Hand Flapping

[Guest guest]

from my experience, and my son is 14, the handflapping comes and goes. Just

like another stims. I just like to get the inappropriate behavior right

away, before it becomes a frequent stim. I would just put his hand down, and

say nothing. Or say hands quiet. and try to divert his attention. I think

this is the same kind of thing as the toe walking, and for those of you that

have little ones that do that, seems to be a classical thing that they all

do, or did, what we did is just push down on his shoulders each time he did

that, and he did not do that anymore.

hope that this helps.

ac

[Guest guest]

We noticed the most flapping with Sugar intake, Yeast growth-Shari

Kaye wrote:

> Can someone tell me what attributes to hand flapping? Logan started

> doing it A LOT today and this is new for him.

>

> thanks in advance,

> Kaye

>

>

> =======================================================

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[Guest guest]

They only time our boy hand flaps is when he is due to do number 2's or if

he really really wants to and can't because hes constipated.

Terri

[ ] Hand Flapping

>Can someone tell me what attributes to hand flapping? Logan started

>doing it A LOT today and this is new for him.

>

>thanks in advance,

> Kaye

>

>

>

>=======================================================

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/3/01 9:53:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

buzzlightyearspacecommander@... writes:

> how

> ny Carson used to do with a pencil. Everyone knew this as

> ny's trademark fidgeting but no one cared as it was " cute " .I am

> hoping my son's flapping will translate into something cute too one

> day. It appears to be working with the straw in his hands.

>

I personally don't think it is cute for an adult to be flapping. Sorry, I

disagree, i think that you should try to correct this behavior before it

becomes a way of life for your child. As a parent of an older child, 14, I

know that the redirection does help.

ac

[Guest guest]

For many children, Kaye, the hand flapping is a simple means of

centering themselves. The motion of hand movements allows for blood

to flush the area and provide a stimulus that calms the nerves. It is

done more for excitement or nervousness than for any other reason.

I have been told by some to stop the behavior or to redirect to

another behavior but then again I have heard from others that this

activity of flapping actually helps them feel more together and to

allow them to continue to do the flapping.

Personally, I have asked Cam to do other things to calm or center

himself that are more socially acceptable and I have always explained

it that way to him even when he didn't appear to even be able to

understand word one I said. After a while he knew to clasp his hands

together or take a straw and play with it in his fingers like how

ny Carson used to do with a pencil. Everyone knew this as

ny's trademark fidgeting but no one cared as it was " cute " .I am

hoping my son's flapping will translate into something cute too one

day. It appears to be working with the straw in his hands.

Hope this helps.

Jeannie

> Can someone tell me what attributes to hand flapping? Logan started

> doing it A LOT today and this is new for him.

>

> thanks in advance,

> Kaye

[Guest guest]

> Can someone tell me what attributes to hand flapping? Logan started

> doing it A LOT today and this is new for him.

>

> thanks in advance,

> Kaye

Kaye,

I don't recall exactly where I read this, but I am under the

impression that hand flapping is an immune response. Mercury creates

an environment in the body which produces toxins. The immune system

directs the toxins away from vital organs to the best of its

ability. The arms don't want the toxins either, the arms don't feel

right, hands flapping. The same is true with pacing stims.

Extremities are trying to deal with toxins, trying to get rid of them.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the infor Stacie

Hope you stay on the list . It is nice to have information like this .

my son doesn't flick or flap. He likes to hum alot. I don't usually bug him

about his stims , except for when I am talking directly to him and he

ignores me. I would love to hear more of your expieriences . ONe thing I

noticed is if you talk about something uncomfortable for him, that is when

he starts humming...I have my own stims I guess, everyone does. kelly

>

> Hi. I am an adult with Aspergers Syndrom, Dyslexia, and " minimal

> brain dysfunction " (hyperactivity) now known as ADD/HD. Diagnosed

> hyperatctive as a child, dyslexia as a young adult and fairly

> recently by several Dr.'s who state I meet the diagnostic criteria

> for Aspergers.

>

> On hand flapping. ..and insiders point of view. I did that a lot as a

> child. It calms frazzled nerves! When you stay on a " perpetual

> adreniline high " you have to do something to wind down. My mother

> would slap my hands,yell at me, school teachers would tie my arms to

> the chairs! I hated it!!!!! I eventually learned to flick my fingers

> at my side. (It's not as obvious - and doesn't make people

> uncomfortable)

>

> I have a son with Autism. I have never made him stop hand flapping.

> He went thru that for a while. I would sit or stand beside him, try

> to get his perspective and understand it. Where is he coming from

> that he needs to do this? What is happening? With him also it was

> wind down sort of thing from frazzled nerves, over stimulization.

>

> I tought him to continue but hand flick. I have a very firm beleif

> that every " stim " is a way to help the body heal. Unless it is

> hurting him like slamming his head to a wall - which I still

> continued to allow but I put an overstuffed pillow between hiim and

> the wall. I beleive that every one of us is doing the best we can in

> order to help our bodies. Why stop a stim because you are

> uncomfortable with it? Show a way that is " acceptable " , but allow him

> to have his ways to help heal.

>

> ..just my 2 cents worth.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi. I am an adult with Aspergers Syndrom, Dyslexia, and " minimal

brain dysfunction " (hyperactivity) now known as ADD/HD. Diagnosed

hyperatctive as a child, dyslexia as a young adult and fairly

recently by several Dr.'s who state I meet the diagnostic criteria

for Aspergers.

On hand flapping. ..and insiders point of view. I did that a lot as a

child. It calms frazzled nerves! When you stay on a " perpetual

adreniline high " you have to do something to wind down. My mother

would slap my hands,yell at me, school teachers would tie my arms to

the chairs! I hated it!!!!! I eventually learned to flick my fingers

at my side. (It's not as obvious - and doesn't make people

uncomfortable)

I have a son with Autism. I have never made him stop hand flapping.

He went thru that for a while. I would sit or stand beside him, try

to get his perspective and understand it. Where is he coming from

that he needs to do this? What is happening? With him also it was

wind down sort of thing from frazzled nerves, over stimulization.

I tought him to continue but hand flick. I have a very firm beleif

that every " stim " is a way to help the body heal. Unless it is

hurting him like slamming his head to a wall - which I still

continued to allow but I put an overstuffed pillow between hiim and

the wall. I beleive that every one of us is doing the best we can in

order to help our bodies. Why stop a stim because you are

uncomfortable with it? Show a way that is " acceptable " , but allow him

to have his ways to help heal.

...just my 2 cents worth.

Stacie

> > Can someone tell me what attributes to hand flapping? Logan

started

> > doing it A LOT today and this is new for him.

> >

> > thanks in advance,

> > Kaye

>

>

> Kaye,

>

> I don't recall exactly where I read this, but I am under the

> impression that hand flapping is an immune response. Mercury

creates

> an environment in the body which produces toxins. The immune

system

> directs the toxins away from vital organs to the best of its

> ability. The arms don't want the toxins either, the arms don't

feel

> right, hands flapping. The same is true with pacing stims.

> Extremities are trying to deal with toxins, trying to get rid of

them.

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/4/01 3:08:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

stacieleigh22920@... writes:

>

> I tought him to continue but hand flick. I have a very firm beleif

> that every " stim " is a way to help the body heal. Unless it is

> hurting him like slamming his head to a wall - which I still

> continued to allow but I put an overstuffed pillow between hiim and

> the wall. I beleive that every one of us is doing the best we can in

> order to help our bodies. Why stop a stim because you are

> uncomfortable with it? Show a way that is " acceptable " , but allow him

>

sorry, but i totally disagree, why to stop the stim if " I " am uncomfortable

with it " . What I want my autistic son to do is blend into society. One day,

I would like for him to get a job. The hand flapping, and hand flicking is

not appropriate behavior in public, and if you can some how try to decrease

this behavior then why not. We all have some kind of stims, or habits, but

we do not always do them in public, or at least we shouldn't.

some of our kids can't help these stims, and I don't think any less of them,

being a parent of an autistic child. But when he does come up with one kind

of stim or another, the school and I try to use a behavioral approach to

decrease this behavior.

ac

just my 2 cents worth

[Guest guest]

Dear ac;

You seemed to be a tad upset that I chose not to stop my

son's flapping type behaviors . Oh well! Don't recall actually asking

for anyone's opinion on this matter. It was a simple statement of

fact and not offered up for general discussion, afterall.

Just as Stacie mentioned regarding this issue, I also told you that

this flapping or humming or whatever, is a result of

my child's nervousness or excitement that cannot be dealt with in

" typical " ways.

I PERSONALLY have no real problem with my son doing what he needs to

do to calm down and I believe that as flicking a straw between his

fingers accomodates him I have no issues with it and allow him to

continue. He appears to enjoy doing it as much as Carson did flicking

those pencils out of nervousness - which I did find endearing .

Perhaps people who don't like this outward mannerism displaying

nervousness are are more concerned with appearances than I. My

concerns are more with what keeps him whole and together

and I will only minimally correct him on things like that. Of course

you are entitled to not like what I said. That has been known to

occur once or twice !

Jeannie

<< ... how ny Carson used to do with a pencil. Everyone knew this

as ny's trademark fidgeting but no one cared as it was " cute " .I

am hoping my son's flapping will translate into something cute too

one day. It appears to be working with the straw in his hands. >>

You wrote:

I personally don't think it is cute for an adult to be flapping.

Sorry, I disagree, i think that you should try to correct this

behavior before it becomes a way of life for your child. As a parent

of an older child, 14, I

> know that the redirection does help.

> ac

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I beleive that every one of us is doing the best we can in

> order to help our bodies. Why stop a stim because you are

> uncomfortable with it?

There is a lot of truth to this. The kids are TRYING to do something.

They have what seems like a good reason to them to do it. A lot of

times it really does make sense if you can figure it out. And if you

CAN figure it out, sometimes you can figure out something else that

helps them as well as getting rid of the behavior you wish to

eliminate.

Andy

[Guest guest]

I know you just said that you were not asking for anyone's opinion, but I

just had to add my two cents...I AGREE WITH YOU 100%!!! Amen!

-Phyllis

[ ] Re: Hand Flapping

> Dear ac;

> You seemed to be a tad upset that I chose not to stop my

> son's flapping type behaviors . Oh well! Don't recall actually asking

> for anyone's opinion on this matter. It was a simple statement of

> fact and not offered up for general discussion, afterall.

> Just as Stacie mentioned regarding this issue, I also told you that

> this flapping or humming or whatever, is a result of

> my child's nervousness or excitement that cannot be dealt with in

> " typical " ways.

> I PERSONALLY have no real problem with my son doing what he needs to

> do to calm down and I believe that as flicking a straw between his

> fingers accomodates him I have no issues with it and allow him to

> continue. He appears to enjoy doing it as much as Carson did flicking

> those pencils out of nervousness - which I did find endearing .

> Perhaps people who don't like this outward mannerism displaying

> nervousness are are more concerned with appearances than I. My

> concerns are more with what keeps him whole and together

> and I will only minimally correct him on things like that. Of course

> you are entitled to not like what I said. That has been known to

> occur once or twice !

> Jeannie

>

>

> << ... how ny Carson used to do with a pencil. Everyone knew this

> as ny's trademark fidgeting but no one cared as it was " cute " .I

> am hoping my son's flapping will translate into something cute too

> one day. It appears to be working with the straw in his hands. >>

>

> You wrote:

> I personally don't think it is cute for an adult to be flapping.

> Sorry, I disagree, i think that you should try to correct this

> behavior before it becomes a way of life for your child. As a parent

> of an older child, 14, I

> > know that the redirection does help.

> > ac

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> I personally don't think it is cute for an adult to be flapping.

Sorry, I

> disagree, i think that you should try to correct this behavior

before it

> becomes a way of life for your child. As a parent of an older

child, 14, I

> know that the redirection does help.

> ac

The hand flapping seems to have replaced Logan's slamming, so I'm

happy about it now. He has been getting in trouble for smacking

things for a while because he has actually broken 2 VCR's this way,

so I like to think he has discovered (on his own) that flapping is a

more acceptable, and less distructive, form of stimming. And when I

see an older child or an adult hand flapping I know that it serves a

very important purpose. I don't feel it needs to be corrected because

some people who aren't educated about the behavior and don't

understand it might think ill of the person doing it. In a perfect

world we would all be more concerned with making our children happy

and content than worrying what others think.

Kaye

[Guest guest]

Why stop a stim because you are

> uncomfortable with it? Show a way that is " acceptable " , but allow

him

> to have his ways to help heal.

>

> ..just my 2 cents worth.

>

> Stacie

Stacie,

I appreciate your insite. I think I was misunderstood, though. My

concern about the new stim wasn't because I am embarresed by it, or

want to stop it. I was worried it might be caused by a dificiency of

some sort that Logan might be needing. I'm quite paranoid about his

health these days.

Since that original post, I have noticed that Logan has replaced his

destructive stim of hand slamming everything (very hard I might add)

with this new and much healthier hand flapping stim. I'm actually

very pleased with it now that I see what he has done ON HIS OWN.

You'll probably see the post I just made before reading this one

about not caring what others think. I'm a very firm believer in

making your child happy instead of worrying what others may think. I

see the looks we get, and feel pity for the ignorance others have,

not shame or embarresment for myself or my child.

sincerely,

Kaye

[Guest guest]

Another twist...Many years (1986ish) ago I worked with a teen w/ autism who had

lived in an institution most of her life. There they had tied her hands down to

keep her from stimming (she would tap her fingertips together as if clapping).

We looked at her stimming in another way and would fingertap with her facing her

and looking through both sets of fingertapping hands encouraging eye contact.

Sometimes we would pass one of our hands between hers as she tapped, not to stop

her but to provide a different effect. When we needed to assist others we had

plush stuffed animals with velcro hands which we would put around one wrist so

that each time she tapped the stuffed animal would tickle her other arm. She

appeared to enjoy both these activities as evidenced by laughter and increased

eye contact. She functioned as a low level as one might surmise but we looked

at the stim and said how can we enhance this to provide different experiences.

S

On Thu, 02 August 2001, Msdai54513@... wrote:

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> from my experience, and my son is 14, the handflapping comes and goes. Just

<BR>

> like another stims. & nbsp; I just like to get the inappropriate behavior right

<BR>

> away, before it becomes a frequent stim. & nbsp; I would just put his hand down,

and <BR>

> say nothing. Or say hands quiet. and try to divert his attention. & nbsp; I

think <BR>

> this is the same kind of thing as the toe walking, and for those of you that

<BR>

> have little ones that do that, seems to be a classical thing that they all

<BR>

> do, or did, what we did is just push down on his shoulders each time he did

<BR>

> that, and he did not do that anymore.<BR>

> hope that this helps.<BR>

> <BR>

> ac<BR>

> </tt>

>

>

> <br>

> <tt>

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>

[Guest guest]

Dear ac;

You wrote:

<< .......What I want my autistic son to do is blend into society.

One day, I would like for him to get a job. The hand flapping, and

hand flicking is not appropriate behavior in public, and if you can

some how try to decrease this behavior then why not.>>

Altering a bad behavior is okay and quite acceptable if the behavior

is destructive to the child or to property in some way. I think what

everyone else is saying here is that their children are not quite

ready to start work at Barney yet so until that day arrives

allowing him or her to cope with all the miriad of challenges and

changes he or she is having to manage, a few flaps here and there is

of minimal consequence.

You continued:

<<We all have some kind of stims, or habits, but we do not always do

them in public, or at least we shouldn't. some of our kids can't help

these stims, and I don't think any less of them, being a parent of an

autistic child. But when he does come up with one kind of stim or

another, the school and I try to use a behavioral approach to

decrease this behavior.>>

And very true. We all do something stimmy.

I used to twirl the sides of my hair as a child. My friend Debbie

would do the same but would twirl the hair on the top of her head.

She is now a Ph.D. Microbiologist .My friend Elspeth ( an MD )would

chew on her fingernails until there was nothing left. And I believe

Bill Gates rocks when he is nervous or excited - don't hear much

about how these inappropriate behaviors have held any of these folks

back from succeeding at their chosen profession. Perhaps all this

fuss is much ado abbout nothing. But it appears to certainly be

something that if you feel as strongly about as you seem to do, that

your child will have to contend with, as that is your parenting

style. It appears not to bother Stacie or Kaye or myself as

much. Just a preference I guess.

Jeannie

ac

just my 2 cents worth

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/4/01 1:36:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

buzzlightyearspacecommander@... writes:

>

> And very true. We all do something stimmy.

> I used to twirl the sides of my hair as a child. My friend Debbie

> would do the same but would twirl the hair on the top of her head.

> She is now a Ph.D. Microbiologist .My friend Elspeth ( an MD )would

> chew on her fingernails until there was nothing left. And I believe

> Bill Gates rocks when he is nervous or excited - don't hear much

> about how these inappropriate behaviors have held any of

>

I am sure that their habits are not done in public.

Well I knew I was going to get slack from the list, my apologies to all that

got so upset. I was just speaking from some experience that I have had with

my own son. I know a lot of parents on the list have younger children, and I

just wanted to speak from my experience, this may not work for you, but what

I was trying to say that it helped for my son. My son has had so many

different " stims " or whatever you want to call it. He use to spit on any

black objects, like a bumper of a car, blackboards, blacktop, and he would

swirl the the salvia, it drove us nuts. But with us on top of him he

eventually stopped, and then came up with a new thing.

So my apologies to anyone that got offended, I was only trying to help.

ac

[Guest guest]

Could you please share the " Alert Program " with us? Where did you hear of

it ?

Thanks.

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<<Marisol said, in part: >>

> I have found " The Alert Program

>for Sensory Regulation " helpful in this regard. It helps kids to learn

>to identify their sensory needs so that they have easy strategies for

>how to meet them.

Hi Marisol,

This sounds interesting. Is there a book about it? I did a web

search and didn't find much. There is a site

http://www.kidzplay.org/page388278.htm

where they offere classes for kids about it---

I also found another site that had a link to where to buy the

program materials, but the link went to " 404 file not found " error.

I guess I should join the list for sensory issues, but I just

don't think I can cope with any more mail.

thanks,

Moria

[Guest guest]

<<Well I knew I was going to get slack from the list, my apologies to

all that got so upset........

So my apologies to anyone that got offended, I was only trying to

help.>>

ac

AC, I don't think apologies are necessary . We just disagreed .

<<I am sure that their habits are not done in public.>>

Well, actually, AC we all did do all those self stimmy things in

public ---- much to our parents chagrin. We twirled hair in class, at

church, in country clubs or at parties .... That's what reminded me

of my son and his behavior with the straw flipping around his fingers

like a baton !

If your son was spitting on people or on things that indeed is quite

different . Had my child done a lot of that I too would have

redirected him mucho pronto. Thought you were talking about a simple

hand flap or humming! Does he have Tourettes as a dx too ?

Jeannie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/6/01 8:20:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

buzzlightyearspacecommander@... writes:

> !

>

> If your son was spitting on people or on things that indeed is quite

> different . Had my child done a lot of that I too would have

> redirected him mucho pronto. Thought you were talking about a simple

> hand flap or humming! Does he have Tourettes as a dx too ?

> Jeannie

>

> no tourettes, but just comes up with some really odd stims, but the seem to

> come and go, and each time I always say this is the worst yet. It is

> amazing what my son can come with.

ac

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is a very incorrect behavior. It is decreased or stopped w/OT, SI,

behavior mod and parent training on IEPs. msherrett.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, !

Thats encouraging to hear. Its puzzling to me because my son is making

amazing gains in his speech, but his door obsession and running is really up

lately, too. What you said makes sense, then. We'll hang in there and I'll

hope doesn't take off into the sky like a little bird anytime soon

Becky

Hand Flapping

> Several posts lately have questioned why hand/arm flapping when excited

has not improved for some kids, despite improvements in other areas.

>

> Next time you see a typically developing child (6 months to a year or so),

pay attention to what they are doing with their hands and arms when they get

excited. I've been noticing (on my daughter and several other kids) that

they do much the same thing. This is just what kids do when they have

immature nervous systems and they're learning how to use their bodies.

>

> As my son improves physically, this symptom has almost disappeared. At

some times it is completely gone, but then it will reappear for a time --

usually as he is about to go through a developmental gain. As Dr. Goldberg

once said, " odd/weird " behaviors frequently are a sign that the brain is

" turning on " in a particular area. It makes sense. As typically developing

kids gain skills in an area, the skills aren't perfect initially.

>

> BG

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- In , " momknewbest " <rmryan@s...>

wrote:

> Hello all,

> For a short while now (2 weeks? maybe more? we've been away), our

> son's habit of flapping his right hand has re-emerged.

Something happened about 2 weeks ago. He might have had a supplement

added, removed, increased, or decreased [or he might not need one any

more but you are still giving it]. He might have developed a yeast or

bacteria issue. He might have started school or been moved to a

different classroom or a new teacher who uses perfume.

Try to figure out what might be new first, then consider things that

might not be new but might need to be removed.

> I've even noted some finger gazing, which we haven't seen in a

l-o-o-

> o-n-n-g-g time. Finger play was one of his mainstays for many

> years. It disappeared about a year ago, so I am particularly

> disheartened to see it re-emerge. Also, loads of self-chat.

This is yeast, food or supplement intolerance, or not enough vitamin A

for my son.

> I increased his Vit. A this week, in hopes of decreasing some of the

> weird eye movements of late (yes, it helped in this regard, also in

> mood(?!)

Yep, vitamin A helps my son with visual issues, behaviors, mood, and

language.

> He is on the recommended doses of A, B-complex, C, E, Omega3-6,

> CoQ10. Plus CitraminII, and Houston Enzymes. He has done well on

> all for a long time. The only recent changes have been: Omegas,

from

> NOW 3-6-9 blend to ProOmega 3-6;

My son will only tolerate an EFA for about a week, then he will start

having problems with it.

>> and completed 4th round of ALA about

> 3 weeks ago. Both changes occurred at the same time.

This would indicate either a possible yeast issue, or copper

increasing. I don't see a zinc supplement in your list above.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

:

Are you saying that Biotin is good or not to take it? Sorry if this is a stupid

questions?

Jeanne

Owens <lwo@...> wrote:

,

I had a question for you about the finger gazing and maybe the flapping,

but it was precipitated today because I had a visual aura-styled migraine

which I might have brought upon myself by taking too mach pantothenic acid

for my own good!

This dropout of vision began this morning while I was reading, and at

first, it was a bit subtle, but some letters just lost their impact, but

they were still there, but just harder to read, so I think the areas

affected were quite smaller than the size of a letter. Gradually, I had

much bigger pieces of my vision drop out, more like the size of a pencil,

with some movement. I've heard some people describe flashing lights, but

mine rarely have such glitz.

I suppose it was from discussions of biotin that I was thinking about how

some people with autism get migraines and my aura headaches create a lot of

visual disturbance, but hardly any pain worth noticing. (On the other hand,

my non-aura headaches which I do get regularly are so painful, that

head-banging might seem to a child like a reasonable way to lessen the

pain....)

Anway, , I was wondering if there was any chance the finger play or

hand stimming might be a way to look at the migraine aura in a special

way. For instance, if you moved your hand across the area where some

vision had dropped out it might be interesting to see your finger disappear

and then reappear. These episodes for me last fifteen or twenty minutes at

most, and then may not come back for a long, long time (years, sometimes).

Another thing that made me think of this was that I know a lady with

schizophrenia who says the medication her doctors put her on make " spots "

in her field of vision. I have never quite understood her explanation of

what that really looks like to her. It is so annoying to her that she

usually does not stay on her medication once she is out of the

hospital. She has described the same phenomenon with ten years at least

intervening, so I think it really must be a real change, and the same

change. By the way, the medication she was put on recently (valproic acid)

really does depress biotin!

Anyway, think about this while you watch your son and see if he might be

fascinated with the interplay of something like a visual aura (which he

cannot control) mixed with the movement which he can control....

And parents, among yourselves, why don't you compare any medications your

children are on with whether or not they begin to have these strange

behaviors. I would include ALA in that list, as it is known to depress

biotin just like some antipsychotics. Also, apparently certain fatty acids

can have effects on the biotin chemistry...MCT's particularly.

(thinking of these sorts of things since long ago when I heard Dr.

Wakefield say that the kids who were cleaned out at the Royal Free often

stopped toe-walking...so that maybe the toe walking was a posture that kept

the pain down, and it was deemed a " behavior " ...)

At 01:44 AM 9/8/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>Hello all,

>For a short while now (2 weeks? maybe more? we've been away), our

>son's habit of flapping his right hand has re-emerged. He will flap

>with any excuse. And it is to the point of really standing out.

>I've even noted some finger gazing, which we haven't seen in a l-o-o-

>o-n-n-g-g time. Finger play was one of his mainstays for many

>years. It disappeared about a year ago, so I am particularly

>disheartened to see it re-emerge. Also, loads of self-chat.

>I increased his Vit. A this week, in hopes of decreasing some of the

>weird eye movements of late (yes, it helped in this regard, also in

>mood(?!) which was very surprising but nice). Also, note that finger

>gazing is distinct from weird eye movements.

>He is on the recommended doses of A, B-complex, C, E, Omega3-6,

>CoQ10. Plus CitraminII, and Houston Enzymes. He has done well on

>all for a long time. The only recent changes have been: Omegas, from

>NOW 3-6-9 blend to ProOmega 3-6; and completed 4th round of ALA about

>3 weeks ago. Both changes occurred at the same time.

>Any ideas?

>Many thanks,

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