Re: Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder

[Guest guest]

Run the TLC and see what happens. I work with many personality

disorders as a counselor (not with neurofeedback) and find that anxiety has quite

a bit to do with many (including this one). Also, every personality

disorder I see has either neglect or trauma somewhere in their youth.

(some worse than others and I am sure there are some that don’t have this,

I just have not seen them). The good news is that if she has a friend

(you), she most likely is not as severe as others I see who cannot have a

relationship with anyone.

I would try the TLC. Also, once you run it I would love

to know what showed on it!! I would think it would be a high wave

disorder.

I personally think neurofeedback would be the therapy of choice

for these people and I wish I could use it. Meds just mask the problem

and don’t seem to really help. Many are on antianxiety meds. Talk

therapy can help but it takes a long time and most personality disorders get

irritated when you try to challenge some of their core disordered coping

mechinisims. I sit there and think, “I want to hook them up!!”

Connie

From: braintrainer

[mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of renekay97213

Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 12:27 PM

To: braintrainer

Subject: Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder

Has anyone treated Obsessive Compulsive

Personality Disorder (not OCD)

this with nf?

I have a friend who has been disgnosed with this and asked if

neurofeedback could help. Symptoms include: perfectionism,

overworking, truth owning, inability to relax, always has to have

things in order. And, lots of anger when things don't go her way.

[Guest guest]

Run the TLC and see what happens. I work with many personality

disorders as a counselor (not with neurofeedback) and find that anxiety has quite

a bit to do with many (including this one). Also, every personality

disorder I see has either neglect or trauma somewhere in their youth.

(some worse than others and I am sure there are some that don’t have this,

I just have not seen them). The good news is that if she has a friend

(you), she most likely is not as severe as others I see who cannot have a

relationship with anyone.

I would try the TLC. Also, once you run it I would love

to know what showed on it!! I would think it would be a high wave

disorder.

I personally think neurofeedback would be the therapy of choice

for these people and I wish I could use it. Meds just mask the problem

and don’t seem to really help. Many are on antianxiety meds. Talk

therapy can help but it takes a long time and most personality disorders get

irritated when you try to challenge some of their core disordered coping

mechinisims. I sit there and think, “I want to hook them up!!”

Connie

From: braintrainer

[mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of renekay97213

Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 12:27 PM

To: braintrainer

Subject: Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder

Has anyone treated Obsessive Compulsive

Personality Disorder (not OCD)

this with nf?

I have a friend who has been disgnosed with this and asked if

neurofeedback could help. Symptoms include: perfectionism,

overworking, truth owning, inability to relax, always has to have

things in order. And, lots of anger when things don't go her way.

[Guest guest]

obsessive thought and compulsive behaviors are often used as a way of covering over either anxiety or depression, so you need to be sure to deal with what is underneath the defense before you just go in and blast it away--if the brain LETS you blast it away. I agree with Connie that a TLC is a great way to start, because you'll get a better idea if you are looking at depression or anxiety as well as what the pattern is that is related to the O/C behaviors. Some clients will show a hot cingulate (shows up at Fz or Cz); others will have high fast-wave coherences.

Start training what is underneath first, and the intellectual defenses will usually recede before you even start messing with the symptoms. Then the O/C material is much easier to train.Pete

Has anyone treated Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (not OCD)

this with nf?

I have a friend who has been disgnosed with this and asked if

neurofeedback could help. Symptoms include: perfectionism,

overworking, truth owning, inability to relax, always has to have

things in order. And, lots of anger when things don't go her way. -- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...

http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc.

[Guest guest]

QEEG/Neurofeedback and Obsessive Compulsive Disorder

Emerging Treatment Approach?

http://www.louisemarks.com/MarksOCDarticle.html

If neurofeedback practitioners obtain positive results using EEG

biofeedback as a standalone or supplementary treatment for OCD, they

owe it to OCD sufferers to publish their findings and reach out to a

larger audience. I would also like to see biofeedback practitioners

become acquainted with the CBT variants that have shown merit, and

consider integrating them into their practices.

My hunch is that biofeedback and neurofeedback will aid in the

cultivation of what Schwartz calls " directed mental force " . This mind-

willed directed force mediated through the frontal cortex serves as a

buffer to the OCD pathological brain circuitry. With repeated

practice, the faulty wiring is dampened and symptoms subside.

>

> Has anyone treated Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (not

OCD)

> this with nf?

>

> I have a friend who has been disgnosed with this and asked if

> neurofeedback could help. Symptoms include: perfectionism,

> overworking, truth owning, inability to relax, always has to have

> things in order. And, lots of anger when things don't go her way.

>

[Guest guest]

QEEG/Neurofeedback and Obsessive Compulsive Disorder

Emerging Treatment Approach?

http://www.louisemarks.com/MarksOCDarticle.html

If neurofeedback practitioners obtain positive results using EEG

biofeedback as a standalone or supplementary treatment for OCD, they

owe it to OCD sufferers to publish their findings and reach out to a

larger audience. I would also like to see biofeedback practitioners

become acquainted with the CBT variants that have shown merit, and

consider integrating them into their practices.

My hunch is that biofeedback and neurofeedback will aid in the

cultivation of what Schwartz calls " directed mental force " . This mind-

willed directed force mediated through the frontal cortex serves as a

buffer to the OCD pathological brain circuitry. With repeated

practice, the faulty wiring is dampened and symptoms subside.

>

> Has anyone treated Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (not

OCD)

> this with nf?

>

> I have a friend who has been disgnosed with this and asked if

> neurofeedback could help. Symptoms include: perfectionism,

> overworking, truth owning, inability to relax, always has to have

> things in order. And, lots of anger when things don't go her way.

>

[Guest guest]

The brain is not actually " wired " like a toaster. It forms and terminates connections constantly, so the idea that there is " faulty " wiring or circuitry is probably not terribly helpful. The brain learns responses/strategies for dealing with challenges, and these do show up in the activation patterns of brain energy, where they tend to be quite stable. However, to suggest that OCD, which is generally a strategy adopted by a specific brain to block excessive depressive or anxious feelings, is anything other than an increasingly dysfunctional strategy has no real basis of which I'm aware. It is already an overly frontal-lobe oriented attempt to intellectualize experience to avoid feeling it. Hence the anterior cingulate, which performs the function (among others) of serving as the spigot which determines how much or how little emotional material from the limbic system gets to the prefrontal cortex (pfc) to be integrated into the decision-making process, is already over-working. That's why it gets " hot " with excessive fastwave activity--and later " burned out " .

The idea of brain training is that one can identify the places where the excess limbic energy is showing up cortically and train to reduce those levels, which reduces the " pressure " of emotional drive and allows the cingulate to perform in a more functional way. Since another function of the cingulate/basal ganglia/orbitofrontal cortex loop is to send messages to the pfc when a task has been completed, the previously overworked cingulate now has more capacity available to handle this task and the " skipping " which characterizes OCD--not recognizing when something is done so the pfc can move on.

You may find it useful to go to the Files area of this list (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/braintrainer/files ) and download the " compbiblio " file from the Articles folder. Neurofeedback providers have been obtaining positive results with OCD for many years and there are several journal articles listed in the bibliography to which I refer, as well as a number of books, popular or scientific that are available to anyone who is interested.

Pete

QEEG/Neurofeedback and Obsessive Compulsive Disorder

Emerging Treatment Approach?

http://www.louisemarks.com/MarksOCDarticle.html

If neurofeedback practitioners obtain positive results using EEG

biofeedback as a standalone or supplementary treatment for OCD, they

owe it to OCD sufferers to publish their findings and reach out to a

larger audience. I would also like to see biofeedback practitioners

become acquainted with the CBT variants that have shown merit, and

consider integrating them into their practices.

My hunch is that biofeedback and neurofeedback will aid in the

cultivation of what Schwartz calls " directed mental force " . This mind-

willed directed force mediated through the frontal cortex serves as a

buffer to the OCD pathological brain circuitry. With repeated

practice, the faulty wiring is dampened and symptoms subside. -- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...

http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc.