Re: Suggestions??

October 15, 2009

Hi Melinda,

I feel your pain! Sleep deprivation is tough! Noah never slept through the night. He's 4 years old and still wakes up sometimes. My daughter, Mariella, started sleeping through the night at only 6 months old. I think the big difference for us is that Mari co-sleeps with us. Noah did not. I was insistant that he sleep in a seperate room in his crib. Even when he was casted and would wake 3+ times a night and I'd have to go in there to flip him over. I think he was always uncomfortable too (he had Torticollis, then a helmet for plagio, then a cast and now a brace.

Now that my 2nd child sleeps through the night I wonder if it would have made a difference w/Noah if I had let him sleep with us. I think it would have. I know co-sleeping isn't for everyone...but I wanted to suggest it just in case you want to consider all options.

Also, our doc recommended that we force postion her against her curve as much as possible when sleeping. Did you know 80-90% of growth hormones are released when you sleep?! For Mariella - the forced positioning is easy. I simply lay on her left side and she automatically positions herself towards mommy.

One other suggestion too that worked for us...we wake her and give her a bottle at 10:30 pm before we go to bed. We're tried eliminating that late-night bottle, but everytime we do - she starts waking at 4:00 am. I think that 11 hours without a bottle is just too long for her to go.

Good luck!

~Noah 4 years old9 months of casting in SLC; Currently on 1 1/2 years of bracingAnd Mariella 9 months old currently waiting and watching at 11*

To: infantile_scoliosis From: mindylee1@...Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:30:27 +0000Subject: Suggestions??

Hi all, So I'm in need of some advice. Marlycia was sleeping thru the night since she was 10 wks old. When she turned 7 mnths, she started waking up for bottles again. So I gave in for a while then I let her 'cry it out'. She cried for three nights and started sleeping thru again. I feel like she is capable of going until 6am w/out a bottle b/c shes done it for so long. Now, when she got her brace on, she started waking up again and of course to comfort her, I gave her a bottle. Its getting worse every night. Now shes waking every 2-3 hrs!!! I'm exhausted and shes waking up Natalya. All our bedrooms are so close together, everyone can hear everything. So my issue now is, do I keep giving in to her? Shes 9 mnths old and I dont want her to think this is ok b/c I'll be taking the bottle away completely by the time shes 12/13 mnths. I know shes not in pain b/c she goes back to sleep after the bottle (which I am holding b/c she cant yet). So, I need to let her cry it out, right? What kind of noise can I have in Natalyas room so she doesnt hear it? I had the AC in the summer bit now what?MelindaMommy of Marlycia 9 mnths, Natalya 23 mnthsScranton, PA

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October 15, 2009

Hi Melinda,

I feel your pain! Sleep deprivation is tough! Noah never slept through the night. He's 4 years old and still wakes up sometimes. My daughter, Mariella, started sleeping through the night at only 6 months old. I think the big difference for us is that Mari co-sleeps with us. Noah did not. I was insistant that he sleep in a seperate room in his crib. Even when he was casted and would wake 3+ times a night and I'd have to go in there to flip him over. I think he was always uncomfortable too (he had Torticollis, then a helmet for plagio, then a cast and now a brace.

Now that my 2nd child sleeps through the night I wonder if it would have made a difference w/Noah if I had let him sleep with us. I think it would have. I know co-sleeping isn't for everyone...but I wanted to suggest it just in case you want to consider all options.

Also, our doc recommended that we force postion her against her curve as much as possible when sleeping. Did you know 80-90% of growth hormones are released when you sleep?! For Mariella - the forced positioning is easy. I simply lay on her left side and she automatically positions herself towards mommy.

One other suggestion too that worked for us...we wake her and give her a bottle at 10:30 pm before we go to bed. We're tried eliminating that late-night bottle, but everytime we do - she starts waking at 4:00 am. I think that 11 hours without a bottle is just too long for her to go.

Good luck!

~Noah 4 years old9 months of casting in SLC; Currently on 1 1/2 years of bracingAnd Mariella 9 months old currently waiting and watching at 11*

To: infantile_scoliosis From: mindylee1@...Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:30:27 +0000Subject: Suggestions??

Hi all, So I'm in need of some advice. Marlycia was sleeping thru the night since she was 10 wks old. When she turned 7 mnths, she started waking up for bottles again. So I gave in for a while then I let her 'cry it out'. She cried for three nights and started sleeping thru again. I feel like she is capable of going until 6am w/out a bottle b/c shes done it for so long. Now, when she got her brace on, she started waking up again and of course to comfort her, I gave her a bottle. Its getting worse every night. Now shes waking every 2-3 hrs!!! I'm exhausted and shes waking up Natalya. All our bedrooms are so close together, everyone can hear everything. So my issue now is, do I keep giving in to her? Shes 9 mnths old and I dont want her to think this is ok b/c I'll be taking the bottle away completely by the time shes 12/13 mnths. I know shes not in pain b/c she goes back to sleep after the bottle (which I am holding b/c she cant yet). So, I need to let her cry it out, right? What kind of noise can I have in Natalyas room so she doesnt hear it? I had the AC in the summer bit now what?MelindaMommy of Marlycia 9 mnths, Natalya 23 mnthsScranton, PA

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October 15, 2009

Oh good I'm not alone. I'm a meanie too TashaMommy of 4 year old twin boys- and Fort Worth, TexasSeries of 6 casts for 14 months and now in a night brace. is treated at Texas ish Rite Hospital.You can read 's story at....http://www.infantilescoliosis.org/stories.htmlFrom: poohlvr To: infantile_scoliosis Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 12:40:45 PMSubject: Re: Suggestions??

LOL, Tasha. I responded about crying it out too before I saw this and wondered if I might get flamed for it. I am a big ol' meanie and let both of mine CIO.

Noelle (12-2-01)

Ian (8-15-04)

From: Tasha Fontenot <ryanswalkyahoo (DOT) com>To: infantile_scoliosis @yahoogroups. comSent: Thu, October 15, 2009 11:56:53 AMSubject: Re: [infantile_scoliosi s] Suggestions? ?

Melinda,Sorry about the sleepless nights. Not getting sound sleep can really make things bad. As far as noise for Natalya's room they make white noise machines. I do not have one, but have friends(adults) that can only sleep with one. We do not have ceiling fans now in the boys room, but as babies they did have one. So right now they both sleep with a small oscillating fan all through the night.Now as far as her waking up and wanting to be fed. I may not get lots of love for this, but I would nip it in the bud. Let her cry about it.She is old enough to know you will wake up and give her a bottle. This is coming from a mom who made a midnight feeder because he would not eat during the day. Long story short he had laryngomalacia( floppy esophagus)so it was hard for him to swallow/eat. It may

sound

mean, but she is not hungry....right? Just wanting to be soothed and the bottle is doing it. You have made her schedule so she is just going along with it. I did the same with .Its hard being a mom.Congrats on the brace results!!

TashaMommy of 4 year old twin boys- and Fort Worth, TexasSeries of 6 casts for 14 months and now in a night brace. is treated at Texas ish Rite Hospital.You can read 's story at....http://www.infantil escoliosis. org/stories. html

From: melindalee95 <mindylee1verizon (DOT) net>To: infantile_scoliosis @yahoogroups. comSent: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:30:27 AMSubject: [infantile_scoliosi s] Suggestions? ?

Hi all, So I'm in need of some advice. Marlycia was sleeping thru the night since she was 10 wks old. When she turned 7 mnths, she started waking up for bottles again. So I gave in for a while then I let her 'cry it out'. She cried for three nights and started sleeping thru again. I feel like she is capable of going until 6am w/out a bottle b/c shes done it for so long. Now, when she got her brace on, she started waking up again and of course to comfort her, I gave her a bottle. Its getting worse every night. Now shes waking every 2-3 hrs!!! I'm exhausted and shes waking up Natalya. All our bedrooms are so close together, everyone can hear everything. So my issue now is, do I keep giving in to her? Shes 9 mnths old and I dont want her to think this is ok b/c I'll be taking the bottle away completely by the time shes 12/13 mnths. I know shes not in pain b/c she goes back to sleep after the bottle (which I am holding b/c she cant yet). So, I

need to let her cry it out, right? What kind of noise can I have in Natalyas room so she doesnt hear it? I had the AC in the summer bit now what?MelindaMommy of Marlycia 9 mnths, Natalya 23 mnthsScranton, PA____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

October 15, 2009

Oh good I'm not alone. I'm a meanie too TashaMommy of 4 year old twin boys- and Fort Worth, TexasSeries of 6 casts for 14 months and now in a night brace. is treated at Texas ish Rite Hospital.You can read 's story at....http://www.infantilescoliosis.org/stories.htmlFrom: poohlvr To: infantile_scoliosis Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 12:40:45 PMSubject: Re: Suggestions??

LOL, Tasha. I responded about crying it out too before I saw this and wondered if I might get flamed for it. I am a big ol' meanie and let both of mine CIO.

Noelle (12-2-01)

Ian (8-15-04)

From: Tasha Fontenot <ryanswalkyahoo (DOT) com>To: infantile_scoliosis @yahoogroups. comSent: Thu, October 15, 2009 11:56:53 AMSubject: Re: [infantile_scoliosi s] Suggestions? ?

Melinda,Sorry about the sleepless nights. Not getting sound sleep can really make things bad. As far as noise for Natalya's room they make white noise machines. I do not have one, but have friends(adults) that can only sleep with one. We do not have ceiling fans now in the boys room, but as babies they did have one. So right now they both sleep with a small oscillating fan all through the night.Now as far as her waking up and wanting to be fed. I may not get lots of love for this, but I would nip it in the bud. Let her cry about it.She is old enough to know you will wake up and give her a bottle. This is coming from a mom who made a midnight feeder because he would not eat during the day. Long story short he had laryngomalacia( floppy esophagus)so it was hard for him to swallow/eat. It may

sound

mean, but she is not hungry....right? Just wanting to be soothed and the bottle is doing it. You have made her schedule so she is just going along with it. I did the same with .Its hard being a mom.Congrats on the brace results!!

TashaMommy of 4 year old twin boys- and Fort Worth, TexasSeries of 6 casts for 14 months and now in a night brace. is treated at Texas ish Rite Hospital.You can read 's story at....http://www.infantil escoliosis. org/stories. html

From: melindalee95 <mindylee1verizon (DOT) net>To: infantile_scoliosis @yahoogroups. comSent: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:30:27 AMSubject: [infantile_scoliosi s] Suggestions? ?

Hi all, So I'm in need of some advice. Marlycia was sleeping thru the night since she was 10 wks old. When she turned 7 mnths, she started waking up for bottles again. So I gave in for a while then I let her 'cry it out'. She cried for three nights and started sleeping thru again. I feel like she is capable of going until 6am w/out a bottle b/c shes done it for so long. Now, when she got her brace on, she started waking up again and of course to comfort her, I gave her a bottle. Its getting worse every night. Now shes waking every 2-3 hrs!!! I'm exhausted and shes waking up Natalya. All our bedrooms are so close together, everyone can hear everything. So my issue now is, do I keep giving in to her? Shes 9 mnths old and I dont want her to think this is ok b/c I'll be taking the bottle away completely by the time shes 12/13 mnths. I know shes not in pain b/c she goes back to sleep after the bottle (which I am holding b/c she cant yet). So, I

need to let her cry it out, right? What kind of noise can I have in Natalyas room so she doesnt hear it? I had the AC in the summer bit now what?MelindaMommy of Marlycia 9 mnths, Natalya 23 mnthsScranton, PA____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

October 15, 2009

Oh good I'm not alone. I'm a meanie too TashaMommy of 4 year old twin boys- and Fort Worth, TexasSeries of 6 casts for 14 months and now in a night brace. is treated at Texas ish Rite Hospital.You can read 's story at....http://www.infantilescoliosis.org/stories.htmlFrom: poohlvr To: infantile_scoliosis Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 12:40:45 PMSubject: Re: Suggestions??

LOL, Tasha. I responded about crying it out too before I saw this and wondered if I might get flamed for it. I am a big ol' meanie and let both of mine CIO.

Noelle (12-2-01)

Ian (8-15-04)

From: Tasha Fontenot <ryanswalkyahoo (DOT) com>To: infantile_scoliosis @yahoogroups. comSent: Thu, October 15, 2009 11:56:53 AMSubject: Re: [infantile_scoliosi s] Suggestions? ?

Melinda,Sorry about the sleepless nights. Not getting sound sleep can really make things bad. As far as noise for Natalya's room they make white noise machines. I do not have one, but have friends(adults) that can only sleep with one. We do not have ceiling fans now in the boys room, but as babies they did have one. So right now they both sleep with a small oscillating fan all through the night.Now as far as her waking up and wanting to be fed. I may not get lots of love for this, but I would nip it in the bud. Let her cry about it.She is old enough to know you will wake up and give her a bottle. This is coming from a mom who made a midnight feeder because he would not eat during the day. Long story short he had laryngomalacia( floppy esophagus)so it was hard for him to swallow/eat. It may

sound

mean, but she is not hungry....right? Just wanting to be soothed and the bottle is doing it. You have made her schedule so she is just going along with it. I did the same with .Its hard being a mom.Congrats on the brace results!!

TashaMommy of 4 year old twin boys- and Fort Worth, TexasSeries of 6 casts for 14 months and now in a night brace. is treated at Texas ish Rite Hospital.You can read 's story at....http://www.infantil escoliosis. org/stories. html

From: melindalee95 <mindylee1verizon (DOT) net>To: infantile_scoliosis @yahoogroups. comSent: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:30:27 AMSubject: [infantile_scoliosi s] Suggestions? ?

Hi all, So I'm in need of some advice. Marlycia was sleeping thru the night since she was 10 wks old. When she turned 7 mnths, she started waking up for bottles again. So I gave in for a while then I let her 'cry it out'. She cried for three nights and started sleeping thru again. I feel like she is capable of going until 6am w/out a bottle b/c shes done it for so long. Now, when she got her brace on, she started waking up again and of course to comfort her, I gave her a bottle. Its getting worse every night. Now shes waking every 2-3 hrs!!! I'm exhausted and shes waking up Natalya. All our bedrooms are so close together, everyone can hear everything. So my issue now is, do I keep giving in to her? Shes 9 mnths old and I dont want her to think this is ok b/c I'll be taking the bottle away completely by the time shes 12/13 mnths. I know shes not in pain b/c she goes back to sleep after the bottle (which I am holding b/c she cant yet). So, I

need to let her cry it out, right? What kind of noise can I have in Natalyas room so she doesnt hear it? I had the AC in the summer bit now what?MelindaMommy of Marlycia 9 mnths, Natalya 23 mnthsScranton, PA____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

October 15, 2009

I would rock her w/o a bottle and also use the sound items that everyone else has suggested. You have to break her of the night bottle or you will be doing it for a long time and remember, when she is 1, she won't take a bottle at all, so better to break her of the night bottle now. What about a pacifier, I know that is just another crutch, but it's something she can grab herself while in the crib. Just a thought. Joanmom to Hayden 2 1/233 degrees1st cast down from 62 degrees Treated at ish Rite Hospital Dallas, TX

To: infantile_scoliosis Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:56:17 AMSubject: Re: Suggestions??

Melinda,

My son sleeps to the sound of a vaporizor every night and it works great. Or a fan facing away from her would work good too. Any sort of "white noise" works great.

As far as the bottle feeding goes, maybe try to feed her a little more in the evenings? Do you give her a bottle right before bed? We used to feed Isaiah a bottle of formula mixed with rice cereal in the bottle before bed and that held him over til morning. If she still wakes up try to just rock her w/o the bottle and see how that works.

Hope it gets better!

From: melindalee95 <mindylee1verizon (DOT) net>Subject: [infantile_scoliosi s] Suggestions? ?To: infantile_scoliosis @yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 10:30 AM

Hi all, So I'm in need of some advice. Marlycia was sleeping thru the night since she was 10 wks old. When she turned 7 mnths, she started waking up for bottles again. So I gave in for a while then I let her 'cry it out'. She cried for three nights and started sleeping thru again. I feel like she is capable of going until 6am w/out a bottle b/c shes done it for so long. Now, when she got her brace on, she started waking up again and of course to comfort her, I gave her a bottle. Its getting worse every night. Now shes waking every 2-3 hrs!!! I'm exhausted and shes waking up Natalya. All our bedrooms are so close together, everyone can hear everything. So my issue now is, do I keep giving in to her? Shes 9 mnths old and I dont want her to think this is ok b/c I'll be taking the bottle away completely by the time shes 12/13 mnths. I know shes not in pain b/c she goes back to sleep after the bottle (which I am holding b/c she cant yet). So, I

need to let her cry it out, right? What kind of noise can I have in Natalyas room so she doesnt hear it? I had the AC in the summer bit now what?MelindaMommy of Marlycia 9 mnths, Natalya 23 mnthsScranton, PA

October 15, 2009

I would rock her w/o a bottle and also use the sound items that everyone else has suggested. You have to break her of the night bottle or you will be doing it for a long time and remember, when she is 1, she won't take a bottle at all, so better to break her of the night bottle now. What about a pacifier, I know that is just another crutch, but it's something she can grab herself while in the crib. Just a thought. Joanmom to Hayden 2 1/233 degrees1st cast down from 62 degrees Treated at ish Rite Hospital Dallas, TX

To: infantile_scoliosis Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:56:17 AMSubject: Re: Suggestions??

Melinda,

My son sleeps to the sound of a vaporizor every night and it works great. Or a fan facing away from her would work good too. Any sort of "white noise" works great.

As far as the bottle feeding goes, maybe try to feed her a little more in the evenings? Do you give her a bottle right before bed? We used to feed Isaiah a bottle of formula mixed with rice cereal in the bottle before bed and that held him over til morning. If she still wakes up try to just rock her w/o the bottle and see how that works.

Hope it gets better!

From: melindalee95 <mindylee1verizon (DOT) net>Subject: [infantile_scoliosi s] Suggestions? ?To: infantile_scoliosis @yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 10:30 AM

Hi all, So I'm in need of some advice. Marlycia was sleeping thru the night since she was 10 wks old. When she turned 7 mnths, she started waking up for bottles again. So I gave in for a while then I let her 'cry it out'. She cried for three nights and started sleeping thru again. I feel like she is capable of going until 6am w/out a bottle b/c shes done it for so long. Now, when she got her brace on, she started waking up again and of course to comfort her, I gave her a bottle. Its getting worse every night. Now shes waking every 2-3 hrs!!! I'm exhausted and shes waking up Natalya. All our bedrooms are so close together, everyone can hear everything. So my issue now is, do I keep giving in to her? Shes 9 mnths old and I dont want her to think this is ok b/c I'll be taking the bottle away completely by the time shes 12/13 mnths. I know shes not in pain b/c she goes back to sleep after the bottle (which I am holding b/c she cant yet). So, I

need to let her cry it out, right? What kind of noise can I have in Natalyas room so she doesnt hear it? I had the AC in the summer bit now what?MelindaMommy of Marlycia 9 mnths, Natalya 23 mnthsScranton, PA

October 15, 2009

I would rock her w/o a bottle and also use the sound items that everyone else has suggested. You have to break her of the night bottle or you will be doing it for a long time and remember, when she is 1, she won't take a bottle at all, so better to break her of the night bottle now. What about a pacifier, I know that is just another crutch, but it's something she can grab herself while in the crib. Just a thought. Joanmom to Hayden 2 1/233 degrees1st cast down from 62 degrees Treated at ish Rite Hospital Dallas, TX

To: infantile_scoliosis Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:56:17 AMSubject: Re: Suggestions??

Melinda,

My son sleeps to the sound of a vaporizor every night and it works great. Or a fan facing away from her would work good too. Any sort of "white noise" works great.

As far as the bottle feeding goes, maybe try to feed her a little more in the evenings? Do you give her a bottle right before bed? We used to feed Isaiah a bottle of formula mixed with rice cereal in the bottle before bed and that held him over til morning. If she still wakes up try to just rock her w/o the bottle and see how that works.

Hope it gets better!

From: melindalee95 <mindylee1verizon (DOT) net>Subject: [infantile_scoliosi s] Suggestions? ?To: infantile_scoliosis @yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 10:30 AM

Hi all, So I'm in need of some advice. Marlycia was sleeping thru the night since she was 10 wks old. When she turned 7 mnths, she started waking up for bottles again. So I gave in for a while then I let her 'cry it out'. She cried for three nights and started sleeping thru again. I feel like she is capable of going until 6am w/out a bottle b/c shes done it for so long. Now, when she got her brace on, she started waking up again and of course to comfort her, I gave her a bottle. Its getting worse every night. Now shes waking every 2-3 hrs!!! I'm exhausted and shes waking up Natalya. All our bedrooms are so close together, everyone can hear everything. So my issue now is, do I keep giving in to her? Shes 9 mnths old and I dont want her to think this is ok b/c I'll be taking the bottle away completely by the time shes 12/13 mnths. I know shes not in pain b/c she goes back to sleep after the bottle (which I am holding b/c she cant yet). So, I

need to let her cry it out, right? What kind of noise can I have in Natalyas room so she doesnt hear it? I had the AC in the summer bit now what?MelindaMommy of Marlycia 9 mnths, Natalya 23 mnthsScranton, PA

October 15, 2009

I agree with Tasha, she is going to continue to cry for it as long as you keep giving it to her. If you stop, she will stop as well. Joanmom to Hayden 2 1/233 degrees1st cast down from 62 degrees Treated at ish Rite Hospital Dallas, TX

To: infantile_scoliosis Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:56:53 AMSubject: Re: Suggestions??

Melinda,Sorry about the sleepless nights. Not getting sound sleep can really make things bad. As far as noise for Natalya's room they make white noise machines. I do not have one, but have friends(adults) that can only sleep with one. We do not have ceiling fans now in the boys room, but as babies they did have one. So right now they both sleep with a small oscillating fan all through the night.Now as far as her waking up and wanting to be fed. I may not get lots of love for this, but I would nip it in the bud. Let her cry about it.She is old enough to know you will wake up and give her a bottle. This is coming from a mom who made a midnight feeder because he would not eat during the day. Long story short he had laryngomalacia( floppy esophagus)so it was hard for him to swallow/eat. It may sound

mean, but she is not hungry....right? Just wanting to be soothed and the bottle is doing it. You have made her schedule so she is just going along with it. I did the same with .Its hard being a mom.Congrats on the brace results!!

TashaMommy of 4 year old twin boys- and Fort Worth, TexasSeries of 6 casts for 14 months and now in a night brace. is treated at Texas ish Rite Hospital.You can read 's story at....http://www.infantil escoliosis. org/stories. html

From: melindalee95 <mindylee1verizon (DOT) net>To: infantile_scoliosis @yahoogroups. comSent: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:30:27 AMSubject: [infantile_scoliosi s] Suggestions? ?

Hi all, So I'm in need of some advice. Marlycia was sleeping thru the night since she was 10 wks old. When she turned 7 mnths, she started waking up for bottles again. So I gave in for a while then I let her 'cry it out'. She cried for three nights and started sleeping thru again. I feel like she is capable of going until 6am w/out a bottle b/c shes done it for so long. Now, when she got her brace on, she started waking up again and of course to comfort her, I gave her a bottle. Its getting worse every night. Now shes waking every 2-3 hrs!!! I'm exhausted and shes waking up Natalya. All our bedrooms are so close together, everyone can hear everything. So my issue now is, do I keep giving in to her? Shes 9 mnths old and I dont want her to think this is ok b/c I'll be taking the bottle away completely by the time shes 12/13 mnths. I know shes not in pain b/c she goes back to sleep after the bottle (which I am holding b/c she cant yet). So, I

need to let her cry it out, right? What kind of noise can I have in Natalyas room so she doesnt hear it? I had the AC in the summer bit now what?MelindaMommy of Marlycia 9 mnths, Natalya 23 mnthsScranton, PA____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

October 15, 2009