Guest guest Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 UPDATE: I finally go a hold of someone in Dr. Lucy Kormeier's office. She prefers synthetics but has respected patients wishes with regards to natural thyroid. However, she does does based on labs rather than symptoms. Too bad she's not for me but maybe knowing this about her will help someone who was considering seeing her. I'll update if/when I get a hold of the other docs office. > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors - both are > in Houston, TX? > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier > Dr. Brown > > I believe both are endocrinologists. > > Thanks, > Misty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 Look in our links on Doctors That Prescribe Armour. Re: Doctors in Houston > I don't feel I NEED to see an endo. I contacted my GP Dr. Bond who > was mentioned on a top doc list and he referred me to these two. I > think that a lot of GP's will automatically send you to an endo > being that they are suppose to be specialized in these sort of > things. If you or anyone else knows of a primary care physician who > treats symptoms instead of labs (even when labs appear to be hyper), > aggressively looks into adrenals and puts stock in cellular > resistance (undertreated T4 only for 23 years)then I'd love to have > their name. > > Thanks, > misty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 Look in our links on Doctors That Prescribe Armour. Re: Doctors in Houston > I don't feel I NEED to see an endo. I contacted my GP Dr. Bond who > was mentioned on a top doc list and he referred me to these two. I > think that a lot of GP's will automatically send you to an endo > being that they are suppose to be specialized in these sort of > things. If you or anyone else knows of a primary care physician who > treats symptoms instead of labs (even when labs appear to be hyper), > aggressively looks into adrenals and puts stock in cellular > resistance (undertreated T4 only for 23 years)then I'd love to have > their name. > > Thanks, > misty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 Look in our links on Doctors That Prescribe Armour. Re: Doctors in Houston > I don't feel I NEED to see an endo. I contacted my GP Dr. Bond who > was mentioned on a top doc list and he referred me to these two. I > think that a lot of GP's will automatically send you to an endo > being that they are suppose to be specialized in these sort of > things. If you or anyone else knows of a primary care physician who > treats symptoms instead of labs (even when labs appear to be hyper), > aggressively looks into adrenals and puts stock in cellular > resistance (undertreated T4 only for 23 years)then I'd love to have > their name. > > Thanks, > misty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 There is only a handful of docs in the whole state who will treat with normal numbers. Email me privately if you want their names. mistynicole1019 wrote: I don't feel I NEED to see an endo. I contacted my GP Dr. Bond who was mentioned on a top doc list and he referred me to these two. I think that a lot of GP's will automatically send you to an endo being that they are suppose to be specialized in these sort of things. If you or anyone else knows of a primary care physician who treats symptoms instead of labs (even when labs appear to be hyper), aggressively looks into adrenals and puts stock in cellular resistance (undertreated T4 only for 23 years)then I'd love to have their name.Thanks,mistyDoes anyone know anything about either of these doctors - both are > in Houston, TX?> > Dr. Lucy Kormeier> Dr. Brown> > I believe both are endocrinologists.> > Thanks,> Misty> > > ---------------------------------> Do you Yahoo!?> Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 There is only a handful of docs in the whole state who will treat with normal numbers. Email me privately if you want their names. mistynicole1019 wrote: I don't feel I NEED to see an endo. I contacted my GP Dr. Bond who was mentioned on a top doc list and he referred me to these two. I think that a lot of GP's will automatically send you to an endo being that they are suppose to be specialized in these sort of things. If you or anyone else knows of a primary care physician who treats symptoms instead of labs (even when labs appear to be hyper), aggressively looks into adrenals and puts stock in cellular resistance (undertreated T4 only for 23 years)then I'd love to have their name.Thanks,mistyDoes anyone know anything about either of these doctors - both are > in Houston, TX?> > Dr. Lucy Kormeier> Dr. Brown> > I believe both are endocrinologists.> > Thanks,> Misty> > > ---------------------------------> Do you Yahoo!?> Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 There is only a handful of docs in the whole state who will treat with normal numbers. Email me privately if you want their names. mistynicole1019 wrote: I don't feel I NEED to see an endo. I contacted my GP Dr. Bond who was mentioned on a top doc list and he referred me to these two. I think that a lot of GP's will automatically send you to an endo being that they are suppose to be specialized in these sort of things. If you or anyone else knows of a primary care physician who treats symptoms instead of labs (even when labs appear to be hyper), aggressively looks into adrenals and puts stock in cellular resistance (undertreated T4 only for 23 years)then I'd love to have their name.Thanks,mistyDoes anyone know anything about either of these doctors - both are > in Houston, TX?> > Dr. Lucy Kormeier> Dr. Brown> > I believe both are endocrinologists.> > Thanks,> Misty> > > ---------------------------------> Do you Yahoo!?> Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 You are correct about Lucy Kormeier treating labs, not symptoms. She was the first to run a Free T3 on me and even prescribed cytomel because I was in the low normal Free T3 range. BUT when my TSH became suppressed and my Free T3 was at mid-point, she would only consider decreasing my dose even though I was still tired and showing hypo symptoms. She absolutely refused to run a ferritin test because " that is my primary doctor's job, not hers " and said that my problems were not caused by being hypo. I moved on to another doctor, switched from Synthroid/Cytomel to a higher dosage of Armour, and feel much better. Jill > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors - both are > > in Houston, TX? > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier > > Dr. Brown > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists. > > > > Thanks, > > Misty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 You are correct about Lucy Kormeier treating labs, not symptoms. She was the first to run a Free T3 on me and even prescribed cytomel because I was in the low normal Free T3 range. BUT when my TSH became suppressed and my Free T3 was at mid-point, she would only consider decreasing my dose even though I was still tired and showing hypo symptoms. She absolutely refused to run a ferritin test because " that is my primary doctor's job, not hers " and said that my problems were not caused by being hypo. I moved on to another doctor, switched from Synthroid/Cytomel to a higher dosage of Armour, and feel much better. Jill > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors - both are > > in Houston, TX? > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier > > Dr. Brown > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists. > > > > Thanks, > > Misty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 You are correct about Lucy Kormeier treating labs, not symptoms. She was the first to run a Free T3 on me and even prescribed cytomel because I was in the low normal Free T3 range. BUT when my TSH became suppressed and my Free T3 was at mid-point, she would only consider decreasing my dose even though I was still tired and showing hypo symptoms. She absolutely refused to run a ferritin test because " that is my primary doctor's job, not hers " and said that my problems were not caused by being hypo. I moved on to another doctor, switched from Synthroid/Cytomel to a higher dosage of Armour, and feel much better. Jill > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors - both are > > in Houston, TX? > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier > > Dr. Brown > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists. > > > > Thanks, > > Misty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Who is the doc you switched to?? Are you happy with them?? Will he/she increase/decrease meds based on symptoms regardless of what the labs say? You are small ray of hope in an otherwise cloudy day/week! Thanks, misty > > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors - both > are > > > in Houston, TX? > > > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier > > > Dr. Brown > > > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Misty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Who is the doc you switched to?? Are you happy with them?? Will he/she increase/decrease meds based on symptoms regardless of what the labs say? You are small ray of hope in an otherwise cloudy day/week! Thanks, misty > > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors - both > are > > > in Houston, TX? > > > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier > > > Dr. Brown > > > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Misty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Who is the doc you switched to?? Are you happy with them?? Will he/she increase/decrease meds based on symptoms regardless of what the labs say? You are small ray of hope in an otherwise cloudy day/week! Thanks, misty > > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors - both > are > > > in Houston, TX? > > > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier > > > Dr. Brown > > > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Misty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 I switched to a local Internist. I was happy for a while because he listened to what I had to say and worked with me. But my TSH has become even more suppressed at zero even though my Free T3 is at Midpoint and Free T4 is at the top of the range. He tried to show me some article that said a suppressed TSH was dangerous and I told him that I did not agree - that only the FT3 and FT4 matter. He told me to go visit with Dr. Petak. I agreed in his office, but then I checked out the posts here and found that Dr. Petak is a TSH worshipper so I didn't waste my time going to see him. I am currently debating whether to spend $350 to see Dr. Borochoff or just medicate on my own. I have prescriptions for about 6 months more so I don't have to make a decision until then. I have to admit that I am leaning toward medicating on my own. Have finally figured out that 3 grains of Armour puts me about right on T3 and just above normal on T4 so am currently experimenting with cutting the Armour to 2 1/2 grains and adding 5 mg of Cytomel (I already had from a previous prescription). I have learned how to order my own medicine and my own labs so I am not sure it is worth the money and time to see a doctor. I feel pretty good at this point. I know this is heresy, but I am just so fed up with doctors. This local doctor was my fourth inside of a year. I agree with Jan - there are only a handful of doctors that will treat when the TSH is suppressed. I am so thankful for this site that gives me some guidance in this health lottery. Sorry to rain on your day. I don't understand why it is so tough to get this thing treated correctly. It wasn't that way 40 years ago. My TSH was suppressed back then and my family doctor did a great job of taking care of my thyroid. Maybe someday it will swing back the other way. Jill -- In Texas_Thyroid_Groups , " mistynicole1019 " <EarthAngel_1019@h...> wrote: > Who is the doc you switched to?? Are you happy with them?? Will > he/she increase/decrease meds based on symptoms regardless of what > the labs say? You are small ray of hope in an otherwise cloudy > day/week! > > Thanks, > misty > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors - both > > are > > > > in Houston, TX? > > > > > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier > > > > Dr. Brown > > > > > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Misty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 I switched to a local Internist. I was happy for a while because he listened to what I had to say and worked with me. But my TSH has become even more suppressed at zero even though my Free T3 is at Midpoint and Free T4 is at the top of the range. He tried to show me some article that said a suppressed TSH was dangerous and I told him that I did not agree - that only the FT3 and FT4 matter. He told me to go visit with Dr. Petak. I agreed in his office, but then I checked out the posts here and found that Dr. Petak is a TSH worshipper so I didn't waste my time going to see him. I am currently debating whether to spend $350 to see Dr. Borochoff or just medicate on my own. I have prescriptions for about 6 months more so I don't have to make a decision until then. I have to admit that I am leaning toward medicating on my own. Have finally figured out that 3 grains of Armour puts me about right on T3 and just above normal on T4 so am currently experimenting with cutting the Armour to 2 1/2 grains and adding 5 mg of Cytomel (I already had from a previous prescription). I have learned how to order my own medicine and my own labs so I am not sure it is worth the money and time to see a doctor. I feel pretty good at this point. I know this is heresy, but I am just so fed up with doctors. This local doctor was my fourth inside of a year. I agree with Jan - there are only a handful of doctors that will treat when the TSH is suppressed. I am so thankful for this site that gives me some guidance in this health lottery. Sorry to rain on your day. I don't understand why it is so tough to get this thing treated correctly. It wasn't that way 40 years ago. My TSH was suppressed back then and my family doctor did a great job of taking care of my thyroid. Maybe someday it will swing back the other way. Jill -- In Texas_Thyroid_Groups , " mistynicole1019 " <EarthAngel_1019@h...> wrote: > Who is the doc you switched to?? Are you happy with them?? Will > he/she increase/decrease meds based on symptoms regardless of what > the labs say? You are small ray of hope in an otherwise cloudy > day/week! > > Thanks, > misty > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors - both > > are > > > > in Houston, TX? > > > > > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier > > > > Dr. Brown > > > > > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Misty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 I switched to a local Internist. I was happy for a while because he listened to what I had to say and worked with me. But my TSH has become even more suppressed at zero even though my Free T3 is at Midpoint and Free T4 is at the top of the range. He tried to show me some article that said a suppressed TSH was dangerous and I told him that I did not agree - that only the FT3 and FT4 matter. He told me to go visit with Dr. Petak. I agreed in his office, but then I checked out the posts here and found that Dr. Petak is a TSH worshipper so I didn't waste my time going to see him. I am currently debating whether to spend $350 to see Dr. Borochoff or just medicate on my own. I have prescriptions for about 6 months more so I don't have to make a decision until then. I have to admit that I am leaning toward medicating on my own. Have finally figured out that 3 grains of Armour puts me about right on T3 and just above normal on T4 so am currently experimenting with cutting the Armour to 2 1/2 grains and adding 5 mg of Cytomel (I already had from a previous prescription). I have learned how to order my own medicine and my own labs so I am not sure it is worth the money and time to see a doctor. I feel pretty good at this point. I know this is heresy, but I am just so fed up with doctors. This local doctor was my fourth inside of a year. I agree with Jan - there are only a handful of doctors that will treat when the TSH is suppressed. I am so thankful for this site that gives me some guidance in this health lottery. Sorry to rain on your day. I don't understand why it is so tough to get this thing treated correctly. It wasn't that way 40 years ago. My TSH was suppressed back then and my family doctor did a great job of taking care of my thyroid. Maybe someday it will swing back the other way. Jill -- In Texas_Thyroid_Groups , " mistynicole1019 " <EarthAngel_1019@h...> wrote: > Who is the doc you switched to?? Are you happy with them?? Will > he/she increase/decrease meds based on symptoms regardless of what > the labs say? You are small ray of hope in an otherwise cloudy > day/week! > > Thanks, > misty > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors - both > > are > > > > in Houston, TX? > > > > > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier > > > > Dr. Brown > > > > > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Misty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Yeah, Don't waste your time with Dr. P. First of all they'll send you into his nurse practitioner's office. That's a waste! She referred to me as being a marathon runner (3 miles 3 times a week). That's her excuse for me having low blood pressure and a low heart beat. Don't waste your time. You would think after 17 years in that office that they would learn to deal with women and their thyroids.....But they haven't figured mine out! LYNN At 01:56 PM 7/22/2004 +0000, you wrote: >I switched to a local Internist. I was happy for a while because he >listened to what I had to say and worked with me. But my TSH has >become even more suppressed at zero even though my Free T3 is at >Midpoint and Free T4 is at the top of the range. He tried to show me >some article that said a suppressed TSH was dangerous and I told him >that I did not agree - that only the FT3 and FT4 matter. He told me >to go visit with Dr. Petak. I agreed in his office, but then I >checked out the posts here and found that Dr. Petak is a TSH >worshipper so I didn't waste my time going to see him. > >I am currently debating whether to spend $350 to see Dr. Borochoff or >just medicate on my own. I have prescriptions for about 6 months more >so I don't have to make a decision until then. I have to admit that I >am leaning toward medicating on my own. Have finally figured out that >3 grains of Armour puts me about right on T3 and just above normal on >T4 so am currently experimenting with cutting the Armour to 2 1/2 >grains and adding 5 mg of Cytomel (I already had from a previous >prescription). I have learned how to order my own medicine and my >own labs so I am not sure it is worth the money and time to see a >doctor. I feel pretty good at this point. I know this is heresy, but >I am just so fed up with doctors. This local doctor was my fourth >inside of a year. I agree with Jan - there are only a handful of >doctors that will treat when the TSH is suppressed. I am so thankful >for this site that gives me some guidance in this health lottery. > >Sorry to rain on your day. I don't understand why it is so tough to >get this thing treated correctly. It wasn't that way 40 years ago. My >TSH was suppressed back then and my family doctor did a great job of >taking care of my thyroid. Maybe someday it will swing back the other >way. > >Jill > >-- In Texas_Thyroid_Groups , " mistynicole1019 " ><EarthAngel_1019@h...> wrote: > > Who is the doc you switched to?? Are you happy with them?? Will > > he/she increase/decrease meds based on symptoms regardless of what > > the labs say? You are small ray of hope in an otherwise cloudy > > day/week! > > > > Thanks, > > misty > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors - >both > > > are > > > > > in Houston, TX? > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier > > > > > Dr. Brown > > > > > > > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Misty > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Yeah, Don't waste your time with Dr. P. First of all they'll send you into his nurse practitioner's office. That's a waste! She referred to me as being a marathon runner (3 miles 3 times a week). That's her excuse for me having low blood pressure and a low heart beat. Don't waste your time. You would think after 17 years in that office that they would learn to deal with women and their thyroids.....But they haven't figured mine out! LYNN At 01:56 PM 7/22/2004 +0000, you wrote: >I switched to a local Internist. I was happy for a while because he >listened to what I had to say and worked with me. But my TSH has >become even more suppressed at zero even though my Free T3 is at >Midpoint and Free T4 is at the top of the range. He tried to show me >some article that said a suppressed TSH was dangerous and I told him >that I did not agree - that only the FT3 and FT4 matter. He told me >to go visit with Dr. Petak. I agreed in his office, but then I >checked out the posts here and found that Dr. Petak is a TSH >worshipper so I didn't waste my time going to see him. > >I am currently debating whether to spend $350 to see Dr. Borochoff or >just medicate on my own. I have prescriptions for about 6 months more >so I don't have to make a decision until then. I have to admit that I >am leaning toward medicating on my own. Have finally figured out that >3 grains of Armour puts me about right on T3 and just above normal on >T4 so am currently experimenting with cutting the Armour to 2 1/2 >grains and adding 5 mg of Cytomel (I already had from a previous >prescription). I have learned how to order my own medicine and my >own labs so I am not sure it is worth the money and time to see a >doctor. I feel pretty good at this point. I know this is heresy, but >I am just so fed up with doctors. This local doctor was my fourth >inside of a year. I agree with Jan - there are only a handful of >doctors that will treat when the TSH is suppressed. I am so thankful >for this site that gives me some guidance in this health lottery. > >Sorry to rain on your day. I don't understand why it is so tough to >get this thing treated correctly. It wasn't that way 40 years ago. My >TSH was suppressed back then and my family doctor did a great job of >taking care of my thyroid. Maybe someday it will swing back the other >way. > >Jill > >-- In Texas_Thyroid_Groups , " mistynicole1019 " ><EarthAngel_1019@h...> wrote: > > Who is the doc you switched to?? Are you happy with them?? Will > > he/she increase/decrease meds based on symptoms regardless of what > > the labs say? You are small ray of hope in an otherwise cloudy > > day/week! > > > > Thanks, > > misty > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors - >both > > > are > > > > > in Houston, TX? > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier > > > > > Dr. Brown > > > > > > > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Misty > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Ditto - don't waste your time or money. I only wasted 5 years. I have a pit tumor and thyroid problems. And I have suppressed TSH (has been for years despite levels of meds)- sometimes that was fine with him - sometimes it wasn't - you never knew going in what would be the case. The other thyroid #'s didn't change that much so I could never understand his reasoning and he certainly didn't like me questioning him. He's now into the Policitics of the AACE BIGTIME - he's the VP or Treasurer now (can't remember which) so he is one of the ones who makes fun of us that have internet support groups and learning from one another. He's of the mind that no one but the endos know anything and if you get info off the internet - you're a nutcase. At my last visit, I brought an article to him from Endotext.org and copies out of the Text of Endochronogy (they use that in Med school). Anyway he made a HUGE point of trying to find out what sites and where on the internet I went for my information. I refused to list any sites other then Endotext and Thyroidmanager.org. But he made a very big deal out of it. He was really pressing!! I think he got the NP as he is more into lecturing, research, & AACE then he is into practicing medicine at this point in his life. Last time I was there, when Sirpa was trying to schedule my followup - whole months were blocked off of his schedule where he is out of the office - it has been like that for the past couple of years. Hee hee, marathon runner - my bp is 90/60 and my heart rate is also low - I am a certified Phd. in couch potatoness. Run - what's that??? What would she say about that?? I also have low am/pm cortisol. He also refused to do the ACTH test on me - my PCP wanted it done. He didn't use the excuse he used with you though. He flat out told me that I was barking up the wrong tree - only 's and Cushings exist and I had neither. He never tests without the morning cortisol being at least a 5. So he just gave you an excuse - pure and simple. To him there is no such thing as adrenal fatigue or insufficiency. Even though it does list it in the Medical texts - that is what I copied out of the Text and took to him. He is the God Emperior and if he doesn't think of it first - forgetaboutit. I am hoping for more action out of the new Endo on Aug 4th, and if not, then I do have the hydrocortisone and I will try self medicating myself to see if that helps and also will try uping my armour a while after that. I have heard that one of Petak's partners is better then he is - but can't remember which one. If the name comes to me I will post it. But as I've been there, I don't think it would be PC to switch within the practice. Maybe after a few years??? Janie Re: Re: Doctors in Houston Yeah, Don't waste your time with Dr. P. First of all they'll send you into his nurse practitioner's office.That's a waste! She referred to me as being a marathon runner (3 miles 3 times a week). That's herexcuse for me having low blood pressure and a low heart beat.Don't waste your time. You would think after 17 years in that office that they would learn to deal withwomen and their thyroids.....But they haven't figured mine out!LYNNAt 01:56 PM 7/22/2004 +0000, you wrote:>I switched to a local Internist. I was happy for a while because he>listened to what I had to say and worked with me. But my TSH has>become even more suppressed at zero even though my Free T3 is at>Midpoint and Free T4 is at the top of the range. He tried to show me>some article that said a suppressed TSH was dangerous and I told him>that I did not agree - that only the FT3 and FT4 matter. He told me>to go visit with Dr. Petak. I agreed in his office, but then I>checked out the posts here and found that Dr. Petak is a TSH>worshipper so I didn't waste my time going to see him.>>I am currently debating whether to spend $350 to see Dr. Borochoff or>just medicate on my own. I have prescriptions for about 6 months more>so I don't have to make a decision until then. I have to admit that I>am leaning toward medicating on my own. Have finally figured out that>3 grains of Armour puts me about right on T3 and just above normal on>T4 so am currently experimenting with cutting the Armour to 2 1/2>grains and adding 5 mg of Cytomel (I already had from a previous>prescription). I have learned how to order my own medicine and my>own labs so I am not sure it is worth the money and time to see a>doctor. I feel pretty good at this point. I know this is heresy, but>I am just so fed up with doctors. This local doctor was my fourth>inside of a year. I agree with Jan - there are only a handful of>doctors that will treat when the TSH is suppressed. I am so thankful>for this site that gives me some guidance in this health lottery.>>Sorry to rain on your day. I don't understand why it is so tough to>get this thing treated correctly. It wasn't that way 40 years ago. My>TSH was suppressed back then and my family doctor did a great job of>taking care of my thyroid. Maybe someday it will swing back the other>way.>>Jill>>-- In Texas_Thyroid_Groups , "mistynicole1019"><EarthAngel_1019@h...> wrote:> > Who is the doc you switched to?? Are you happy with them?? Will> > he/she increase/decrease meds based on symptoms regardless of what> > the labs say? You are small ray of hope in an otherwise cloudy> > day/week!> >> > Thanks,> > misty> >> > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors ->both> > > are> > > > > in Houston, TX?> > > > >> > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier> > > > > Dr. Brown> > > > >> > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > > Misty>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Ditto - don't waste your time or money. I only wasted 5 years. I have a pit tumor and thyroid problems. And I have suppressed TSH (has been for years despite levels of meds)- sometimes that was fine with him - sometimes it wasn't - you never knew going in what would be the case. The other thyroid #'s didn't change that much so I could never understand his reasoning and he certainly didn't like me questioning him. He's now into the Policitics of the AACE BIGTIME - he's the VP or Treasurer now (can't remember which) so he is one of the ones who makes fun of us that have internet support groups and learning from one another. He's of the mind that no one but the endos know anything and if you get info off the internet - you're a nutcase. At my last visit, I brought an article to him from Endotext.org and copies out of the Text of Endochronogy (they use that in Med school). Anyway he made a HUGE point of trying to find out what sites and where on the internet I went for my information. I refused to list any sites other then Endotext and Thyroidmanager.org. But he made a very big deal out of it. He was really pressing!! I think he got the NP as he is more into lecturing, research, & AACE then he is into practicing medicine at this point in his life. Last time I was there, when Sirpa was trying to schedule my followup - whole months were blocked off of his schedule where he is out of the office - it has been like that for the past couple of years. Hee hee, marathon runner - my bp is 90/60 and my heart rate is also low - I am a certified Phd. in couch potatoness. Run - what's that??? What would she say about that?? I also have low am/pm cortisol. He also refused to do the ACTH test on me - my PCP wanted it done. He didn't use the excuse he used with you though. He flat out told me that I was barking up the wrong tree - only 's and Cushings exist and I had neither. He never tests without the morning cortisol being at least a 5. So he just gave you an excuse - pure and simple. To him there is no such thing as adrenal fatigue or insufficiency. Even though it does list it in the Medical texts - that is what I copied out of the Text and took to him. He is the God Emperior and if he doesn't think of it first - forgetaboutit. I am hoping for more action out of the new Endo on Aug 4th, and if not, then I do have the hydrocortisone and I will try self medicating myself to see if that helps and also will try uping my armour a while after that. I have heard that one of Petak's partners is better then he is - but can't remember which one. If the name comes to me I will post it. But as I've been there, I don't think it would be PC to switch within the practice. Maybe after a few years??? Janie Re: Re: Doctors in Houston Yeah, Don't waste your time with Dr. P. First of all they'll send you into his nurse practitioner's office.That's a waste! She referred to me as being a marathon runner (3 miles 3 times a week). That's herexcuse for me having low blood pressure and a low heart beat.Don't waste your time. You would think after 17 years in that office that they would learn to deal withwomen and their thyroids.....But they haven't figured mine out!LYNNAt 01:56 PM 7/22/2004 +0000, you wrote:>I switched to a local Internist. I was happy for a while because he>listened to what I had to say and worked with me. But my TSH has>become even more suppressed at zero even though my Free T3 is at>Midpoint and Free T4 is at the top of the range. He tried to show me>some article that said a suppressed TSH was dangerous and I told him>that I did not agree - that only the FT3 and FT4 matter. He told me>to go visit with Dr. Petak. I agreed in his office, but then I>checked out the posts here and found that Dr. Petak is a TSH>worshipper so I didn't waste my time going to see him.>>I am currently debating whether to spend $350 to see Dr. Borochoff or>just medicate on my own. I have prescriptions for about 6 months more>so I don't have to make a decision until then. I have to admit that I>am leaning toward medicating on my own. Have finally figured out that>3 grains of Armour puts me about right on T3 and just above normal on>T4 so am currently experimenting with cutting the Armour to 2 1/2>grains and adding 5 mg of Cytomel (I already had from a previous>prescription). I have learned how to order my own medicine and my>own labs so I am not sure it is worth the money and time to see a>doctor. I feel pretty good at this point. I know this is heresy, but>I am just so fed up with doctors. This local doctor was my fourth>inside of a year. I agree with Jan - there are only a handful of>doctors that will treat when the TSH is suppressed. I am so thankful>for this site that gives me some guidance in this health lottery.>>Sorry to rain on your day. I don't understand why it is so tough to>get this thing treated correctly. It wasn't that way 40 years ago. My>TSH was suppressed back then and my family doctor did a great job of>taking care of my thyroid. Maybe someday it will swing back the other>way.>>Jill>>-- In Texas_Thyroid_Groups , "mistynicole1019"><EarthAngel_1019@h...> wrote:> > Who is the doc you switched to?? Are you happy with them?? Will> > he/she increase/decrease meds based on symptoms regardless of what> > the labs say? You are small ray of hope in an otherwise cloudy> > day/week!> >> > Thanks,> > misty> >> > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors ->both> > > are> > > > > in Houston, TX?> > > > >> > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier> > > > > Dr. Brown> > > > >> > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > > Misty>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Oh - what I was able to find out about the NP in Petak's office. He will personally see all first time patients himself After that all will see the NP - if he feels they are "stable" patients (guess he considers you this Lynn - even though you have problems still) All what he feels are "complicated" cases he will still personally handle. This are the cases he can write up papers on - make more of a name for himself - that is my opinion on the last sentence. So patients beware - unless you have a rare disorder - ie Cushings, 's, or something worth studing you are likely to just see the NP. He will not be seeing run of the mill Hashimoto's or Hypothyroid patients. Janie Re: Re: Doctors in Houston Yeah, Don't waste your time with Dr. P. First of all they'll send you into his nurse practitioner's office.That's a waste! She referred to me as being a marathon runner (3 miles 3 times a week). That's herexcuse for me having low blood pressure and a low heart beat.Don't waste your time. You would think after 17 years in that office that they would learn to deal withwomen and their thyroids.....But they haven't figured mine out!LYNNAt 01:56 PM 7/22/2004 +0000, you wrote:>I switched to a local Internist. I was happy for a while because he>listened to what I had to say and worked with me. But my TSH has>become even more suppressed at zero even though my Free T3 is at>Midpoint and Free T4 is at the top of the range. He tried to show me>some article that said a suppressed TSH was dangerous and I told him>that I did not agree - that only the FT3 and FT4 matter. He told me>to go visit with Dr. Petak. I agreed in his office, but then I>checked out the posts here and found that Dr. Petak is a TSH>worshipper so I didn't waste my time going to see him.>>I am currently debating whether to spend $350 to see Dr. Borochoff or>just medicate on my own. I have prescriptions for about 6 months more>so I don't have to make a decision until then. I have to admit that I>am leaning toward medicating on my own. Have finally figured out that>3 grains of Armour puts me about right on T3 and just above normal on>T4 so am currently experimenting with cutting the Armour to 2 1/2>grains and adding 5 mg of Cytomel (I already had from a previous>prescription). I have learned how to order my own medicine and my>own labs so I am not sure it is worth the money and time to see a>doctor. I feel pretty good at this point. I know this is heresy, but>I am just so fed up with doctors. This local doctor was my fourth>inside of a year. I agree with Jan - there are only a handful of>doctors that will treat when the TSH is suppressed. I am so thankful>for this site that gives me some guidance in this health lottery.>>Sorry to rain on your day. I don't understand why it is so tough to>get this thing treated correctly. It wasn't that way 40 years ago. My>TSH was suppressed back then and my family doctor did a great job of>taking care of my thyroid. Maybe someday it will swing back the other>way.>>Jill>>-- In Texas_Thyroid_Groups , "mistynicole1019"><EarthAngel_1019@h...> wrote:> > Who is the doc you switched to?? Are you happy with them?? Will> > he/she increase/decrease meds based on symptoms regardless of what> > the labs say? You are small ray of hope in an otherwise cloudy> > day/week!> >> > Thanks,> > misty> >> > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors ->both> > > are> > > > > in Houston, TX?> > > > >> > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier> > > > > Dr. Brown> > > > >> > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > > Misty>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Oh - what I was able to find out about the NP in Petak's office. He will personally see all first time patients himself After that all will see the NP - if he feels they are "stable" patients (guess he considers you this Lynn - even though you have problems still) All what he feels are "complicated" cases he will still personally handle. This are the cases he can write up papers on - make more of a name for himself - that is my opinion on the last sentence. So patients beware - unless you have a rare disorder - ie Cushings, 's, or something worth studing you are likely to just see the NP. He will not be seeing run of the mill Hashimoto's or Hypothyroid patients. Janie Re: Re: Doctors in Houston Yeah, Don't waste your time with Dr. P. First of all they'll send you into his nurse practitioner's office.That's a waste! She referred to me as being a marathon runner (3 miles 3 times a week). That's herexcuse for me having low blood pressure and a low heart beat.Don't waste your time. You would think after 17 years in that office that they would learn to deal withwomen and their thyroids.....But they haven't figured mine out!LYNNAt 01:56 PM 7/22/2004 +0000, you wrote:>I switched to a local Internist. I was happy for a while because he>listened to what I had to say and worked with me. But my TSH has>become even more suppressed at zero even though my Free T3 is at>Midpoint and Free T4 is at the top of the range. He tried to show me>some article that said a suppressed TSH was dangerous and I told him>that I did not agree - that only the FT3 and FT4 matter. He told me>to go visit with Dr. Petak. I agreed in his office, but then I>checked out the posts here and found that Dr. Petak is a TSH>worshipper so I didn't waste my time going to see him.>>I am currently debating whether to spend $350 to see Dr. Borochoff or>just medicate on my own. I have prescriptions for about 6 months more>so I don't have to make a decision until then. I have to admit that I>am leaning toward medicating on my own. Have finally figured out that>3 grains of Armour puts me about right on T3 and just above normal on>T4 so am currently experimenting with cutting the Armour to 2 1/2>grains and adding 5 mg of Cytomel (I already had from a previous>prescription). I have learned how to order my own medicine and my>own labs so I am not sure it is worth the money and time to see a>doctor. I feel pretty good at this point. I know this is heresy, but>I am just so fed up with doctors. This local doctor was my fourth>inside of a year. I agree with Jan - there are only a handful of>doctors that will treat when the TSH is suppressed. I am so thankful>for this site that gives me some guidance in this health lottery.>>Sorry to rain on your day. I don't understand why it is so tough to>get this thing treated correctly. It wasn't that way 40 years ago. My>TSH was suppressed back then and my family doctor did a great job of>taking care of my thyroid. Maybe someday it will swing back the other>way.>>Jill>>-- In Texas_Thyroid_Groups , "mistynicole1019"><EarthAngel_1019@h...> wrote:> > Who is the doc you switched to?? Are you happy with them?? Will> > he/she increase/decrease meds based on symptoms regardless of what> > the labs say? You are small ray of hope in an otherwise cloudy> > day/week!> >> > Thanks,> > misty> >> > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about either of these doctors ->both> > > are> > > > > in Houston, TX?> > > > >> > > > > Dr. Lucy Kormeier> > > > > Dr. Brown> > > > >> > > > > I believe both are endocrinologists.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > > Misty>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Jill What is heresy is that doctors are so afraid to treat outside the box that has been given them, or the box they choose to keep their thyroid patients in. I'm self treating for that reason, lack of insurance, and funds. My Free T3 is a little over the top (at least it was as of the last week of May; I don't go for testing with HealthCheck til late August or so), but the Free T4 is 1.2 in a range that goes to 1.8, and I am taking Armour only also. That shows you how individual all our body chemistries are, and that noone can be put in a box. I think you're doing good, in your case, to add the T3 to the mix. What you won't know til testing is whether this may set you back on T3, instead of forward. 30 mgs of Armour has 4.5 mcgs of T3 in it, which you are losing. With 5 mcgs of T3, you are simply replacing that much, not adding to it. I'm guessing that the reason you are doing it this way is to cut back the readings on the T4? If you're feeling wonderful, why change it. If you're not, then I can see it, unless you think you could stand to feel better. Re: Doctors in Houston > I switched to a local Internist. I was happy for a while because he > listened to what I had to say and worked with me. But my TSH has > become even more suppressed at zero even though my Free T3 is at > Midpoint and Free T4 is at the top of the range. He tried to show me > some article that said a suppressed TSH was dangerous and I told him > that I did not agree - that only the FT3 and FT4 matter. He told me > to go visit with Dr. Petak. I agreed in his office, but then I > checked out the posts here and found that Dr. Petak is a TSH > worshipper so I didn't waste my time going to see him. > > I am currently debating whether to spend $350 to see Dr. Borochoff or > just medicate on my own. I have prescriptions for about 6 months more > so I don't have to make a decision until then. I have to admit that I > am leaning toward medicating on my own. Have finally figured out that > 3 grains of Armour puts me about right on T3 and just above normal on > T4 so am currently experimenting with cutting the Armour to 2 1/2 > grains and adding 5 mg of Cytomel (I already had from a previous > prescription). I have learned how to order my own medicine and my > own labs so I am not sure it is worth the money and time to see a > doctor. I feel pretty good at this point. I know this is heresy, but > I am just so fed up with doctors. This local doctor was my fourth > inside of a year. I agree with Jan - there are only a handful of > doctors that will treat when the TSH is suppressed. I am so thankful > for this site that gives me some guidance in this health lottery. > > Sorry to rain on your day. I don't understand why it is so tough to > get this thing treated correctly. It wasn't that way 40 years ago. My > TSH was suppressed back then and my family doctor did a great job of > taking care of my thyroid. Maybe someday it will swing back the other > way. > > Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Jill What is heresy is that doctors are so afraid to treat outside the box that has been given them, or the box they choose to keep their thyroid patients in. I'm self treating for that reason, lack of insurance, and funds. My Free T3 is a little over the top (at least it was as of the last week of May; I don't go for testing with HealthCheck til late August or so), but the Free T4 is 1.2 in a range that goes to 1.8, and I am taking Armour only also. That shows you how individual all our body chemistries are, and that noone can be put in a box. I think you're doing good, in your case, to add the T3 to the mix. What you won't know til testing is whether this may set you back on T3, instead of forward. 30 mgs of Armour has 4.5 mcgs of T3 in it, which you are losing. With 5 mcgs of T3, you are simply replacing that much, not adding to it. I'm guessing that the reason you are doing it this way is to cut back the readings on the T4? If you're feeling wonderful, why change it. If you're not, then I can see it, unless you think you could stand to feel better. Re: Doctors in Houston > I switched to a local Internist. I was happy for a while because he > listened to what I had to say and worked with me. But my TSH has > become even more suppressed at zero even though my Free T3 is at > Midpoint and Free T4 is at the top of the range. He tried to show me > some article that said a suppressed TSH was dangerous and I told him > that I did not agree - that only the FT3 and FT4 matter. He told me > to go visit with Dr. Petak. I agreed in his office, but then I > checked out the posts here and found that Dr. Petak is a TSH > worshipper so I didn't waste my time going to see him. > > I am currently debating whether to spend $350 to see Dr. Borochoff or > just medicate on my own. I have prescriptions for about 6 months more > so I don't have to make a decision until then. I have to admit that I > am leaning toward medicating on my own. Have finally figured out that > 3 grains of Armour puts me about right on T3 and just above normal on > T4 so am currently experimenting with cutting the Armour to 2 1/2 > grains and adding 5 mg of Cytomel (I already had from a previous > prescription). I have learned how to order my own medicine and my > own labs so I am not sure it is worth the money and time to see a > doctor. I feel pretty good at this point. I know this is heresy, but > I am just so fed up with doctors. This local doctor was my fourth > inside of a year. I agree with Jan - there are only a handful of > doctors that will treat when the TSH is suppressed. I am so thankful > for this site that gives me some guidance in this health lottery. > > Sorry to rain on your day. I don't understand why it is so tough to > get this thing treated correctly. It wasn't that way 40 years ago. My > TSH was suppressed back then and my family doctor did a great job of > taking care of my thyroid. Maybe someday it will swing back the other > way. > > Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Jill What is heresy is that doctors are so afraid to treat outside the box that has been given them, or the box they choose to keep their thyroid patients in. I'm self treating for that reason, lack of insurance, and funds. My Free T3 is a little over the top (at least it was as of the last week of May; I don't go for testing with HealthCheck til late August or so), but the Free T4 is 1.2 in a range that goes to 1.8, and I am taking Armour only also. That shows you how individual all our body chemistries are, and that noone can be put in a box. I think you're doing good, in your case, to add the T3 to the mix. What you won't know til testing is whether this may set you back on T3, instead of forward. 30 mgs of Armour has 4.5 mcgs of T3 in it, which you are losing. With 5 mcgs of T3, you are simply replacing that much, not adding to it. I'm guessing that the reason you are doing it this way is to cut back the readings on the T4? If you're feeling wonderful, why change it. If you're not, then I can see it, unless you think you could stand to feel better. Re: Doctors in Houston > I switched to a local Internist. I was happy for a while because he > listened to what I had to say and worked with me. But my TSH has > become even more suppressed at zero even though my Free T3 is at > Midpoint and Free T4 is at the top of the range. He tried to show me > some article that said a suppressed TSH was dangerous and I told him > that I did not agree - that only the FT3 and FT4 matter. He told me > to go visit with Dr. Petak. I agreed in his office, but then I > checked out the posts here and found that Dr. Petak is a TSH > worshipper so I didn't waste my time going to see him. > > I am currently debating whether to spend $350 to see Dr. Borochoff or > just medicate on my own. I have prescriptions for about 6 months more > so I don't have to make a decision until then. I have to admit that I > am leaning toward medicating on my own. Have finally figured out that > 3 grains of Armour puts me about right on T3 and just above normal on > T4 so am currently experimenting with cutting the Armour to 2 1/2 > grains and adding 5 mg of Cytomel (I already had from a previous > prescription). I have learned how to order my own medicine and my > own labs so I am not sure it is worth the money and time to see a > doctor. I feel pretty good at this point. I know this is heresy, but > I am just so fed up with doctors. This local doctor was my fourth > inside of a year. I agree with Jan - there are only a handful of > doctors that will treat when the TSH is suppressed. I am so thankful > for this site that gives me some guidance in this health lottery. > > Sorry to rain on your day. I don't understand why it is so tough to > get this thing treated correctly. It wasn't that way 40 years ago. My > TSH was suppressed back then and my family doctor did a great job of > taking care of my thyroid. Maybe someday it will swing back the other > way. > > Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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