Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Went to a most amazing eco conference last night - one of the speakers, a dynamic permaculture teacher, spoke about how today's emphasis on independence is being way overrated - and absured - of course we need each other - doesn't mean at all that we always have to be in agreement - actually I'm only beginning to learn now that being supportive doesn't mean I agree - it means I can listen and respect the other - and you know what? that's even harder to do than just agree, but it's so much deeper we've lived in a black and white world too long time for more colors - a Great Life to you all KlaraDottie Roseboom wrote:  , Thank you for saying what I felt, but could not verbalize. I really appreciate everyone in this group and have learned so much. My gratitude to Simon for helping me to understand the freedom in Macrobiotics. And Em's posts have made me more aware of how our lifestyles affect others. Perhaps we all need each other :-) My thoughts & blessings to all who make this forum the wonderful place that it is. And is Spring just around the corner? Dottie R Illinois, USA, where we have 5" of snow & 5 degrees wind chill Re: dairy food>>Please forgive me if I do not write this as graciously as I >would wish to. I write from a place of reverence for all of >life - for all creatures - all beings. If that comes across as >judgemental I am sorry - I have long held convictions of the>heart that I choose to share on this list. A list that was>created as a forum advocating vegan macrobiotics. When finding>this list I was so very pleased - I thought I had finally>found a kindred group of people to communicate with regarding>diet/health/recipes/support -only to realize that might not >be the case.>>Thank you Simon for sharing a history of macrobiotics I have >been unaware of. I have been in 'discussion' with Bruce off >the list for much of the morning regarding the use of dairy. >>[in addition to other online conversations this morning that >may be of more immediate concern ie the pending war in Iran >and escalation of war in Iraq.]>>I intend to find a lovely article We Are One written by >Michio Kushi fairly recently found in a magazine that is >clearly offering a more vegan approach to macrobiotics than >I remember from years ago when I first chose to follow >certain aspects of macrobiotics for myself and my son.>I will find the article - either online - or find the copy I>have stored away - in order to post it here on this list.>>Simon perhaps you did not read one of my initial posts to this >list where I write of being indebted to Michio Kushi for an >article I found explaining that cows milk was meant for baby>cows - and difficult for some people to digest - contributing >to a number of common diseases and maladies. Had I listened to>doctors I would have had a hysterectomy - missing out on the >joy of motherhood entirely. Very grateful for finding the >article offering me another choice at that crucial time in my>life.>>I choose to advocate a vegan diet - as a compassionate, healthy>choice - respecting the life of all creatures. Has anyone seen>the book by Will Tuttle The World Peace Diet? I have been a>vegetarian perhaps 35 years now - would have done so earlier but>not allowed in my father's home. I value macrobiotic principles>but I have chosen a vegan approach to macrobiotics as I believe>in not harming animals, my own being or those I care for. To me>it is about LIFE, LOVE and CARE. I believe we have the>opportunity to share our knowledge of the principles of>macrobiotics and 'no harm' to those just finding their way after>'life at home' with parents who may not have had an>understanding of healthy living or healthy eating practices. >>I also want to acknowledge 's lovely website - with the>excellent information on grain milk for babies. Thank you for>offering new mothers such concise information that was not>available years ago when I was a young mother. Blessings, Em>>Let the beauty we love be what we do. Rumi>Let everything you do be done in love.> 1 Corinthians 16:14>'Love is the measure.' Dorothy Day>'Gather yourselves...All that we do now must >be done in a sacred manner.' Hopi Elders 2001>>> >__________________________________________________________>The fish are biting. >Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.>http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php Brown Waxmanwww.celebrate4health.comwww.bebabywise.cominfocelebrate4health Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Went to a most amazing eco conference last night - one of the speakers, a dynamic permaculture teacher, spoke about how today's emphasis on independence is being way overrated - and absured - of course we need each other - doesn't mean at all that we always have to be in agreement - actually I'm only beginning to learn now that being supportive doesn't mean I agree - it means I can listen and respect the other - and you know what? that's even harder to do than just agree, but it's so much deeper we've lived in a black and white world too long time for more colors - a Great Life to you all KlaraDottie Roseboom wrote:  , Thank you for saying what I felt, but could not verbalize. I really appreciate everyone in this group and have learned so much. My gratitude to Simon for helping me to understand the freedom in Macrobiotics. And Em's posts have made me more aware of how our lifestyles affect others. Perhaps we all need each other :-) My thoughts & blessings to all who make this forum the wonderful place that it is. And is Spring just around the corner? Dottie R Illinois, USA, where we have 5" of snow & 5 degrees wind chill Re: dairy food>>Please forgive me if I do not write this as graciously as I >would wish to. I write from a place of reverence for all of >life - for all creatures - all beings. If that comes across as >judgemental I am sorry - I have long held convictions of the>heart that I choose to share on this list. A list that was>created as a forum advocating vegan macrobiotics. When finding>this list I was so very pleased - I thought I had finally>found a kindred group of people to communicate with regarding>diet/health/recipes/support -only to realize that might not >be the case.>>Thank you Simon for sharing a history of macrobiotics I have >been unaware of. I have been in 'discussion' with Bruce off >the list for much of the morning regarding the use of dairy. >>[in addition to other online conversations this morning that >may be of more immediate concern ie the pending war in Iran >and escalation of war in Iraq.]>>I intend to find a lovely article We Are One written by >Michio Kushi fairly recently found in a magazine that is >clearly offering a more vegan approach to macrobiotics than >I remember from years ago when I first chose to follow >certain aspects of macrobiotics for myself and my son.>I will find the article - either online - or find the copy I>have stored away - in order to post it here on this list.>>Simon perhaps you did not read one of my initial posts to this >list where I write of being indebted to Michio Kushi for an >article I found explaining that cows milk was meant for baby>cows - and difficult for some people to digest - contributing >to a number of common diseases and maladies. Had I listened to>doctors I would have had a hysterectomy - missing out on the >joy of motherhood entirely. Very grateful for finding the >article offering me another choice at that crucial time in my>life.>>I choose to advocate a vegan diet - as a compassionate, healthy>choice - respecting the life of all creatures. Has anyone seen>the book by Will Tuttle The World Peace Diet? I have been a>vegetarian perhaps 35 years now - would have done so earlier but>not allowed in my father's home. I value macrobiotic principles>but I have chosen a vegan approach to macrobiotics as I believe>in not harming animals, my own being or those I care for. To me>it is about LIFE, LOVE and CARE. I believe we have the>opportunity to share our knowledge of the principles of>macrobiotics and 'no harm' to those just finding their way after>'life at home' with parents who may not have had an>understanding of healthy living or healthy eating practices. >>I also want to acknowledge 's lovely website - with the>excellent information on grain milk for babies. Thank you for>offering new mothers such concise information that was not>available years ago when I was a young mother. Blessings, Em>>Let the beauty we love be what we do. Rumi>Let everything you do be done in love.> 1 Corinthians 16:14>'Love is the measure.' Dorothy Day>'Gather yourselves...All that we do now must >be done in a sacred manner.' Hopi Elders 2001>>> >__________________________________________________________>The fish are biting. >Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.>http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php Brown Waxmanwww.celebrate4health.comwww.bebabywise.cominfocelebrate4health Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 what do you mean? Of course we all have to agree, to my point of view. Glad to hear you've found such a cool conference! I met a couple who has this huge permaculture thing going while in Australia. http://www.holmgren.com.au/html/OurPlace/ourplace.html picture taken by Christian.................... http://www.holmgren.com.au/html/Publications/Melliodora.html R >  , Thank you for saying what I felt, but could not verbalize. I really appreciate everyone in this group and have learned so much. My gratitude to Simon for helping me to understand the freedom in Macrobiotics. And Em's posts have made me more aware of how our lifestyles affect others. Perhaps we all need each other :-) > > My thoughts & blessings to all who make this forum the wonderful place that it is. And is Spring just around the corner? > > Dottie R > Illinois, USA, > where we have 5 " of snow & 5 degrees wind chill > > > Re: dairy food > > > >Please forgive me if I do not write this as graciously as I > >would wish to. I write from a place of reverence for all of > >life - for all creatures - all beings. If that comes across as > >judgemental I am sorry - I have long held convictions of the > >heart that I choose to share on this list. A list that was > >created as a forum advocating vegan macrobiotics. When finding > >this list I was so very pleased - I thought I had finally > >found a kindred group of people to communicate with regarding > >diet/health/recipes/support -only to realize that might not > >be the case. > > > >Thank you Simon for sharing a history of macrobiotics I have > >been unaware of. I have been in 'discussion' with Bruce off > >the list for much of the morning regarding the use of dairy. > > > >[in addition to other online conversations this morning that > >may be of more immediate concern ie the pending war in Iran > >and escalation of war in Iraq.] > > > >I intend to find a lovely article We Are One written by > >Michio Kushi fairly recently found in a magazine that is > >clearly offering a more vegan approach to macrobiotics than > >I remember from years ago when I first chose to follow > >certain aspects of macrobiotics for myself and my son. > >I will find the article - either online - or find the copy I > >have stored away - in order to post it here on this list. > > > >Simon perhaps you did not read one of my initial posts to this > >list where I write of being indebted to Michio Kushi for an > >article I found explaining that cows milk was meant for baby > >cows - and difficult for some people to digest - contributing > >to a number of common diseases and maladies. Had I listened to > >doctors I would have had a hysterectomy - missing out on the > >joy of motherhood entirely. Very grateful for finding the > >article offering me another choice at that crucial time in my > >life. > > > >I choose to advocate a vegan diet - as a compassionate, healthy > >choice - respecting the life of all creatures. Has anyone seen > >the book by Will Tuttle The World Peace Diet? I have been a > >vegetarian perhaps 35 years now - would have done so earlier but > >not allowed in my father's home. I value macrobiotic principles > >but I have chosen a vegan approach to macrobiotics as I believe > >in not harming animals, my own being or those I care for. To me > >it is about LIFE, LOVE and CARE. I believe we have the > >opportunity to share our knowledge of the principles of > >macrobiotics and 'no harm' to those just finding their way after > >'life at home' with parents who may not have had an > >understanding of healthy living or healthy eating practices. > > > >I also want to acknowledge 's lovely website - with the > >excellent information on grain milk for babies. Thank you for > >offering new mothers such concise information that was not > >available years ago when I was a young mother. Blessings, Em > > > >Let the beauty we love be what we do. Rumi > >Let everything you do be done in love. > > 1 Corinthians 16:14 > >'Love is the measure.' Dorothy Day > >'Gather yourselves...All that we do now must > >be done in a sacred manner.' Hopi Elders 2001 > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________ > >The fish are biting. > >Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > >http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php > > Brown Waxman > www.celebrate4health.com > www.bebabywise.com > info@... > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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