Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Sandy, My son and I have been doing similar things-not taping, but writing a story about it. I like the idea of the tape recording. Do you listen to your daughter's tape? My son just told me that a long time ago, he put his hands around our dog's neck and thought about choking her. He said he wasn't sure if he actually had or not, but that's typical of his responses, because a component of his OCD causes him to doubt whether he actually did or didn't do something. The reason it came up is because our tiny yorkie has a common health ailment called " collapsing trachea " , which causes her to sound like she's choking, and he wondered if he'd caused it with the " almost choking thing " . When we went through a scenario of the horror of his actual choking the dog and how she writhed in his grip, having always trusted my son to keep her safe, and now he was squeezing the life out of her, etc., etc., etc., I was sickened. We played it out to the end-about how mad I would be at him, how lost and grieving I would be (she's my dog). How do you cope yourself with the horror of all their thoughts if you do indeed listen to her tapes or what-not. If anyone were to walk in our " sessions " when we're doing ERP, they would probably call the authorities. I wondered what your feelings were on this, or for that matter, ANYONE'S feelings on this. in Southern IL Re: erp for thoughts Hi Mo, My daughter is doing erp for her bad thoughts. She uses a tape recorder and tells a story into it with no reassurances. If the thought was someone breaking in, she would tell a story of someone coming in and killing everyone, with lots of gory details, and listen to it over and over. Mind you she is almost 14, and started out very slowly with less anxiety level things. It can be done, she is proof. This was done with her therapist and then at home when she was ready. It took several months of weekly therapy. Now she is doing a tape on hurting me! lol I know she loves me though!. Hope this helps. Sandy Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// . Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Sandy, My son and I have been doing similar things-not taping, but writing a story about it. I like the idea of the tape recording. Do you listen to your daughter's tape? My son just told me that a long time ago, he put his hands around our dog's neck and thought about choking her. He said he wasn't sure if he actually had or not, but that's typical of his responses, because a component of his OCD causes him to doubt whether he actually did or didn't do something. The reason it came up is because our tiny yorkie has a common health ailment called " collapsing trachea " , which causes her to sound like she's choking, and he wondered if he'd caused it with the " almost choking thing " . When we went through a scenario of the horror of his actual choking the dog and how she writhed in his grip, having always trusted my son to keep her safe, and now he was squeezing the life out of her, etc., etc., etc., I was sickened. We played it out to the end-about how mad I would be at him, how lost and grieving I would be (she's my dog). How do you cope yourself with the horror of all their thoughts if you do indeed listen to her tapes or what-not. If anyone were to walk in our " sessions " when we're doing ERP, they would probably call the authorities. I wondered what your feelings were on this, or for that matter, ANYONE'S feelings on this. in Southern IL Re: erp for thoughts Hi Mo, My daughter is doing erp for her bad thoughts. She uses a tape recorder and tells a story into it with no reassurances. If the thought was someone breaking in, she would tell a story of someone coming in and killing everyone, with lots of gory details, and listen to it over and over. Mind you she is almost 14, and started out very slowly with less anxiety level things. It can be done, she is proof. This was done with her therapist and then at home when she was ready. It took several months of weekly therapy. Now she is doing a tape on hurting me! lol I know she loves me though!. Hope this helps. Sandy Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// . Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Hi , my daughter also wrote stories and drew pictures targeting her bad thoughts, which was very effective. Frequently just doing this once resulted in a noticeable reduction in the force/frequency of the thought. You wrote: How do you cope yourself with the horror of all their thoughts if you do indeed listen to her tapes or what-not. If anyone were to walk in our " sessions " when we're doing ERP, they would probably call the authorities. I wondered what your feelings were on this, or for that matter, ANYONE'S feelings on this. *****I remember having the " authorities " thought, and hoped Kel didn't get inspired to talk at school about some of the exposure exercises we were doing. Yet I didn't think I could tell her not to talk about it, either. I found some of my daughter's " bad thoughts " so repulsive...plus at her young age, could not fathom how she could even think of them. One thing I noticed, is that repetition and exposure worked on me too, to lower my own horror feelings at these difficult themes. After awhile, it was oh, more slashing knives, mutilated eyes, tortured dogs. It helped me to keep in mind that obsessions are not secret wishes, and were at least as horrifying to my daughter as they were to me. It is an incredible trust our kids have in us when they share the repulsive stuff OCD makes them think of. Kathy R. in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: " " <laloba661@... > Sandy, > My son and I have been doing similar things-not taping, but writing a > story about it. I like the idea of the tape recording. Do you listen to > your daughter's tape? My son just told me that a long time ago, he put > his hands around our dog's neck and thought about choking her. He said he > wasn't sure if he actually had or not, but that's typical of his > responses, because a component of his OCD causes him to doubt whether he > actually did or didn't do something. The reason it came up is because our > tiny yorkie has a common health ailment called " collapsing trachea " , which > causes her to sound like she's choking, and he wondered if he'd caused it > with the " almost choking thing " . When we went through a scenario of the > horror of his actual choking the dog and how she writhed in his grip, > having always trusted my son to keep her safe, and now he was squeezing > the life out of her, etc., etc., etc., I was sickened. We played it out > to the end-about how mad I would be at him, how lost and grieving I would > be (she's my dog). How do you cope yourself with the horror of all their > thoughts if you do indeed listen to her tapes or what-not. If anyone were > to walk in our " sessions " when we're doing ERP, they would probably call > the authorities. I wondered what your feelings were on this, or for that > matter, ANYONE'S feelings on this. > > in Southern IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Hi , my daughter also wrote stories and drew pictures targeting her bad thoughts, which was very effective. Frequently just doing this once resulted in a noticeable reduction in the force/frequency of the thought. You wrote: How do you cope yourself with the horror of all their thoughts if you do indeed listen to her tapes or what-not. If anyone were to walk in our " sessions " when we're doing ERP, they would probably call the authorities. I wondered what your feelings were on this, or for that matter, ANYONE'S feelings on this. *****I remember having the " authorities " thought, and hoped Kel didn't get inspired to talk at school about some of the exposure exercises we were doing. Yet I didn't think I could tell her not to talk about it, either. I found some of my daughter's " bad thoughts " so repulsive...plus at her young age, could not fathom how she could even think of them. One thing I noticed, is that repetition and exposure worked on me too, to lower my own horror feelings at these difficult themes. After awhile, it was oh, more slashing knives, mutilated eyes, tortured dogs. It helped me to keep in mind that obsessions are not secret wishes, and were at least as horrifying to my daughter as they were to me. It is an incredible trust our kids have in us when they share the repulsive stuff OCD makes them think of. Kathy R. in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: " " <laloba661@... > Sandy, > My son and I have been doing similar things-not taping, but writing a > story about it. I like the idea of the tape recording. Do you listen to > your daughter's tape? My son just told me that a long time ago, he put > his hands around our dog's neck and thought about choking her. He said he > wasn't sure if he actually had or not, but that's typical of his > responses, because a component of his OCD causes him to doubt whether he > actually did or didn't do something. The reason it came up is because our > tiny yorkie has a common health ailment called " collapsing trachea " , which > causes her to sound like she's choking, and he wondered if he'd caused it > with the " almost choking thing " . When we went through a scenario of the > horror of his actual choking the dog and how she writhed in his grip, > having always trusted my son to keep her safe, and now he was squeezing > the life out of her, etc., etc., etc., I was sickened. We played it out > to the end-about how mad I would be at him, how lost and grieving I would > be (she's my dog). How do you cope yourself with the horror of all their > thoughts if you do indeed listen to her tapes or what-not. If anyone were > to walk in our " sessions " when we're doing ERP, they would probably call > the authorities. I wondered what your feelings were on this, or for that > matter, ANYONE'S feelings on this. > > in Southern IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 just remarking on the dog thing,,its a common problem with terriers, most all have collapsing trach's, so at least there's no worry there, not caused by oneone, its genetic Ang Re: Re: erp for thoughts > > Hi , my daughter also wrote stories and drew pictures targeting her bad > thoughts, which was very effective. Frequently just doing this once > resulted in a noticeable reduction in the force/frequency of the thought. > > You wrote: > How do you cope yourself with the horror of all their thoughts if you do > indeed listen to her tapes or what-not. If anyone were to walk in our > " sessions " when we're doing ERP, they would probably call the authorities. > I wondered what your feelings were on this, or for that matter, ANYONE'S > feelings on this. > > *****I remember having the " authorities " thought, and hoped Kel didn't get > inspired to talk at school about some of the exposure exercises we were > doing. Yet I didn't think I could tell her not to talk about it, either. > > I found some of my daughter's " bad thoughts " so repulsive...plus at her > young age, could not fathom how she could even think of them. One thing I > noticed, is that repetition and exposure worked on me too, to lower my own > horror feelings at these difficult themes. After awhile, it was oh, more > slashing knives, mutilated eyes, tortured dogs. > > It helped me to keep in mind that obsessions are not secret wishes, and were > at least as horrifying to my daughter as they were to me. It is an > incredible trust our kids have in us when they share the repulsive stuff OCD > makes them think of. > > Kathy R. in Indiana > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " " <laloba661@... > > Sandy, > > My son and I have been doing similar things-not taping, but writing a > > story about it. I like the idea of the tape recording. Do you listen to > > your daughter's tape? My son just told me that a long time ago, he put > > his hands around our dog's neck and thought about choking her. He said he > > wasn't sure if he actually had or not, but that's typical of his > > responses, because a component of his OCD causes him to doubt whether he > > actually did or didn't do something. The reason it came up is because our > > tiny yorkie has a common health ailment called " collapsing trachea " , which > > causes her to sound like she's choking, and he wondered if he'd caused it > > with the " almost choking thing " . When we went through a scenario of the > > horror of his actual choking the dog and how she writhed in his grip, > > having always trusted my son to keep her safe, and now he was squeezing > > the life out of her, etc., etc., etc., I was sickened. We played it out > > to the end-about how mad I would be at him, how lost and grieving I would > > be (she's my dog). How do you cope yourself with the horror of all their > > thoughts if you do indeed listen to her tapes or what-not. If anyone were > > to walk in our " sessions " when we're doing ERP, they would probably call > > the authorities. I wondered what your feelings were on this, or for that > > matter, ANYONE'S feelings on this. > > > > in Southern IL > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... .. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 just remarking on the dog thing,,its a common problem with terriers, most all have collapsing trach's, so at least there's no worry there, not caused by oneone, its genetic Ang Re: Re: erp for thoughts > > Hi , my daughter also wrote stories and drew pictures targeting her bad > thoughts, which was very effective. Frequently just doing this once > resulted in a noticeable reduction in the force/frequency of the thought. > > You wrote: > How do you cope yourself with the horror of all their thoughts if you do > indeed listen to her tapes or what-not. If anyone were to walk in our > " sessions " when we're doing ERP, they would probably call the authorities. > I wondered what your feelings were on this, or for that matter, ANYONE'S > feelings on this. > > *****I remember having the " authorities " thought, and hoped Kel didn't get > inspired to talk at school about some of the exposure exercises we were > doing. Yet I didn't think I could tell her not to talk about it, either. > > I found some of my daughter's " bad thoughts " so repulsive...plus at her > young age, could not fathom how she could even think of them. One thing I > noticed, is that repetition and exposure worked on me too, to lower my own > horror feelings at these difficult themes. After awhile, it was oh, more > slashing knives, mutilated eyes, tortured dogs. > > It helped me to keep in mind that obsessions are not secret wishes, and were > at least as horrifying to my daughter as they were to me. It is an > incredible trust our kids have in us when they share the repulsive stuff OCD > makes them think of. > > Kathy R. in Indiana > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " " <laloba661@... > > Sandy, > > My son and I have been doing similar things-not taping, but writing a > > story about it. I like the idea of the tape recording. Do you listen to > > your daughter's tape? My son just told me that a long time ago, he put > > his hands around our dog's neck and thought about choking her. He said he > > wasn't sure if he actually had or not, but that's typical of his > > responses, because a component of his OCD causes him to doubt whether he > > actually did or didn't do something. The reason it came up is because our > > tiny yorkie has a common health ailment called " collapsing trachea " , which > > causes her to sound like she's choking, and he wondered if he'd caused it > > with the " almost choking thing " . When we went through a scenario of the > > horror of his actual choking the dog and how she writhed in his grip, > > having always trusted my son to keep her safe, and now he was squeezing > > the life out of her, etc., etc., etc., I was sickened. We played it out > > to the end-about how mad I would be at him, how lost and grieving I would > > be (she's my dog). How do you cope yourself with the horror of all their > > thoughts if you do indeed listen to her tapes or what-not. If anyone were > > to walk in our " sessions " when we're doing ERP, they would probably call > > the authorities. I wondered what your feelings were on this, or for that > > matter, ANYONE'S feelings on this. > > > > in Southern IL > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... .. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 : Thank you SOOOO much for posting those links. I looked at the original website, and there's a TON of articles on OCD. For anyone else who wants to look, just check out http://www.homestead.com/westsuffolkpsych/ That sounds like a practice that's plugged in to OCD. Sure wish I lived near Huntington, New York. Having a hard time finding someone in Vancouver who can help us, sheesh. Take care. Theresa (in Vancouver, Canada) on 3/2/05 4:23 PM, klwicklund77 at k777thorpe@... wrote: Mo wrote: <<Dd's therapist told us last night that you can't do erp for obsessions/thoughts; that erp was a tool for compulsions.>> Well, that's funny to hear since a few hours ago I printed out two article describing just how to do erp for bad thoughts - with examples - several! I'll go get the link and paste it below http://www.homestead.com/westsuffolkpsych/Violent_Obsessions.html and http://www.homestead.com/westsuffolkpsych/Morbid.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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