Guest guest Posted May 19, 2002 Report Share Posted May 19, 2002 In a message dated 5/19/02 4:57:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mmklhughes@... writes: > - how long does the worst of die-off last? > > Michele -- I can only say from my experience -- my son is 16 and we are into the second week. I think younger kids can probably get through it faster. Also depends on how much yeast involvement there is. Celia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Have any of your kids experienced " die-off " reactions with absolutely no improvements longer than 5 weeks into diflucan and then had obvious progress beyond what he/she had prior to starting diflucan after such a long die-off? Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Hi - My kids have never displayed any die-off symptoms, but most often, you may see some increased crankiness, sometimes an exacerbation of some behaviors, fatigue or hyperness, headaches... with antifungals you can see diahrrea and/or nausea, etc. With Valtrex, you should wash the dye off the pill (run under faucet and wipe w/damp papertowel), and with Diflucan, you should locate a dye-free generic (Sandoz was one but I can't find it anymore) or have it compounded dye-free, as the pink dye seems to be pretty reactive to the majority of kids. Reactions to the dyes could be mistaken for " die-off " symptoms. (Famvir and Nizoral are white, so not a problem.) Die-off symptoms should resolve in 1-2 weeks (avg 2), and rarely go beyond that although it has happened. After two weeks of prolonged increased symptoms (if any), though, you should start considering other possibilities than die-off. Tylenol can help w/ die-off symptoms. Acidophilus started prior to antifungals (and of course during and forever after) can reduce die-off with antifungals. Don't assume you'll see die-off until you do. Lack of die-off does NOT mean it is not working or going to be useful. Starting the meds at lower doses and working up also helps ease severity of die-off, and this is how Dr G does them. Keep a good log of behaviors, meds, foods, and illnesses to help determine triggers... I also loved keeping lists of new things done after the intro of new meds, and after Diflucan, I stopped listing (in the first week) after 20 new things! HTH --- Curtis and Hackler <thehacks@...> wrote: > What types of things do the kids do when they are > having die-off? Haven't experienced this yet, but > will know what to expect. > > Thanks- __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 My child has always displayed extreme die off symptoms where yeast is concerned...Serious, off the wall symptoms that we NEVER see at any other time. It is like he can't cope in his own skin. He becomes very bizarre and will do things like spit, talk gibberish, crash himself into walls, throw himself on the floor, whip his shoes. It is like he looses his sense of editing and self control and will just act wild. At any other time he is a very passive, academic sort of child. Very mild mannered and sweet, not the slightest bit aggressive...you would have to see it to believe it. His teachers are now on guard if I say we are changing his anti fungal medication...They have seen it and thought I was weird the first time I claimed that it was a reaction to a medication. However, they have seen repeat performances that start quickly, lasts up to a month, once 6 weeks, then gradually subside until you realize that it has been a while since we saw an " episode " and will marvel at how well he is doing!! It is important to keep your child's diet particularly tight when going through a kill off. The less stress on the immune system, the easier and perhaps less of a reaction you may see. Also you won't wonder what is causing the behaviour. My child is very allergic and I keep his diet to things I know for certain he can tolerate, especially when starting a new med. No social situations that would lead to his embarrassment for his behaviour or an opportunity for treats. Bare in mind this is a kid who rarely eats sugar, perhaps only on a Birthday. He eats max. 2 fruits a day and keeps his carbs intake low as well. The yeast thing always baffles me, as I said, I didn't really think it was a problem for him until we went through a kill off. One more thing that I feel I need to mention. Similar to 's confession and concerns over being a good Mother about the donuts, I have had my doubts that I have been the best Mother I could be during these stressful times. I have taken privileges away from my son, given him quiet time in his room, declined to take him to things he wants to go to because he can' t hang on to his behaviour. Afterward, when we are through he worst, I am always over wrought with guilt. I know now that my son cannot control these behaviours during a kill off. I always freak out when we go backwards in anyway, and truly seeing your child become psychotic, really it seems that bad, puts a stress and doubt in your mind that it is going to be okay in the end. Hold on. Have faith in Dr. G and give lots of hugs and understanding to your child. Try and plan some special things that your child could cope with. It is not easy for them either! Contact Dr. G's office and talk to him if it gets really bad. He has reassured me on more than one occasions that it will be brighter on the other side , just when I was ready to throw in the towel. It is worth it in the end. Just change your expectations for a bit and be as supportive and understanding as possible. Best of luck. It is not my favourite time, yet I always hold on to the positive anticipation that we are going to see something great when we get through it. Lori . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 , Could sensitivity be a die off effect? We switched to Nizoral last week from Diflucan and he's had headaches, crankiness, frequent urination,moodiness and yesterday he started crying because I turned his sticker book to the last page! SO not him! Anyway, I have an appointment today to see our local ped to rule out ear/sinus infections. Another questions, have you seen die-off from Acidophius? Thanks, Argie RE: Re: Yeast die-off Hi - My kids have never displayed any die-off symptoms, but most often, you may see some increased crankiness, sometimes an exacerbation of some behaviors, fatigue or hyperness, headaches... with antifungals you can see diahrrea and/or nausea, etc. With Valtrex, you should wash the dye off the pill (run under faucet and wipe w/damp papertowel), and with Diflucan, you should locate a dye-free generic (Sandoz was one but I can't find it anymore) or have it compounded dye-free, as the pink dye seems to be pretty reactive to the majority of kids. Reactions to the dyes could be mistaken for " die-off " symptoms. (Famvir and Nizoral are white, so not a problem.) Die-off symptoms should resolve in 1-2 weeks (avg 2), and rarely go beyond that although it has happened. After two weeks of prolonged increased symptoms (if any), though, you should start considering other possibilities than die-off. Tylenol can help w/ die-off symptoms. Acidophilus started prior to antifungals (and of course during and forever after) can reduce die-off with antifungals. Don't assume you'll see die-off until you do. Lack of die-off does NOT mean it is not working or going to be useful. Starting the meds at lower doses and working up also helps ease severity of die-off, and this is how Dr G does them. Keep a good log of behaviors, meds, foods, and illnesses to help determine triggers... I also loved keeping lists of new things done after the intro of new meds, and after Diflucan, I stopped listing (in the first week) after 20 new things! HTH --- Curtis and Hackler <thehacks@...> wrote: > What types of things do the kids do when they are > having die-off? Haven't experienced this yet, but > will know what to expect. > > Thanks- __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Hi Argie - Yes, ultra-sensitive emotions could be a die-off effect. Try Tyenol and see if you get any improvement (plus extra hugs and kisses of course!)... Definitely get a check up too, though, because if that was a week ago and you were on Diflucan prior to that, you wouldn't likely get a full two weeks die-off. But Nizoral does target more strains of fungus than Diflucan, and I found it to be a superior antifungal to Diflucan for me and the boys, so I'd still hang in there another week... Of course, an intolerance to the med could happen... I think there may also be lactose in Nizoral (?confirm w/someone else) if your child is extremely lactose sensitive (NOT usually a big problem), but you would also probably have tummy pain, watery bms, etc...not unlike die off lol. I haven't for sure seen die-off from acidophilus but do know that it does happen, although I don't think it would be all that likely to trigger die-off if someone is already on antifungals, so symptoms after adding acidophilus would first be suspect of sensitivity IMO. (Has he been on Acidophilus, or did you recently add it?) Hope it improves soon! --- Argie Olivo <golivo@...> wrote: > , > > Could sensitivity be a die off effect? We switched > to Nizoral last week > from Diflucan and he's had headaches, crankiness, > frequent > urination,moodiness and yesterday he started crying > because I turned his > sticker book to the last page! SO not him! Anyway, > I have an appointment > today to see our local ped to rule out ear/sinus > infections. Another > questions, have you seen die-off from Acidophius? > > Thanks, > > Argie > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 My son is a cranky mess during die-off, but he's so sweet and pleasant - and making progress - after he's through it. We've been through 3 of them, lasting several days each, and will probably have another soon as we saw Dr. G today and are switching from Nizoral to Diflucan. He has not had us start out low-dose with the antifungals, though. Maybe I'll ask him about that. Kristy RE: Re: Yeast die-off Hi - My kids have never displayed any die-off symptoms, but most often, you may see some increased crankiness, sometimes an exacerbation of some behaviors, fatigue or hyperness, headaches... with antifungals you can see diahrrea and/or nausea, etc. With Valtrex, you should wash the dye off the pill (run under faucet and wipe w/damp papertowel), and with Diflucan, you should locate a dye-free generic (Sandoz was one but I can't find it anymore) or have it compounded dye-free, as the pink dye seems to be pretty reactive to the majority of kids. Reactions to the dyes could be mistaken for " die-off " symptoms. (Famvir and Nizoral are white, so not a problem.) Die-off symptoms should resolve in 1-2 weeks (avg 2), and rarely go beyond that although it has happened. After two weeks of prolonged increased symptoms (if any), though, you should start considering other possibilities than die-off. Tylenol can help w/ die-off symptoms. Acidophilus started prior to antifungals (and of course during and forever after) can reduce die-off with antifungals. Don't assume you'll see die-off until you do. Lack of die-off does NOT mean it is not working or going to be useful. Starting the meds at lower doses and working up also helps ease severity of die-off, and this is how Dr G does them. Keep a good log of behaviors, meds, foods, and illnesses to help determine triggers... I also loved keeping lists of new things done after the intro of new meds, and after Diflucan, I stopped listing (in the first week) after 20 new things! HTH --- Curtis and Hackler <thehacks@...> wrote: > What types of things do the kids do when they are > having die-off? Haven't experienced this yet, but > will know what to expect. > > Thanks- __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Hi , I purchased Acidophilus, but I'm waiting to give it to him, I want to make sure he doesn't have a reaction...but now he has a sinus infection too! Thanks for your help! Argie RE: Re: Yeast die-off Hi Argie - Yes, ultra-sensitive emotions could be a die-off effect. Try Tyenol and see if you get any improvement (plus extra hugs and kisses of course!)... Definitely get a check up too, though, because if that was a week ago and you were on Diflucan prior to that, you wouldn't likely get a full two weeks die-off. But Nizoral does target more strains of fungus than Diflucan, and I found it to be a superior antifungal to Diflucan for me and the boys, so I'd still hang in there another week... Of course, an intolerance to the med could happen... I think there may also be lactose in Nizoral (?confirm w/someone else) if your child is extremely lactose sensitive (NOT usually a big problem), but you would also probably have tummy pain, watery bms, etc...not unlike die off lol. I haven't for sure seen die-off from acidophilus but do know that it does happen, although I don't think it would be all that likely to trigger die-off if someone is already on antifungals, so symptoms after adding acidophilus would first be suspect of sensitivity IMO. (Has he been on Acidophilus, or did you recently add it?) Hope it improves soon! --- Argie Olivo <golivo@...> wrote: > , > > Could sensitivity be a die off effect? We switched > to Nizoral last week > from Diflucan and he's had headaches, crankiness, > frequent > urination,moodiness and yesterday he started crying > because I turned his > sticker book to the last page! SO not him! Anyway, > I have an appointment > today to see our local ped to rule out ear/sinus > infections. Another > questions, have you seen die-off from Acidophius? > > Thanks, > > Argie > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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