Re: : Your blood test results

[Guest guest]

I think that there are a couple of possibilities here (1) Antibody skewing

on the first test (2) Antibody activity of thyroid destruction continuing

over months, for the Novemeber test (3) Both of these (4)Then there's the

fact that when the antibodies continue doing their dirty work, what they are

attacking are the protein and the enzyme that actually produces both of the

thyroid hormones, so when the T4 production starts dwindling further, the

body converts what little there is into T3 very rapidly, that is, if it can,

and (5) Maybe all of the above. Thyroglobulin and peroxidase are a protein

and an enzyme, and I have VERY high antibodies to BOTH of them, so nothing

would surprise me at this point. I REALLY do want my TSH suppressed, simply

because Hashi's people have a higher chance of getting thyroid cancers,

especially if their thyroids are constantly stimulated, so the .9 TSH is a

little more than a little upsetting to me. I'm just going to have to keep

much closer tabs on it, and get just slightly more aggressive in raising my

thyroid hormone. As long as my adrenals can keep up with it, my raises will

be just a little more often because I feel that I need to keep the TSH

stimulation down, at all costs, other than thyroid hormone that is

ridiculously high, or if I start going loony tunes, lol! I think that it

just so happened that, at the time that I made the change to Armour, my

thyroid was already in a metamorphosis, even after 10 yrs, and probably had

been just for a couple of yrs before the change to Armour. I hope that my

experiences with this will help someone else to possibly see how some of

this stuff works and some of the crazy mysteries of Hashi's and why it is

absolutely essential to get a reading on the antibodies.

: Your blood test results

>

>

> Hi, :

>

> I couldn't help noticing how strange your blood test results were on

> 120 mg Armour as opposed to 90 mg Armour. You probably posted this

> before but I missed it while on vacation or something. Anyway, those

> levels are not at all what one would expect when increasing a dose,

> eh? Do you think that your high antibody activity could account for

> the variance in blood test results? Or do you think that these last

> results are more indicative of where you are really at and that your

> body has adjusted more to Armour? Or ... maybe your cells are better

> able to absorb the Armour now, in other words. Do I ask too many

> silly questions? Now I can't think straight; it's been a long day.

>

> But I ask because my T3 was a little over the top on 90 mg too and

> now I'm going to 120 mg. My concern was that it would keep edging up

> but your's went down. Mighty strange.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think that there are a couple of possibilities here (1) Antibody skewing

on the first test (2) Antibody activity of thyroid destruction continuing

over months, for the Novemeber test (3) Both of these (4)Then there's the

fact that when the antibodies continue doing their dirty work, what they are

attacking are the protein and the enzyme that actually produces both of the

thyroid hormones, so when the T4 production starts dwindling further, the

body converts what little there is into T3 very rapidly, that is, if it can,

and (5) Maybe all of the above. Thyroglobulin and peroxidase are a protein

and an enzyme, and I have VERY high antibodies to BOTH of them, so nothing

would surprise me at this point. I REALLY do want my TSH suppressed, simply

because Hashi's people have a higher chance of getting thyroid cancers,

especially if their thyroids are constantly stimulated, so the .9 TSH is a

little more than a little upsetting to me. I'm just going to have to keep

much closer tabs on it, and get just slightly more aggressive in raising my

thyroid hormone. As long as my adrenals can keep up with it, my raises will

be just a little more often because I feel that I need to keep the TSH

stimulation down, at all costs, other than thyroid hormone that is

ridiculously high, or if I start going loony tunes, lol! I think that it

just so happened that, at the time that I made the change to Armour, my

thyroid was already in a metamorphosis, even after 10 yrs, and probably had

been just for a couple of yrs before the change to Armour. I hope that my

experiences with this will help someone else to possibly see how some of

this stuff works and some of the crazy mysteries of Hashi's and why it is

absolutely essential to get a reading on the antibodies.

: Your blood test results

>

>

> Hi, :

>

> I couldn't help noticing how strange your blood test results were on

> 120 mg Armour as opposed to 90 mg Armour. You probably posted this

> before but I missed it while on vacation or something. Anyway, those

> levels are not at all what one would expect when increasing a dose,

> eh? Do you think that your high antibody activity could account for

> the variance in blood test results? Or do you think that these last

> results are more indicative of where you are really at and that your

> body has adjusted more to Armour? Or ... maybe your cells are better

> able to absorb the Armour now, in other words. Do I ask too many

> silly questions? Now I can't think straight; it's been a long day.

>

> But I ask because my T3 was a little over the top on 90 mg too and

> now I'm going to 120 mg. My concern was that it would keep edging up

> but your's went down. Mighty strange.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Crazy mysteries of Hashi's ... what an understatement! And what a

terribly complicated disease to understand. This is the first I've

heard of enzymes and proteins, very interesting. I believe a lot of

people are learning from your experience and your research, .

You're the one that gave me the courage to try Armour, me with my

sensitivities. I thought well, if she can do it, maybe I can do

it. So thanks for sharing.

What you said about the body converting T4 into T3 very rapidly when

the T4 production starts dwindling would explain why so many hypo

people on Armour test low on the T4 yet on the high end of the T3

scale. Maybe this " evens out " after everything starts getting

optimized.

When you get your peroxidase and thyroglobulin antiboides tested, do

you also get a Reflex TPO AB dilution test? I don't understand the

technicalities of it but it does measure antibody activity somehow,

and this has decreased for me after 4 months of treatment. I know

you are hesitant to try adrenal support without thorough testing,

but my understanding is that hydrocortisone itself lowers that

antibody activity.

Are you still taking 120 mg? Keep us posted and keep up the good

work!

> I think that there are a couple of possibilities here (1) Antibody

skewing

> on the first test (2) Antibody activity of thyroid destruction

continuing

> over months, for the Novemeber test (3) Both of these (4)Then

there's the

> fact that when the antibodies continue doing their dirty work,

what they are

> attacking are the protein and the enzyme that actually produces

both of the

> thyroid hormones, so when the T4 production starts dwindling

further, the

> body converts what little there is into T3 very rapidly, that is,

if it can,

> and (5) Maybe all of the above. Thyroglobulin and peroxidase are

a protein

> and an enzyme, and I have VERY high antibodies to BOTH of them, so

nothing

> would surprise me at this point. I REALLY do want my TSH

suppressed, simply

> because Hashi's people have a higher chance of getting thyroid

cancers,

> especially if their thyroids are constantly stimulated, so the .9

TSH is a

> little more than a little upsetting to me. I'm just going to have

to keep

> much closer tabs on it, and get just slightly more aggressive in

raising my

> thyroid hormone. As long as my adrenals can keep up with it, my

raises will

> be just a little more often because I feel that I need to keep the

TSH

> stimulation down, at all costs, other than thyroid hormone that is

> ridiculously high, or if I start going loony tunes, lol! I think

that it

> just so happened that, at the time that I made the change to

Armour, my

> thyroid was already in a metamorphosis, even after 10 yrs, and

probably had

> been just for a couple of yrs before the change to Armour. I hope

that my

> experiences with this will help someone else to possibly see how

some of

> this stuff works and some of the crazy mysteries of Hashi's and

why it is

> absolutely essential to get a reading on the antibodies.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nobody but Dr. orders relrex Anti-TPO. Remember the

majority of the docs don't think there is anything that can be done

about Hashi. They think it will just burn it out.

Sharon

PS This is why we work so hard with our labs to get this done.

Double charge for us and to the insurance co. Sometimes they won't

pay because they don't understand either.

> > I think that there are a couple of possibilities here (1)

Antibody

> skewing

> > on the first test (2) Antibody activity of thyroid destruction

> continuing

> > over months, for the Novemeber test (3) Both of these (4)Then

> there's the

> > fact that when the antibodies continue doing their dirty work,

> what they are

> > attacking are the protein and the enzyme that actually produces

> both of the

> > thyroid hormones, so when the T4 production starts dwindling

> further, the

> > body converts what little there is into T3 very rapidly, that is,

> if it can,

> > and (5) Maybe all of the above. Thyroglobulin and peroxidase are

> a protein

> > and an enzyme, and I have VERY high antibodies to BOTH of them,

so

> nothing

> > would surprise me at this point. I REALLY do want my TSH

> suppressed, simply

> > because Hashi's people have a higher chance of getting thyroid

> cancers,

> > especially if their thyroids are constantly stimulated, so the .9

> TSH is a

> > little more than a little upsetting to me. I'm just going to

have

> to keep

> > much closer tabs on it, and get just slightly more aggressive in

> raising my

> > thyroid hormone. As long as my adrenals can keep up with it, my

> raises will

> > be just a little more often because I feel that I need to keep

the

> TSH

> > stimulation down, at all costs, other than thyroid hormone that is

> > ridiculously high, or if I start going loony tunes, lol! I think

> that it

> > just so happened that, at the time that I made the change to

> Armour, my

> > thyroid was already in a metamorphosis, even after 10 yrs, and

> probably had

> > been just for a couple of yrs before the change to Armour. I hope

> that my

> > experiences with this will help someone else to possibly see how

> some of

> > this stuff works and some of the crazy mysteries of Hashi's and

> why it is

> > absolutely essential to get a reading on the antibodies.

> >

> >

> >

> >