Re: legumes as goitrogens?

[Guest guest]

Hey --

I'm sure someone else will respond, but I have that reaction to

everything soy-based now. Usually, hypos can handle soy lecithin

and soy oil, but I've somehow developed a real allergy to them.

That means I can never again (as far as I know) have fast food,

anything cooked in vegetable oil or margarine, and all junk food,

because they contain soy. When I eat soy, I get woozy and

immediately have to go to sleep. I haven't had fast food or

frozen food for four months, and it's not like either of those things

were a mainstay of my diet, but I have to have everything cooked from

scratch.

Maybe your beans also contained soy oil? I don't

know.

I love beans very much, but lately I've been put on a low

glycemic diet, a la the Broda approach. I won't be eating

beans, or my other favorite, bananas, any time soon.

Hope someone else gives you a clearer answer. Very sorry to

hear about your food allergies.

Best wishes--

Courtenay.

i got the results of my food

allergies and

intolerances test back, and it's a doozy. i'm

allergic to all dairy and to eggs. as a result, i'm

exploring alternate protein sources. beans of course

are high on the list. they also provide a lot of

other good stuff.

however, i have seen them on some goitrogen lists (but

not on others). yesterday i had a 3 bean (kidney,

garbanzo and green bean) salad with chicken for lunch.

probably had two cups total of beans, about a third

of each. with an hour, i was so deeply fatigued, i

had to leave work early. could that have been the

goitrogenic effect? i thought it wouldn't be too bad,

given that i used canned beans (cooked to death, in

other words). i was shocked by the strength of the

result.

has anyone else had a similar experience?

rachel.

[Guest guest]

That's exactly how I felt with a lot of different foods before I got

on a decent dose of Armour. Now things are better but I still have

to watch what I eat. No more frozen foods and very little processed

stuff. Fast food sometimes, but I'm very careful. If I stick with

whole foods I feel much better.

>

> > When I eat soy, I get woozy and

> > immediately have to go

> > to sleep.

>

> that's exactly how i felt. it was awful.

>

>

> > I haven't had fast food or frozen food

> > for four months,

> > and it's not like either of those things were a

> > mainstay of my diet,

> > but I have to have everything cooked from scratch.

>

[Guest guest]

That's exactly how I felt with a lot of different foods before I got

on a decent dose of Armour. Now things are better but I still have

to watch what I eat. No more frozen foods and very little processed

stuff. Fast food sometimes, but I'm very careful. If I stick with

whole foods I feel much better.

>

> > When I eat soy, I get woozy and

> > immediately have to go

> > to sleep.

>

> that's exactly how i felt. it was awful.

>

>

> > I haven't had fast food or frozen food

> > for four months,

> > and it's not like either of those things were a

> > mainstay of my diet,

> > but I have to have everything cooked from scratch.

>

[Guest guest]

I feel like a food eunuch sometimes with all of the stuff I am

trying to avoid. It's especially apparent when I get around my

mother and stepfather, who life across the street from me, because

they eat a lot of processed food and fast food. They're always

politely offering me things I can't eat. I know my stepfather

thinks I'm a health food fascist in the first place, and all of my new

weirdnesses have made him even more wary of me.

Best--

Courtenay.

That's exactly how I felt with a lot

of different foods before I got

on a decent dose of Armour. Now things are better but I still

have

to watch what I eat. No more frozen foods and very little

processed

stuff. Fast food sometimes, but I'm very careful. If I

stick with

whole foods I feel much better.

[Guest guest]

I feel like a food eunuch sometimes with all of the stuff I am

trying to avoid. It's especially apparent when I get around my

mother and stepfather, who life across the street from me, because

they eat a lot of processed food and fast food. They're always

politely offering me things I can't eat. I know my stepfather

thinks I'm a health food fascist in the first place, and all of my new

weirdnesses have made him even more wary of me.

Best--

Courtenay.

That's exactly how I felt with a lot

of different foods before I got

on a decent dose of Armour. Now things are better but I still

have

to watch what I eat. No more frozen foods and very little

processed

stuff. Fast food sometimes, but I'm very careful. If I

stick with

whole foods I feel much better.

[Guest guest]

When we went on vacation in October, some of my family members didn't

understand either. My sister really wanted to go to a Chinese buffet

for lunch one day. Well, you can imagine almost everything there was

breaded and had soy and preservatives and who knows how many

chemicals? After we ate and I felt dizzy and tired and horrible,

then she understood. Everybody has to understand, each to his own,

right? If you were diabetic, your family would understand your need

for insulin. Well, with this disease, many of us need to be careful

what we eat. Eh?

~ (I'm not getting much work done today, I'd better get with it!)

> I feel like a food eunuch sometimes with all of the stuff I am

trying

> to avoid. It's especially apparent when I get around my mother and

> stepfather, who life across the street from me, because they eat a

> lot of processed food and fast food. They're always politely

> offering me things I can't eat. I know my stepfather thinks I'm a

> health food fascist in the first place, and all of my new

weirdnesses

> have made him even more wary of me.

>

> Best--

>

> Courtenay.

>

>

>

>

> >That's exactly how I felt with a lot of different foods before I

got

> >on a decent dose of Armour. Now things are better but I still have

> >to watch what I eat. No more frozen foods and very little

processed

> >stuff. Fast food sometimes, but I'm very careful. If I stick with

> >whole foods I feel much better.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

When we went on vacation in October, some of my family members didn't

understand either. My sister really wanted to go to a Chinese buffet

for lunch one day. Well, you can imagine almost everything there was

breaded and had soy and preservatives and who knows how many

chemicals? After we ate and I felt dizzy and tired and horrible,

then she understood. Everybody has to understand, each to his own,

right? If you were diabetic, your family would understand your need

for insulin. Well, with this disease, many of us need to be careful

what we eat. Eh?

~ (I'm not getting much work done today, I'd better get with it!)

> I feel like a food eunuch sometimes with all of the stuff I am

trying

> to avoid. It's especially apparent when I get around my mother and

> stepfather, who life across the street from me, because they eat a

> lot of processed food and fast food. They're always politely

> offering me things I can't eat. I know my stepfather thinks I'm a

> health food fascist in the first place, and all of my new

weirdnesses

> have made him even more wary of me.

>

> Best--

>

> Courtenay.

>

>

>

>

> >That's exactly how I felt with a lot of different foods before I

got

> >on a decent dose of Armour. Now things are better but I still have

> >to watch what I eat. No more frozen foods and very little

processed

> >stuff. Fast food sometimes, but I'm very careful. If I stick with

> >whole foods I feel much better.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

And you will feel MUCH better!

)

>

> one thing makes my food issues easier to embrace, and

> that is that these issues will force me to eat more

> whole, unrefined foods. and that's a good thing.

>

> rachel.

>

[Guest guest]

And you will feel MUCH better!

)

>

> one thing makes my food issues easier to embrace, and

> that is that these issues will force me to eat more

> whole, unrefined foods. and that's a good thing.

>

> rachel.

>

[Guest guest]

I've become so weird about what I eat that I REFUSE to eat at

places that make me sick. If that had been me in your situation,

I would have stayed at the hotel/motel/hostel, order in some chicken

and steamed vegetables, and gone down to the gift shop for a copy of

Cosmo.

I'm glad they understand now. The story sounds about as bad

as the time my mother guilted me into going to a wedding, and I almost

passed out during the ceremony. Since then, I don't take

anybody's **** when it comes to doing something I know I shouldn't, or

plain can't.

And that reminds me of something else. When people call me

who haven't been in touch since I got sick, they don't really think

it's odd that I cannot work. It only registers that I am really

sick when I tell them that I had to stop driving my car. How's

that for odd? It's like they think I'm taking some sort of

vacation here until they realize I'm not mobile, and there are days

that I'm too weak to wash my own hair.

Grrrrrr.

Courtenay.

When we went on vacation in October,

some of my family members didn't

understand either. My sister really wanted to go to a Chinese

buffet

for lunch one day. Well, you can imagine almost everything there

was

breaded and had soy and preservatives and who knows how many

chemicals? After we ate and I felt dizzy and tired and

horrible,

then she understood. Everybody has to understand, each to his

own,

right? If you were diabetic, your family would understand your

need

for insulin. Well, with this disease, many of us need to be

careful

what we eat. Eh?

~ (I'm not getting much work

done today, I'd better get with it!)

[Guest guest]

I've become so weird about what I eat that I REFUSE to eat at

places that make me sick. If that had been me in your situation,

I would have stayed at the hotel/motel/hostel, order in some chicken

and steamed vegetables, and gone down to the gift shop for a copy of

Cosmo.

I'm glad they understand now. The story sounds about as bad

as the time my mother guilted me into going to a wedding, and I almost

passed out during the ceremony. Since then, I don't take

anybody's **** when it comes to doing something I know I shouldn't, or

plain can't.

And that reminds me of something else. When people call me

who haven't been in touch since I got sick, they don't really think

it's odd that I cannot work. It only registers that I am really

sick when I tell them that I had to stop driving my car. How's

that for odd? It's like they think I'm taking some sort of

vacation here until they realize I'm not mobile, and there are days

that I'm too weak to wash my own hair.

Grrrrrr.

Courtenay.

When we went on vacation in October,

some of my family members didn't

understand either. My sister really wanted to go to a Chinese

buffet

for lunch one day. Well, you can imagine almost everything there

was

breaded and had soy and preservatives and who knows how many

chemicals? After we ate and I felt dizzy and tired and

horrible,

then she understood. Everybody has to understand, each to his

own,

right? If you were diabetic, your family would understand your

need

for insulin. Well, with this disease, many of us need to be

careful

what we eat. Eh?

~ (I'm not getting much work

done today, I'd better get with it!)

[Guest guest]

Noone can say what that was for sure, unless you have a glucose tolerance

test to see if maybe you are hypoglycemic, for instance. Then there are

ingredients in canned foods besides the foods themselves. This is the risk

I take every single time I open up a can because there are myriads of other

things in there for a food allergy sufferer. You're going to have to figure

out every little thing in the can or else you'll have to start cooking the

food, since we know what's in there. There are several possibilities there.

legumes as goitrogens?

>

> i got the results of my food allergies and

> intolerances test back, and it's a doozy. i'm

> allergic to all dairy and to eggs. as a result, i'm

> exploring alternate protein sources. beans of course

> are high on the list. they also provide a lot of

> other good stuff.

>

> however, i have seen them on some goitrogen lists (but

> not on others). yesterday i had a 3 bean (kidney,

> garbanzo and green bean) salad with chicken for lunch.

> probably had two cups total of beans, about a third

> of each. with an hour, i was so deeply fatigued, i

> had to leave work early. could that have been the

> goitrogenic effect? i thought it wouldn't be too bad,

> given that i used canned beans (cooked to death, in

> other words). i was shocked by the strength of the

> result.

>

> has anyone else had a similar experience?

>

>

> rachel.

[Guest guest]

Casein is a derivative of milk. What is wrong with that, if one is not allergic to dairy? And even then, most of the time it has to be by the digestive tract to be sensitive to it. I use coffee creamers, which all have casein, but, of course, it's not good for us because of the corn syrups solids and some have soy.

Re: legumes as goitrogens?

Hey --

I looked for a GI list last night, and couldn't find one either. If you email me privately, I will give you the Broda list-- courtenaymartin@.... Don't want to make the copyright gods angry. You might want to check out the Glycemic Index Diet for a comprehensive list of all GI foods, which you can find at your local library.

But, I did find something interesting on casein in my Dictionary of Food Additives. It seems that casein is often used in shampoos and cosmetics. You may have to ask for an ingredients list before you buy make-up, or consider committing to vegan or cruelty-free make-up.

Best wishes--

Courtenay.

[Guest guest]

Something else occurred to me last night-- the chicken that you

ate, was it fresh or frozen? Often, frozen prepared meats can

contain soy protein as an additive, and that COULD make you

sleepy.

Best--

Courtenay.

Noone can say what that was for sure,

unless you have a glucose tolerance

test to see if maybe you are hypoglycemic, for instance. Then

there are

ingredients in canned foods besides the foods themselves. This

is the risk

I take every single time I open up a can because there are myriads of

other

things in there for a food allergy sufferer. You're going to

have to figure

out every little thing in the can or else you'll have to start cooking

the

food, since we know what's in there. There are several

possibilities there.

legumes as goitrogens?

>

> i got the results of my food allergies and

> intolerances test back, and it's a doozy. i'm

> allergic to all dairy and to eggs. as a result, i'm

> exploring alternate protein sources. beans of course

> are high on the list. they also provide a lot of

> other good stuff.

>

> however, i have seen them on some goitrogen lists (but

> not on others). yesterday i had a 3 bean (kidney,

> garbanzo and green bean) salad with chicken for lunch.

> probably had two cups total of beans, about a third

> of each. with an hour, i was so deeply fatigued, i

> had to leave work early. could that have been the

> goitrogenic effect? i thought it wouldn't be too bad,

> given that i used canned beans (cooked to death, in

> other words). i was shocked by the strength of the

> result.

>

> has anyone else had a similar experience?

>

>

> rachel.

[Guest guest]

Something else occurred to me last night-- the chicken that you

ate, was it fresh or frozen? Often, frozen prepared meats can

contain soy protein as an additive, and that COULD make you

sleepy.

Best--

Courtenay.

Noone can say what that was for sure,

unless you have a glucose tolerance

test to see if maybe you are hypoglycemic, for instance. Then

there are

ingredients in canned foods besides the foods themselves. This

is the risk

I take every single time I open up a can because there are myriads of

other

things in there for a food allergy sufferer. You're going to

have to figure

out every little thing in the can or else you'll have to start cooking

the

food, since we know what's in there. There are several

possibilities there.

legumes as goitrogens?

>

> i got the results of my food allergies and

> intolerances test back, and it's a doozy. i'm

> allergic to all dairy and to eggs. as a result, i'm

> exploring alternate protein sources. beans of course

> are high on the list. they also provide a lot of

> other good stuff.

>

> however, i have seen them on some goitrogen lists (but

> not on others). yesterday i had a 3 bean (kidney,

> garbanzo and green bean) salad with chicken for lunch.

> probably had two cups total of beans, about a third

> of each. with an hour, i was so deeply fatigued, i

> had to leave work early. could that have been the

> goitrogenic effect? i thought it wouldn't be too bad,

> given that i used canned beans (cooked to death, in

> other words). i was shocked by the strength of the

> result.

>

> has anyone else had a similar experience?

>

>

> rachel.

[Guest guest]

Something else occurred to me last night-- the chicken that you

ate, was it fresh or frozen? Often, frozen prepared meats can

contain soy protein as an additive, and that COULD make you

sleepy.

Best--

Courtenay.

Noone can say what that was for sure,

unless you have a glucose tolerance

test to see if maybe you are hypoglycemic, for instance. Then

there are

ingredients in canned foods besides the foods themselves. This

is the risk

I take every single time I open up a can because there are myriads of

other

things in there for a food allergy sufferer. You're going to

have to figure

out every little thing in the can or else you'll have to start cooking

the

food, since we know what's in there. There are several

possibilities there.

legumes as goitrogens?

>

> i got the results of my food allergies and

> intolerances test back, and it's a doozy. i'm

> allergic to all dairy and to eggs. as a result, i'm

> exploring alternate protein sources. beans of course

> are high on the list. they also provide a lot of

> other good stuff.

>

> however, i have seen them on some goitrogen lists (but

> not on others). yesterday i had a 3 bean (kidney,

> garbanzo and green bean) salad with chicken for lunch.

> probably had two cups total of beans, about a third

> of each. with an hour, i was so deeply fatigued, i

> had to leave work early. could that have been the

> goitrogenic effect? i thought it wouldn't be too bad,

> given that i used canned beans (cooked to death, in

> other words). i was shocked by the strength of the

> result.

>

> has anyone else had a similar experience?

>

>

> rachel.

[Guest guest]

mentioned she has a dairy allergy, and a casein allergy.

That's why I brought it up.

Courtenay.

Casein is a

derivative of milk. What is wrong with that, if one is not

allergic to dairy? And even then, most of the time it has to be

by the digestive tract to be sensitive to it. I use coffee

creamers, which all have casein, but, of course, it's not good for us

because of the corn syrups solids and some have

soy.

[Guest guest]

Ok, that's why then, since it originates from milk. I got somewhere in the middle of the conversation, scuse me, lol.

Re: legumes as goitrogens?

mentioned she has a dairy allergy, and a casein allergy. That's why I brought it up.

Courtenay.

[Guest guest]

Ok, that's why then, since it originates from milk. I got somewhere in the middle of the conversation, scuse me, lol.

Re: legumes as goitrogens?

mentioned she has a dairy allergy, and a casein allergy. That's why I brought it up.

Courtenay.

[Guest guest]

Most canned meats contain soy oil, AKA vegetable oil. I

also mentioned to you that most people have reactions to soy protein,

not the oil, right? Unless you're allergic to it, which you

aren't, right?

Best--

Courtenay.

actually, it was canned, and the same though occured

to me. the label doesn't say soy, but i'm concerned

that it might be in the broth anyway...

i'm going to experiment this weekend and eat a smaller

quantity of the bean salad (without the chicken) and

see what happens. i'll also try the chicken and see

what it does.

i have a feeling that food is going to be one big

experiment for me for a while. and i'm trying to be

positive about it!

rachel.

[Guest guest]

No problem. I've done that several times.

Best--

Courtenay.

Ok, that's

why then, since it originates from milk. I got somewhere in the

middle of the conversation, scuse me, lol.

[Guest guest]

Grrrrrrr is right! I don't think people can really understand

unless they can walk in your shoes. And of course they can't do

that ...

>

> And that reminds me of something else. When people call me who

> haven't been in touch since I got sick, they don't really think

it's

> odd that I cannot work. It only registers that I am really sick

when

> I tell them that I had to stop driving my car. How's that for

odd?

> It's like they think I'm taking some sort of vacation here until

they

> realize I'm not mobile, and there are days that I'm too weak to

wash

> my own hair.

>

> Grrrrrr.

>

> Courtenay.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Grrrrrrr is right! I don't think people can really understand

unless they can walk in your shoes. And of course they can't do

that ...

>

> And that reminds me of something else. When people call me who

> haven't been in touch since I got sick, they don't really think

it's

> odd that I cannot work. It only registers that I am really sick

when

> I tell them that I had to stop driving my car. How's that for

odd?

> It's like they think I'm taking some sort of vacation here until

they

> realize I'm not mobile, and there are days that I'm too weak to

wash

> my own hair.

>

> Grrrrrr.

>

> Courtenay.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Grrrrrrr is right! I don't think people can really understand

unless they can walk in your shoes. And of course they can't do

that ...

>

> And that reminds me of something else. When people call me who

> haven't been in touch since I got sick, they don't really think

it's

> odd that I cannot work. It only registers that I am really sick

when

> I tell them that I had to stop driving my car. How's that for

odd?

> It's like they think I'm taking some sort of vacation here until

they

> realize I'm not mobile, and there are days that I'm too weak to

wash

> my own hair.

>

> Grrrrrr.

>

> Courtenay.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Corn syrups solids are bad now? Didn't someone say Armour has corn

syrup or some such thing?

(I don't use the coffee creamers anymore, or refiend sugar --

natural sugar and milk in my coffee)~

> Re: legumes as goitrogens?Casein is a

derivative of milk. What is wrong with that, if one is not allergic

to dairy? And even then, most of the time it has to be by the

digestive tract to be sensitive to it. I use coffee creamers, which

all have casein, but, of course, it's not good for us because of the

corn syrups solids and some have soy.

>