Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 You know...I was just reading that part over and thinking....NO WAY! It couldn't have been a live donor.....because they remove one THIRD of the liver if it's a live donor....and on someone who has been ill for a long time, many times a third of a liver is deemed to be insufficient....they feel that a whole liver will give you the best chance. So a third of an infected liver? No way.... Silvia > > > yes all well and good but tell me how a person with HCV can be a > live donor? I assume this person wants to donate Half his liver? > Does this person want to hasten their own death? What stage > damage is the donor liver? what even slight chance would the > donor have to survive? Did I read it right? ric > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Live donors give one third of their liver.....it takes just a few weeks for it to growe back....BUT.....it doesn't always grow back....and many hospitals have stopped doing live donor transplant because of the high rate of donor mortality. Silvia > > > > > yes all well and good but tell me how a person with > > HCV can be a > > live donor? I assume this person wants to donate > > Half his liver? > > Does this person want to hasten their own death? > > What stage > > damage is the donor liver? what even slight chance > > would the > > donor have to survive? Did I read it right? ric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 ....did you really mean that the liver was coming from someone that was alive? Silvia > > Thanks You for all your responses, > It definitely adds to my questions next Dr. visit, > it really makes me look differently at this.... > I never expected a call like that, > I thought the only decision I would have to make is " We Have A Healthy Liver > That Matches You, Do You Want It " ....... > WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Was I wrong > > Thanks Again > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 But in a few cases they took up to 60% of the liver from the donor. You see, it's really all about size.....LOL Oh I just couldn't resist Silvia > > right on Sylvia. mis-communication all the way. that would be a > crime and kill 2 people.. I'm thinking of the movie, what was > it?? Denzell was going to kill himself so his son could have a > heart? I thought well maybe it was something like that. and > they were notifing the next in line just in case?? Not trying to > make light, but it just sounded stupid. For me to accept a live > donor, I would have to know that person very well, cause like > you say, your only getting a third of it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 But in a few cases they took up to 60% of the liver from the donor. You see, it's really all about size.....LOL Oh I just couldn't resist Silvia > > right on Sylvia. mis-communication all the way. that would be a > crime and kill 2 people.. I'm thinking of the movie, what was > it?? Denzell was going to kill himself so his son could have a > heart? I thought well maybe it was something like that. and > they were notifing the next in line just in case?? Not trying to > make light, but it just sounded stupid. For me to accept a live > donor, I would have to know that person very well, cause like > you say, your only getting a third of it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 But in a few cases they took up to 60% of the liver from the donor. You see, it's really all about size.....LOL Oh I just couldn't resist Silvia > > right on Sylvia. mis-communication all the way. that would be a > crime and kill 2 people.. I'm thinking of the movie, what was > it?? Denzell was going to kill himself so his son could have a > heart? I thought well maybe it was something like that. and > they were notifing the next in line just in case?? Not trying to > make light, but it just sounded stupid. For me to accept a live > donor, I would have to know that person very well, cause like > you say, your only getting a third of it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 They try to match genotypes but in some cases where people were going to die they mixed. Genotype 1B is the one that is known to infect new livers quicker. Sometimes it does so with a vengence and the new livcer is cirrhotic in about 2 or 3 years. That is why they are not treating pre-transplant. If they can lower the viral load by the time of transplant, organs do better. In some cases, treating before transplant for 12 weeks has resulted in SVR...only about 20% which is the same success rate we get if we treat AFTER a transplant...but at least you treat for 12 weeks only instead of the whole year (or longer). To be honest, I can't imagine treating before transplant when people are already so sick but it's being done. Treating right before or after transplant is still considered investigational and very dangerous. Al.ot more things can go wrong. I have two forum members who had transplants and 3 years later they both had cirrhosis. The female didn't do well on treatment. Her worst problem was anemia. Because she has Medicaid, it won't pay for a second transplant. She is now end stage. The male, who's also diabetic, treated with Pegasys 180mg/Copegus 1200mg and after 6 months he was still not clear. They planned to continue because there were no more options, his citrrhosis is advanced. Then he had a stroke (no deficits from it)and the treatment was stopped. His viral load went back up ionto the millions. When he recovered from the stroke he decided to try again. This time, and against my advice, they were putting him on Pegasys again and only 800 mg of Copegus. The second time, he cleared at 12 weeks and he just got his 24 week viral load and remains clear. What do you think was the difference? We somehow had to make it better. We got rid of the insulin resistance and beat the odds. His blood sugar had been out of control the first time. Silvia > > My understanding is that the shortage of transplantable livers, and the high > need for them for HCV patients has resulted in beginning to use livers from > infected donors to implant into other infected patients. On some levels this > makes sense. It provides some hope where none existed before. The questions > I've seen raised on this subject were the genotypes of the two, is the donor > geno a different type than yours? That would result in a dual, or more, geno > infection. What is the condition of the liver. Hopefully they aren't trying > to implant cirrhotic livers. Many with HCV have minimal liver damage. > Implantation into an infected person will result in an infected liver, even > if it weren't before. And something I'm not clear on, is HCV treatment a > reasonable thing after transplant. I understand that its done for some. I'm > not clear on the interaction between the IFN, the anti-rejection meds, and > the rejection situation itself. I admit I haven't read the reports on that. > > Sally > > I Really Need Help With This One? > > > I need to know something, > I am at the top of the transplant list and just received a call from s > Hopkins... That there was a live donor and that the liver was infected with > HEP-C, they wanted to know if I wanted it.. I am sick and really want to get > this over with BUT why would they transplant a liver already infected? > Should I have taken the liver? This really has me worried, it caught me way > off guard. Now I am second guessing my decision to turn it down > > Thanks for any help > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Okay boys.....let's put this to rest. I have emailed the ones that know and have asked them these questions trhen we'll know for sure. Rick....in my opinion, I don't think they would do a living donor transplant from someone that has hep c because you never know what will happen in the future and that person may end up needing a transplant themselves. One of the prerequisitites is that the donor has to be in perfect health and someone with hep C is not in perfect health. You do know alot and so does....was it Bill? hell....I'm, bad with names. Siulvia > > > you will kindly stop telling me then that I don't know what I'm > talking about. It is very true some days I am confused. But I am > perfectly aware of the regerative properties of the liver. My > question was.....Will a diseased half liver regenerate at the > same rate as a healthy one? and will it regerate at all? > considering it would be put into a person who already has a > viral load and other health problems. remember he needed a > liver > I know they are putting cadaver HCV+ livers into transplantees. > But WHY would they have a live donor liver thats HCV+ in the > first place? I ASSume the donor is still alive?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Okay boys.....let's put this to rest. I have emailed the ones that know and have asked them these questions trhen we'll know for sure. Rick....in my opinion, I don't think they would do a living donor transplant from someone that has hep c because you never know what will happen in the future and that person may end up needing a transplant themselves. One of the prerequisitites is that the donor has to be in perfect health and someone with hep C is not in perfect health. You do know alot and so does....was it Bill? hell....I'm, bad with names. Siulvia > > > you will kindly stop telling me then that I don't know what I'm > talking about. It is very true some days I am confused. But I am > perfectly aware of the regerative properties of the liver. My > question was.....Will a diseased half liver regenerate at the > same rate as a healthy one? and will it regerate at all? > considering it would be put into a person who already has a > viral load and other health problems. remember he needed a > liver > I know they are putting cadaver HCV+ livers into transplantees. > But WHY would they have a live donor liver thats HCV+ in the > first place? I ASSume the donor is still alive?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Okay boys.....let's put this to rest. I have emailed the ones that know and have asked them these questions trhen we'll know for sure. Rick....in my opinion, I don't think they would do a living donor transplant from someone that has hep c because you never know what will happen in the future and that person may end up needing a transplant themselves. One of the prerequisitites is that the donor has to be in perfect health and someone with hep C is not in perfect health. You do know alot and so does....was it Bill? hell....I'm, bad with names. Siulvia > > > you will kindly stop telling me then that I don't know what I'm > talking about. It is very true some days I am confused. But I am > perfectly aware of the regerative properties of the liver. My > question was.....Will a diseased half liver regenerate at the > same rate as a healthy one? and will it regerate at all? > considering it would be put into a person who already has a > viral load and other health problems. remember he needed a > liver > I know they are putting cadaver HCV+ livers into transplantees. > But WHY would they have a live donor liver thats HCV+ in the > first place? I ASSume the donor is still alive?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 LOL > > > Hey Sylvia, > You do know alot and so does....was it Bill? > > > hell....I'm, bad with > > > names. > > > > > > Siulvia > It appears your bad with your own too...I know, blame the > keyboard. r > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 LOL > > > Hey Sylvia, > You do know alot and so does....was it Bill? > > > hell....I'm, bad with > > > names. > > > > > > Siulvia > It appears your bad with your own too...I know, blame the > keyboard. r > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 LOL > > > Hey Sylvia, > You do know alot and so does....was it Bill? > > > hell....I'm, bad with > > > names. > > > > > > Siulvia > It appears your bad with your own too...I know, blame the > keyboard. r > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 and it's catchy Ric....so I hope nobody else reads my post....LOL.... S-I-L-V-I-A ..... no " Y " > > > Hey Sylvia, > You do know alot and so does....was it Bill? > > > hell....I'm, bad with > > > names. > > > > > > Siulvia > It appears your bad with your own too...I know, blame the > keyboard. r > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 and it's catchy Ric....so I hope nobody else reads my post....LOL.... S-I-L-V-I-A ..... no " Y " > > > Hey Sylvia, > You do know alot and so does....was it Bill? > > > hell....I'm, bad with > > > names. > > > > > > Siulvia > It appears your bad with your own too...I know, blame the > keyboard. r > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 and it's catchy Ric....so I hope nobody else reads my post....LOL.... S-I-L-V-I-A ..... no " Y " > > > Hey Sylvia, > You do know alot and so does....was it Bill? > > > hell....I'm, bad with > > > names. > > > > > > Siulvia > It appears your bad with your own too...I know, blame the > keyboard. r > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 I like it! > > > how about this one? Silyvia.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 I like it! > > > how about this one? Silyvia.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Oh yeah...I remember those days too....drinking Irish cream all day then thinking you could do anything you want out on the slopes. I was lucky I didn't brake my neck......LOL Silvia > > > so your in the springs huh? I used to love going to the top of > Mt. San Jacinto. It's the only place I know of where you can go > from 95 degree desert heat to a winter wonderland, 5 ft. of snow > and COLD in what? 15 minutes? What an experience that was. > sitting by the fireplace, drinking irish cream all day till last > call back down the mountain....sigh. Those were the Daze. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 They do not transplant a half liver of a cadaver. They use the whole thing. The cadaver has no use for the other half. Rejunifcation varies in each individuals body. The healthier you are, the faster you will Reginerate. I wish you folks that are so concerned about this would take the time to ask a pro.What I am telling you is just from my experiences an I am in no way a Lay Person. --- Ric wrote: > > you will kindly stop telling me then that I don't > know what I'm > talking about. It is very true some days I am > confused. But I am > perfectly aware of the regerative properties of the > liver. My > question was.....Will a diseased half liver > regenerate at the > same rate as a healthy one? and will it regerate at > all? > considering it would be put into a person who > already has a > viral load and other health problems. remember he > needed a > liver > I know they are putting cadaver HCV+ livers into > transplantees. > But WHY would they have a live donor liver thats > HCV+ in the > first place? I ASSume the donor is still alive?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 They do not transplant a half liver of a cadaver. They use the whole thing. The cadaver has no use for the other half. Rejunifcation varies in each individuals body. The healthier you are, the faster you will Reginerate. I wish you folks that are so concerned about this would take the time to ask a pro.What I am telling you is just from my experiences an I am in no way a Lay Person. --- Ric wrote: > > you will kindly stop telling me then that I don't > know what I'm > talking about. It is very true some days I am > confused. But I am > perfectly aware of the regerative properties of the > liver. My > question was.....Will a diseased half liver > regenerate at the > same rate as a healthy one? and will it regerate at > all? > considering it would be put into a person who > already has a > viral load and other health problems. remember he > needed a > liver > I know they are putting cadaver HCV+ livers into > transplantees. > But WHY would they have a live donor liver thats > HCV+ in the > first place? I ASSume the donor is still alive?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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