she has some other medical procedure/invasive tests scheduled

3) she is recovering from the latest surgery

I have realized that she just wants to complain and use her health as an

excuse

for everything (her doctor refuses to see her sometimes because she is there

practically every other day). She doesn't really want to do any of these

things,

she just wants to complain that she can't do them because of her health so

that

I can feel bad for her, and so that she can feel okay about not doing them.

--Milena

March 25, 2001

Hi Milena,

I've had the same experiences with my nada. Bored, complaints of bad health,

of being denied what she had always wanted, the list goes on, and on, and

on.....She has always complained about her health.She has a list of doctors she

has seen over the years. I now know that she'd move on to the next one if the

present one got too close. She'd blame my dad for not seeing her side of the

family, who lives downstate, when there was nothing stopping her from getting in

the car and going herself.

Shortly after my dad had died, I found out that she refused to sign the

non-contest the will forms, she said that if she couldn't inherit the mineral

rights, then we couldn't have it either. (We took her to the court house and she

signed the papers!!!) My youngest bro went into debt to pay off her bills, and

now she's talking about selling the house and taking off, leaving him to hold

the bag.

As I said, it goes on and on......

I find that I don't really wonder any more if my (chosen) distance from her

was the right one. I've heard enough to realize that my dads death has caused

her to step up her antics. And with a bro and sis backing her up, there seems to

be no stopping her. My secret hope is that she will move away. My family no

longer goes at me directly, they go through my eldest, and it's been hard on

her. SSooooo, here's hoping, huh? Loving the Michigan weather,

Re: Re: Stuff

> we had a lot of the same kind of thing - complaining that someone else

" didnt

> let her do it " or " she couldn't do it now b/c she was too old, etc " or that

> " we didn't want to do it with her (play tennis, cards, etc) so she

couldn't " .

> I've come to the conclusion that she really didn't want to do it anyway,

> never really got to that point, just was making someone else responsible for

> her life.

>

> Lissa

My nada complains to me endlessly about how she is bored/lonely/fatigued/etc.

Whenever I suggest that she could join a class, volunteer, join a gym, or

whatever is appropriate to the conversation she says she can't do it because:

1) money (a whole other pathological topic about her complete paranoia and

lying about her financial situation)

2) she has some other medical procedure/invasive tests scheduled

3) she is recovering from the latest surgery

I have realized that she just wants to complain and use her health as an

excuse

for everything (her doctor refuses to see her sometimes because she is there

practically every other day). She doesn't really want to do any of these

things,

she just wants to complain that she can't do them because of her health so

that

I can feel bad for her, and so that she can feel okay about not doing them.

--Milena

March 25, 2001

My Nada is constantly complaining about some medical condition that she has.

Granted some of them are actual problems, but others the doctors can't

find a diagnosis for. Then if someone in the family complains about

something minor like a sore throat she goes of in this sarcastic voice " My

god we better rush you to the hospital. Get over it your not going to die. "

Does anyone else have a nada that does these kinds of things? and is this

a common thing for bpd to exaggerate medical problems for attention?

>

>Reply-To: ModOasis

>To: ModOasis <ModOasis >

>Subject: Re: Re: Stuff

>Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:43:39 -0500

>

> > we had a lot of the same kind of thing - complaining that someone else

> " didnt

> > let her do it " or " she couldn't do it now b/c she was too old, etc " or

>that

> > " we didn't want to do it with her (play tennis, cards, etc) so she

>couldn't " .

> > I've come to the conclusion that she really didn't want to do it

>anyway,

> > never really got to that point, just was making someone else responsible

>for

> > her life.

> >

> > Lissa

>

>My nada complains to me endlessly about how she is

>bored/lonely/fatigued/etc.

>Whenever I suggest that she could join a class, volunteer, join a gym, or

>whatever is appropriate to the conversation she says she can't do it

>because:

>

>1) money (a whole other pathological topic about her complete paranoia and

>lying about her financial situation)

>2) she has some other medical procedure/invasive tests scheduled

>3) she is recovering from the latest surgery

>

>I have realized that she just wants to complain and use her health as an

>excuse

>for everything (her doctor refuses to see her sometimes because she is

>there

>practically every other day). She doesn't really want to do any of these

>things,

>she just wants to complain that she can't do them because of her health so

>that

>I can feel bad for her, and so that she can feel okay about not doing them.

>

>--Milena

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March 26, 2001

In a message dated 3/26/01 3:56:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rpicado@... writes:

<< >>is this a common thing for bpd to exaggerate medical problems for

attention?<<

You bet! My nada has been dying since the day she was born. She used

to tell us when we were little that if she died " It was OK to be mad

at God. " As I got older, my response became, " Don't worry Nada,

you'll end up burying us all. " Then when she actually did get sick,

she was thrilled.

>>

YEPO!!! my fada declairs the death thing all the time. When I was 10, he

promissed me his extensive record collection when he died, although he made

sure I knew that I did not deserve it. he repetedly said he would die in the

next year. Heart attack he would say. And you'll have that record colection

anytime now! And now I don't own a record player. Not many of us do any more

Hmm...is that irony or something eles?

March 26, 2001

In a message dated 3/26/01 3:56:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rpicado@... writes:

<< >>is this a common thing for bpd to exaggerate medical problems for

attention?<<

You bet! My nada has been dying since the day she was born. She used

to tell us when we were little that if she died " It was OK to be mad

at God. " As I got older, my response became, " Don't worry Nada,

you'll end up burying us all. " Then when she actually did get sick,

she was thrilled.

>>

YEPO!!! my fada declairs the death thing all the time. When I was 10, he

promissed me his extensive record collection when he died, although he made

sure I knew that I did not deserve it. he repetedly said he would die in the

next year. Heart attack he would say. And you'll have that record colection

anytime now! And now I don't own a record player. Not many of us do any more

Hmm...is that irony or something eles?

March 26, 2001

In a message dated 3/24/01 6:44:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,

marchesi@... writes:

<< have realized that she just wants to complain and use her health as an

excuse

for everything (her doctor refuses to see her sometimes because she is there

practically every other day). She doesn't really want to do any of these

things,

she just wants to complain that she can't do them because of her health so

that

I can feel bad for her, and so that she can feel okay about not doing them.

>>

Milena, we have the doctor thing too. she's been doing it ever since I can

remember. She thinks her doctors don't like her - she's right.

Lissa

March 26, 2001

In a message dated 3/25/01 7:20:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,

wjseetch@... writes:

<< She'd blame my dad for not seeing her side of the family, who lives

downstate, when there was nothing stopping her from getting in the car and

going herself. >>

, we had this soooo much! She couldn't do anything she wanted to do if

we didn't do it with her.

Lissa

March 26, 2001

In a message dated 3/26/01 2:15:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,

already_free@... writes:

<<

The rub is that actually her health is better than most everyone

around her, even those of us much younger.

>>

, so is my nada's. she is the healthiest 88 year old I have ever seen.

she got knocked down by a car two years ago and was shaken up but was

perfectly fine. no broken bones! go figure! It's everyone else's health

that get ruined from dealing with nadas! my father looked 1000 when he died.

Lissa

March 26, 2001

In a message dated 3/26/01 2:15:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,

already_free@... writes:

<<

The rub is that actually her health is better than most everyone

around her, even those of us much younger.

>>

, so is my nada's. she is the healthiest 88 year old I have ever seen.

she got knocked down by a car two years ago and was shaken up but was

perfectly fine. no broken bones! go figure! It's everyone else's health

that get ruined from dealing with nadas! my father looked 1000 when he died.

Lissa

March 26, 2001

In a message dated 3/26/01 2:15:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,

already_free@... writes:

<<

The rub is that actually her health is better than most everyone

around her, even those of us much younger.

>>

, so is my nada's. she is the healthiest 88 year old I have ever seen.

she got knocked down by a car two years ago and was shaken up but was

perfectly fine. no broken bones! go figure! It's everyone else's health

that get ruined from dealing with nadas! my father looked 1000 when he died.

Lissa

March 27, 2001

They suck the life out of everyone around them, while whining and

complaining constantly of their trials and tribulations.

Cyndy

--- mteel62568@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/26/01 2:15:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> already_free@... writes:

>

> <<

> The rub is that actually her health is better than most everyone

> around her, even those of us much younger.

> >>

>

> , so is my nada's. she is the healthiest 88 year old I have

> ever seen.

> she got knocked down by a car two years ago and was shaken up but

> was

> perfectly fine. no broken bones! go figure! It's everyone else's

> health

> that get ruined from dealing with nadas! my father looked 1000

> when he died.

>

> Lissa

>

=====

PEACE and HEALING

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http://www.hypnosis-audio.com

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March 27, 2001

They suck the life out of everyone around them, while whining and

complaining constantly of their trials and tribulations.

Cyndy

--- mteel62568@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/26/01 2:15:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> already_free@... writes:

>

> <<

> The rub is that actually her health is better than most everyone

> around her, even those of us much younger.

> >>

>

> , so is my nada's. she is the healthiest 88 year old I have

> ever seen.

> she got knocked down by a car two years ago and was shaken up but

> was

> perfectly fine. no broken bones! go figure! It's everyone else's

> health

> that get ruined from dealing with nadas! my father looked 1000

> when he died.

>

> Lissa

>

=====

PEACE and HEALING

/group/depression-cause-cure

http://www.hypnosis-audio.com

http://www.emofree.com

__________________________________________________

March 27, 2001

They suck the life out of everyone around them, while whining and

complaining constantly of their trials and tribulations.

Cyndy

--- mteel62568@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/26/01 2:15:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> already_free@... writes:

>

> <<

> The rub is that actually her health is better than most everyone

> around her, even those of us much younger.

> >>

>

> , so is my nada's. she is the healthiest 88 year old I have

> ever seen.

> she got knocked down by a car two years ago and was shaken up but

> was

> perfectly fine. no broken bones! go figure! It's everyone else's

> health

> that get ruined from dealing with nadas! my father looked 1000

> when he died.

>

> Lissa

>

=====

PEACE and HEALING

/group/depression-cause-cure

http://www.hypnosis-audio.com

http://www.emofree.com

__________________________________________________

March 27, 2001

And if we did do something with her, there were always conditions attached!!

The latest is now she has approached a friend who has family and friends in

Pennconning. She said that she's sick of it up here and wants to sell the house

and move. She asked my friend if her friends have or knew of places to rent.

My friend told me that she didn't help my nada. She said, " I've known you for

over 10 years, , and I've seen you dragged through the mud not only by your

mother, but by others in your family as well. I know your mother is not

dependable. " but she did feel bad.

I told her that she did the right thing! Much as I'd love some physical

distance, there's no way I'd send her on her way onto some poor unsuspecting

person. We live in a very small town, and the possibility of running into her is

very high. For over a year now the family agreement is to NOT talk to me.

However, that doesn't stop them from involving my daughters. My eldest

especially. I'd rather nada moved and have less to deal with. (I'm sooo bad!)-

:0)

Re: Re: Re: Stuff

In a message dated 3/25/01 7:20:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,

wjseetch@... writes:

<< She'd blame my dad for not seeing her side of the family, who lives

downstate, when there was nothing stopping her from getting in the car and

going herself. >>

, we had this soooo much! She couldn't do anything she wanted to do if

we didn't do it with her.

Lissa

March 27, 2001

,

I really feel for you. I've also had to deal with family since I've cut off

my parents. They just don't seem to want to understand the depth of the

hurt that my parents cause me. They are stuck in the family protection mode

-- don't do anything to disrupt " peace " . (I'd like to know how they can

call a BPD peaceful, but HEY...at least I don't have to deal with her

anymore) I support your decision to not encourage your mother's move, if

that matters. :-)

Steph----

>

>Reply-To: ModOasis

>To: <ModOasis >

>Subject: Re: Re: Re: Stuff

>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:12:22 -0500

>

>And if we did do something with her, there were always conditions

>attached!!

> The latest is now she has approached a friend who has family and friends

>in Pennconning. She said that she's sick of it up here and wants to sell

>the house and move. She asked my friend if her friends have or knew of

>places to rent. My friend told me that she didn't help my nada. She said, "

>I've known you for over 10 years, , and I've seen you dragged through

>the mud not only by your mother, but by others in your family as well. I

>know your mother is not dependable. " but she did feel bad.

>I told her that she did the right thing! Much as I'd love some physical

>distance, there's no way I'd send her on her way onto some poor

>unsuspecting person. We live in a very small town, and the possibility of

>running into her is very high. For over a year now the family agreement is

>to NOT talk to me. However, that doesn't stop them from involving my

>daughters. My eldest especially. I'd rather nada moved and have less to

>deal with. (I'm sooo bad!)- :0)

> Re: Re: Re: Stuff

>

> In a message dated 3/25/01 7:20:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> wjseetch@... writes:

>

> << She'd blame my dad for not seeing her side of the family, who lives

> downstate, when there was nothing stopping her from getting in the car

>and

> going herself. >>

>

> , we had this soooo much! She couldn't do anything she wanted to

>do if

> we didn't do it with her.

>

> Lissa

>

March 27, 2001