Re: Re: can thyroid make you hurt?

[Guest guest]

Tish,

I fund the IsoCort. -)

Thanks

[Guest guest]

I definitely do believe in supplementation with adrenal substances, but this one, I don't believe in doing by symptoms-only. Cortisol is wonderful, it is part of the glue that makes us feel good, but it's also very powerful. I do believe in giving physiological doses of hydrocortisone, IF it is test proven that we need it. I know that I definitely need this testing but haven't found a place for it on the budget, due to all the other testing with the thyroid so repeatedly. The more I learn about this, the more that I know that I need this done, but I will not take hydrocortisone blind. I did try the Nutri-Meds Bovine Adrenal for a few wks, on and off, but my palpitations got heavier, and I was awakened in the middle of the night with a VERY rapid heatbeat, after taking just a quarter tab before bedtime. This was the last time I took it. I believe that it IS a good product, and that it is exactly what some people need, but it is the whole adrenal gland, not just the cortex, so it has some of the other adrenal substances in it that I may not individually need, so I'll just wait til I've tested and not guess at this. Many people have had great success just treating blind, and they happened to strike upon what their main problems were, with these products. I'm thinking there's something in there that MY body may not need, so I'm going to forego taking it.

Re: can thyroid make you hurt?

To ,It's crazy, but I asked my doctor if I should skip my Armour dose until after the test and he said absolutely not. So...looks like I messed up by listening to him. I should have asked all of you. I just added 1/4 grain back to my morning dosage to see if that will start to ease things. If you don't mind my asking, what do you think of adding Adrenal supplements?

[Guest guest]

I definitely do believe in supplementation with adrenal substances, but this one, I don't believe in doing by symptoms-only. Cortisol is wonderful, it is part of the glue that makes us feel good, but it's also very powerful. I do believe in giving physiological doses of hydrocortisone, IF it is test proven that we need it. I know that I definitely need this testing but haven't found a place for it on the budget, due to all the other testing with the thyroid so repeatedly. The more I learn about this, the more that I know that I need this done, but I will not take hydrocortisone blind. I did try the Nutri-Meds Bovine Adrenal for a few wks, on and off, but my palpitations got heavier, and I was awakened in the middle of the night with a VERY rapid heatbeat, after taking just a quarter tab before bedtime. This was the last time I took it. I believe that it IS a good product, and that it is exactly what some people need, but it is the whole adrenal gland, not just the cortex, so it has some of the other adrenal substances in it that I may not individually need, so I'll just wait til I've tested and not guess at this. Many people have had great success just treating blind, and they happened to strike upon what their main problems were, with these products. I'm thinking there's something in there that MY body may not need, so I'm going to forego taking it.

Re: can thyroid make you hurt?

To ,It's crazy, but I asked my doctor if I should skip my Armour dose until after the test and he said absolutely not. So...looks like I messed up by listening to him. I should have asked all of you. I just added 1/4 grain back to my morning dosage to see if that will start to ease things. If you don't mind my asking, what do you think of adding Adrenal supplements?

[Guest guest]

,

I'm so glad you posted this. I've been having some palpitations also and it's good to know that it may very well be attributable to the hydrocortisone, not necessarily the Armour. In fact, when I increased my hydrocortisone dose, I really noticed it. This forum is so educational and I'm thankful it's here.

: Low thyroid CAN make you hurt! I have unbelievably chronic, terrible pain in my neck, shoulders, and collarbone/chest muscles when my thyroid dose is too low (every day for TWO YEARS when we lived up north) and now I ache all over like I have the flu -- mostly in the afternoons and at night. Just kind of sore everywhere, plus the chronic pain intermittently. Though its my guess that I'm not on enough Armour -- yet -- but hopefully I'll get there.

-----Original Message-----From: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:10 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Re: can thyroid make you hurt?

I definitely do believe in supplementation with adrenal substances, but this one, I don't believe in doing by symptoms-only. Cortisol is wonderful, it is part of the glue that makes us feel good, but it's also very powerful. I do believe in giving physiological doses of hydrocortisone, IF it is test proven that we need it. I know that I definitely need this testing but haven't found a place for it on the budget, due to all the other testing with the thyroid so repeatedly. The more I learn about this, the more that I know that I need this done, but I will not take hydrocortisone blind. I did try the Nutri-Meds Bovine Adrenal for a few wks, on and off, but my palpitations got heavier, and I was awakened in the middle of the night with a VERY rapid heatbeat, after taking just a quarter tab before bedtime. This was the last time I took it. I believe that it IS a good product, and that it is exactly what some people need, but it is the whole adrenal gland, not just the cortex, so it has some of the other adrenal substances in it that I may not individually need, so I'll just wait til I've tested and not guess at this. Many people have had great success just treating blind, and they happened to strike upon what their main problems were, with these products. I'm thinking there's something in there that MY body may not need, so I'm going to forego taking it.

Re: can thyroid make you hurt?

To ,It's crazy, but I asked my doctor if I should skip my Armour dose until after the test and he said absolutely not. So...looks like I messed up by listening to him. I should have asked all of you. I just added 1/4 grain back to my morning dosage to see if that will start to ease things. If you don't mind my asking, what do you think of adding Adrenal supplements?

[Guest guest]

,

I'm so glad you posted this. I've been having some palpitations also and it's good to know that it may very well be attributable to the hydrocortisone, not necessarily the Armour. In fact, when I increased my hydrocortisone dose, I really noticed it. This forum is so educational and I'm thankful it's here.

: Low thyroid CAN make you hurt! I have unbelievably chronic, terrible pain in my neck, shoulders, and collarbone/chest muscles when my thyroid dose is too low (every day for TWO YEARS when we lived up north) and now I ache all over like I have the flu -- mostly in the afternoons and at night. Just kind of sore everywhere, plus the chronic pain intermittently. Though its my guess that I'm not on enough Armour -- yet -- but hopefully I'll get there.

-----Original Message-----From: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:10 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Re: can thyroid make you hurt?

I definitely do believe in supplementation with adrenal substances, but this one, I don't believe in doing by symptoms-only. Cortisol is wonderful, it is part of the glue that makes us feel good, but it's also very powerful. I do believe in giving physiological doses of hydrocortisone, IF it is test proven that we need it. I know that I definitely need this testing but haven't found a place for it on the budget, due to all the other testing with the thyroid so repeatedly. The more I learn about this, the more that I know that I need this done, but I will not take hydrocortisone blind. I did try the Nutri-Meds Bovine Adrenal for a few wks, on and off, but my palpitations got heavier, and I was awakened in the middle of the night with a VERY rapid heatbeat, after taking just a quarter tab before bedtime. This was the last time I took it. I believe that it IS a good product, and that it is exactly what some people need, but it is the whole adrenal gland, not just the cortex, so it has some of the other adrenal substances in it that I may not individually need, so I'll just wait til I've tested and not guess at this. Many people have had great success just treating blind, and they happened to strike upon what their main problems were, with these products. I'm thinking there's something in there that MY body may not need, so I'm going to forego taking it.

Re: can thyroid make you hurt?

To ,It's crazy, but I asked my doctor if I should skip my Armour dose until after the test and he said absolutely not. So...looks like I messed up by listening to him. I should have asked all of you. I just added 1/4 grain back to my morning dosage to see if that will start to ease things. If you don't mind my asking, what do you think of adding Adrenal supplements?

[Guest guest]

Dear --

Thank goodness you said something about that. On some of

the other thyroid groups, there are members who are pushing

adrenal support. Like many people here, I suspect my adrenals

are definitely part of my fatigue issues, mostly because I went

undiagnosed for almost ten years. HOWEVER, after doing reading

on 's disease (extreme adrenal disease), I realized that I did

not want to start dabbling with these drugs/supplements unless it was

ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

The reaction you had, , I suspect would happen with me, given

my reactiveness to most medications.

Best wishes--

Courtenay.

I definitely

do believe in supplementation with adrenal substances, but this one, I

don't believe in doing by symptoms-only. Cortisol is wonderful,

it is part of the glue that makes us feel good, but it's also very

powerful. I do believe in giving physiological doses of

hydrocortisone, IF it is test proven that we need it. I know

that I definitely need this testing but haven't found a place for it

on the budget, due to all the other testing with the thyroid so

repeatedly. The more I learn about this, the more that I know

that I need this done, but I will not take hydrocortisone blind.

I did try the Nutri-Meds Bovine Adrenal for a few wks, on and off, but

my palpitations got heavier, and I was awakened in the middle of the

night with a VERY rapid heatbeat, after taking just a quarter tab

before bedtime. This was the last time I took it. I

believe that it IS a good product, and that it is exactly what some

people need, but it is the whole adrenal gland, not just the cortex,

so it has some of the other adrenal substances in it that I may not

individually need, so I'll just wait til I've tested and not guess at

this. Many people have had great success just treating blind,

and they happened to strike upon what their main problems were, with

these products. I'm thinking there's something in there that MY

body may not need, so I'm going to forego taking

it.

[Guest guest]

I have a strong feeling that I may need the hydrocortisone, but the whole glandulars have much more than this, including those substances from the other section of the adrenals. For instance, I'm thinking that I may not need adrenaline or norepinephrine or those types of things. Well, who knows, I haven't tested for these, and I think that, more than likely, most of us have needed some type of adrenal support, but, if you notice, individually, it's been in different combinations for different people. Some, when tested, may not need DHEA, but may need a little hydrocortison, but others may need the DHEA, but not hydrocortisone, plus there are the sex hormones and all the effects that a "domino effect" of taking one out of balance with another one. I'm very sure about my Armour, though I've probably had trouble raising it up quickly because of the aforementioned things, but I'm a very strong believer in adrenal hormone testing. I don't, however, believe that the blood tests or the 24 hr urine give a good picture of what's really going on in the tissues there.

Re: Re: can thyroid make you hurt?

Dear --

Thank goodness you said something about that. On some of the other thyroid groups, there are members who are pushing adrenal support. Like many people here, I suspect my adrenals are definitely part of my fatigue issues, mostly because I went undiagnosed for almost ten years. HOWEVER, after doing reading on 's disease (extreme adrenal disease), I realized that I did not want to start dabbling with these drugs/supplements unless it was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

The reaction you had, , I suspect would happen with me, given my reactiveness to most medications.

Best wishes--

Courtenay.

[Guest guest]

I have a strong feeling that I may need the hydrocortisone, but the whole glandulars have much more than this, including those substances from the other section of the adrenals. For instance, I'm thinking that I may not need adrenaline or norepinephrine or those types of things. Well, who knows, I haven't tested for these, and I think that, more than likely, most of us have needed some type of adrenal support, but, if you notice, individually, it's been in different combinations for different people. Some, when tested, may not need DHEA, but may need a little hydrocortison, but others may need the DHEA, but not hydrocortisone, plus there are the sex hormones and all the effects that a "domino effect" of taking one out of balance with another one. I'm very sure about my Armour, though I've probably had trouble raising it up quickly because of the aforementioned things, but I'm a very strong believer in adrenal hormone testing. I don't, however, believe that the blood tests or the 24 hr urine give a good picture of what's really going on in the tissues there.

Re: Re: can thyroid make you hurt?

Dear --

Thank goodness you said something about that. On some of the other thyroid groups, there are members who are pushing adrenal support. Like many people here, I suspect my adrenals are definitely part of my fatigue issues, mostly because I went undiagnosed for almost ten years. HOWEVER, after doing reading on 's disease (extreme adrenal disease), I realized that I did not want to start dabbling with these drugs/supplements unless it was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

The reaction you had, , I suspect would happen with me, given my reactiveness to most medications.

Best wishes--

Courtenay.

[Guest guest]

I have a strong feeling that I may need the hydrocortisone, but the whole glandulars have much more than this, including those substances from the other section of the adrenals. For instance, I'm thinking that I may not need adrenaline or norepinephrine or those types of things. Well, who knows, I haven't tested for these, and I think that, more than likely, most of us have needed some type of adrenal support, but, if you notice, individually, it's been in different combinations for different people. Some, when tested, may not need DHEA, but may need a little hydrocortison, but others may need the DHEA, but not hydrocortisone, plus there are the sex hormones and all the effects that a "domino effect" of taking one out of balance with another one. I'm very sure about my Armour, though I've probably had trouble raising it up quickly because of the aforementioned things, but I'm a very strong believer in adrenal hormone testing. I don't, however, believe that the blood tests or the 24 hr urine give a good picture of what's really going on in the tissues there.

Re: Re: can thyroid make you hurt?

Dear --

Thank goodness you said something about that. On some of the other thyroid groups, there are members who are pushing adrenal support. Like many people here, I suspect my adrenals are definitely part of my fatigue issues, mostly because I went undiagnosed for almost ten years. HOWEVER, after doing reading on 's disease (extreme adrenal disease), I realized that I did not want to start dabbling with these drugs/supplements unless it was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

The reaction you had, , I suspect would happen with me, given my reactiveness to most medications.

Best wishes--

Courtenay.