Re: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

[Guest guest]

I have to add in my own experiences with this. I was undertreated for about 30 years. I did have many symptoms of poor adrenal function, but was never tested for it.. not surprising with the horrible thyroid treatment I was getting! But I inadvertently stumbled across DHEA and started taking it. I really believe I helped my adrenals enough for them to recover by taking this before I started on Armour. I was on Synthroid at the time and it seemed to give my whole metabolism a boost, so I took a hefty 50MG a day for almost a year before starting on Armour. When I started Armour, I just literally forced my Doctor to prescribe it. He went kicking a screaming all the way, but he did give in & prescribe 1 grain a day. Then I went to a new doc and told him I was on 2 grains a day.. which I was not lying about.. LOL I am now up to 5 grains a day and feeling almost human. But I still take the DHEA and feel it immediately when I stop it or even cut it down. I have tried other adrenal support and got everything from feeling nothing from it to downright feeling bad from it. SO I do believe the adrenals can heal themselves IF you can tolerate enough thyroid medication for them to be able to. The problem is many folks have to have the adrenal support to be able to tolerate the increased Armour to get to their optimum dosage.

Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

[Guest guest]

I have to add in my own experiences with this. I was undertreated for about 30 years. I did have many symptoms of poor adrenal function, but was never tested for it.. not surprising with the horrible thyroid treatment I was getting! But I inadvertently stumbled across DHEA and started taking it. I really believe I helped my adrenals enough for them to recover by taking this before I started on Armour. I was on Synthroid at the time and it seemed to give my whole metabolism a boost, so I took a hefty 50MG a day for almost a year before starting on Armour. When I started Armour, I just literally forced my Doctor to prescribe it. He went kicking a screaming all the way, but he did give in & prescribe 1 grain a day. Then I went to a new doc and told him I was on 2 grains a day.. which I was not lying about.. LOL I am now up to 5 grains a day and feeling almost human. But I still take the DHEA and feel it immediately when I stop it or even cut it down. I have tried other adrenal support and got everything from feeling nothing from it to downright feeling bad from it. SO I do believe the adrenals can heal themselves IF you can tolerate enough thyroid medication for them to be able to. The problem is many folks have to have the adrenal support to be able to tolerate the increased Armour to get to their optimum dosage.

Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

[Guest guest]

<ruthklein1113@h...> wrote:

> Now I'm confused. I thought that if thyroid was under medicated the

> adrenals can crash. Are you saying that treating the thyroid will

not

> bring the adrenals back?

_________________

Thyroid hormone levels in the body control the size and output of

the adrenals. If a person is hypothryoid for a long time or is

undermedicated for their thyroid conditon for a long time, the

adrenals become weak and shrink. Their reserve, or storage of

hormones for stress, drops and so you can't handle stress well. If

you slowly get thyroid up to the proper level for health, the

adrenals will build up their strength to the proper level also in

most cases. This can take some time - up to 2 years. Studies found

that just giving thyroid hormone increases the size and reserve of

the adrenal glands. So, yes, getting proper thyroid levels

eventually corrects adrenal hypofunction in most people.

However, about 20% of thyroid patients also have auto-immune damage

to the adrenals. They call this polyglandular auto-immune disease.

And, a small proportion of thyroid patients have abnormalities in

adrenal function related to the hypothalamus. These people will

probably need to be on adrenal support for life to feel well.

Tish

[Guest guest]

<ruthklein1113@h...> wrote:

> Now I'm confused. I thought that if thyroid was under medicated the

> adrenals can crash. Are you saying that treating the thyroid will

not

> bring the adrenals back?

_________________

Thyroid hormone levels in the body control the size and output of

the adrenals. If a person is hypothryoid for a long time or is

undermedicated for their thyroid conditon for a long time, the

adrenals become weak and shrink. Their reserve, or storage of

hormones for stress, drops and so you can't handle stress well. If

you slowly get thyroid up to the proper level for health, the

adrenals will build up their strength to the proper level also in

most cases. This can take some time - up to 2 years. Studies found

that just giving thyroid hormone increases the size and reserve of

the adrenal glands. So, yes, getting proper thyroid levels

eventually corrects adrenal hypofunction in most people.

However, about 20% of thyroid patients also have auto-immune damage

to the adrenals. They call this polyglandular auto-immune disease.

And, a small proportion of thyroid patients have abnormalities in

adrenal function related to the hypothalamus. These people will

probably need to be on adrenal support for life to feel well.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Yes, chronically low thyroid, over time, can cause the adrenals to underproduce or crash, but then, when we go to build the thyroid back up, the fatigued adrenals need to be treated also, because they were underproducing for so long (whichever substance they were underproducing, most of the time cortisol). With an underproducing thyroid, they decrease in size also, so yes, it's the thyroid that helps them build up, but, we get in trouble, if we don't help them along. That's where those hyper symptoms may come from, when going up on the thyroid. They can no longer keep up with the increased metabolism. It is sort of, which came first, the chicken or the egg, but in treating, both need to be strengthened at the same time. In some people, it was originally the adrenals that were fatigued, which in turn can cause the thyroid to poop. I know it sounds complicated, and frankly, from person to person, it can be entirely different. That's why I believe in adrenal testing, and not treating them without positively knowing. Every single paper insert in all thyroid medications, if you notice, says to always check out the adrenals first. The problems with thyroid increases, with those uncomfortable symptoms, is why.

RE: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

Now I'm confused. I thought that if thyroid was under medicated the adrenals can crash. Are you saying that treating the thyroid will not bring the adrenals back?

[Guest guest]

Yes, chronically low thyroid, over time, can cause the adrenals to underproduce or crash, but then, when we go to build the thyroid back up, the fatigued adrenals need to be treated also, because they were underproducing for so long (whichever substance they were underproducing, most of the time cortisol). With an underproducing thyroid, they decrease in size also, so yes, it's the thyroid that helps them build up, but, we get in trouble, if we don't help them along. That's where those hyper symptoms may come from, when going up on the thyroid. They can no longer keep up with the increased metabolism. It is sort of, which came first, the chicken or the egg, but in treating, both need to be strengthened at the same time. In some people, it was originally the adrenals that were fatigued, which in turn can cause the thyroid to poop. I know it sounds complicated, and frankly, from person to person, it can be entirely different. That's why I believe in adrenal testing, and not treating them without positively knowing. Every single paper insert in all thyroid medications, if you notice, says to always check out the adrenals first. The problems with thyroid increases, with those uncomfortable symptoms, is why.

RE: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

Now I'm confused. I thought that if thyroid was under medicated the adrenals can crash. Are you saying that treating the thyroid will not bring the adrenals back?

[Guest guest]

OK, so my adrenals were tested and they were bordering on crashing. The doc had given me hydrocortisone (5mg) for a month. I did not see a difference. She also gave me supplements to support the adrenals. So far, it is mostly like eating air. She now has me on pregnenelone. But my hypo symptoms persist. We did another blood workup and we are waiting for results. I am taking 1.5 grains of Amour (well, thanks to you all, I found out that I am on a generic, which will not happen the next go-round of my prescription). All I can remember from the "bad" test is that my TSH was .8. The test we just took is supposed to measure the FT3 and FT4 and TSH.

I am just so tired of being tired. It seems that I have a roller coaster effect. I will gradually start feeling better, and then it goes down hill again. AND I know that stress is directly related to that, so my adrenals are still whacked out...

Thanks for all of the information that everyone shares!

-Ruth

-----Original Message-----From: Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 8:29 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

Yes, chronically low thyroid, over time, can cause the adrenals to underproduce or crash, but then, when we go to build the thyroid back up, the fatigued adrenals need to be treated also, because they were underproducing for so long (whichever substance they were underproducing, most of the time cortisol). With an underproducing thyroid, they decrease in size also, so yes, it's the thyroid that helps them build up, but, we get in trouble, if we don't help them along. That's where those hyper symptoms may come from, when going up on the thyroid. They can no longer keep up with the increased metabolism. It is sort of, which came first, the chicken or the egg, but in treating, both need to be strengthened at the same time. In some people, it was originally the adrenals that were fatigued, which in turn can cause the thyroid to poop. I know it sounds complicated, and frankly, from person to person, it can be entirely different. That's why I believe in adrenal testing, and not treating them without positively knowing. Every single paper insert in all thyroid medications, if you notice, says to always check out the adrenals first. The problems with thyroid increases, with those uncomfortable symptoms, is why.

RE: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

Now I'm confused. I thought that if thyroid was under medicated the adrenals can crash. Are you saying that treating the thyroid will not bring the adrenals back?

[Guest guest]

OK, so my adrenals were tested and they were bordering on crashing. The doc had given me hydrocortisone (5mg) for a month. I did not see a difference. She also gave me supplements to support the adrenals. So far, it is mostly like eating air. She now has me on pregnenelone. But my hypo symptoms persist. We did another blood workup and we are waiting for results. I am taking 1.5 grains of Amour (well, thanks to you all, I found out that I am on a generic, which will not happen the next go-round of my prescription). All I can remember from the "bad" test is that my TSH was .8. The test we just took is supposed to measure the FT3 and FT4 and TSH.

I am just so tired of being tired. It seems that I have a roller coaster effect. I will gradually start feeling better, and then it goes down hill again. AND I know that stress is directly related to that, so my adrenals are still whacked out...

Thanks for all of the information that everyone shares!

-Ruth

-----Original Message-----From: Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 8:29 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

Yes, chronically low thyroid, over time, can cause the adrenals to underproduce or crash, but then, when we go to build the thyroid back up, the fatigued adrenals need to be treated also, because they were underproducing for so long (whichever substance they were underproducing, most of the time cortisol). With an underproducing thyroid, they decrease in size also, so yes, it's the thyroid that helps them build up, but, we get in trouble, if we don't help them along. That's where those hyper symptoms may come from, when going up on the thyroid. They can no longer keep up with the increased metabolism. It is sort of, which came first, the chicken or the egg, but in treating, both need to be strengthened at the same time. In some people, it was originally the adrenals that were fatigued, which in turn can cause the thyroid to poop. I know it sounds complicated, and frankly, from person to person, it can be entirely different. That's why I believe in adrenal testing, and not treating them without positively knowing. Every single paper insert in all thyroid medications, if you notice, says to always check out the adrenals first. The problems with thyroid increases, with those uncomfortable symptoms, is why.

RE: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

Now I'm confused. I thought that if thyroid was under medicated the adrenals can crash. Are you saying that treating the thyroid will not bring the adrenals back?

[Guest guest]

Was that 5mg a day of cortisol? Wow, if it was, that will usually

have no effect. The typical adrenal support is 10mg to 20mg a day or

5mg taken 4 times a day. Most people on adrenal support only get

results at 20mg a day. It takes about two weeks for some to get

relief. A thyroid dose of 1.5 grains is really pretty tiny. If you

have adrenal fatigue and are not getting enough cortisol in the

blood thyroid hormone builds up in the blood and causes symptoms of

hyperthyroidism. Cortisol is needed to get thyroid in the tissues.

This can happen on tiny doses of thyroid. In adrenal fatigue and

thyroid treatment, thryoid builds up in the blood effecting the

heart and muscles, giving weakness, fatigue, the shakes, no stamina

and at the same time hypothryoid symptoms can persist, like hair

loss, weight gain, fatigue, etc.

If you have low levels of adrenal hormones and are on thyroid and

you go in for a thyroid blood workup, you will come back with

numbers that are too high. Dr. Peatfield has written that it is

worthless to test in adrenal fatigue when thyroid has built up in

the blood.

The healthy human thyroid makes 4-1/2 to 5 grains of thyroid a day.

You cannot overdose on anything less unless you do not have the

adrenal capacity. A healthy person can take up to 9 grains of Armour

without any bad effects. This is because they have the adrenal

reserve to handle it. A healthy person usually has symptoms for a

few hours and then no more from taking thyroid. This is because the

healthy thyroid drops production of hormone by whatever amount under

4-1/2 to 5 that is being taken to keep blood levels right.

So, if you are having problems with thyroid doses less than 4 grains

it is adrenaly caused. You must then make raises in tiny increments

like 15 mg and stay at that dose for at least 4 weeks and often

longer before making any other raises. This is to give the adrenals

time to build their strength up before the next raise.

The average Armour dose before the TSH test was 3 to 5 grains. This

was when it was adjusted by how people felt. Dr. Derry has

written that most people don't feel well without at least 3 grains

and they will not develope sufficient adrenal function untill they

get their dose up to their optimal dose where they feel best.

So, anyway, I think that you need to raise your adrenal support up

to 20mg a day in 4 evenly divided doses about 4 hours apart. This is

the typical adrenal support. Your doc either thought you weren't too

bad or she is afraid of cortisone. See if you can find " Safe Uses of

Cortisol " By Jeffries. You can probably get it on interlibrary loan.

If you can't get her to prescribe this for you, then use IsoCort 8

tablets a day or NutriMeds adrenal 4-6 tablets a day.

I personally tried all kinds of herbs and they really were not much

help for me. Some of them can be stimulatory and actually worse for

you than nothing.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Ruth

If you were on only 5 mgs a day of hydrocortisone, that simply isn't enough for helping tuckered adrenals to carry the burden they're carrying. From everything I've read and from what all these whose doctors have put them on hc, 20 mgs, divided into 4 x 5mg doses a day, is the average daily dose.

RE: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

OK, so my adrenals were tested and they were bordering on crashing. The doc had given me hydrocortisone (5mg) for a month. I did not see a difference. She also gave me supplements to support the adrenals. So far, it is mostly like eating air. She now has me on pregnenelone. But my hypo symptoms persist. We did another blood workup and we are waiting for results. I am taking 1.5 grains of Amour (well, thanks to you all, I found out that I am on a generic, which will not happen the next go-round of my prescription). All I can remember from the "bad" test is that my TSH was .8. The test we just took is supposed to measure the FT3 and FT4 and TSH.

I am just so tired of being tired. It seems that I have a roller coaster effect. I will gradually start feeling better, and then it goes down hill again. AND I know that stress is directly related to that, so my adrenals are still whacked out...

Thanks for all of the information that everyone shares!

-Ruth

[Guest guest]

Ruth

If you were on only 5 mgs a day of hydrocortisone, that simply isn't enough for helping tuckered adrenals to carry the burden they're carrying. From everything I've read and from what all these whose doctors have put them on hc, 20 mgs, divided into 4 x 5mg doses a day, is the average daily dose.

RE: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

OK, so my adrenals were tested and they were bordering on crashing. The doc had given me hydrocortisone (5mg) for a month. I did not see a difference. She also gave me supplements to support the adrenals. So far, it is mostly like eating air. She now has me on pregnenelone. But my hypo symptoms persist. We did another blood workup and we are waiting for results. I am taking 1.5 grains of Amour (well, thanks to you all, I found out that I am on a generic, which will not happen the next go-round of my prescription). All I can remember from the "bad" test is that my TSH was .8. The test we just took is supposed to measure the FT3 and FT4 and TSH.

I am just so tired of being tired. It seems that I have a roller coaster effect. I will gradually start feeling better, and then it goes down hill again. AND I know that stress is directly related to that, so my adrenals are still whacked out...

Thanks for all of the information that everyone shares!

-Ruth

[Guest guest]

What about DHEA for the support of adrenals instead of cortisol? (As posted earlier) Maybe some people would tolerate DHEA better than cortisol? Myself, I take 7.5 mg compounded hydrocortisone per day. If I try to take more than that and even at that small dose, I sometimes get terrible pain in my esophagus/upper stomach. And I'm on Omeprazole every day also.

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----From: lkwetter Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:35 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??Was that 5mg a day of cortisol? Wow, if it was, that will usually have no effect. The typical adrenal support is 10mg to 20mg a day or 5mg taken 4 times a day.

[Guest guest]

What about DHEA for the support of adrenals instead of cortisol? (As posted earlier) Maybe some people would tolerate DHEA better than cortisol? Myself, I take 7.5 mg compounded hydrocortisone per day. If I try to take more than that and even at that small dose, I sometimes get terrible pain in my esophagus/upper stomach. And I'm on Omeprazole every day also.

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----From: lkwetter Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:35 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??Was that 5mg a day of cortisol? Wow, if it was, that will usually have no effect. The typical adrenal support is 10mg to 20mg a day or 5mg taken 4 times a day.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tish, I think I was taking 5mg 2x a day. I am the one that is "afraid" of cortisone. I asked her to take me off of it. hmmmm I will talk to her again.

-Ruth

-----Original Message-----From: lkwetter Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:35 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??Was that 5mg a day of cortisol? Wow, if it was, that will usually have no effect. The typical adrenal support is 10mg to 20mg a day or 5mg taken 4 times a day. Most people on adrenal support only get results at 20mg a day. It takes about two weeks for some to get relief. A thyroid dose of 1.5 grains is really pretty tiny. If you have adrenal fatigue and are not getting enough cortisol in the blood thyroid hormone builds up in the blood and causes symptoms of hyperthyroidism. Cortisol is needed to get thyroid in the tissues. This can happen on tiny doses of thyroid. In adrenal fatigue and thyroid treatment, thryoid builds up in the blood effecting the heart and muscles, giving weakness, fatigue, the shakes, no stamina and at the same time hypothryoid symptoms can persist, like hair loss, weight gain, fatigue, etc. If you have low levels of adrenal hormones and are on thyroid and you go in for a thyroid blood workup, you will come back with numbers that are too high. Dr. Peatfield has written that it is worthless to test in adrenal fatigue when thyroid has built up in the blood.The healthy human thyroid makes 4-1/2 to 5 grains of thyroid a day. You cannot overdose on anything less unless you do not have the adrenal capacity. A healthy person can take up to 9 grains of Armour without any bad effects. This is because they have the adrenal reserve to handle it. A healthy person usually has symptoms for a few hours and then no more from taking thyroid. This is because the healthy thyroid drops production of hormone by whatever amount under 4-1/2 to 5 that is being taken to keep blood levels right. So, if you are having problems with thyroid doses less than 4 grains it is adrenaly caused. You must then make raises in tiny increments like 15 mg and stay at that dose for at least 4 weeks and often longer before making any other raises. This is to give the adrenals time to build their strength up before the next raise.The average Armour dose before the TSH test was 3 to 5 grains. This was when it was adjusted by how people felt. Dr. Derry has written that most people don't feel well without at least 3 grains and they will not develope sufficient adrenal function untill they get their dose up to their optimal dose where they feel best.So, anyway, I think that you need to raise your adrenal support up to 20mg a day in 4 evenly divided doses about 4 hours apart. This is the typical adrenal support. Your doc either thought you weren't too bad or she is afraid of cortisone. See if you can find "Safe Uses of Cortisol" By Jeffries. You can probably get it on interlibrary loan. If you can't get her to prescribe this for you, then use IsoCort 8 tablets a day or NutriMeds adrenal 4-6 tablets a day.I personally tried all kinds of herbs and they really were not much help for me. Some of them can be stimulatory and actually worse for you than nothing. Tish

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tish, I think I was taking 5mg 2x a day. I am the one that is "afraid" of cortisone. I asked her to take me off of it. hmmmm I will talk to her again.

-Ruth

-----Original Message-----From: lkwetter Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:35 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??Was that 5mg a day of cortisol? Wow, if it was, that will usually have no effect. The typical adrenal support is 10mg to 20mg a day or 5mg taken 4 times a day. Most people on adrenal support only get results at 20mg a day. It takes about two weeks for some to get relief. A thyroid dose of 1.5 grains is really pretty tiny. If you have adrenal fatigue and are not getting enough cortisol in the blood thyroid hormone builds up in the blood and causes symptoms of hyperthyroidism. Cortisol is needed to get thyroid in the tissues. This can happen on tiny doses of thyroid. In adrenal fatigue and thyroid treatment, thryoid builds up in the blood effecting the heart and muscles, giving weakness, fatigue, the shakes, no stamina and at the same time hypothryoid symptoms can persist, like hair loss, weight gain, fatigue, etc. If you have low levels of adrenal hormones and are on thyroid and you go in for a thyroid blood workup, you will come back with numbers that are too high. Dr. Peatfield has written that it is worthless to test in adrenal fatigue when thyroid has built up in the blood.The healthy human thyroid makes 4-1/2 to 5 grains of thyroid a day. You cannot overdose on anything less unless you do not have the adrenal capacity. A healthy person can take up to 9 grains of Armour without any bad effects. This is because they have the adrenal reserve to handle it. A healthy person usually has symptoms for a few hours and then no more from taking thyroid. This is because the healthy thyroid drops production of hormone by whatever amount under 4-1/2 to 5 that is being taken to keep blood levels right. So, if you are having problems with thyroid doses less than 4 grains it is adrenaly caused. You must then make raises in tiny increments like 15 mg and stay at that dose for at least 4 weeks and often longer before making any other raises. This is to give the adrenals time to build their strength up before the next raise.The average Armour dose before the TSH test was 3 to 5 grains. This was when it was adjusted by how people felt. Dr. Derry has written that most people don't feel well without at least 3 grains and they will not develope sufficient adrenal function untill they get their dose up to their optimal dose where they feel best.So, anyway, I think that you need to raise your adrenal support up to 20mg a day in 4 evenly divided doses about 4 hours apart. This is the typical adrenal support. Your doc either thought you weren't too bad or she is afraid of cortisone. See if you can find "Safe Uses of Cortisol" By Jeffries. You can probably get it on interlibrary loan. If you can't get her to prescribe this for you, then use IsoCort 8 tablets a day or NutriMeds adrenal 4-6 tablets a day.I personally tried all kinds of herbs and they really were not much help for me. Some of them can be stimulatory and actually worse for you than nothing. Tish

[Guest guest]

Ruth, what kind of cortisol were you taking? If it's Delta or Prednisone or something that is synthetic (not Cortef or Hydrocortisone), then 20mg a day would be too much. ~

-----Original Message-----From: Ruth Klein Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:44 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: RE: Re: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

Thanks Tish, I think I was taking 5mg 2x a day. I am the one that is "afraid" of cortisone. I asked her to take me off of it. hmmmm I will talk to her again.

-Ruth

[Guest guest]

Ruth, what kind of cortisol were you taking? If it's Delta or Prednisone or something that is synthetic (not Cortef or Hydrocortisone), then 20mg a day would be too much. ~

-----Original Message-----From: Ruth Klein Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:44 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: RE: Re: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

Thanks Tish, I think I was taking 5mg 2x a day. I am the one that is "afraid" of cortisone. I asked her to take me off of it. hmmmm I will talk to her again.

-Ruth

[Guest guest]

I was on Cortef. But the precautions are you could get sick more easily, don't be around sick people. You might get a cold... I felt slightly that way while on it. (Only for three weeks...) It scared me and I asked to quit taking it. She had only wanted me to take it for a month.

-Ruth

-----Original Message-----From: A. Weller Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:46 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: RE: Re: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

Ruth, what kind of cortisol were you taking? If it's Delta or Prednisone or something that is synthetic (not Cortef or Hydrocortisone), then 20mg a day would be too much. ~

-----Original Message-----From: Ruth Klein Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:44 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: RE: Re: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

Thanks Tish, I think I was taking 5mg 2x a day. I am the one that is "afraid" of cortisone. I asked her to take me off of it. hmmmm I will talk to her again.

-Ruth

[Guest guest]

Taking DHEA will not raise cortisol very much. Though it can be

converted to cortisol, apparently doesn't do it much. DHEA

supplementation can help take some burden off the adrenals to make

DHEA, but is no substitute for low cortisol.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Taking DHEA will not raise cortisol very much. Though it can be

converted to cortisol, apparently doesn't do it much. DHEA

supplementation can help take some burden off the adrenals to make

DHEA, but is no substitute for low cortisol.

Tish

[Guest guest]

> I was on Cortef. But the precautions are you could get sick more

easily,

> don't be around sick people.

____________________

This one is pretty funny. These are the warnings for overdose or

doses higher than 35 to 40 mg. This is how it is commonly used today

for treating health crisis like car crashes, serious illnesses or

injuries involving damaging inflammation, and bad arthritis flare

ups. These treatments usually involve short term high doses of

cortisol. These also were the first symptoms that happened when they

first started using it and didn't know what dose to use and made

them very high. They still put this stuff on the labels even though

there are no such symptoms on physiological doses. Dr. Jeffries

talks about how this information uneccesarily freightens his

patients who are on tiny doses and so they quit and get their

troubles back.

The truth is, if you don't have enough, your immune system won't

work and if you have too much your immune system won't work. So, a

physiological dose should make it more possible for you to fight off

infection much better if you need it than if you don't take it and

have levels too low.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Adrenal fatigue is what makes people sick. Pharmacological doses of cortisol might very well knock down the immune syste. Either not enough cortisol or way too much, I would suppose. If the adrenals are strong, then the immune system will probably be strong. Weak adrenals, catch everything that comes along.

RE: Re: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

I was on Cortef. But the precautions are you could get sick more easily, don't be around sick people. You might get a cold... I felt slightly that way while on it. (Only for three weeks...) It scared me and I asked to quit taking it. She had only wanted me to take it for a month.

-Ruth

[Guest guest]

Adrenal fatigue is what makes people sick. Pharmacological doses of cortisol might very well knock down the immune syste. Either not enough cortisol or way too much, I would suppose. If the adrenals are strong, then the immune system will probably be strong. Weak adrenals, catch everything that comes along.

RE: Re: adrenals treated BEFORE thyroid??

I was on Cortef. But the precautions are you could get sick more easily, don't be around sick people. You might get a cold... I felt slightly that way while on it. (Only for three weeks...) It scared me and I asked to quit taking it. She had only wanted me to take it for a month.

-Ruth

[Guest guest]

I have a question about the adrenals.

I was wondering if you exercise regularly (moderately), and have for several

years, then you find out that you have Hashi's, how would your adrenals be?

Would they possibly be weak, but look fine on the blood tests? How would

exercise effect your adrenals?

LYNN

[Guest guest]

I have a question about the adrenals.

I was wondering if you exercise regularly (moderately), and have for several

years, then you find out that you have Hashi's, how would your adrenals be?

Would they possibly be weak, but look fine on the blood tests? How would

exercise effect your adrenals?

LYNN