Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Hi Debbi, please don't feel guilty for making a parent's decision about what's right for your son. All we can ever do, is do what we think is right in a situation, in the moment. It's not like this program is going to disappear tomorrow: if you change your mind or other things change, you can reconsider this option. I would certainly tell the referring psychiatrist what you've decided and why. She may have been mislead about the partial hospitalization program and would benefit from knowing about your experience with it. By all means search for another psychiatrist if you no longer have confidence in this one. We enter into partnerships with these docs to get our kids well, and that's very difficult if you no longer have faith in your " partner's " judgment. Over time, reading posts to this list, it seems the most common problem parents run into with hospitalization for their OCD child, is that some hospitals do not know how to treat OCD specifically. Dr. Aureen, adviser to this list, has many times suggested anxiety programs and professionals affiliated with hospitals as being among the best and most up-to-date. A children's OCD clinic at UCLA sounds like it would certainly be a likely choice to help your son. (((Hugs))) and good luck in finding appropriate treatment for your son! Kathy R. in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: <debbiap@... > Hi again, > > I am feeling sort of guilty here because I decided to withdraw my 9 yr old > son from the partial hospitalization program. It is not the right program > for > him. Plus, I really feel like they weren't doing what I was told they > would do. > > I was told that he would be placed in a small group of children all his > age > with the same problems. (ocd and depression) Told that the pysch would be > with > him all day to learn all his habits and be able to make a good diagnosis. > Told > that he would have lots of fun going to art class, recess, and school 2 to > 3 > hours a day. Told there were other partial kids with him and some that > stayed > full time. > > Instead he was with 15 kids up to age 13. None of the other kids were > partial > patients. The rules are different, full timers get visits and get time to > play with toys (etc), phone calls and are allowed to go to their rooms, > patials > don't get to participate in this. My son sat in the hallway in a chair > during > the full timers free time. He asked if he could bring a stuffed animal > tomorrow > (since full timers had them at the therapy sessions) and was told he > couldn't > because he's partial. All of these kids were in for anger management. They > were threatening to kill each other. Several times kids were put in > solitary and > all kids would lose points (including my son). They use points to buy > things. > His never saw his psych, they handed out one page of math problems for > " school " and they never had recess or exercise (both on the schedule). I > asked if my > son would be able to use his points to buy things in the " store " like the > full timers and they said they would make sure he did (they spend their > points > each day). This never happened. > > I told the staff when I took my son in, that he is very well behaved, a > really sweet kid, easily bullied. They said they would look out for him, > but I feel > they didn't. He was soooo stressed out when I picked him up, he looked > like > he cried all day. On the way home he told me horror stories (and learned > some > not so good words). The stories just made him cry and cry. Kids talking of > abuse they've received from parents. Graphic abuse. > > What really got me was that the psych called me earlier today and told me > that they would work on one thing at a time. Today they would get rid of a > bag he > was holding (to keep things in). She also said ds was hanging on to a > paper > cup and they would work on his throwing out the cup tomorrow. Well, when I > picked him up I saw a staff member grab the cup from ds and throw it in > the trash. > DS really started crying and trying to explain that he was told he could > keep > this one thing. The guy told him to " stop it " . He actually looks at me and > says, " What's wrong with him? " " Why are you crying? " I told the man to > give ds > the cup. He said, " I thought we were suppose to throw out all his trash. " > Then > he asked someone else about it and that man said he didn't know. (These > are > two men that were working with my son) I told them the Dr told me he > could > keep it till tomorrow. The man got it out of the trash and then tells DS, > " just > toss this one, I'll get you a new one instead. " I thought to myself, this > guy > doesn't get it. DS is keeping the cup because ds used it, he doesn't want > a new > cup. Who is working with my son? I wanted out of there. > > Anyway, I really feel like this place has only added to the stress. I > really > think that since this staff is so use to dealing with angry kids, they > have a > habit of yelling and punishing them " all " . It was pretty sad. The worst > was, I > was told by 2 staff members that partial ended at 4pm. So I told ds that I > would pick him up at 4. When I saw on a form that they get out at 5, I > asked if > I could tell ds this. They told me they would tell him themselves. I said > they > really needed to tell him because he would be waiting for me and would > probably cry from 4 till 5 thinking I didn't come back for him. They > promised to let > him know. They of course didn't. > > I made sure I was there before 4 just in case. I asked at the front desk > to > go upstairs to my son and she said I couldn't go in till 5pm with all the > visitors. So I waited an hour, still not knowing they never told him. When > I > finally got upstairs to get him, he was in the hallway in a chair (behind > a door > with a window) crying. He told me he had waited for me since 4. I > explained that > they should have told him I'd be there at 5, but instead they told him, if > I > arrived at 4 that I would be allowed to take him home early. So here he > was, > thinking I had abandoned him! Ack! I just wanted to scream. > > So, now where do we go? Should we continue with the psych who suggested > this > program? Do I trust her any more? Should I search for a new one? I am > feeling > pretty lost at the moment, but am just so happy to have my son home and > tucked > in bed. He also told me that he was determined to be like the guy in A > Beautiful Mind and just get it under control himself! He never wants to go > back. I > am thinking the OCD Children's Center at UCLA would be better, since it's > just > that...for children with OCD. I'm not sure just now where to start, but > then > again, it's 11pm and I've been up and running around since 5am. So off to > bed > and I'll think about this tomorrow. > > Thanks for listening (if you're still reading! lol) > Debbi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Hi Debbi, please don't feel guilty for making a parent's decision about what's right for your son. All we can ever do, is do what we think is right in a situation, in the moment. It's not like this program is going to disappear tomorrow: if you change your mind or other things change, you can reconsider this option. I would certainly tell the referring psychiatrist what you've decided and why. She may have been mislead about the partial hospitalization program and would benefit from knowing about your experience with it. By all means search for another psychiatrist if you no longer have confidence in this one. We enter into partnerships with these docs to get our kids well, and that's very difficult if you no longer have faith in your " partner's " judgment. Over time, reading posts to this list, it seems the most common problem parents run into with hospitalization for their OCD child, is that some hospitals do not know how to treat OCD specifically. Dr. Aureen, adviser to this list, has many times suggested anxiety programs and professionals affiliated with hospitals as being among the best and most up-to-date. A children's OCD clinic at UCLA sounds like it would certainly be a likely choice to help your son. (((Hugs))) and good luck in finding appropriate treatment for your son! Kathy R. in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: <debbiap@... > Hi again, > > I am feeling sort of guilty here because I decided to withdraw my 9 yr old > son from the partial hospitalization program. It is not the right program > for > him. Plus, I really feel like they weren't doing what I was told they > would do. > > I was told that he would be placed in a small group of children all his > age > with the same problems. (ocd and depression) Told that the pysch would be > with > him all day to learn all his habits and be able to make a good diagnosis. > Told > that he would have lots of fun going to art class, recess, and school 2 to > 3 > hours a day. Told there were other partial kids with him and some that > stayed > full time. > > Instead he was with 15 kids up to age 13. None of the other kids were > partial > patients. The rules are different, full timers get visits and get time to > play with toys (etc), phone calls and are allowed to go to their rooms, > patials > don't get to participate in this. My son sat in the hallway in a chair > during > the full timers free time. He asked if he could bring a stuffed animal > tomorrow > (since full timers had them at the therapy sessions) and was told he > couldn't > because he's partial. All of these kids were in for anger management. They > were threatening to kill each other. Several times kids were put in > solitary and > all kids would lose points (including my son). They use points to buy > things. > His never saw his psych, they handed out one page of math problems for > " school " and they never had recess or exercise (both on the schedule). I > asked if my > son would be able to use his points to buy things in the " store " like the > full timers and they said they would make sure he did (they spend their > points > each day). This never happened. > > I told the staff when I took my son in, that he is very well behaved, a > really sweet kid, easily bullied. They said they would look out for him, > but I feel > they didn't. He was soooo stressed out when I picked him up, he looked > like > he cried all day. On the way home he told me horror stories (and learned > some > not so good words). The stories just made him cry and cry. Kids talking of > abuse they've received from parents. Graphic abuse. > > What really got me was that the psych called me earlier today and told me > that they would work on one thing at a time. Today they would get rid of a > bag he > was holding (to keep things in). She also said ds was hanging on to a > paper > cup and they would work on his throwing out the cup tomorrow. Well, when I > picked him up I saw a staff member grab the cup from ds and throw it in > the trash. > DS really started crying and trying to explain that he was told he could > keep > this one thing. The guy told him to " stop it " . He actually looks at me and > says, " What's wrong with him? " " Why are you crying? " I told the man to > give ds > the cup. He said, " I thought we were suppose to throw out all his trash. " > Then > he asked someone else about it and that man said he didn't know. (These > are > two men that were working with my son) I told them the Dr told me he > could > keep it till tomorrow. The man got it out of the trash and then tells DS, > " just > toss this one, I'll get you a new one instead. " I thought to myself, this > guy > doesn't get it. DS is keeping the cup because ds used it, he doesn't want > a new > cup. Who is working with my son? I wanted out of there. > > Anyway, I really feel like this place has only added to the stress. I > really > think that since this staff is so use to dealing with angry kids, they > have a > habit of yelling and punishing them " all " . It was pretty sad. The worst > was, I > was told by 2 staff members that partial ended at 4pm. So I told ds that I > would pick him up at 4. When I saw on a form that they get out at 5, I > asked if > I could tell ds this. They told me they would tell him themselves. I said > they > really needed to tell him because he would be waiting for me and would > probably cry from 4 till 5 thinking I didn't come back for him. They > promised to let > him know. They of course didn't. > > I made sure I was there before 4 just in case. I asked at the front desk > to > go upstairs to my son and she said I couldn't go in till 5pm with all the > visitors. So I waited an hour, still not knowing they never told him. When > I > finally got upstairs to get him, he was in the hallway in a chair (behind > a door > with a window) crying. He told me he had waited for me since 4. I > explained that > they should have told him I'd be there at 5, but instead they told him, if > I > arrived at 4 that I would be allowed to take him home early. So here he > was, > thinking I had abandoned him! Ack! I just wanted to scream. > > So, now where do we go? Should we continue with the psych who suggested > this > program? Do I trust her any more? Should I search for a new one? I am > feeling > pretty lost at the moment, but am just so happy to have my son home and > tucked > in bed. He also told me that he was determined to be like the guy in A > Beautiful Mind and just get it under control himself! He never wants to go > back. I > am thinking the OCD Children's Center at UCLA would be better, since it's > just > that...for children with OCD. I'm not sure just now where to start, but > then > again, it's 11pm and I've been up and running around since 5am. So off to > bed > and I'll think about this tomorrow. > > Thanks for listening (if you're still reading! lol) > Debbi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Hi Debbi, please don't feel guilty for making a parent's decision about what's right for your son. All we can ever do, is do what we think is right in a situation, in the moment. It's not like this program is going to disappear tomorrow: if you change your mind or other things change, you can reconsider this option. I would certainly tell the referring psychiatrist what you've decided and why. She may have been mislead about the partial hospitalization program and would benefit from knowing about your experience with it. By all means search for another psychiatrist if you no longer have confidence in this one. We enter into partnerships with these docs to get our kids well, and that's very difficult if you no longer have faith in your " partner's " judgment. Over time, reading posts to this list, it seems the most common problem parents run into with hospitalization for their OCD child, is that some hospitals do not know how to treat OCD specifically. Dr. Aureen, adviser to this list, has many times suggested anxiety programs and professionals affiliated with hospitals as being among the best and most up-to-date. A children's OCD clinic at UCLA sounds like it would certainly be a likely choice to help your son. (((Hugs))) and good luck in finding appropriate treatment for your son! Kathy R. in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: <debbiap@... > Hi again, > > I am feeling sort of guilty here because I decided to withdraw my 9 yr old > son from the partial hospitalization program. It is not the right program > for > him. Plus, I really feel like they weren't doing what I was told they > would do. > > I was told that he would be placed in a small group of children all his > age > with the same problems. (ocd and depression) Told that the pysch would be > with > him all day to learn all his habits and be able to make a good diagnosis. > Told > that he would have lots of fun going to art class, recess, and school 2 to > 3 > hours a day. Told there were other partial kids with him and some that > stayed > full time. > > Instead he was with 15 kids up to age 13. None of the other kids were > partial > patients. The rules are different, full timers get visits and get time to > play with toys (etc), phone calls and are allowed to go to their rooms, > patials > don't get to participate in this. My son sat in the hallway in a chair > during > the full timers free time. He asked if he could bring a stuffed animal > tomorrow > (since full timers had them at the therapy sessions) and was told he > couldn't > because he's partial. All of these kids were in for anger management. They > were threatening to kill each other. Several times kids were put in > solitary and > all kids would lose points (including my son). They use points to buy > things. > His never saw his psych, they handed out one page of math problems for > " school " and they never had recess or exercise (both on the schedule). I > asked if my > son would be able to use his points to buy things in the " store " like the > full timers and they said they would make sure he did (they spend their > points > each day). This never happened. > > I told the staff when I took my son in, that he is very well behaved, a > really sweet kid, easily bullied. They said they would look out for him, > but I feel > they didn't. He was soooo stressed out when I picked him up, he looked > like > he cried all day. On the way home he told me horror stories (and learned > some > not so good words). The stories just made him cry and cry. Kids talking of > abuse they've received from parents. Graphic abuse. > > What really got me was that the psych called me earlier today and told me > that they would work on one thing at a time. Today they would get rid of a > bag he > was holding (to keep things in). She also said ds was hanging on to a > paper > cup and they would work on his throwing out the cup tomorrow. Well, when I > picked him up I saw a staff member grab the cup from ds and throw it in > the trash. > DS really started crying and trying to explain that he was told he could > keep > this one thing. The guy told him to " stop it " . He actually looks at me and > says, " What's wrong with him? " " Why are you crying? " I told the man to > give ds > the cup. He said, " I thought we were suppose to throw out all his trash. " > Then > he asked someone else about it and that man said he didn't know. (These > are > two men that were working with my son) I told them the Dr told me he > could > keep it till tomorrow. The man got it out of the trash and then tells DS, > " just > toss this one, I'll get you a new one instead. " I thought to myself, this > guy > doesn't get it. DS is keeping the cup because ds used it, he doesn't want > a new > cup. Who is working with my son? I wanted out of there. > > Anyway, I really feel like this place has only added to the stress. I > really > think that since this staff is so use to dealing with angry kids, they > have a > habit of yelling and punishing them " all " . It was pretty sad. The worst > was, I > was told by 2 staff members that partial ended at 4pm. So I told ds that I > would pick him up at 4. When I saw on a form that they get out at 5, I > asked if > I could tell ds this. They told me they would tell him themselves. I said > they > really needed to tell him because he would be waiting for me and would > probably cry from 4 till 5 thinking I didn't come back for him. They > promised to let > him know. They of course didn't. > > I made sure I was there before 4 just in case. I asked at the front desk > to > go upstairs to my son and she said I couldn't go in till 5pm with all the > visitors. So I waited an hour, still not knowing they never told him. When > I > finally got upstairs to get him, he was in the hallway in a chair (behind > a door > with a window) crying. He told me he had waited for me since 4. I > explained that > they should have told him I'd be there at 5, but instead they told him, if > I > arrived at 4 that I would be allowed to take him home early. So here he > was, > thinking I had abandoned him! Ack! I just wanted to scream. > > So, now where do we go? Should we continue with the psych who suggested > this > program? Do I trust her any more? Should I search for a new one? I am > feeling > pretty lost at the moment, but am just so happy to have my son home and > tucked > in bed. He also told me that he was determined to be like the guy in A > Beautiful Mind and just get it under control himself! He never wants to go > back. I > am thinking the OCD Children's Center at UCLA would be better, since it's > just > that...for children with OCD. I'm not sure just now where to start, but > then > again, it's 11pm and I've been up and running around since 5am. So off to > bed > and I'll think about this tomorrow. > > Thanks for listening (if you're still reading! lol) > Debbi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Thank you all for such nice replies. Now I have a new problem and I want to ask for help. See, the psych called me and we had a short talk on her speaker phone (other workers listening in from the program). She was trying to convince me to put ds back in this program. I basically told her that this program was not what I thought it would be and she basically told me that I was enabling ds to continue hoarding because I did not keep him in the program. <sigh> She really made me feel like I'm a really bad mother. At the same time my instincts are telling me NOT to put him back in there. I've already told him he won't go back. He would really lose trust with me. The pysch mentioned that this program of " hers " is the only one in So. Calif. and if I tried taking him to UCLA (which I did call and they said I " had to " ask the psych for permission first) that they would only send him back to her program. So first, I'm thinking, I will contact our insurance and ask if they have a psych that specializes in OCD. But my question, is there anyone who treats their child themself? I am determined to learn whatever I can and start behavioral therapy myself. One thing that ds's first therapist told me, was that it was okay to let him keep his hoarding goods. It was okay for me to supply plastic bags and he even said it sounded like a good idea to get him a container to put under his bed (he could put his bits and pieces he saves there). I never did go out and buy a container, but I did give him bags when he asked me for them. Now, this psych tells me that she notices that I'm enabling him by giving him a bag. I told her the first therapist said this was a good idea, so was this wrong...I would stop. She then said it wasn't wrong of the therapist to tell me this. So now, I'm confused. I will be doing some looking around on the web for what I should/shouldn't do since I'm getting mixed messages by the psych's, but does anyone know of a way to learn how to do behavior therapy on our own? By the way, Today I told ds that he would no longer be getting any bags to carry his stuff. I asked if he could cut down on the hoarding and he suggested that he no longer collect dust and asked me if it was okay to collect containers. I thought this was a great improvement. He tells me that he is trying really hard because he never wants to go back to that hospital. I'm still not sure if I'm doing the right thing, but I've made up my mind that I can't wait to find the right psych and the right program. Especially since the psych tells me that there are no other programs in So. Calif (she may have said Calif, not just southern). Thanks for all the really nice emails. I don't know why they make me cry. I guess I've never run into so many people that are so nice, all in one area too! Thank you, Debbi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Thank you all for such nice replies. Now I have a new problem and I want to ask for help. See, the psych called me and we had a short talk on her speaker phone (other workers listening in from the program). She was trying to convince me to put ds back in this program. I basically told her that this program was not what I thought it would be and she basically told me that I was enabling ds to continue hoarding because I did not keep him in the program. <sigh> She really made me feel like I'm a really bad mother. At the same time my instincts are telling me NOT to put him back in there. I've already told him he won't go back. He would really lose trust with me. The pysch mentioned that this program of " hers " is the only one in So. Calif. and if I tried taking him to UCLA (which I did call and they said I " had to " ask the psych for permission first) that they would only send him back to her program. So first, I'm thinking, I will contact our insurance and ask if they have a psych that specializes in OCD. But my question, is there anyone who treats their child themself? I am determined to learn whatever I can and start behavioral therapy myself. One thing that ds's first therapist told me, was that it was okay to let him keep his hoarding goods. It was okay for me to supply plastic bags and he even said it sounded like a good idea to get him a container to put under his bed (he could put his bits and pieces he saves there). I never did go out and buy a container, but I did give him bags when he asked me for them. Now, this psych tells me that she notices that I'm enabling him by giving him a bag. I told her the first therapist said this was a good idea, so was this wrong...I would stop. She then said it wasn't wrong of the therapist to tell me this. So now, I'm confused. I will be doing some looking around on the web for what I should/shouldn't do since I'm getting mixed messages by the psych's, but does anyone know of a way to learn how to do behavior therapy on our own? By the way, Today I told ds that he would no longer be getting any bags to carry his stuff. I asked if he could cut down on the hoarding and he suggested that he no longer collect dust and asked me if it was okay to collect containers. I thought this was a great improvement. He tells me that he is trying really hard because he never wants to go back to that hospital. I'm still not sure if I'm doing the right thing, but I've made up my mind that I can't wait to find the right psych and the right program. Especially since the psych tells me that there are no other programs in So. Calif (she may have said Calif, not just southern). Thanks for all the really nice emails. I don't know why they make me cry. I guess I've never run into so many people that are so nice, all in one area too! Thank you, Debbi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Thank you all for such nice replies. Now I have a new problem and I want to ask for help. See, the psych called me and we had a short talk on her speaker phone (other workers listening in from the program). She was trying to convince me to put ds back in this program. I basically told her that this program was not what I thought it would be and she basically told me that I was enabling ds to continue hoarding because I did not keep him in the program. <sigh> She really made me feel like I'm a really bad mother. At the same time my instincts are telling me NOT to put him back in there. I've already told him he won't go back. He would really lose trust with me. The pysch mentioned that this program of " hers " is the only one in So. Calif. and if I tried taking him to UCLA (which I did call and they said I " had to " ask the psych for permission first) that they would only send him back to her program. So first, I'm thinking, I will contact our insurance and ask if they have a psych that specializes in OCD. But my question, is there anyone who treats their child themself? I am determined to learn whatever I can and start behavioral therapy myself. One thing that ds's first therapist told me, was that it was okay to let him keep his hoarding goods. It was okay for me to supply plastic bags and he even said it sounded like a good idea to get him a container to put under his bed (he could put his bits and pieces he saves there). I never did go out and buy a container, but I did give him bags when he asked me for them. Now, this psych tells me that she notices that I'm enabling him by giving him a bag. I told her the first therapist said this was a good idea, so was this wrong...I would stop. She then said it wasn't wrong of the therapist to tell me this. So now, I'm confused. I will be doing some looking around on the web for what I should/shouldn't do since I'm getting mixed messages by the psych's, but does anyone know of a way to learn how to do behavior therapy on our own? By the way, Today I told ds that he would no longer be getting any bags to carry his stuff. I asked if he could cut down on the hoarding and he suggested that he no longer collect dust and asked me if it was okay to collect containers. I thought this was a great improvement. He tells me that he is trying really hard because he never wants to go back to that hospital. I'm still not sure if I'm doing the right thing, but I've made up my mind that I can't wait to find the right psych and the right program. Especially since the psych tells me that there are no other programs in So. Calif (she may have said Calif, not just southern). Thanks for all the really nice emails. I don't know why they make me cry. I guess I've never run into so many people that are so nice, all in one area too! Thank you, Debbi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 In a message dated 1/6/2005 3:06:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, debbiap@... writes: She really made me feel like I'm a really bad mother. At the same time my instincts are telling me NOT to put him back in there. I've already told him he won't go back. He would really lose trust with me. The pysch mentioned that this program of " hers " is the only one in So. Calif. and if I tried taking him to UCLA (which I did call and they said I " had to " ask the psych for permission first) that they would only send him back to her program. Long post, right now replying to the above. I would have asked immediately to be taken off speaker phone. HER program? OK, I realize there aren't many programs. Did she even listen to the part where others went to their rooms and your son was sitting on a chair in the hall? Maybe it was a bad first day, maybe things would improve, and maybe not. IF you take him to UCLA, why would you have to get permission from the psych? Because this is the psych who is currently treating him? Because in my opinion, that is easily rectified (well, not so easily) by changing doctors. Wow...let anyone, psychiatrist or anyone, come to live in our houses and walk in our shoes. Of course I enable my son all the time, becomes some things just don't feel right. But your guy is still very young, and in my opinion the nurturing has to be there in any program. Maybe this is a great question for one of the experts who advise on this board. Debbi, think of it this way. You are not any further along than you were a couple of weeks ago. But honestly, you haven't gone backward either. it's a long haul. Hang in. Judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 In a message dated 1/6/2005 3:06:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, debbiap@... writes: She really made me feel like I'm a really bad mother. At the same time my instincts are telling me NOT to put him back in there. I've already told him he won't go back. He would really lose trust with me. The pysch mentioned that this program of " hers " is the only one in So. Calif. and if I tried taking him to UCLA (which I did call and they said I " had to " ask the psych for permission first) that they would only send him back to her program. Long post, right now replying to the above. I would have asked immediately to be taken off speaker phone. HER program? OK, I realize there aren't many programs. Did she even listen to the part where others went to their rooms and your son was sitting on a chair in the hall? Maybe it was a bad first day, maybe things would improve, and maybe not. IF you take him to UCLA, why would you have to get permission from the psych? Because this is the psych who is currently treating him? Because in my opinion, that is easily rectified (well, not so easily) by changing doctors. Wow...let anyone, psychiatrist or anyone, come to live in our houses and walk in our shoes. Of course I enable my son all the time, becomes some things just don't feel right. But your guy is still very young, and in my opinion the nurturing has to be there in any program. Maybe this is a great question for one of the experts who advise on this board. Debbi, think of it this way. You are not any further along than you were a couple of weeks ago. But honestly, you haven't gone backward either. it's a long haul. Hang in. Judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 In a message dated 1/6/2005 3:53:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, Cotter@... writes: and the AWARD WINNING, famous doctor from TV who was the psych on call that night told him to grow up and get over it. Why are there so many jerks in this profession? Ah, come on, even it just the initials!!!! Being a psychiatrist, therapist, psychologist is very hard work. Being a media star isn't. There are lots of jerks who want to collect the hourly fees, but are not into doing the work. Not into keeping up and learning and growing. That is why I took my son out of the 'care' of a doctor with degrees from Princeton, U of Chicago and UCLA, who basically wrote prescriptions and saw him for 20 minutes once a month. I am not sure we are better off as of yet, but I don't feel the same disgust for a doctor who truly didn't do a thing but prescribe. And when I suggested any therapy, he just hemmed and hawed. Guess I needed a couple of more visits to line his wallet before he would refer us to anybody. I am not bitter, I am realistic. None of this comes cheap. Some truly have passion and care. Some don't. Judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 In a message dated 1/6/2005 3:53:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, Cotter@... writes: and the AWARD WINNING, famous doctor from TV who was the psych on call that night told him to grow up and get over it. Why are there so many jerks in this profession? Ah, come on, even it just the initials!!!! Being a psychiatrist, therapist, psychologist is very hard work. Being a media star isn't. There are lots of jerks who want to collect the hourly fees, but are not into doing the work. Not into keeping up and learning and growing. That is why I took my son out of the 'care' of a doctor with degrees from Princeton, U of Chicago and UCLA, who basically wrote prescriptions and saw him for 20 minutes once a month. I am not sure we are better off as of yet, but I don't feel the same disgust for a doctor who truly didn't do a thing but prescribe. And when I suggested any therapy, he just hemmed and hawed. Guess I needed a couple of more visits to line his wallet before he would refer us to anybody. I am not bitter, I am realistic. None of this comes cheap. Some truly have passion and care. Some don't. Judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Debbi, Guilt is so normal, but I hope you're not feeling guilty about taking him out of there! That was definitely the wrong place for him, especially given his temperment. How heartwrenching, I really thought it would be a positive experience. I agree that you need to talk this over in detail with the psych, and I hope that she didn't know exactly how things operated there. If she did, you need to find a different doc. But chances are she didn't, still not a good thing but hopefully she will learn from this. Be firm with your decision on pulling him out, it was the right one. I am amazed by you, being through so much and thrown new curves over and over again, yet you keep plugging on - keep it going, girl! You'll find something that clicks, the UCLA program sounds like a good one. Maybe you could go once to " observe " things to see if it looks like a better fit. nna. ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Debbi, Guilt is so normal, but I hope you're not feeling guilty about taking him out of there! That was definitely the wrong place for him, especially given his temperment. How heartwrenching, I really thought it would be a positive experience. I agree that you need to talk this over in detail with the psych, and I hope that she didn't know exactly how things operated there. If she did, you need to find a different doc. But chances are she didn't, still not a good thing but hopefully she will learn from this. Be firm with your decision on pulling him out, it was the right one. I am amazed by you, being through so much and thrown new curves over and over again, yet you keep plugging on - keep it going, girl! You'll find something that clicks, the UCLA program sounds like a good one. Maybe you could go once to " observe " things to see if it looks like a better fit. nna. ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Debbi, Guilt is so normal, but I hope you're not feeling guilty about taking him out of there! That was definitely the wrong place for him, especially given his temperment. How heartwrenching, I really thought it would be a positive experience. I agree that you need to talk this over in detail with the psych, and I hope that she didn't know exactly how things operated there. If she did, you need to find a different doc. But chances are she didn't, still not a good thing but hopefully she will learn from this. Be firm with your decision on pulling him out, it was the right one. I am amazed by you, being through so much and thrown new curves over and over again, yet you keep plugging on - keep it going, girl! You'll find something that clicks, the UCLA program sounds like a good one. Maybe you could go once to " observe " things to see if it looks like a better fit. nna. ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 In a message dated 1/6/2005 6:32:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, Cotter@... writes: He might know his stuff, but came off as cold, mean and uncaring. My apologies to all the great doctors out there!!!! Kim in IA Kim, when it comes to our kids, we have radar! We have antennae, we have ESP. Don't apologize. Your gut reaction. Probably wanted to be on TV and not in the ER. Can't say I blame him/her. Cold, mean, uncaring, tired, distracted...sorry doesn't cut it with me and the bills that I pay and the anguish I feel for my child. You were not talking about ALL doctors, you were talking about one, and if others are reading, perhaps they will grow to understand the needs of families. We support them, think of it that way. A condescending doctor is not what I need, want, or will pay for. Judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 In a message dated 1/6/2005 6:32:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, Cotter@... writes: He might know his stuff, but came off as cold, mean and uncaring. My apologies to all the great doctors out there!!!! Kim in IA Kim, when it comes to our kids, we have radar! We have antennae, we have ESP. Don't apologize. Your gut reaction. Probably wanted to be on TV and not in the ER. Can't say I blame him/her. Cold, mean, uncaring, tired, distracted...sorry doesn't cut it with me and the bills that I pay and the anguish I feel for my child. You were not talking about ALL doctors, you were talking about one, and if others are reading, perhaps they will grow to understand the needs of families. We support them, think of it that way. A condescending doctor is not what I need, want, or will pay for. Judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 In a message dated 1/6/2005 6:32:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, Cotter@... writes: He might know his stuff, but came off as cold, mean and uncaring. My apologies to all the great doctors out there!!!! Kim in IA Kim, when it comes to our kids, we have radar! We have antennae, we have ESP. Don't apologize. Your gut reaction. Probably wanted to be on TV and not in the ER. Can't say I blame him/her. Cold, mean, uncaring, tired, distracted...sorry doesn't cut it with me and the bills that I pay and the anguish I feel for my child. You were not talking about ALL doctors, you were talking about one, and if others are reading, perhaps they will grow to understand the needs of families. We support them, think of it that way. A condescending doctor is not what I need, want, or will pay for. Judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Hi,,big hugs to you for following your insticts,,and guess what?.,.my sons Pshychiatrist said that if I dont hurry up and get him back into school that the longer he stays home with me, the more symptoms he will have,, as he thinks I am also " ENABLING " ,,sheesh,, I think they all need some bedside manners to graduate. Anyway just wanted to tell you I have heard that too, and its not fair! Angie Re: hosptial (long) > > Thank you all for such nice replies. Now I have a new problem and I want to > ask for help. See, the psych called me and we had a short talk on her speaker > phone (other workers listening in from the program). She was trying to convince > me to put ds back in this program. I basically told her that this program was > not what I thought it would be and she basically told me that I was enabling > ds to continue hoarding because I did not keep him in the program. <sigh> She > really made me feel like I'm a really bad mother. At the same time my > instincts are telling me NOT to put him back in there. I've already told him he won't > go back. He would really lose trust with me. > > The pysch mentioned that this program of " hers " is the only one in So. Calif. > and if I tried taking him to UCLA (which I did call and they said I " had to " > ask the psych for permission first) that they would only send him back to her > program. > > So first, I'm thinking, I will contact our insurance and ask if they have a > psych that specializes in OCD. But my question, is there anyone who treats > their child themself? I am determined to learn whatever I can and start > behavioral therapy myself. > > One thing that ds's first therapist told me, was that it was okay to let him > keep his hoarding goods. It was okay for me to supply plastic bags and he even > said it sounded like a good idea to get him a container to put under his bed > (he could put his bits and pieces he saves there). I never did go out and buy > a container, but I did give him bags when he asked me for them. Now, this > psych tells me that she notices that I'm enabling him by giving him a bag. I told > her the first therapist said this was a good idea, so was this wrong...I would > stop. She then said it wasn't wrong of the therapist to tell me this. So now, > I'm confused. I will be doing some looking around on the web for what I > should/shouldn't do since I'm getting mixed messages by the psych's, but does > anyone know of a way to learn how to do behavior therapy on our own? > > By the way, Today I told ds that he would no longer be getting any bags to > carry his stuff. I asked if he could cut down on the hoarding and he suggested > that he no longer collect dust and asked me if it was okay to collect > containers. I thought this was a great improvement. He tells me that he is trying > really hard because he never wants to go back to that hospital. I'm still not sure > if I'm doing the right thing, but I've made up my mind that I can't wait to > find the right psych and the right program. Especially since the psych tells me > that there are no other programs in So. Calif (she may have said Calif, not > just southern). > > Thanks for all the really nice emails. I don't know why they make me cry. I > guess I've never run into so many people that are so nice, all in one area too! > Thank you, > Debbi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Hi,,big hugs to you for following your insticts,,and guess what?.,.my sons Pshychiatrist said that if I dont hurry up and get him back into school that the longer he stays home with me, the more symptoms he will have,, as he thinks I am also " ENABLING " ,,sheesh,, I think they all need some bedside manners to graduate. Anyway just wanted to tell you I have heard that too, and its not fair! Angie Re: hosptial (long) > > Thank you all for such nice replies. Now I have a new problem and I want to > ask for help. See, the psych called me and we had a short talk on her speaker > phone (other workers listening in from the program). She was trying to convince > me to put ds back in this program. I basically told her that this program was > not what I thought it would be and she basically told me that I was enabling > ds to continue hoarding because I did not keep him in the program. <sigh> She > really made me feel like I'm a really bad mother. At the same time my > instincts are telling me NOT to put him back in there. I've already told him he won't > go back. He would really lose trust with me. > > The pysch mentioned that this program of " hers " is the only one in So. Calif. > and if I tried taking him to UCLA (which I did call and they said I " had to " > ask the psych for permission first) that they would only send him back to her > program. > > So first, I'm thinking, I will contact our insurance and ask if they have a > psych that specializes in OCD. But my question, is there anyone who treats > their child themself? I am determined to learn whatever I can and start > behavioral therapy myself. > > One thing that ds's first therapist told me, was that it was okay to let him > keep his hoarding goods. It was okay for me to supply plastic bags and he even > said it sounded like a good idea to get him a container to put under his bed > (he could put his bits and pieces he saves there). I never did go out and buy > a container, but I did give him bags when he asked me for them. Now, this > psych tells me that she notices that I'm enabling him by giving him a bag. I told > her the first therapist said this was a good idea, so was this wrong...I would > stop. She then said it wasn't wrong of the therapist to tell me this. So now, > I'm confused. I will be doing some looking around on the web for what I > should/shouldn't do since I'm getting mixed messages by the psych's, but does > anyone know of a way to learn how to do behavior therapy on our own? > > By the way, Today I told ds that he would no longer be getting any bags to > carry his stuff. I asked if he could cut down on the hoarding and he suggested > that he no longer collect dust and asked me if it was okay to collect > containers. I thought this was a great improvement. He tells me that he is trying > really hard because he never wants to go back to that hospital. I'm still not sure > if I'm doing the right thing, but I've made up my mind that I can't wait to > find the right psych and the right program. Especially since the psych tells me > that there are no other programs in So. Calif (she may have said Calif, not > just southern). > > Thanks for all the really nice emails. I don't know why they make me cry. I > guess I've never run into so many people that are so nice, all in one area too! > Thank you, > Debbi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Hi,,big hugs to you for following your insticts,,and guess what?.,.my sons Pshychiatrist said that if I dont hurry up and get him back into school that the longer he stays home with me, the more symptoms he will have,, as he thinks I am also " ENABLING " ,,sheesh,, I think they all need some bedside manners to graduate. Anyway just wanted to tell you I have heard that too, and its not fair! Angie Re: hosptial (long) > > Thank you all for such nice replies. Now I have a new problem and I want to > ask for help. See, the psych called me and we had a short talk on her speaker > phone (other workers listening in from the program). She was trying to convince > me to put ds back in this program. I basically told her that this program was > not what I thought it would be and she basically told me that I was enabling > ds to continue hoarding because I did not keep him in the program. <sigh> She > really made me feel like I'm a really bad mother. At the same time my > instincts are telling me NOT to put him back in there. I've already told him he won't > go back. He would really lose trust with me. > > The pysch mentioned that this program of " hers " is the only one in So. Calif. > and if I tried taking him to UCLA (which I did call and they said I " had to " > ask the psych for permission first) that they would only send him back to her > program. > > So first, I'm thinking, I will contact our insurance and ask if they have a > psych that specializes in OCD. But my question, is there anyone who treats > their child themself? I am determined to learn whatever I can and start > behavioral therapy myself. > > One thing that ds's first therapist told me, was that it was okay to let him > keep his hoarding goods. It was okay for me to supply plastic bags and he even > said it sounded like a good idea to get him a container to put under his bed > (he could put his bits and pieces he saves there). I never did go out and buy > a container, but I did give him bags when he asked me for them. Now, this > psych tells me that she notices that I'm enabling him by giving him a bag. I told > her the first therapist said this was a good idea, so was this wrong...I would > stop. She then said it wasn't wrong of the therapist to tell me this. So now, > I'm confused. I will be doing some looking around on the web for what I > should/shouldn't do since I'm getting mixed messages by the psych's, but does > anyone know of a way to learn how to do behavior therapy on our own? > > By the way, Today I told ds that he would no longer be getting any bags to > carry his stuff. I asked if he could cut down on the hoarding and he suggested > that he no longer collect dust and asked me if it was okay to collect > containers. I thought this was a great improvement. He tells me that he is trying > really hard because he never wants to go back to that hospital. I'm still not sure > if I'm doing the right thing, but I've made up my mind that I can't wait to > find the right psych and the right program. Especially since the psych tells me > that there are no other programs in So. Calif (she may have said Calif, not > just southern). > > Thanks for all the really nice emails. I don't know why they make me cry. I > guess I've never run into so many people that are so nice, all in one area too! > Thank you, > Debbi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Debbi, I know there are people on this list who did the therapy on their own, I'm sure they will offer advice on that. I think you were treated very unprofessionally, and am amazed that the psych can't see why you have such a problem with " her " program. As for the enabling, I was told when you are in the early stages and in a crisis mode (which I believe you are), it is OK to enable. Once you start the CBT with ERP therapy, you can gradually cut back on the enabling. More roadblocks for you, I feel so badly for you. You need to stay strong and continue to fight in your son's best interests; whether that means a change in docs, discussions with your insurance company, whatever, don't worry about playing nice, just fight fight fight!!! nna. > Thank you all for such nice replies. Now I have a new problem and I want to > ask for help. See, the psych called me and we had a short talk on her speaker > phone (other workers listening in from the program). She was trying to convince > me to put ds back in this program. I basically told her that this program was > not what I thought it would be and she basically told me that I was enabling > ds to continue hoarding because I did not keep him in the program. <sigh> She > really made me feel like I'm a really bad mother. At the same time my > instincts are telling me NOT to put him back in there. I've already told him he won't > go back. He would really lose trust with me. > > The pysch mentioned that this program of " hers " is the only one in So. Calif. > and if I tried taking him to UCLA (which I did call and they said I " had to " > ask the psych for permission first) that they would only send him back to her > program. > > So first, I'm thinking, I will contact our insurance and ask if they have a > psych that specializes in OCD. But my question, is there anyone who treats > their child themself? I am determined to learn whatever I can and start > behavioral therapy myself. > > One thing that ds's first therapist told me, was that it was okay to let him > keep his hoarding goods. It was okay for me to supply plastic bags and he even > said it sounded like a good idea to get him a container to put under his bed > (he could put his bits and pieces he saves there). I never did go out and buy > a container, but I did give him bags when he asked me for them. Now, this > psych tells me that she notices that I'm enabling him by giving him a bag. I told > her the first therapist said this was a good idea, so was this wrong...I would > stop. She then said it wasn't wrong of the therapist to tell me this. So now, > I'm confused. I will be doing some looking around on the web for what I > should/shouldn't do since I'm getting mixed messages by the psych's, but does > anyone know of a way to learn how to do behavior therapy on our own? > > By the way, Today I told ds that he would no longer be getting any bags to > carry his stuff. I asked if he could cut down on the hoarding and he suggested > that he no longer collect dust and asked me if it was okay to collect > containers. I thought this was a great improvement. He tells me that he is trying > really hard because he never wants to go back to that hospital. I'm still not sure > if I'm doing the right thing, but I've made up my mind that I can't wait to > find the right psych and the right program. Especially since the psych tells me > that there are no other programs in So. Calif (she may have said Calif, not > just southern). > > Thanks for all the really nice emails. I don't know why they make me cry. I > guess I've never run into so many people that are so nice, all in one area too! > Thank you, > Debbi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Debbi, We've had our share of docs with no clue or no bedside manner, also. Took my oldest son to ER in the middle of a major panic attack (shaking, hyperventilating, etc) and the AWARD WINNING, famous doctor from TV who was the psych on call that night told him to grow up and get over it. Why are there so many jerks in this profession? I think if you need a referral to go to UCLA I would look for another doctor who would make that referral, like your family doctor or pediatrician. I think if you explained what happened they would agree that that program and those people are not a good fit for your son. I have done a bit of " therapy " with my son, working through the " OCD Workbook " and ideas from Dr. Chansky's and Dr. Wagner's books, with guidance from a psychologist who is familiar with ERP but doesn't really do it. I wish I could say that we have made a lot of progress and that he's all better, but we have made a bit and he is much better (medication has been a great help, too.) I think there is a videoseries you can order from Dr. Wagner - don't have it in front of me - that is intended for psychologists desiring to learn how to do CBT/ERP. I have thought of getting it but haven't as yet. We are going to a teaching hospital for a full workup in Feb., largly due to the fact that 's psychiatrist thinks his main issue (fear/avoidance of his sister) is him " looking for attention and playing on mom's emotions. " I see real fear, and the fact that he doesn't understand it and can't explain it must make it all the more scary for him. Hang in there. Keep remembering that you are the one who loves your son and has his BEST interest in mind, perhaps the doctor is more worried about " her " program and " her " ego. Kim in IA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Debbi, We've had our share of docs with no clue or no bedside manner, also. Took my oldest son to ER in the middle of a major panic attack (shaking, hyperventilating, etc) and the AWARD WINNING, famous doctor from TV who was the psych on call that night told him to grow up and get over it. Why are there so many jerks in this profession? I think if you need a referral to go to UCLA I would look for another doctor who would make that referral, like your family doctor or pediatrician. I think if you explained what happened they would agree that that program and those people are not a good fit for your son. I have done a bit of " therapy " with my son, working through the " OCD Workbook " and ideas from Dr. Chansky's and Dr. Wagner's books, with guidance from a psychologist who is familiar with ERP but doesn't really do it. I wish I could say that we have made a lot of progress and that he's all better, but we have made a bit and he is much better (medication has been a great help, too.) I think there is a videoseries you can order from Dr. Wagner - don't have it in front of me - that is intended for psychologists desiring to learn how to do CBT/ERP. I have thought of getting it but haven't as yet. We are going to a teaching hospital for a full workup in Feb., largly due to the fact that 's psychiatrist thinks his main issue (fear/avoidance of his sister) is him " looking for attention and playing on mom's emotions. " I see real fear, and the fact that he doesn't understand it and can't explain it must make it all the more scary for him. Hang in there. Keep remembering that you are the one who loves your son and has his BEST interest in mind, perhaps the doctor is more worried about " her " program and " her " ego. Kim in IA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Debbi, We've had our share of docs with no clue or no bedside manner, also. Took my oldest son to ER in the middle of a major panic attack (shaking, hyperventilating, etc) and the AWARD WINNING, famous doctor from TV who was the psych on call that night told him to grow up and get over it. Why are there so many jerks in this profession? I think if you need a referral to go to UCLA I would look for another doctor who would make that referral, like your family doctor or pediatrician. I think if you explained what happened they would agree that that program and those people are not a good fit for your son. I have done a bit of " therapy " with my son, working through the " OCD Workbook " and ideas from Dr. Chansky's and Dr. Wagner's books, with guidance from a psychologist who is familiar with ERP but doesn't really do it. I wish I could say that we have made a lot of progress and that he's all better, but we have made a bit and he is much better (medication has been a great help, too.) I think there is a videoseries you can order from Dr. Wagner - don't have it in front of me - that is intended for psychologists desiring to learn how to do CBT/ERP. I have thought of getting it but haven't as yet. We are going to a teaching hospital for a full workup in Feb., largly due to the fact that 's psychiatrist thinks his main issue (fear/avoidance of his sister) is him " looking for attention and playing on mom's emotions. " I see real fear, and the fact that he doesn't understand it and can't explain it must make it all the more scary for him. Hang in there. Keep remembering that you are the one who loves your son and has his BEST interest in mind, perhaps the doctor is more worried about " her " program and " her " ego. Kim in IA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Didn't mean to lump everyone in that category! I know there are many caring docs out there. My OCD kid's psych is okay, doesn't go too far beyond med control, though. And his pediatrician is wonderful. Just was feeling like some of them are jerky, esp. with some of the posts today. I must admit it irked me last week to hear that the ER doctor we saw won this prestigious award. He might know his stuff, but came off as cold, mean and uncaring. My apologies to all the great doctors out there!!!! Kim in IA momofjandn@... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/6/2005 3:53:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Cotter@... writes: > > and the AWARD WINNING, famous doctor from TV who > was the psych on call that night told him to grow up and get over it. > Why are there so many jerks in this profession? > > > > Ah, come on, even it just the initials!!!! Being a psychiatrist, > therapist, > psychologist is very hard work. Being a media star isn't. There are > lots > of jerks who want to collect the hourly fees, but are not into doing > the work. > Not into keeping up and learning and growing. That is why I took my > son out > of the 'care' of a doctor with degrees from Princeton, U of Chicago and > UCLA, who basically wrote prescriptions and saw him for 20 minutes > once a month. > I am not sure we are better off as of yet, but I don't feel the same > disgust > for a doctor who truly didn't do a thing but prescribe. And when I > suggested any therapy, he just hemmed and hawed. Guess I needed a > couple of more > visits to line his wallet before he would refer us to anybody. I am > not bitter, > I am realistic. None of this comes cheap. Some truly have passion and > care. Some don't. > Judith > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Didn't mean to lump everyone in that category! I know there are many caring docs out there. My OCD kid's psych is okay, doesn't go too far beyond med control, though. And his pediatrician is wonderful. Just was feeling like some of them are jerky, esp. with some of the posts today. I must admit it irked me last week to hear that the ER doctor we saw won this prestigious award. He might know his stuff, but came off as cold, mean and uncaring. My apologies to all the great doctors out there!!!! Kim in IA momofjandn@... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/6/2005 3:53:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Cotter@... writes: > > and the AWARD WINNING, famous doctor from TV who > was the psych on call that night told him to grow up and get over it. > Why are there so many jerks in this profession? > > > > Ah, come on, even it just the initials!!!! Being a psychiatrist, > therapist, > psychologist is very hard work. Being a media star isn't. There are > lots > of jerks who want to collect the hourly fees, but are not into doing > the work. > Not into keeping up and learning and growing. That is why I took my > son out > of the 'care' of a doctor with degrees from Princeton, U of Chicago and > UCLA, who basically wrote prescriptions and saw him for 20 minutes > once a month. > I am not sure we are better off as of yet, but I don't feel the same > disgust > for a doctor who truly didn't do a thing but prescribe. And when I > suggested any therapy, he just hemmed and hawed. Guess I needed a > couple of more > visits to line his wallet before he would refer us to anybody. I am > not bitter, > I am realistic. None of this comes cheap. Some truly have passion and > care. Some don't. > Judith > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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