RE: Iron? - MCV?

[Guest guest]

,

What exactly does MCV tell you? I just

started taking a B Complex about 3 weeks ago. So since Roxanne’s MCV is

high, that shows a B vitamin deficiency? My MCV is on the low side (before I

started taking the B Complex)

My MCV count, along with some others that

I have no idea what they mean, ;-) are:

WBC

4.05 (3.90-11.3)

Neu

42.0 (38.0-80.0)

Lym

41.8 (15.0-49.0)

Mono

6.4 (0.0-13.0)

Eos

8.1(H) (0.0-8.0)

Baso

1.7 (0.0-2.0)

RBC

4.38 (3.90-5.10)

HGB

12.7 (11.5-15.5)

HCT 39

(34.0-45.0)

MCV

89.1 (80.0-102.0)

MCH

29.0 (27.0-34.0)

MCHC

32.6 (32.0-36.0)

RDW

11.0 (L) (11.7-15.0)

PLT

223 (150-450)

MPV

11.1 (7.5-11.5)

Does any of this look unusual?

I will have my ferritin back next week.

From:

Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 4:09

PM

To:

Texas_Thyroid_Groups

Subject: Re:

Iron?

I know nothing about which iron supplements, but that MCV

tells me that, yes, you need either the B12 or the Folic Acid. Get the

B12 in a liquid form to hold under the tongue for a few minutes, just in case

you may have a gut absorption problem for that. In case it is a Folic

Acid problem instead, (as mine turned out to be), take a minimum of 800 mcgs

with the B12 or at any time (I remembered both of them, when I take them

together), but do get tested for both of these very soon. The serum test

for either one is questionable, but the Red Blood Cell Folate is better for the

folic acid and/or the homocysteine seems to indicate the folate or the

B12. Also, the test for methylmalonic acid has to do with the B12.

I got a serum B12, and that's all I ever had for that one, but got the red

blood cell folate and serum folic acid, both. I didn't get into the other

tests because of lack of funds, but if you can, do that too. The liquid

B12 I take just comes from the local Walmart and is called Spring Valley B

Complex Sublingual. It has some of the other Bs in it, including B5,

which is vital to us, as thyroid people. It does not have the folic acid

in it, so I just purchased another brand of tablets for it. The Bs really

need to be taken together, particularly these two, because they both have a lot

to do with each other. Your MCV shows very slight enlargement of some red

blood cells. Mine was well over this count, when it was there. It

was when I got in severe chronic thyroid deficiency, and was in the process of

trying to bring the Armour up, plus that huge # of antibodies pounding away on

my thyroid and probably everywhere else too.

Iron?

Hey Group,

Since I can not

afford to go to the doctor right now, I thought I would start taking an

Iron supplement! ?'s again. Has anyone taken Floradix Iron + Herbs Liquid & if so how long did it take for you

to feel better and are you still taking it?

test results on

FERRITIN

15

10 - 291

Should I take a

form of B12 with the floraix?

MCV

104

81 - 103

Thanks and have a Great

day

Roxanne

Lipan TX

[Guest guest]

What exactly does MCV tell you?

Hey ; go to this site and there is an explanation as to what the tests mean. (somewhat) I do like the way the group explains it better, but this is a start to giving you an understanding to what you are asking about!

https://www.healthcheckusa.com:4044/resultinfo.html

Hope this helps!

r.

Roxanne

Lipan TX

What exactly does MCV tell you? I just started taking a B Complex about 3 weeks ago. So since Roxanne’s MCV is high, that shows a B vitamin deficiency? My MCV is on the low side (before I started taking the B Complex)

My MCV count, along with some others that I have no idea what they mean, ;-) are:

WBC 4.05 (3.90-11.3) Neu 42.0 (38.0-80.0) Lym 41.8 (15.0-49.0) Mono 6.4 (0.0-13.0) Eos 8.1(H) (0.0-8.0) Baso 1.7 (0.0-2.0) RBC 4.38 (3.90-5.10) HGB 12.7 (11.5-15.5) HCT 39 (34.0-45.0) MCV 89.1 (80.0-102.0) MCH 29.0 (27.0-34.0) MCHC 32.6 (32.0-36.0) RDW 11.0 (L) (11.7-15.0) PLT 223 (150-450) MPV 11.1 (7.5-11.5)

Does any of this look unusual?

I will have my ferritin back next week.

[Guest guest]

Red Blood Cell counts are not in a "spacy" area, like our thyroid ranges, which, of course, are highly questionable. They are true ranges of normal and abnormal. Your MCV is not low, it is in a very normal area on the testing shown. Are you saying that it was previously low? MCV means Mean Corpuscular Volume, which indicates the actual size of the entire red blood cell. Being high would mean that there were some that are oversized, and this does indicate either a B12 deficiency or a Folic Acid deficiency, one or both, if coupled with some other things in the RBCs. These two nutrients are intimately coupled to each other, and that is why it is dangerous to take massive quantities of folic acid, not testing for a B12 deficiency, because after correction of the red blood cells with the folic acid (still having a B12 anemia), the neurologic damage of the B12 deficiency will continue, especially if it is severe enough. This is exactly why I first tested for the B12, instead of doing both first (money). The oversized red blood cells, with a lack of hemoglobin and a lack of the quality of the hemoglobin, along with some other things on the red blood cell counts are specific for these two anemias, NOT iron anemia. Iron anemia has the smaller undersized red blood cells, just the opposite. Our red blood cells are produced in the bone marrow, so if the complete # of all red blood cells included is reduced, that means that the marrow isn't keeping up with producing enough to make up for what is being used up in the body, OR, because of the metabolic problems of hypothyroidism, it slows down producing them, and can't keep up with the body's use, period. It looks more like yours might be a question of ferritin, depending on your coming blood levels, though there is nothing on this testing to indicate any anemia, that I can see. These 3 anemias, and also including levels of the other nutrients, but next in importance B5 and B6, are those to really look for in ANY chronic disease, chronic hypothyroidism being a chronic disease, being as it is at the bottom of the metabolism of everything that we consume, and the speed and quality of how all these things are absorbed everywhere. I do not understand doctors who don't understand what a grave situation an ongoing anemia like these can be, let alone the fact that many don't understand that thyroid disease is the major factor here. BTW, if a person has Celiac, that person is likely to have the antibody to intrinsic factor in the gut. If a person's intrinsic factor is destroyed, they canNOT absorb B12 from the gut at all, so they must have one of 3 ways to get it------Injection, I'm thinking done weekly in the beginning, then monthly thereafter, liquid held under the tongue or the lozenges held under the tongue, or the micronized nasal spray, absorption being through the capillaries of the nasal passages, I assume. In a B12 anemia, the amt taken must be anywhere from 1000 to 2000 mcgs on up, a day initially. Folic acid, I believe should be at least 1000 or more, even up to 5000 mcgs or so, for a severe anemia. Someone said mgs, but every reference I've seen to this says mcgs. Who knows, maybe some have to have that much, I just haven't researched the situations for it being that much.

RE: Iron? - MCV?

,

What exactly does MCV tell you? I just started taking a B Complex about 3 weeks ago. So since Roxanne’s MCV is high, that shows a B vitamin deficiency? My MCV is on the low side (before I started taking the B Complex)

My MCV count, along with some others that I have no idea what they mean, ;-) are:

WBC 4.05 (3.90-11.3) Neu 42.0 (38.0-80.0) Lym 41.8 (15.0-49.0) Mono 6.4 (0.0-13.0) Eos 8.1(H) (0.0-8.0) Baso 1.7 (0.0-2.0) RBC 4.38 (3.90-5.10) HGB 12.7 (11.5-15.5) HCT 39 (34.0-45.0) MCV 89.1 (80.0-102.0) MCH 29.0 (27.0-34.0) MCHC 32.6 (32.0-36.0) RDW 11.0 (L) (11.7-15.0) PLT 223 (150-450) MPV 11.1 (7.5-11.5)

Does any of this look unusual?

I will have my ferritin back next week.

[Guest guest]

Red Blood Cell counts are not in a "spacy" area, like our thyroid ranges, which, of course, are highly questionable. They are true ranges of normal and abnormal. Your MCV is not low, it is in a very normal area on the testing shown. Are you saying that it was previously low? MCV means Mean Corpuscular Volume, which indicates the actual size of the entire red blood cell. Being high would mean that there were some that are oversized, and this does indicate either a B12 deficiency or a Folic Acid deficiency, one or both, if coupled with some other things in the RBCs. These two nutrients are intimately coupled to each other, and that is why it is dangerous to take massive quantities of folic acid, not testing for a B12 deficiency, because after correction of the red blood cells with the folic acid (still having a B12 anemia), the neurologic damage of the B12 deficiency will continue, especially if it is severe enough. This is exactly why I first tested for the B12, instead of doing both first (money). The oversized red blood cells, with a lack of hemoglobin and a lack of the quality of the hemoglobin, along with some other things on the red blood cell counts are specific for these two anemias, NOT iron anemia. Iron anemia has the smaller undersized red blood cells, just the opposite. Our red blood cells are produced in the bone marrow, so if the complete # of all red blood cells included is reduced, that means that the marrow isn't keeping up with producing enough to make up for what is being used up in the body, OR, because of the metabolic problems of hypothyroidism, it slows down producing them, and can't keep up with the body's use, period. It looks more like yours might be a question of ferritin, depending on your coming blood levels, though there is nothing on this testing to indicate any anemia, that I can see. These 3 anemias, and also including levels of the other nutrients, but next in importance B5 and B6, are those to really look for in ANY chronic disease, chronic hypothyroidism being a chronic disease, being as it is at the bottom of the metabolism of everything that we consume, and the speed and quality of how all these things are absorbed everywhere. I do not understand doctors who don't understand what a grave situation an ongoing anemia like these can be, let alone the fact that many don't understand that thyroid disease is the major factor here. BTW, if a person has Celiac, that person is likely to have the antibody to intrinsic factor in the gut. If a person's intrinsic factor is destroyed, they canNOT absorb B12 from the gut at all, so they must have one of 3 ways to get it------Injection, I'm thinking done weekly in the beginning, then monthly thereafter, liquid held under the tongue or the lozenges held under the tongue, or the micronized nasal spray, absorption being through the capillaries of the nasal passages, I assume. In a B12 anemia, the amt taken must be anywhere from 1000 to 2000 mcgs on up, a day initially. Folic acid, I believe should be at least 1000 or more, even up to 5000 mcgs or so, for a severe anemia. Someone said mgs, but every reference I've seen to this says mcgs. Who knows, maybe some have to have that much, I just haven't researched the situations for it being that much.

RE: Iron? - MCV?

,

What exactly does MCV tell you? I just started taking a B Complex about 3 weeks ago. So since Roxanne’s MCV is high, that shows a B vitamin deficiency? My MCV is on the low side (before I started taking the B Complex)

My MCV count, along with some others that I have no idea what they mean, ;-) are:

WBC 4.05 (3.90-11.3) Neu 42.0 (38.0-80.0) Lym 41.8 (15.0-49.0) Mono 6.4 (0.0-13.0) Eos 8.1(H) (0.0-8.0) Baso 1.7 (0.0-2.0) RBC 4.38 (3.90-5.10) HGB 12.7 (11.5-15.5) HCT 39 (34.0-45.0) MCV 89.1 (80.0-102.0) MCH 29.0 (27.0-34.0) MCHC 32.6 (32.0-36.0) RDW 11.0 (L) (11.7-15.0) PLT 223 (150-450) MPV 11.1 (7.5-11.5)

Does any of this look unusual?

I will have my ferritin back next week.

[Guest guest]

Red Blood Cell counts are not in a "spacy" area, like our thyroid ranges, which, of course, are highly questionable. They are true ranges of normal and abnormal. Your MCV is not low, it is in a very normal area on the testing shown. Are you saying that it was previously low? MCV means Mean Corpuscular Volume, which indicates the actual size of the entire red blood cell. Being high would mean that there were some that are oversized, and this does indicate either a B12 deficiency or a Folic Acid deficiency, one or both, if coupled with some other things in the RBCs. These two nutrients are intimately coupled to each other, and that is why it is dangerous to take massive quantities of folic acid, not testing for a B12 deficiency, because after correction of the red blood cells with the folic acid (still having a B12 anemia), the neurologic damage of the B12 deficiency will continue, especially if it is severe enough. This is exactly why I first tested for the B12, instead of doing both first (money). The oversized red blood cells, with a lack of hemoglobin and a lack of the quality of the hemoglobin, along with some other things on the red blood cell counts are specific for these two anemias, NOT iron anemia. Iron anemia has the smaller undersized red blood cells, just the opposite. Our red blood cells are produced in the bone marrow, so if the complete # of all red blood cells included is reduced, that means that the marrow isn't keeping up with producing enough to make up for what is being used up in the body, OR, because of the metabolic problems of hypothyroidism, it slows down producing them, and can't keep up with the body's use, period. It looks more like yours might be a question of ferritin, depending on your coming blood levels, though there is nothing on this testing to indicate any anemia, that I can see. These 3 anemias, and also including levels of the other nutrients, but next in importance B5 and B6, are those to really look for in ANY chronic disease, chronic hypothyroidism being a chronic disease, being as it is at the bottom of the metabolism of everything that we consume, and the speed and quality of how all these things are absorbed everywhere. I do not understand doctors who don't understand what a grave situation an ongoing anemia like these can be, let alone the fact that many don't understand that thyroid disease is the major factor here. BTW, if a person has Celiac, that person is likely to have the antibody to intrinsic factor in the gut. If a person's intrinsic factor is destroyed, they canNOT absorb B12 from the gut at all, so they must have one of 3 ways to get it------Injection, I'm thinking done weekly in the beginning, then monthly thereafter, liquid held under the tongue or the lozenges held under the tongue, or the micronized nasal spray, absorption being through the capillaries of the nasal passages, I assume. In a B12 anemia, the amt taken must be anywhere from 1000 to 2000 mcgs on up, a day initially. Folic acid, I believe should be at least 1000 or more, even up to 5000 mcgs or so, for a severe anemia. Someone said mgs, but every reference I've seen to this says mcgs. Who knows, maybe some have to have that much, I just haven't researched the situations for it being that much.

RE: Iron? - MCV?

,

What exactly does MCV tell you? I just started taking a B Complex about 3 weeks ago. So since Roxanne’s MCV is high, that shows a B vitamin deficiency? My MCV is on the low side (before I started taking the B Complex)

My MCV count, along with some others that I have no idea what they mean, ;-) are:

WBC 4.05 (3.90-11.3) Neu 42.0 (38.0-80.0) Lym 41.8 (15.0-49.0) Mono 6.4 (0.0-13.0) Eos 8.1(H) (0.0-8.0) Baso 1.7 (0.0-2.0) RBC 4.38 (3.90-5.10) HGB 12.7 (11.5-15.5) HCT 39 (34.0-45.0) MCV 89.1 (80.0-102.0) MCH 29.0 (27.0-34.0) MCHC 32.6 (32.0-36.0) RDW 11.0 (L) (11.7-15.0) PLT 223 (150-450) MPV 11.1 (7.5-11.5)

Does any of this look unusual?

I will have my ferritin back next week.

[Guest guest]

Oh yes, and I forgot about the www.labtestsonline.net site also. This is where I got a lot of info also about antibodies for what disease.

Re: Iron? - MCV?

What exactly does MCV tell you?

Hey ; go to this site and there is an explanation as to what the tests mean. (somewhat) I do like the way the group explains it better, but this is a start to giving you an understanding to what you are asking about!

https://www.healthcheckusa.com:4044/resultinfo.html

Hope this helps!

r.

Roxanne

Lipan TX

[Guest guest]

Oh yes, and I forgot about the www.labtestsonline.net site also. This is where I got a lot of info also about antibodies for what disease.

Re: Iron? - MCV?

What exactly does MCV tell you?

Hey ; go to this site and there is an explanation as to what the tests mean. (somewhat) I do like the way the group explains it better, but this is a start to giving you an understanding to what you are asking about!

https://www.healthcheckusa.com:4044/resultinfo.html

Hope this helps!

r.

Roxanne

Lipan TX