Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Hi , Since your older daughter has an OCD dx, I would definitely keep that in mind for the 3 yr old. However, as the mom to 3 boys - my oldest is 19 and then I have twins that are 15 (not identical and one twin has OCD), I would also keep in mind how kids go thru many phases growing up and they are not all alike as to phases. My oldest used to scream and hold onto anything he could grab when I would try to get him into the daycare building, cry he didn't want to stay, etc. That was one period he went through. One of the twins suddenly got separation anxiety around 6 or 7th grade(!) if I recall that correctly. Lasted the whole year and drove me crazy, was like my shadow. He'd had a bit of it back in elementary school also but managed, then it seemed to get worse suddenly. You'd never know today either one of those boys ever wanted to be around me at any point in their lives! <wink> As for the hoarding, again, kids go through phases, attachment to things, upset about seemingly nothing (like throwing the penny or something away). At some point next year, she might throw a handful of pennies in the well! Still, I would work with her on this area some, talk to her about it, etc. My OCDer was something of a hoarder in elementary school, but not back at preschool age. He didn't like throwing things away, even candy he said he was saving but would never eat. My oldest didn't want me to get rid of a toy if he'd outgrown it or was broken or he hadn't been playing with it, etc., when he was young. Is your daughter having trouble throwing actual " trash " away?? So - I would work with the 3 yr old on issues but keep in mind how changeable kids are from month to month, from now to 6 months later, from year to year, etc. And actually you can " treat " many things as if they were OCD, using the same techniques even if/when they actually aren't. Such as being able to throw away things, flush the toilet, etc. Well, not much help, but with my 3 boys, we covered a lot between them! > Where to begin....my 5 year old daughter was dx OCD in March. My 3 > year old began preschool two weeks ago and has new and intense > separation anxiety. Meanwhile she (the 3 year old) has also begun > to become hysterical when she is asked to throw something away or > flush the toilet and today SHE asked to throw a penny into a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Hi , Since your older daughter has an OCD dx, I would definitely keep that in mind for the 3 yr old. However, as the mom to 3 boys - my oldest is 19 and then I have twins that are 15 (not identical and one twin has OCD), I would also keep in mind how kids go thru many phases growing up and they are not all alike as to phases. My oldest used to scream and hold onto anything he could grab when I would try to get him into the daycare building, cry he didn't want to stay, etc. That was one period he went through. One of the twins suddenly got separation anxiety around 6 or 7th grade(!) if I recall that correctly. Lasted the whole year and drove me crazy, was like my shadow. He'd had a bit of it back in elementary school also but managed, then it seemed to get worse suddenly. You'd never know today either one of those boys ever wanted to be around me at any point in their lives! <wink> As for the hoarding, again, kids go through phases, attachment to things, upset about seemingly nothing (like throwing the penny or something away). At some point next year, she might throw a handful of pennies in the well! Still, I would work with her on this area some, talk to her about it, etc. My OCDer was something of a hoarder in elementary school, but not back at preschool age. He didn't like throwing things away, even candy he said he was saving but would never eat. My oldest didn't want me to get rid of a toy if he'd outgrown it or was broken or he hadn't been playing with it, etc., when he was young. Is your daughter having trouble throwing actual " trash " away?? So - I would work with the 3 yr old on issues but keep in mind how changeable kids are from month to month, from now to 6 months later, from year to year, etc. And actually you can " treat " many things as if they were OCD, using the same techniques even if/when they actually aren't. Such as being able to throw away things, flush the toilet, etc. Well, not much help, but with my 3 boys, we covered a lot between them! > Where to begin....my 5 year old daughter was dx OCD in March. My 3 > year old began preschool two weeks ago and has new and intense > separation anxiety. Meanwhile she (the 3 year old) has also begun > to become hysterical when she is asked to throw something away or > flush the toilet and today SHE asked to throw a penny into a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Thanks to everyone for their thoughtful responses to my questions and my fears. We are considering a psychiatric evaluation for my 3 year old, yet waiting a week or so to see if the behaviors continue. Interestingly enough, I took her to the pediatrician this morning (one who is familiar at least with the word PANDAS) and he found she had an ear infection. Her quick throat swab was negative and they will culture it this weekend. Can an ear infection be strep? My 5 year old does have PANDAS so we are curious if this might explain the intensity and the onset of my 3 year olds behaviors. We are basically holding our breath as the antibiotics take hold and the week progresses. My husband and I feel like we are clinging to our own sanity right now, our marriage was shaky even before the first OCD dx in March. Life can feel so hard sometimes. I am very grateful this list exists. I'll keep you posted, ( My 3 year old began preschool two weeks ago and has new and intense separation anxiety. Meanwhile she has also begun to become hysterical when she is asked to throw something away or flush the toilet and asked to throw a penny into a wishing well. So, fearfully I ask, does this also seem like OCD, maybe early hoarding behavior/thought processes? or has anyone ever experienced intense and generalized separation anxiety as separate from OCD? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Thanks to everyone for their thoughtful responses to my questions and my fears. We are considering a psychiatric evaluation for my 3 year old, yet waiting a week or so to see if the behaviors continue. Interestingly enough, I took her to the pediatrician this morning (one who is familiar at least with the word PANDAS) and he found she had an ear infection. Her quick throat swab was negative and they will culture it this weekend. Can an ear infection be strep? My 5 year old does have PANDAS so we are curious if this might explain the intensity and the onset of my 3 year olds behaviors. We are basically holding our breath as the antibiotics take hold and the week progresses. My husband and I feel like we are clinging to our own sanity right now, our marriage was shaky even before the first OCD dx in March. Life can feel so hard sometimes. I am very grateful this list exists. I'll keep you posted, ( My 3 year old began preschool two weeks ago and has new and intense separation anxiety. Meanwhile she has also begun to become hysterical when she is asked to throw something away or flush the toilet and asked to throw a penny into a wishing well. So, fearfully I ask, does this also seem like OCD, maybe early hoarding behavior/thought processes? or has anyone ever experienced intense and generalized separation anxiety as separate from OCD? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Thanks to everyone for their thoughtful responses to my questions and my fears. We are considering a psychiatric evaluation for my 3 year old, yet waiting a week or so to see if the behaviors continue. Interestingly enough, I took her to the pediatrician this morning (one who is familiar at least with the word PANDAS) and he found she had an ear infection. Her quick throat swab was negative and they will culture it this weekend. Can an ear infection be strep? My 5 year old does have PANDAS so we are curious if this might explain the intensity and the onset of my 3 year olds behaviors. We are basically holding our breath as the antibiotics take hold and the week progresses. My husband and I feel like we are clinging to our own sanity right now, our marriage was shaky even before the first OCD dx in March. Life can feel so hard sometimes. I am very grateful this list exists. I'll keep you posted, ( My 3 year old began preschool two weeks ago and has new and intense separation anxiety. Meanwhile she has also begun to become hysterical when she is asked to throw something away or flush the toilet and asked to throw a penny into a wishing well. So, fearfully I ask, does this also seem like OCD, maybe early hoarding behavior/thought processes? or has anyone ever experienced intense and generalized separation anxiety as separate from OCD? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 , Just to give you a bit of hope & a possibility, my son , now 15 and not by OCD-diagnosed child, exhibited extreme OCD behaviors around that age also. Drove me crazy for 2-3-4 months, I was thinking then I'd HAVE to see about him getting treatment. But the behaviors faded away at some point. He's still a bit picky about neatness, but nothing distressing or anxiety causing. I'll keep my fingers crossed it works out this way for your 3 yr old! > Thanks to everyone for their thoughtful responses to my questions > and my fears. We are considering a psychiatric evaluation for my 3 > year old, yet waiting a week or so to see if the behaviors > continue. Interestingly enough, I took her to the pediatrician this > morning (one who is familiar at least with the word PANDAS) and he Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 What struck me most when I read your post was that your daughter just began preschool two weeks ago and now she doesn't want to throw anything away.... I couldn't help but think that maybe she thinks */she's/* being " thrown away " when she's left at preschool. I'm not suggesting that she stop going to preschool, but just thinking it could be part of the separation anxiety. jmuisemama wrote: >Where to begin....my 5 year old daughter was dx OCD in March. My 3 >year old began preschool two weeks ago and has new and intense >separation anxiety. Meanwhile she (the 3 year old) has also begun >to become hysterical when she is asked to throw something away or >flush the toilet and today SHE asked to throw a penny into a wishing >well, then ran away screaming and crying, couldn't throw the penny. >So, fearfully I ask, does this also seem like OCD, maybe early >hoarding behavior/thought processes? or has anyone ever experienced >intense and generalized separation anxiety as separate from OCD? >Thanks for any input you might have, > > > > >Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// . >Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 What struck me most when I read your post was that your daughter just began preschool two weeks ago and now she doesn't want to throw anything away.... I couldn't help but think that maybe she thinks */she's/* being " thrown away " when she's left at preschool. I'm not suggesting that she stop going to preschool, but just thinking it could be part of the separation anxiety. jmuisemama wrote: >Where to begin....my 5 year old daughter was dx OCD in March. My 3 >year old began preschool two weeks ago and has new and intense >separation anxiety. Meanwhile she (the 3 year old) has also begun >to become hysterical when she is asked to throw something away or >flush the toilet and today SHE asked to throw a penny into a wishing >well, then ran away screaming and crying, couldn't throw the penny. >So, fearfully I ask, does this also seem like OCD, maybe early >hoarding behavior/thought processes? or has anyone ever experienced >intense and generalized separation anxiety as separate from OCD? >Thanks for any input you might have, > > > > >Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// . >Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 What struck me most when I read your post was that your daughter just began preschool two weeks ago and now she doesn't want to throw anything away.... I couldn't help but think that maybe she thinks */she's/* being " thrown away " when she's left at preschool. I'm not suggesting that she stop going to preschool, but just thinking it could be part of the separation anxiety. jmuisemama wrote: >Where to begin....my 5 year old daughter was dx OCD in March. My 3 >year old began preschool two weeks ago and has new and intense >separation anxiety. Meanwhile she (the 3 year old) has also begun >to become hysterical when she is asked to throw something away or >flush the toilet and today SHE asked to throw a penny into a wishing >well, then ran away screaming and crying, couldn't throw the penny. >So, fearfully I ask, does this also seem like OCD, maybe early >hoarding behavior/thought processes? or has anyone ever experienced >intense and generalized separation anxiety as separate from OCD? >Thanks for any input you might have, > > > > >Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// . >Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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