Re: What about transfer factor?

[Guest guest]

Carmel,

We also used Transfer Factor (from 4Life) before we started with Dr Goldberg

and I felt that it really helped my kids. I was reluctant to give it up b/c

of the good results. When we started kutapressin, we were able to finally stop

the TF. The kutapressin did the work of the Transfer factor and more.

Now, a few years later, I can see dr G hesitancy with TF. I know I took it

myself, as recommended -3 a day- and I felt very " hyper " . If I cut back the

dose I was okay. I don't know if that was because my body just didn't need it

or what. The kids never seemed to get hyper on it, but I always kept the dose

low (2 a day).

In retrospect, I wouldn't have done anything differently with the kids. It

got us through until we were able to try some more effective prescriptions.

Just our experience! I hope you get an appointment soon :-)

Sharon

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Carmel,

What is transfer factor?

Diane

What about transfer factor?

My kids (1 , 1 Pandas, 1 CFIDS) are on the waiting

list for Dr. Goldberg. I have had some of the tests

done, but not all. My son with has an extremely

high HHV6 Titer. Since we're not on any anti-virals,

and we've stopped the mega vitamin DAN protocol, I've

been using transfer factor for him, and I have seen

good results in behavior and general health. I have

read Dr. Goldberg's posts that he didn't think it was

effective, but has anyone besides me been using

transfer factor, and if so, has it been useful for

your kids? The science on this seems solid, but maybe

I'm missing something...

Thanks for any replies!

Carmel Lozano

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When / how did you get on the waiting list?

What about transfer factor?

My kids (1 , 1 Pandas, 1 CFIDS) are on the waiting

list for Dr. Goldberg. I have had some of the tests

done, but not all. My son with has an extremely

high HHV6 Titer. Since we're not on any anti-virals,

and we've stopped the mega vitamin DAN protocol, I've

been using transfer factor for him, and I have seen

good results in behavior and general health. I have

read Dr. Goldberg's posts that he didn't think it was

effective, but has anyone besides me been using

transfer factor, and if so, has it been useful for

your kids? The science on this seems solid, but maybe

I'm missing something...

Thanks for any replies!

Carmel Lozano

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[Guest guest]

When we went to see Dr. G this April, was still on transfer

factor. Dr G. think TF is very unsafe among other reasons because it

is not pasteurized like milk.

We stopped TF right after that, for half month before start

protocol, he was only on Gummy bear Vitamin. That half month he was

doing very well: one week on spring break vacation, the second week

and half, he was taking state standard test. His teacher told me that

was his best performance of the year.

We were hesitating to stop TF and some other DAN vitamins and

supplements. After we meet Dr. G, we went cold turkey on everything,

things turn out fine for us. I was so sure without those DAN's stuff,

he will not functioning.

Take it out one at a time, you may be surprised how things turning

out.

Jin

> Carmel,

>

> We also used Transfer Factor (from 4Life) before we started with Dr

Goldberg

> and I felt that it really helped my kids. I was reluctant to give

it up b/c

> of the good results. When we started kutapressin, we were able to

finally stop

> the TF. The kutapressin did the work of the Transfer factor and

more.

>

> Now, a few years later, I can see dr G hesitancy with TF. I know I

took it

> myself, as recommended -3 a day- and I felt very " hyper " . If I cut

back the

> dose I was okay. I don't know if that was because my body just

didn't need it

> or what. The kids never seemed to get hyper on it, but I always

kept the dose

> low (2 a day).

>

> In retrospect, I wouldn't have done anything differently with the

kids. It

> got us through until we were able to try some more effective

prescriptions.

>

> Just our experience! I hope you get an appointment soon :-)

> Sharon

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[Guest guest]

Can someone please tell me what does DAN stand for?

Thanks,

> > Carmel,

> >

> > We also used Transfer Factor (from 4Life) before we started with

Dr

> Goldberg

> > and I felt that it really helped my kids. I was reluctant to

give

> it up b/c

> > of the good results. When we started kutapressin, we were able

to

> finally stop

> > the TF. The kutapressin did the work of the Transfer factor and

> more.

> >

> > Now, a few years later, I can see dr G hesitancy with TF. I know

I

> took it

> > myself, as recommended -3 a day- and I felt very " hyper " . If I

cut

> back the

> > dose I was okay. I don't know if that was because my body just

> didn't need it

> > or what. The kids never seemed to get hyper on it, but I always

> kept the dose

> > low (2 a day).

> >

> > In retrospect, I wouldn't have done anything differently with the

> kids. It

> > got us through until we were able to try some more effective

> prescriptions.

> >

> > Just our experience! I hope you get an appointment soon :-)

> > Sharon

> > __________________________________

> >

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> > opinion of the Research Institute.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

DAN stands for " Defeat Autism Now " . The DAN protocol differs from the

protocol because it focuses on eliminating toxins from the body, but few DAN

doctors deal with the autoimmune issue, which according to the hypothesis,

is the *underlying factor* in toxicity, GI issues, and other medical problems.

DAN is much more widely known and promoted more within the " autism community " .

I'm glad, though, that we found Dr. Goldberg and the website.

Donna

Re: What about transfer factor?

Can someone please tell me what does DAN stand for?

Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

Thanks - though not familiar with the name, I am more familiar with a

DAN type approach to health in general.

It's actually something I've been questioning about the

protocol. I can totally see how a malfunctioning immune system can

be an underlying factor, but at the same time it doesn't seem to me

that Dr. G takes enough time to address limiting toxins, chemical,

processed foods, synthetics and free radicals, which eventually will

start to wreak havoc on even the healthiest of immune systems and

thereby lead to autoimmune disease.

I guess my thought is this: as in the case of , it certainly

appears that a dysfunctional immune system can leave an individual

very suseptible to damage by " toxins. " However, would it then not be

fair to say that even while addressing the immune system issues, it

would also be wise to start limiting general toxins as well, just as

in the DAN protocol? Does anyone here have thoughts on that? Are

there people here who blend the two approaches? I had these very

thoughts yesterday while familiarizing myself with the " Do's and

Don't of diet " as suggested by Dr. G. He seems to have no problem

with processed foods, synthetic sweeteners, etc. He does make

disclaimers at times, but I guess I just thought a more strict

approach may be in order at times.

Sorry to have rambled so . . . but this all got me thinking even

before you explained what DAN stood for! = )

This is all very interesting to me

> Hi ,

>

> DAN stands for " Defeat Autism Now " . The DAN protocol differs from

the protocol because it focuses on eliminating toxins from the

body, but few DAN doctors deal with the autoimmune issue, which

according to the hypothesis, is the *underlying factor* in

toxicity, GI issues, and other medical problems. DAN is much more

widely known and promoted more within the " autism community " . I'm

glad, though, that we found Dr. Goldberg and the website.

>

> Donna

> Re: What about transfer factor?

>

> Can someone please tell me what does DAN stand for?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

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Of course, the more " pristine " you can get the diet the better. EG,

organic food is preferable to non-organic. Reduce/remove

hydrogenated oils. reduce allergens in the environment. And so on. I

think those things are a given with everyone here since questions

about those topics come up all the time on this board. I don't think

it's fair to say that Dr. G has " no problem with processed foods,

synthetic sweeteners, etc. " I'm sure he'd prefer those things

removed from our childrens' diets - heck, best of all would be for

ALL of us to remove them from our diets. But it's also a matter of

what each individual family can manage and of being pragmatic and of

weighting cost vs. benefit. The diet isn't really " cookie-

cutter " although it may look that way. It's more a " baseline " or

starting point. You have the responsibility of making any needed

additional " tweaks " (putting allergy covers on the mattress and

pillows, using perfume-free dye-free laundry detergent, etc.)

timary

> Thanks - though not familiar with the name, I am more familiar with

a

> DAN type approach to health in general.

>

> It's actually something I've been questioning about the

> protocol. I can totally see how a malfunctioning immune system can

> be an underlying factor, but at the same time it doesn't seem to me

> that Dr. G takes enough time to address limiting toxins, chemical,

> processed foods, synthetics and free radicals, which eventually

will

> start to wreak havoc on even the healthiest of immune systems and

> thereby lead to autoimmune disease.

>

> I guess my thought is this: as in the case of , it certainly

> appears that a dysfunctional immune system can leave an individual

> very suseptible to damage by " toxins. " However, would it then not

be

> fair to say that even while addressing the immune system issues, it

> would also be wise to start limiting general toxins as well, just

as

> in the DAN protocol? Does anyone here have thoughts on that? Are

> there people here who blend the two approaches? I had these very

> thoughts yesterday while familiarizing myself with the " Do's and

> Don't of diet " as suggested by Dr. G. He seems to have no problem

> with processed foods, synthetic sweeteners, etc. He does make

> disclaimers at times, but I guess I just thought a more strict

> approach may be in order at times.

>

> Sorry to have rambled so . . . but this all got me thinking even

> before you explained what DAN stood for! = )

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the clarification. I am just familiarizing myself with

all of this and maybe I made some quick judgments. I was just

surprised to see some of the recommendations on the " Do's and Don't

of Diet " I thought I would have seen more of strict/conservative

stance against synthetics and processed foods, or at least a bit more

warning.

At the same time, I know it can get very complicated when one is also

trying to avoid whole grains, sugars, etc. I think I need to change

some of my thinking, besides. I am just so used to taking a " whole

foods " approach (though we certainly fall short) that I assume whole

grains are good for everyone. And I always prefer table sugar over

synthetic sweeteners but . . . like I say, I am still learning.

Either way, I wanted to thank you for the clarification.

> Of course, the more " pristine " you can get the diet the better. EG,

> organic food is preferable to non-organic. Reduce/remove

> hydrogenated oils. reduce allergens in the environment. And so on.

I

> think those things are a given with everyone here since questions

> about those topics come up all the time on this board. I don't

think

> it's fair to say that Dr. G has " no problem with processed foods,

> synthetic sweeteners, etc. " I'm sure he'd prefer those things

> removed from our childrens' diets - heck, best of all would be for

> ALL of us to remove them from our diets. But it's also a matter of

> what each individual family can manage and of being pragmatic and

of

> weighting cost vs. benefit. The diet isn't really " cookie-

> cutter " although it may look that way. It's more a " baseline " or

> starting point. You have the responsibility of making any needed

> additional " tweaks " (putting allergy covers on the mattress and

> pillows, using perfume-free dye-free laundry detergent, etc.)

>

> timary

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[Guest guest]

Hi -

In chats with Dr. G, he has said before that he is

against such radical diet restrictions because of the

undue stress it puts on the parents. Just the simple

restriction of dairy is very difficult as it is. We

have so many issues to be concerned with. And he

finds that the children improve on the protocol just

as much without the extreme restrictions. He does not

feel it is fair to the kids or the parents to enforce

such difficult measures when it is usually not a

requirement for these kids to improve. Not that he

does not encourage and believe in healthy eating and

limiting these toxins as much as possible. Even

children with extremely high reactivity on the food

screens improve dramatically when still kept to the

Do's and Don'ts of Diet plan, without removing all of

the offending foods - although he does advise to

remove as many that the child visibly reacts to as

possible. Also, as the body improves, it's ability

to cleanse itself of these toxins improves. Research

shows that the immune system is capable of disabling

some of the enzymes that help eliminate these toxins

(like mercury, etc) and when the immune system is no

longer in an over-activated state, the body's function

improves and takes care of itself. We just do the

best we can, and I am so grateful that I was able to

go from the GFCF diet and worrying about every single

thing that passed my son's lips to relaxing and just

focusing on getting protein in him (hard enough!), and

he is doing amazingly well. This week he has seemed

more like a typical normal little boy than I have ever

seen him. And my hair is even growing back from the

gfcf diet.

It really works.

--------

> at the same time it

> doesn't seem to me

> that Dr. G takes enough time to address limiting

> toxins, chemical,

> processed foods, synthetics and free radicals, which

> eventually will

> start to wreak havoc on even the healthiest of

> immune systems and

> thereby lead to autoimmune disease.

>

> I guess my thought is this: as in the case of ,

> it certainly

> appears that a dysfunctional immune system can leave

> an individual

> very suseptible to damage by " toxins. " However,

> would it then not be

> fair to say that even while addressing the immune

> system issues, it

> would also be wise to start limiting general toxins

> as well, just as

> in the DAN protocol? Does anyone here have thoughts

> on that? Are

> there people here who blend the two approaches? I

> had these very

> thoughts yesterday while familiarizing myself with

> the " Do's and

> Don't of diet " as suggested by Dr. G. He seems to

> have no problem

> with processed foods, synthetic sweeteners, etc. He

> does make

> disclaimers at times, but I guess I just thought a

> more strict

> approach may be in order at times.

>

> Sorry to have rambled so . . . but this all got me

> thinking even

> before you explained what DAN stood for! = )

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[Guest guest]

Thanks so much , I appreciate the time you took to reply to

me. I am so glad to hear that your son is doing so well. I really

agree about how overwhelming it can all be. We've only ever gone as

far as removing milk from his diet (not cheese) and limiting sugars.

I only wish I could be more digillent in removing more and I know the

time is coming that I need to make some major adjustments. I've just

been introduced to and hope to have my son tested soon . . .

Thanks again for taking the time to explain - I completely understand!

> Hi -

> In chats with Dr. G, he has said before that he is

> against such radical diet restrictions because of the

> undue stress it puts on the parents. Just the simple

> restriction of dairy is very difficult as it is. We

> have so many issues to be concerned with. And he

> finds that the children improve on the protocol just

> as much without the extreme restrictions. He does not

> feel it is fair to the kids or the parents to enforce

> such difficult measures when it is usually not a

> requirement for these kids to improve. Not that he

> does not encourage and believe in healthy eating and

> limiting these toxins as much as possible. Even

> children with extremely high reactivity on the food

> screens improve dramatically when still kept to the

> Do's and Don'ts of Diet plan, without removing all of

> the offending foods - although he does advise to

> remove as many that the child visibly reacts to as

> possible. Also, as the body improves, it's ability

> to cleanse itself of these toxins improves. Research

> shows that the immune system is capable of disabling

> some of the enzymes that help eliminate these toxins

> (like mercury, etc) and when the immune system is no

> longer in an over-activated state, the body's function

> improves and takes care of itself. We just do the

> best we can, and I am so grateful that I was able to

> go from the GFCF diet and worrying about every single

> thing that passed my son's lips to relaxing and just

> focusing on getting protein in him (hard enough!), and

> he is doing amazingly well. This week he has seemed

> more like a typical normal little boy than I have ever

> seen him. And my hair is even growing back from the

> gfcf diet.

>

> It really works.

>

>

> --------

> > at the same time it

> > doesn't seem to me

> > that Dr. G takes enough time to address limiting

> > toxins, chemical,

> > processed foods, synthetics and free radicals, which

> > eventually will

> > start to wreak havoc on even the healthiest of

> > immune systems and

> > thereby lead to autoimmune disease.

> >

> > I guess my thought is this: as in the case of ,

> > it certainly

> > appears that a dysfunctional immune system can leave

> > an individual

> > very suseptible to damage by " toxins. " However,

> > would it then not be

> > fair to say that even while addressing the immune

> > system issues, it

> > would also be wise to start limiting general toxins

> > as well, just as

> > in the DAN protocol? Does anyone here have thoughts

> > on that? Are

> > there people here who blend the two approaches? I

> > had these very

> > thoughts yesterday while familiarizing myself with

> > the " Do's and

> > Don't of diet " as suggested by Dr. G. He seems to

> > have no problem

> > with processed foods, synthetic sweeteners, etc. He

> > does make

> > disclaimers at times, but I guess I just thought a

> > more strict

> > approach may be in order at times.

> >

> > Sorry to have rambled so . . . but this all got me

> > thinking even

> > before you explained what DAN stood for! = )

>

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I have to disagree with you on the diet thing--

My son reacts to just about everything (severely) on food screens, and

Dr. G. DOES want us on a very restricted diet for now. No dairy, gluten,

brown rice, whole grains of any kind, oats (including Cheerios), no berries,

citrus, soy, eggs, no nuts or seeds of any kind(including nut/seed oils) red

fruits, or tropical fruits including melon and coconut milk. LOL top that!!

He even told me last time we saw him to stop giving him Gorilla Munch (

corn meal cereal) because s eos count went up from 3 to 5 %, even tho

we haven't changed diet at all. I'm managing to stick to it most of the

time. I have to say, tho--- 's poop actually looks normal most of the

time now for the first time EVER, after restricting his diet like this for a

couple of months. Hopefully we'll be able to add some foods *someday*

(sigh)

I really think he bases the diet on a case by case basis. he said

's food screen looked like one from a child who had never had any

dietary restrictions-- and had been milk and citrus free for a year,

plus very little gluten at the time we did Dr. G's food screen, and he was

still that reactive.

I dream of being only gf/cf...........

Becky

Re: Re: What about transfer factor?

> Hi -

> In chats with Dr. G, he has said before that he is

> against such radical diet restrictions because of the

> undue stress it puts on the parents. Just the simple

> restriction of dairy is very difficult as it is. We

> have so many issues to be concerned with. And he

> finds that the children improve on the protocol just

> as much without the extreme restrictions. He does not

> feel it is fair to the kids or the parents to enforce

> such difficult measures when it is usually not a

> requirement for these kids to improve. Not that he

> does not encourage and believe in healthy eating and

> limiting these toxins as much as possible. Even

> children with extremely high reactivity on the food

> screens improve dramatically when still kept to the

> Do's and Don'ts of Diet plan, without removing all of

> the offending foods - although he does advise to

> remove as many that the child visibly reacts to as

> possible. Also, as the body improves, it's ability

> to cleanse itself of these toxins improves. Research

> shows that the immune system is capable of disabling

> some of the enzymes that help eliminate these toxins

> (like mercury, etc) and when the immune system is no

> longer in an over-activated state, the body's function

> improves and takes care of itself. We just do the

> best we can, and I am so grateful that I was able to

> go from the GFCF diet and worrying about every single

> thing that passed my son's lips to relaxing and just

> focusing on getting protein in him (hard enough!), and

> he is doing amazingly well. This week he has seemed

> more like a typical normal little boy than I have ever

> seen him. And my hair is even growing back from the

> gfcf diet.

>

> It really works.

>

------------------

> > at the same time it

> > doesn't seem to me

> > that Dr. G takes enough time to address limiting

> > toxins, chemical,

> > processed foods, synthetics and free radicals, which

> > eventually will

> > start to wreak havoc on even the healthiest of

> > immune systems and

> > thereby lead to autoimmune disease.

> >

> > I guess my thought is this: as in the case of ,

> > it certainly

> > appears that a dysfunctional immune system can leave

> > an individual

> > very suseptible to damage by " toxins. " However,

> > would it then not be

> > fair to say that even while addressing the immune

> > system issues, it

> > would also be wise to start limiting general toxins

> > as well, just as

> > in the DAN protocol? Does anyone here have thoughts

> > on that? Are

> > there people here who blend the two approaches? I

> > had these very

> > thoughts yesterday while familiarizing myself with

> > the " Do's and

> > Don't of diet " as suggested by Dr. G. He seems to

> > have no problem

> > with processed foods, synthetic sweeteners, etc. He

> > does make

> > disclaimers at times, but I guess I just thought a

> > more strict

> > approach may be in order at times.

> > Sorry to have rambled so . . . but this all got me

> > thinking even

> > before you explained what DAN stood for! = )

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[Guest guest]

Hi Becky -- just curious; what kinds of things can he eat? I know someone whose

child may be dealing with the same issues.

Donna

Re: Re: What about transfer factor?

I have to disagree with you on the diet thing--

My son reacts to just about everything (severely) on food screens, and

Dr. G. DOES want us on a very restricted diet for now. No dairy, gluten,

brown rice, whole grains of any kind, oats (including Cheerios), no berries,

citrus, soy, eggs, no nuts or seeds of any kind(including nut/seed oils) red

fruits, or tropical fruits including melon and coconut milk. LOL top that!!

He even told me last time we saw him to stop giving him Gorilla Munch (

corn meal cereal) because s eos count went up from 3 to 5 %, even tho

we haven't changed diet at all. I'm managing to stick to it most of the

time. I have to say, tho--- 's poop actually looks normal most of the

time now for the first time EVER, after restricting his diet like this for a

couple of months. Hopefully we'll be able to add some foods *someday*

(sigh)

I really think he bases the diet on a case by case basis. he said

's food screen looked like one from a child who had never had any

dietary restrictions-- and had been milk and citrus free for a year,

plus very little gluten at the time we did Dr. G's food screen, and he was

still that reactive.

I dream of being only gf/cf...........

Becky

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