Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Hi Mel, Yes I think we have all in the last thirty or so years seen too many examples of parents who were too controlling in terms of food and then find their children end up with emotional difficulties around food. To some people I may be too relaxed but like Mel and Madeline I do think it is safer to err on this side than too strict in the long term. Nothing’s perfect. Personally I try to say very little and focus more on making food they enjoy and feel good on. All the best, Simon Yes, but a different sort of eating disorder develops from strong restriction or an over emphasis on food - I have seen early macro kids - sneak and steal food, go mad for sugar and junk outside the home, develop feelings of guilt around eating any food, obsess about what to eat and what not to eat, never feel relaxed to enjoy a meal. As they got older, then alcohol became a big thing plus smoking pot. I wouldn't call that a healthy direction. Children do need to feel free to experiment and if it is done with acceptance and an openess then there is a lack of need/obsession - if you strongly restrict children or keep telling them how bad certain foods are they will do it behind your back and way worse. When we lived in Portugal, wine was part of daily life. We would allow the kids to have a sip now and again. Some people might think that was an awful thing to do. However, in American which is over the top when it comes to not drinking, teenagers go mad to drink - stealing from parents, neighbors and friends parents - going to the woods and really drinking huge amounts. I know this first hand from my kids friends. College is ripe with alcoholic behavior. My kids enjoy a glass of wine here and there - maybe a bit more at a party but none of them have a huge attraction to it. They also saw how to enjoy just one glass with a meal amongst friends and family. When fear and judgement are taken out of eating, then obssesive behavior is lessened. Children are wise and if you help then to understand how food makes them feel without putting good or bad into the equation, I feel it makes a big difference. All traditional cultures had daily food and then special dishes for festive occasions. I do feel it is important for kids to understand that some foods are for special times - we have our own special dishes for the seasonal holidays which we look forward to - they don't have to be the same as anyone else. It is always a bit difficult to write about raising children because in reality things change and in writing it appears rather absolute and rigid. I often find that if I strongly state something, a situation comes along to knock my view out of the water - quite funny really - can't think of a good example at the moment. Anyway I do think it is important to be open and flexible when it comes to raising children - very different from being weak and wishy washy - boundaries are vital of course - routines are also very important. Parenting is on-going and every learning. Blessings Re: Here it is ...the topic I've been avoiding until now! > > what did you pay her? KIDDING. >How sweet and thank you for your response, it's always great to hear >storied from one who has grown up in this lifestyle. > >One comment on the eating disorder thing, it's more about control and >starving oneself is like " I can do it, I am stronger than the food " >more so than my mother wouldn't let me have ice cream so here watch >me inhale 10 gallons.......... >Overweight children are so because of the disposible society, >convenience food, lack of physical activity and sitting in front of >the tv while eating. Foods are loaded with sugar, oil, salt and in >large quantities. > >Reggie > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Wister, >> >> >> >> You'll have to get used to people being upset when you say >something >> >> IS what it IS. We're in a world where people feel safe behind >words >> >> like " circumcision " , " abortion " , " medicating " .. rather than just >> >> saying what it is. Mutilating, altering, etc.. Killing and >sucking >> >> out life, etc. Drugging our children and getting them stoned, >etc.. >> >> Why don't we just call a spade a spade? Because the people >involved >> >> in the actions say that when you just say what it IS that they >do, >> >> you're being judgemental. >> >> >> >> When my children say, " Mom!! The kids across the street >are " salting a >> >> slug! Can we have some salt? " , I reply, " What? ..OH!! You >MEAN, 'The >> >> kids across the street are pouring salt onto a slug and >torturing it, >> >> and causing pain and suffering? Can I torture it as well?' Is >that >> >> what you meant? " Their eyes open wide(see the importance of >those >> >> words), and they are suddenly shaking their heads and >saying, " No. I >> >> don't want to. " >> >> >> >> Truth is truth and saying exactly what something IS, is very >powerful >> >> and helps people to Awaken and pull out of their slumber, >reevaluate >> >> their actions and bring themselves to a Higher Minded level of >> >> thinking. Constantly trying to make people cozy and >comfortable with >> >> side-stepping words keeps everyone in a state of hypnosis and >> >> stagnance. Complacency is a dangerous thing, and keeps us from >> >> evolving. >> >> >> >> I can think of few things more healthy for our well-being than >always >> >> stating the facts exactly as they are, and then let us judge >ourselves >> >> according to the Truths. I insist on being blatantly honest >about >> >> every single issue with my kids. The girls tell me they love >it. For >> >> example, ..My four year old reached for some Coca-cola at a >party. >> >> She wanted me to pour it for her, pleading, " Mommy, can I have >some >> >> Coke? " I got down to her level and whispered, " You mean, you >want the >> >> drink with the chemicals and drugs? I don't think that's the >best >> >> thing for your beautiful body, hon.. " Even my four year old >knows >> >> what drugs and chemicals are, because when I feed them, I pass >them >> >> their food and say things like, " Here ya go girls! I've got >some >> >> fruit for you, with Vit. C, to help you fight off cold and >germs, and >> >> here's some beans, with protein, etc. Here's your pure water, >to keep >> >> you hydrated, ..here's your cereal, with lots of fiber to help >you >> >> poo! .. " They're absolutely thrilled to know the Truth and >details >> >> about everything and it helps them to make educated/intelligent >> >> choices when I'm not with them. >> >> >> >> I'd encourage everyone to keep your children's Eyes Open by >always >> >> being completely honest with them about everything. This young >> >> generation is so advanced and ready for Truth. They will help >move us >> >> forward at lightning speed if we do our part and simply be open >with >> >> them. Don't drug them. Don't give them political nonsense >words. >> >> Don't white-wash even the mistakes you make. Even when I do >unhealthy >> >> things or make poor choices, I tell them that is exactly what >I'm >> >> doing, " I'm making a poor choice right now, because I'm feeling >weak, >> >> etc. " or " I did this or that, because I wasn't tuned in to the >Spirit >> >> and was behaving selfishly. " >> >> >> >> I hope most can understand the importance of what I'm saying. >We want >> >> the generations to come to use the concepts of macrobiotics, >yin and >> >> yang, and spirituality through every aspect of their lives, >because it >> >> will make them healthy and FREE. We need to be respectful of >where >> >> others stand, but, a spade is a spade and it isn't being mean >to call >> >> it so. >> >> >> >> amy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> Brown Waxman >> www.celebrate4health.com >> www.bebabywise.com >> info@... >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q & A. >> > > Brown Waxman www.celebrate4health.com www.bebabywise.com info@... <mailto:info%40celebrate4health.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Hi Mel, Yes I think we have all in the last thirty or so years seen too many examples of parents who were too controlling in terms of food and then find their children end up with emotional difficulties around food. To some people I may be too relaxed but like Mel and Madeline I do think it is safer to err on this side than too strict in the long term. Nothing’s perfect. Personally I try to say very little and focus more on making food they enjoy and feel good on. All the best, Simon Yes, but a different sort of eating disorder develops from strong restriction or an over emphasis on food - I have seen early macro kids - sneak and steal food, go mad for sugar and junk outside the home, develop feelings of guilt around eating any food, obsess about what to eat and what not to eat, never feel relaxed to enjoy a meal. As they got older, then alcohol became a big thing plus smoking pot. I wouldn't call that a healthy direction. Children do need to feel free to experiment and if it is done with acceptance and an openess then there is a lack of need/obsession - if you strongly restrict children or keep telling them how bad certain foods are they will do it behind your back and way worse. When we lived in Portugal, wine was part of daily life. We would allow the kids to have a sip now and again. Some people might think that was an awful thing to do. However, in American which is over the top when it comes to not drinking, teenagers go mad to drink - stealing from parents, neighbors and friends parents - going to the woods and really drinking huge amounts. I know this first hand from my kids friends. College is ripe with alcoholic behavior. My kids enjoy a glass of wine here and there - maybe a bit more at a party but none of them have a huge attraction to it. They also saw how to enjoy just one glass with a meal amongst friends and family. When fear and judgement are taken out of eating, then obssesive behavior is lessened. Children are wise and if you help then to understand how food makes them feel without putting good or bad into the equation, I feel it makes a big difference. All traditional cultures had daily food and then special dishes for festive occasions. I do feel it is important for kids to understand that some foods are for special times - we have our own special dishes for the seasonal holidays which we look forward to - they don't have to be the same as anyone else. It is always a bit difficult to write about raising children because in reality things change and in writing it appears rather absolute and rigid. I often find that if I strongly state something, a situation comes along to knock my view out of the water - quite funny really - can't think of a good example at the moment. Anyway I do think it is important to be open and flexible when it comes to raising children - very different from being weak and wishy washy - boundaries are vital of course - routines are also very important. Parenting is on-going and every learning. Blessings Re: Here it is ...the topic I've been avoiding until now! > > what did you pay her? KIDDING. >How sweet and thank you for your response, it's always great to hear >storied from one who has grown up in this lifestyle. > >One comment on the eating disorder thing, it's more about control and >starving oneself is like " I can do it, I am stronger than the food " >more so than my mother wouldn't let me have ice cream so here watch >me inhale 10 gallons.......... >Overweight children are so because of the disposible society, >convenience food, lack of physical activity and sitting in front of >the tv while eating. Foods are loaded with sugar, oil, salt and in >large quantities. > >Reggie > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Wister, >> >> >> >> You'll have to get used to people being upset when you say >something >> >> IS what it IS. We're in a world where people feel safe behind >words >> >> like " circumcision " , " abortion " , " medicating " .. rather than just >> >> saying what it is. Mutilating, altering, etc.. Killing and >sucking >> >> out life, etc. Drugging our children and getting them stoned, >etc.. >> >> Why don't we just call a spade a spade? Because the people >involved >> >> in the actions say that when you just say what it IS that they >do, >> >> you're being judgemental. >> >> >> >> When my children say, " Mom!! The kids across the street >are " salting a >> >> slug! Can we have some salt? " , I reply, " What? ..OH!! You >MEAN, 'The >> >> kids across the street are pouring salt onto a slug and >torturing it, >> >> and causing pain and suffering? Can I torture it as well?' Is >that >> >> what you meant? " Their eyes open wide(see the importance of >those >> >> words), and they are suddenly shaking their heads and >saying, " No. I >> >> don't want to. " >> >> >> >> Truth is truth and saying exactly what something IS, is very >powerful >> >> and helps people to Awaken and pull out of their slumber, >reevaluate >> >> their actions and bring themselves to a Higher Minded level of >> >> thinking. Constantly trying to make people cozy and >comfortable with >> >> side-stepping words keeps everyone in a state of hypnosis and >> >> stagnance. Complacency is a dangerous thing, and keeps us from >> >> evolving. >> >> >> >> I can think of few things more healthy for our well-being than >always >> >> stating the facts exactly as they are, and then let us judge >ourselves >> >> according to the Truths. I insist on being blatantly honest >about >> >> every single issue with my kids. The girls tell me they love >it. For >> >> example, ..My four year old reached for some Coca-cola at a >party. >> >> She wanted me to pour it for her, pleading, " Mommy, can I have >some >> >> Coke? " I got down to her level and whispered, " You mean, you >want the >> >> drink with the chemicals and drugs? I don't think that's the >best >> >> thing for your beautiful body, hon.. " Even my four year old >knows >> >> what drugs and chemicals are, because when I feed them, I pass >them >> >> their food and say things like, " Here ya go girls! I've got >some >> >> fruit for you, with Vit. C, to help you fight off cold and >germs, and >> >> here's some beans, with protein, etc. Here's your pure water, >to keep >> >> you hydrated, ..here's your cereal, with lots of fiber to help >you >> >> poo! .. " They're absolutely thrilled to know the Truth and >details >> >> about everything and it helps them to make educated/intelligent >> >> choices when I'm not with them. >> >> >> >> I'd encourage everyone to keep your children's Eyes Open by >always >> >> being completely honest with them about everything. This young >> >> generation is so advanced and ready for Truth. They will help >move us >> >> forward at lightning speed if we do our part and simply be open >with >> >> them. Don't drug them. Don't give them political nonsense >words. >> >> Don't white-wash even the mistakes you make. Even when I do >unhealthy >> >> things or make poor choices, I tell them that is exactly what >I'm >> >> doing, " I'm making a poor choice right now, because I'm feeling >weak, >> >> etc. " or " I did this or that, because I wasn't tuned in to the >Spirit >> >> and was behaving selfishly. " >> >> >> >> I hope most can understand the importance of what I'm saying. >We want >> >> the generations to come to use the concepts of macrobiotics, >yin and >> >> yang, and spirituality through every aspect of their lives, >because it >> >> will make them healthy and FREE. We need to be respectful of >where >> >> others stand, but, a spade is a spade and it isn't being mean >to call >> >> it so. >> >> >> >> amy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> Brown Waxman >> www.celebrate4health.com >> www.bebabywise.com >> info@... >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q & A. >> > > Brown Waxman www.celebrate4health.com www.bebabywise.com info@... <mailto:info%40celebrate4health.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 and Simon - A thought that keeps going in my head is how much are we in control and how much are we still part of what we were given - the old nature/nurture stuff - all your advice on letting kids be free to choose who they are makes alot of sense - but if someone say is aggressive, because that is what they learned in their own home, they must first work on themselves, before they can give over other things to their kids. And that's only level one - then there is the mixture of the mate, what they had as kids, how much they have worked on freeing themselves or are they still stuck, and most likely passing it down. then lastly, is the mix of both parents, how they work together, complement or create more tensions The philosophies are all very nice, but I feel to be a good parent, one must first work on themselves - can't tell a kid be honest, and then try to cheat on taxes - tho always easier to see what's wrong with others, harder with self. I remember reading so so many wonderful child rearing books and nodding my head in total agreement, but when it came down to real life, I often did what I swore I wouldn't do. That's why I do appreciate mb, it gives a direction on changing. as far as direction - thank you both for your responses. don't know if it's a male/female thing, but was specific and I could follow - Simon, you're a lot like a rabbi, leaving it up to me to figure out - well, that's a lot of self-reflecting - that I don't think I can do now - got to get back to cleaning more cabinets - but I will let it stew on the back burner. Many thanks for all interesting posts. Dottie and , yes, I do recognize the yangness in me - and I also have been giving up lots of activities so I can focus more and go more gently into life - just not used to being home quite so much - and doing just one thing - well, perhaps I'm not ready for that - so I eat and write - but now back to work Klara"Simon G. Brown" wrote: Hi Mel,Yes I think we have all in the last thirty or so years seen too many examples of parents who were too controlling in terms of food and then find their children end up with emotional difficulties around food. To some people I may be too relaxed but like Mel and Madeline I do think it is safer to err on this side than too strict in the long term. Nothing’s perfect.Personally I try to say very little and focus more on making food they enjoy and feel good on.All the best,SimonOn 21/3/07 11:10, "" <mel528earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: Yes, but a different sort of eating disorder develops from strong restriction or an over emphasis on food - I have seen early macro kids - sneak and steal food, go mad for sugar and junk outside the home, develop feelings of guilt around eating any food, obsess about what to eat and what not to eat, never feel relaxed to enjoy a meal. As they got older, then alcohol became a big thing plus smoking pot. I wouldn't call that a healthy direction. Children do need to feel free to experiment and if it is done with acceptance and an openess then there is a lack of need/obsession - if you strongly restrict children or keep telling them how bad certain foods are they will do it behind your back and way worse.When we lived in Portugal, wine was part of daily life. We would allow the kids to have a sip now and again. Some people might think that was an awful thing to do. However, in American which is over the top when it comes to not drinking, teenagers go mad to drink - stealing from parents, neighbors and friends parents - going to the woods and really drinking huge amounts. I know this first hand from my kids friends. College is ripe with alcoholic behavior. My kids enjoy a glass of wine here and there - maybe a bit more at a party but none of them have a huge attraction to it. They also saw how to enjoy just one glass with a meal amongst friends and family.When fear and judgement are taken out of eating, then obssesive behavior is lessened. Children are wise and if you help then to understand how food makes them feel without putting good or bad into the equation, I feel it makes a big difference. All traditional cultures had daily food and then special dishes for festive occasions. I do feel it is important for kids to understand that some foods are for special times - we have our own special dishes for the seasonal holidays which we look forward to - they don't have to be the same as anyone else.It is always a bit difficult to write about raising children because in reality things change and in writing it appears rather absolute and rigid. I often find that if I strongly state something, a situation comes along to knock my view out of the water - quite funny really - can't think of a good example at the moment.Anyway I do think it is important to be open and flexible when it comes to raising children - very different from being weak and wishy washy - boundaries are vital of course - routines are also very important. Parenting is on-going and every learning.Blessings Re: Here it is ...the topic I've been avoiding until now!>> what did you pay her? KIDDING. >How sweet and thank you for your response, it's always great to hear >storied from one who has grown up in this lifestyle.>>One comment on the eating disorder thing, it's more about control and >starving oneself is like "I can do it, I am stronger than the food" >more so than my mother wouldn't let me have ice cream so here watch >me inhale 10 gallons..........>Overweight children are so because of the disposible society, >convenience food, lack of physical activity and sitting in front of >the tv while eating. Foods are loaded with sugar, oil, salt and in >large quantities.>>Reggie>>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Wister,>> >> >> >> You'll have to get used to people being upset when you say >something>> >> IS what it IS. We're in a world where people feel safe behind >words>> >> like "circumcision", "abortion", "medicating".. rather than just>> >> saying what it is. Mutilating, altering, etc.. Killing and >sucking>> >> out life, etc. Drugging our children and getting them stoned, >etc..>> >> Why don't we just call a spade a spade? Because the people >involved>> >> in the actions say that when you just say what it IS that they >do,>> >> you're being judgemental.>> >> >> >> When my children say, "Mom!! The kids across the street >are "salting a>> >> slug! Can we have some salt?", I reply, "What? ..OH!! You >MEAN, 'The>> >> kids across the street are pouring salt onto a slug and >torturing it,>> >> and causing pain and suffering? Can I torture it as well?' Is >that>> >> what you meant?" Their eyes open wide(see the importance of >those>> >> words), and they are suddenly shaking their heads and >saying, "No. I>> >> don't want to.">> >> >> >> Truth is truth and saying exactly what something IS, is very >powerful>> >> and helps people to Awaken and pull out of their slumber, >reevaluate>> >> their actions and bring themselves to a Higher Minded level of>> >> thinking. Constantly trying to make people cozy and >comfortable with>> >> side-stepping words keeps everyone in a state of hypnosis and>> >> stagnance. Complacency is a dangerous thing, and keeps us from>> >> evolving. >> >> >> >> I can think of few things more healthy for our well-being than >always>> >> stating the facts exactly as they are, and then let us judge >ourselves>> >> according to the Truths. I insist on being blatantly honest >about>> >> every single issue with my kids. The girls tell me they love >it. For>> >> example, ..My four year old reached for some Coca-cola at a >party.>> >> She wanted me to pour it for her, pleading, "Mommy, can I have >some>> >> Coke?" I got down to her level and whispered, "You mean, you >want the>> >> drink with the chemicals and drugs? I don't think that's the >best>> >> thing for your beautiful body, hon.." Even my four year old >knows>> >> what drugs and chemicals are, because when I feed them, I pass >them>> >> their food and say things like, "Here ya go girls! I've got >some>> >> fruit for you, with Vit. C, to help you fight off cold and >germs, and>> >> here's some beans, with protein, etc. Here's your pure water, >to keep>> >> you hydrated, ..here's your cereal, with lots of fiber to help >you>> >> poo! .." They're absolutely thrilled to know the Truth and >details>> >> about everything and it helps them to make educated/intelligent>> >> choices when I'm not with them.>> >> >> >> I'd encourage everyone to keep your children's Eyes Open by >always>> >> being completely honest with them about everything. This young>> >> generation is so advanced and ready for Truth. They will help >move us>> >> forward at lightning speed if we do our part and simply be open >with>> >> them. Don't drug them. Don't give them political nonsense >words.>> >> Don't white-wash even the mistakes you make. Even when I do >unhealthy>> >> things or make poor choices, I tell them that is exactly what >I'm>> >> doing, "I'm making a poor choice right now, because I'm feeling >weak,>> >> etc." or "I did this or that, because I wasn't tuned in to the >Spirit>> >> and was behaving selfishly.">> >> >> >> I hope most can understand the importance of what I'm saying. >We want>> >> the generations to come to use the concepts of macrobiotics, >yin and>> >> yang, and spirituality through every aspect of their lives, >because it>> >> will make them healthy and FREE. We need to be respectful of >where>> >> others stand, but, a spade is a spade and it isn't being mean >to call>> >> it so.>> >> >> >> amy>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >> Brown Waxman>> www.celebrate4health.com>> www.bebabywise.com>> info@...>> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------->> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate>> in the Yahoo! 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Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 and Simon - A thought that keeps going in my head is how much are we in control and how much are we still part of what we were given - the old nature/nurture stuff - all your advice on letting kids be free to choose who they are makes alot of sense - but if someone say is aggressive, because that is what they learned in their own home, they must first work on themselves, before they can give over other things to their kids. And that's only level one - then there is the mixture of the mate, what they had as kids, how much they have worked on freeing themselves or are they still stuck, and most likely passing it down. then lastly, is the mix of both parents, how they work together, complement or create more tensions The philosophies are all very nice, but I feel to be a good parent, one must first work on themselves - can't tell a kid be honest, and then try to cheat on taxes - tho always easier to see what's wrong with others, harder with self. I remember reading so so many wonderful child rearing books and nodding my head in total agreement, but when it came down to real life, I often did what I swore I wouldn't do. That's why I do appreciate mb, it gives a direction on changing. as far as direction - thank you both for your responses. don't know if it's a male/female thing, but was specific and I could follow - Simon, you're a lot like a rabbi, leaving it up to me to figure out - well, that's a lot of self-reflecting - that I don't think I can do now - got to get back to cleaning more cabinets - but I will let it stew on the back burner. Many thanks for all interesting posts. Dottie and , yes, I do recognize the yangness in me - and I also have been giving up lots of activities so I can focus more and go more gently into life - just not used to being home quite so much - and doing just one thing - well, perhaps I'm not ready for that - so I eat and write - but now back to work Klara"Simon G. Brown" wrote: Hi Mel,Yes I think we have all in the last thirty or so years seen too many examples of parents who were too controlling in terms of food and then find their children end up with emotional difficulties around food. To some people I may be too relaxed but like Mel and Madeline I do think it is safer to err on this side than too strict in the long term. Nothing’s perfect.Personally I try to say very little and focus more on making food they enjoy and feel good on.All the best,SimonOn 21/3/07 11:10, "" <mel528earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: Yes, but a different sort of eating disorder develops from strong restriction or an over emphasis on food - I have seen early macro kids - sneak and steal food, go mad for sugar and junk outside the home, develop feelings of guilt around eating any food, obsess about what to eat and what not to eat, never feel relaxed to enjoy a meal. As they got older, then alcohol became a big thing plus smoking pot. I wouldn't call that a healthy direction. Children do need to feel free to experiment and if it is done with acceptance and an openess then there is a lack of need/obsession - if you strongly restrict children or keep telling them how bad certain foods are they will do it behind your back and way worse.When we lived in Portugal, wine was part of daily life. We would allow the kids to have a sip now and again. Some people might think that was an awful thing to do. However, in American which is over the top when it comes to not drinking, teenagers go mad to drink - stealing from parents, neighbors and friends parents - going to the woods and really drinking huge amounts. I know this first hand from my kids friends. College is ripe with alcoholic behavior. My kids enjoy a glass of wine here and there - maybe a bit more at a party but none of them have a huge attraction to it. They also saw how to enjoy just one glass with a meal amongst friends and family.When fear and judgement are taken out of eating, then obssesive behavior is lessened. Children are wise and if you help then to understand how food makes them feel without putting good or bad into the equation, I feel it makes a big difference. All traditional cultures had daily food and then special dishes for festive occasions. I do feel it is important for kids to understand that some foods are for special times - we have our own special dishes for the seasonal holidays which we look forward to - they don't have to be the same as anyone else.It is always a bit difficult to write about raising children because in reality things change and in writing it appears rather absolute and rigid. I often find that if I strongly state something, a situation comes along to knock my view out of the water - quite funny really - can't think of a good example at the moment.Anyway I do think it is important to be open and flexible when it comes to raising children - very different from being weak and wishy washy - boundaries are vital of course - routines are also very important. Parenting is on-going and every learning.Blessings Re: Here it is ...the topic I've been avoiding until now!>> what did you pay her? KIDDING. >How sweet and thank you for your response, it's always great to hear >storied from one who has grown up in this lifestyle.>>One comment on the eating disorder thing, it's more about control and >starving oneself is like "I can do it, I am stronger than the food" >more so than my mother wouldn't let me have ice cream so here watch >me inhale 10 gallons..........>Overweight children are so because of the disposible society, >convenience food, lack of physical activity and sitting in front of >the tv while eating. Foods are loaded with sugar, oil, salt and in >large quantities.>>Reggie>>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Wister,>> >> >> >> You'll have to get used to people being upset when you say >something>> >> IS what it IS. We're in a world where people feel safe behind >words>> >> like "circumcision", "abortion", "medicating".. rather than just>> >> saying what it is. Mutilating, altering, etc.. Killing and >sucking>> >> out life, etc. Drugging our children and getting them stoned, >etc..>> >> Why don't we just call a spade a spade? Because the people >involved>> >> in the actions say that when you just say what it IS that they >do,>> >> you're being judgemental.>> >> >> >> When my children say, "Mom!! The kids across the street >are "salting a>> >> slug! Can we have some salt?", I reply, "What? ..OH!! You >MEAN, 'The>> >> kids across the street are pouring salt onto a slug and >torturing it,>> >> and causing pain and suffering? Can I torture it as well?' Is >that>> >> what you meant?" Their eyes open wide(see the importance of >those>> >> words), and they are suddenly shaking their heads and >saying, "No. I>> >> don't want to.">> >> >> >> Truth is truth and saying exactly what something IS, is very >powerful>> >> and helps people to Awaken and pull out of their slumber, >reevaluate>> >> their actions and bring themselves to a Higher Minded level of>> >> thinking. Constantly trying to make people cozy and >comfortable with>> >> side-stepping words keeps everyone in a state of hypnosis and>> >> stagnance. Complacency is a dangerous thing, and keeps us from>> >> evolving. >> >> >> >> I can think of few things more healthy for our well-being than >always>> >> stating the facts exactly as they are, and then let us judge >ourselves>> >> according to the Truths. I insist on being blatantly honest >about>> >> every single issue with my kids. The girls tell me they love >it. For>> >> example, ..My four year old reached for some Coca-cola at a >party.>> >> She wanted me to pour it for her, pleading, "Mommy, can I have >some>> >> Coke?" I got down to her level and whispered, "You mean, you >want the>> >> drink with the chemicals and drugs? I don't think that's the >best>> >> thing for your beautiful body, hon.." Even my four year old >knows>> >> what drugs and chemicals are, because when I feed them, I pass >them>> >> their food and say things like, "Here ya go girls! I've got >some>> >> fruit for you, with Vit. C, to help you fight off cold and >germs, and>> >> here's some beans, with protein, etc. Here's your pure water, >to keep>> >> you hydrated, ..here's your cereal, with lots of fiber to help >you>> >> poo! .." They're absolutely thrilled to know the Truth and >details>> >> about everything and it helps them to make educated/intelligent>> >> choices when I'm not with them.>> >> >> >> I'd encourage everyone to keep your children's Eyes Open by >always>> >> being completely honest with them about everything. This young>> >> generation is so advanced and ready for Truth. They will help >move us>> >> forward at lightning speed if we do our part and simply be open >with>> >> them. Don't drug them. Don't give them political nonsense >words.>> >> Don't white-wash even the mistakes you make. Even when I do >unhealthy>> >> things or make poor choices, I tell them that is exactly what >I'm>> >> doing, "I'm making a poor choice right now, because I'm feeling >weak,>> >> etc." or "I did this or that, because I wasn't tuned in to the >Spirit>> >> and was behaving selfishly.">> >> >> >> I hope most can understand the importance of what I'm saying. >We want>> >> the generations to come to use the concepts of macrobiotics, >yin and>> >> yang, and spirituality through every aspect of their lives, >because it>> >> will make them healthy and FREE. We need to be respectful of >where>> >> others stand, but, a spade is a spade and it isn't being mean >to call>> >> it so.>> >> >> >> amy>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >> Brown Waxman>> www.celebrate4health.com>> www.bebabywise.com>> info@...>> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------->> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate>> in the Yahoo! 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Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Hi Klara, I am not sure it is male / female. When we were children was always the better looking one, vastly superior in intelligence, more athletic, was more popular, voted England’s most desirable person, and more healthy. When the dear Lord gave out wisdom in our family ended up with all of it. It was quite hard growing up in the shadow of this super human but in the end I learnt to accept it and find my humble place in the world. Enjoy her. Oh where’s the prozac? Love, Simon and Simon - A thought that keeps going in my head is how much are we in control and how much are we still part of what we were given - the old nature/nurture stuff - all your advice on letting kids be free to choose who they are makes alot of sense - but if someone say is aggressive, because that is what they learned in their own home, they must first work on themselves, before they can give over other things to their kids. And that's only level one - then there is the mixture of the mate, what they had as kids, how much they have worked on freeing themselves or are they still stuck, and most likely passing it down. then lastly, is the mix of both parents, how they work together, complement or create more tensions The philosophies are all very nice, but I feel to be a good parent, one must first work on themselves - can't tell a kid be honest, and then try to cheat on taxes - tho always easier to see w! hat's wrong with others, harder with self. I remember reading so so many wonderful child rearing books and nodding my head in total agreement, but when it came down to real life, I often did what I swore I wouldn't do. That's why I do appreciate mb, it gives a direction on changing. as far as direction - thank you both for your responses. don't know if it's a male/female thing, but was specific and I could follow - Simon, you're a lot like a rabbi, leaving it up to me to figure out - well, that's a lot of self-reflecting - that I don't think I can do now - got to get back to cleaning more cabinets - but I will let it stew on the back burner. Many thanks for all interesting posts. Dottie and , yes, I do recognize the yangness in me - and I also have been giving up lots of activities so I can focus more and go more gently into life - just not used to being home quite so much - and doing just one thing - well, perhaps I'm not ready for that - so I eat and write - but now back to work Klara " Simon G. Brown " wrote: Hi Mel, Yes I think we have all in the last thirty or so years seen too many examples of parents who were too controlling in terms of food and then find their children end up with emotional difficulties around food. To some people I may be too relaxed but like Mel and Madeline I do think it is safer to err on this side than too strict in the long term. Nothing’s perfect. Personally I try to say very little and focus more on making food they enjoy and feel good on. All the best, Simon Yes, but a different sort of eating disorder develops from strong restriction or an over emphasis on food - I have seen early macro kids - sneak and steal food, go mad for sugar and junk outside the home, develop feelings of guilt around eating any food, obsess about what to eat and what not to eat, never feel relaxed to enjoy a meal. As they got older, then alcohol became a big thing plus smoking pot. I wouldn't call that a healthy direction. Children do need to feel free to experiment and if it is done with acceptance and an openess then there is a lack of need/obsession - if you strongly restrict children or keep telling them how bad certain foods are they will do it behind your back and way worse. When we lived in Portugal, wine was part of daily life. We would allow the kids to have a sip now and again. Some people might think that was an awful thing to do. However, in American which is over the top when it comes to not drinking, teenagers go mad to drink - stealing from parents, neighbors and friends parents - going to the woods and really drinking huge amounts. I know this first hand from my kids friends. College is ripe with alcoholic behavior. My kids enjoy a glass of wine here and there - maybe a bit more at a party but none of them have a huge attraction to it. They also saw how to enjoy just one glass with a meal amongst friends and family. When fear and judgement are taken out of eating, then obssesive behavior is lessened. Children are wise and if you help then to understand how food makes them feel without putting good or bad into the equation, I feel it makes a big difference. All traditional cultures had daily food and then special dishes for festive occasions. I do feel it is important for kids to understand that some foods are for special times - we have our own special dishes for the seasonal holidays which we look forward to - they don't have to be the same as anyone else. It is always a bit difficult to write about raising children because in reality things change and in writing it appears rather absolute and rigid. I often find that if I strongly state something, a situation comes along to knock my view out of the water - quite funny really - can't think of a good example at the moment. Anyway I do think it is important to be open and flexible when it comes to raising children - very different from being weak and wishy washy - boundaries are vital of course - routines are also very important. Parenting is on-going and every learning. Blessings Re: Here it is ...the topic I've been avoiding until now! > > what did you pay her? KIDDING. >How sweet and thank you for your response, it's always great to hear >storied from one who has grown up in this lifestyle. > >One comment on the eating disorder thing, it's more about control and >starving oneself is like " I can do it, I am stronger than the food " >more so than my mother wouldn't let me have ice cream so here watch >me inhale 10 gallons.......... >Overweight children are so because of the disposible society, >convenience food, lack of physical activity and sitting in front of >the tv while eating. Foods are loaded with sugar, oil, salt and in >large quantities. > >Reggie > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Wister, >> >> >> >> You'll have to get used to people being upset when you say >something >> >> IS what it IS. We're in a world where people feel safe behind >words >> >> like " circumcision " , " abortion " , " medicating " .. rather than just >> >> saying what it is. Mutilating, altering, ! etc.. Killing and >sucking >> >> out life, etc. Drugging our children and getting them stoned, >etc.. >> >> Why don't we just call a spade a spade? Because the people >involved >> >> in the actions say that when you just say what it IS that they >do, >> >> you're being judgemental. >> >> >> >> When my children say, " Mom!! The kids across the street >are " salting a >> >> slug! Can we have some salt? " , I reply, " What? ..OH!! You >MEAN, 'The >> >> kids across the street are pouring salt onto a slug and >torturing it, >> >> and causing pain and suffering? Can I torture it as well?' Is >that >> >> what you meant? " Their eyes open wide(see the importance of >those >> >> words), and they are suddenly shaking their heads and >saying, " No. I >> >> don't want to. " >> >> >> >> Truth is truth and saying exactly what something IS, is very >powerful >> >> and helps people to Awaken and pull out of their slumber, >reevaluate >> >> their actions and bring themselves to a Higher Minded level of >> >> thinking. Constantly trying to make people cozy and >comfortable with >> >> side-stepping words keeps everyone in a state of hypnosis and >> >> stagnance. Complacency is a dangerous thing, and keeps us from >> >> evolving. >> >> >> >> I can think of few things more healthy for our well-being than >always >> >> stating the facts exactly as they are, and then let us judge >ourselves >> >> according to the Truths. I insist on being blatantly honest >about >> >> every single issue with my kids. The girls tell me they love >it. For >> >> example, ..My four year old reached for some Coca-cola at a >party. >> >> She wanted me to pour it for her, pleading, " Mommy, can I have >some >> >> Coke? " I got down to her level and whispered, " You mean, you >want the >> >> drink with the chemicals and drugs? I don't think that's the >best >> >> thing for your beautiful body, hon.. " Even my four year old >knows >> >> what drugs and chemicals are, because when I feed them, I pass >them >> >> their food and say things like, " Here ya go girls! I've got >some >> >> fruit for you, with Vit. C, to help you fight off cold and >germs, and >> >> here's some beans, with protein, etc. Here's your pure water, >to keep >> >> you hydrated, ..here's your cereal, with lots of fiber to help >you >> >> poo! .. " They're absolutely thrilled to know the Truth and >details >> >> about everything and it helps them to make educated/intelligent >> >> choices when I'm not with them. >> >> >> >> I'd encourage everyone to keep your children's Eyes Open by >always >> >> being completely honest with them about everything. This young >> >> generation is so advanced and ready for Truth. They will help >move us >> >> forward at lightning speed if we do our part and simply be open >with >> >> them. Don't drug them. Don't give them political nonsense >words. >> >> Don't white-wash even the mistakes you make. Even when I do >unhealthy >> >> things or make poor choices, I tell them that is exactly what >I'm >> >> doing, " I'm making a poor choice right now, because I'm feeling >weak, >> >> etc. " or " I did this or that, because I wasn't tuned in to the >Spirit >> >> and was behaving selfishly. " >> >> >> >> I hope most can understand the importance of what I'm saying. >We want >> >> the generations to come to use the concepts of macrobiotics, >yin and >> >> yang, and spirituality through every aspect of their lives, >because it >> >> will make them healthy and FREE. We need to be respectful of >where >> >> others stand, but, a spade is a spade and it isn't being mean >to call >> >> it so. >> >> >> >> amy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> Brown Waxman >> www.celebrate4health.com >> www.bebabywise.com >> info@... >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q & A. >> > > Brown Waxman www.celebrate4health.com www.bebabywise.com info@... <mailto:info%40celebrate4health.com> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast <http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail & #news> with theYahoo! 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Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Hi Klara, I am not sure it is male / female. When we were children was always the better looking one, vastly superior in intelligence, more athletic, was more popular, voted England’s most desirable person, and more healthy. When the dear Lord gave out wisdom in our family ended up with all of it. It was quite hard growing up in the shadow of this super human but in the end I learnt to accept it and find my humble place in the world. Enjoy her. Oh where’s the prozac? Love, Simon and Simon - A thought that keeps going in my head is how much are we in control and how much are we still part of what we were given - the old nature/nurture stuff - all your advice on letting kids be free to choose who they are makes alot of sense - but if someone say is aggressive, because that is what they learned in their own home, they must first work on themselves, before they can give over other things to their kids. And that's only level one - then there is the mixture of the mate, what they had as kids, how much they have worked on freeing themselves or are they still stuck, and most likely passing it down. then lastly, is the mix of both parents, how they work together, complement or create more tensions The philosophies are all very nice, but I feel to be a good parent, one must first work on themselves - can't tell a kid be honest, and then try to cheat on taxes - tho always easier to see w! hat's wrong with others, harder with self. I remember reading so so many wonderful child rearing books and nodding my head in total agreement, but when it came down to real life, I often did what I swore I wouldn't do. That's why I do appreciate mb, it gives a direction on changing. as far as direction - thank you both for your responses. don't know if it's a male/female thing, but was specific and I could follow - Simon, you're a lot like a rabbi, leaving it up to me to figure out - well, that's a lot of self-reflecting - that I don't think I can do now - got to get back to cleaning more cabinets - but I will let it stew on the back burner. Many thanks for all interesting posts. Dottie and , yes, I do recognize the yangness in me - and I also have been giving up lots of activities so I can focus more and go more gently into life - just not used to being home quite so much - and doing just one thing - well, perhaps I'm not ready for that - so I eat and write - but now back to work Klara " Simon G. Brown " wrote: Hi Mel, Yes I think we have all in the last thirty or so years seen too many examples of parents who were too controlling in terms of food and then find their children end up with emotional difficulties around food. To some people I may be too relaxed but like Mel and Madeline I do think it is safer to err on this side than too strict in the long term. Nothing’s perfect. Personally I try to say very little and focus more on making food they enjoy and feel good on. All the best, Simon Yes, but a different sort of eating disorder develops from strong restriction or an over emphasis on food - I have seen early macro kids - sneak and steal food, go mad for sugar and junk outside the home, develop feelings of guilt around eating any food, obsess about what to eat and what not to eat, never feel relaxed to enjoy a meal. As they got older, then alcohol became a big thing plus smoking pot. I wouldn't call that a healthy direction. Children do need to feel free to experiment and if it is done with acceptance and an openess then there is a lack of need/obsession - if you strongly restrict children or keep telling them how bad certain foods are they will do it behind your back and way worse. When we lived in Portugal, wine was part of daily life. We would allow the kids to have a sip now and again. Some people might think that was an awful thing to do. However, in American which is over the top when it comes to not drinking, teenagers go mad to drink - stealing from parents, neighbors and friends parents - going to the woods and really drinking huge amounts. I know this first hand from my kids friends. College is ripe with alcoholic behavior. My kids enjoy a glass of wine here and there - maybe a bit more at a party but none of them have a huge attraction to it. They also saw how to enjoy just one glass with a meal amongst friends and family. When fear and judgement are taken out of eating, then obssesive behavior is lessened. Children are wise and if you help then to understand how food makes them feel without putting good or bad into the equation, I feel it makes a big difference. All traditional cultures had daily food and then special dishes for festive occasions. I do feel it is important for kids to understand that some foods are for special times - we have our own special dishes for the seasonal holidays which we look forward to - they don't have to be the same as anyone else. It is always a bit difficult to write about raising children because in reality things change and in writing it appears rather absolute and rigid. I often find that if I strongly state something, a situation comes along to knock my view out of the water - quite funny really - can't think of a good example at the moment. Anyway I do think it is important to be open and flexible when it comes to raising children - very different from being weak and wishy washy - boundaries are vital of course - routines are also very important. Parenting is on-going and every learning. Blessings Re: Here it is ...the topic I've been avoiding until now! > > what did you pay her? KIDDING. >How sweet and thank you for your response, it's always great to hear >storied from one who has grown up in this lifestyle. > >One comment on the eating disorder thing, it's more about control and >starving oneself is like " I can do it, I am stronger than the food " >more so than my mother wouldn't let me have ice cream so here watch >me inhale 10 gallons.......... >Overweight children are so because of the disposible society, >convenience food, lack of physical activity and sitting in front of >the tv while eating. Foods are loaded with sugar, oil, salt and in >large quantities. > >Reggie > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Wister, >> >> >> >> You'll have to get used to people being upset when you say >something >> >> IS what it IS. We're in a world where people feel safe behind >words >> >> like " circumcision " , " abortion " , " medicating " .. rather than just >> >> saying what it is. Mutilating, altering, ! etc.. Killing and >sucking >> >> out life, etc. Drugging our children and getting them stoned, >etc.. >> >> Why don't we just call a spade a spade? Because the people >involved >> >> in the actions say that when you just say what it IS that they >do, >> >> you're being judgemental. >> >> >> >> When my children say, " Mom!! The kids across the street >are " salting a >> >> slug! Can we have some salt? " , I reply, " What? ..OH!! You >MEAN, 'The >> >> kids across the street are pouring salt onto a slug and >torturing it, >> >> and causing pain and suffering? Can I torture it as well?' Is >that >> >> what you meant? " Their eyes open wide(see the importance of >those >> >> words), and they are suddenly shaking their heads and >saying, " No. I >> >> don't want to. " >> >> >> >> Truth is truth and saying exactly what something IS, is very >powerful >> >> and helps people to Awaken and pull out of their slumber, >reevaluate >> >> their actions and bring themselves to a Higher Minded level of >> >> thinking. Constantly trying to make people cozy and >comfortable with >> >> side-stepping words keeps everyone in a state of hypnosis and >> >> stagnance. Complacency is a dangerous thing, and keeps us from >> >> evolving. >> >> >> >> I can think of few things more healthy for our well-being than >always >> >> stating the facts exactly as they are, and then let us judge >ourselves >> >> according to the Truths. I insist on being blatantly honest >about >> >> every single issue with my kids. The girls tell me they love >it. For >> >> example, ..My four year old reached for some Coca-cola at a >party. >> >> She wanted me to pour it for her, pleading, " Mommy, can I have >some >> >> Coke? " I got down to her level and whispered, " You mean, you >want the >> >> drink with the chemicals and drugs? I don't think that's the >best >> >> thing for your beautiful body, hon.. " Even my four year old >knows >> >> what drugs and chemicals are, because when I feed them, I pass >them >> >> their food and say things like, " Here ya go girls! I've got >some >> >> fruit for you, with Vit. C, to help you fight off cold and >germs, and >> >> here's some beans, with protein, etc. Here's your pure water, >to keep >> >> you hydrated, ..here's your cereal, with lots of fiber to help >you >> >> poo! .. " They're absolutely thrilled to know the Truth and >details >> >> about everything and it helps them to make educated/intelligent >> >> choices when I'm not with them. >> >> >> >> I'd encourage everyone to keep your children's Eyes Open by >always >> >> being completely honest with them about everything. This young >> >> generation is so advanced and ready for Truth. They will help >move us >> >> forward at lightning speed if we do our part and simply be open >with >> >> them. Don't drug them. Don't give them political nonsense >words. >> >> Don't white-wash even the mistakes you make. Even when I do >unhealthy >> >> things or make poor choices, I tell them that is exactly what >I'm >> >> doing, " I'm making a poor choice right now, because I'm feeling >weak, >> >> etc. " or " I did this or that, because I wasn't tuned in to the >Spirit >> >> and was behaving selfishly. " >> >> >> >> I hope most can understand the importance of what I'm saying. >We want >> >> the generations to come to use the concepts of macrobiotics, >yin and >> >> yang, and spirituality through every aspect of their lives, >because it >> >> will make them healthy and FREE. We need to be respectful of >where >> >> others stand, but, a spade is a spade and it isn't being mean >to call >> >> it so. >> >> >> >> amy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> Brown Waxman >> www.celebrate4health.com >> www.bebabywise.com >> info@... >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q & A. >> > > Brown Waxman www.celebrate4health.com www.bebabywise.com info@... <mailto:info%40celebrate4health.com> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast <http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail & #news> with theYahoo! 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Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Simon You are the biggest bullsh....r on the planet!!! Not true at all, sometimes I wonder where your brain's at. I do think that men and women are different and like you Klara, I prefer some specific direction that I can put into practice immediately. I find that really helps me to add perspective to my life. I have to chuckle a bit coz I also find lots of reasons to come on the computer and answer emails rather than other more pressing things around the house. On that note I must get off and work on a feng shui report!! Blessings Re: Here it is ...the topic I've been >>>>> avoiding until now! >>>>> > >>>>> > what did you pay her? KIDDING. >>>>> >How sweet and thank you for your response, it's always great to hear >>>>> >storied from one who has grown up in this lifestyle. >>>>> > >>>>> >One comment on the eating disorder thing, it's more about control and >>>>> >starving oneself is like " I can do it, I am stronger than the food " >>>>> >more so than my mother wouldn't let me have ice cream so here watch >>>>> >me inhale 10 gallons.......... >>>>> >Overweight children are so because of the disposible society, >>>>> >convenience food, lack of physical activity and sitting in front of >>>>> >the tv while eating. Foods are loaded with sugar, oil, salt and in >>>>> >large quantities. >>>>> > >>>>> >Reggie >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> Wister, >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> You'll have to get used to people being upset when you say >>>>> >something >>>>>>>> >> >> IS what it IS. We're in a world where people feel safe behind >>>>> >words >>>>>>>> >> >> like " circumcision " , " abortion " , " medicating " .. rather than just >>>>>>>> >> >> saying what it is. Mutilating, altering, ! etc.. Killing and >>>>> >sucking >>>>>>>> >> >> out life, etc. Drugging our children and getting them stoned, >>>>> >etc.. >>>>>>>> >> >> Why don't we just call a spade a spade? Because the people >>>>> >involved >>>>>>>> >> >> in the actions say that when you just say what it IS that they >>>>> >do, >>>>>>>> >> >> you're being judgemental. >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> When my children say, " Mom!! The kids across the street >>>>> >are " salting a >>>>>>>> >> >> slug! Can we have some salt? " , I reply, " What? ..OH!! You >>>>> >MEAN, 'The >>>>>>>> >> >> kids across the street are pouring salt onto a slug and >>>>> >torturing it, >>>>>>>> >> >> and causing pain and suffering? Can I torture it as well?' Is >>>>> >that >>>>>>>> >> >> what you meant? " Their eyes open wide(see the importance of >>>>> >those >>>>>>>> >> >> words), and they are suddenly shaking their heads and >>>>> >saying, " No. I >>>>>>>> >> >> don't want to. " >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> Truth is truth and saying exactly what something IS, is very >>>>> >powerful >>>>>>>> >> >> and helps people to Awaken and pull out of their slumber, >>>>> >reevaluate >>>>>>>> >> >> their actions and bring themselves to a Higher Minded level of >>>>>>>> >> >> thinking. Constantly trying to make people cozy and >>>>> >comfortable with >>>>>>>> >> >> side-stepping words keeps everyone in a state of hypnosis and >>>>>>>> >> >> stagnance. Complacency is a dangerous thing, and keeps us from >>>>>>>> >> >> evolving. >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> I can think of few things more healthy for our well-being than >>>>> >always >>>>>>>> >> >> stating the facts exactly as they are, and then let us judge >>>>> >ourselves >>>>>>>> >> >> according to the Truths. I insist on being blatantly honest >>>>> >about >>>>>>>> >> >> every single issue with my kids. The girls tell me they love >>>>> >it. For >>>>>>>> >> >> example, ..My four year old reached for some Coca-cola at a >>>>> >party. >>>>>>>> >> >> She wanted me to pour it for her, pleading, " Mommy, can I have >>>>> >some >>>>>>>> >> >> Coke? " I got down to her level and whispered, " You mean, you >>>>> >want the >>>>>>>> >> >> drink with the chemicals and drugs? I don't think that's the >>>>> >best >>>>>>>> >> >> thing for your beautiful body, hon.. " Even my four year old >>>>> >knows >>>>>>>> >> >> what drugs and chemicals are, because when I feed them, I pass >>>>> >them >>>>>>>> >> >> their food and say things like, " Here ya go girls! I've got >>>>> >some >>>>>>>> >> >> fruit for you, with Vit. C, to help you fight off cold and >>>>> >germs, and >>>>>>>> >> >> here's some beans, with protein, etc. Here's your pure water, >>>>> >to keep >>>>>>>> >> >> you hydrated, ..here's your cereal, with lots of fiber to help >>>>> >you >>>>>>>> >> >> poo! .. " They're absolutely thrilled to know the Truth and >>>>> >details >>>>>>>> >> >> about everything and it helps them to make educated/intelligent >>>>>>>> >> >> choices when I'm not with them. >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> I'd encourage everyone to keep your children's Eyes Open by >>>>> >always >>>>>>>> >> >> being completely honest with them about everything. This young >>>>>>>> >> >> generation is so advanced and ready for Truth. They will help >>>>> >move us >>>>>>>> >> >> forward at lightning speed if we do our part and simply be open >>>>> >with >>>>>>>> >> >> them. Don't drug them. Don't give them political nonsense >>>>> >words. >>>>>>>> >> >> Don't white-wash even the mistakes you make. Even when I do >>>>> >unhealthy >>>>>>>> >> >> things or make poor choices, I tell them that is exactly what >>>>> >I'm >>>>>>>> >> >> doing, " I'm making a poor choice right now, because I'm feeling >>>>> >weak, >>>>>>>> >> >> etc. " or " I did this or that, because I wasn't tuned in to the >>>>> >Spirit >>>>>>>> >> >> and was behaving selfishly. " >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> I hope most can understand the importance of what I'm saying. >>>>> >We want >>>>>>>> >> >> the generations to come to use the concepts of macrobiotics, >>>>> >yin and >>>>>>>> >> >> yang, and spirituality through every aspect of their lives, >>>>> >because it >>>>>>>> >> >> will make them healthy and FREE. We need to be respectful of >>>>> >where >>>>>>>> >> >> others stand, but, a spade is a spade and it isn't being mean >>>>> >to call >>>>>>>> >> >> it so. >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> amy >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Brown Waxman >>>>>> >> www.celebrate4health.com >>>>>> >> www.bebabywise.com >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> --------------------------------- >>>>>> >> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >>>>>> >> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q & A. >>>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>> Brown Waxman >>>> www.celebrate4health.com >>>> www.bebabywise.com >>>> info@... <mailto:info%40celebrate4health.com> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast >> <http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail & #news> >> with theYahoo! 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Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Simon You are the biggest bullsh....r on the planet!!! Not true at all, sometimes I wonder where your brain's at. I do think that men and women are different and like you Klara, I prefer some specific direction that I can put into practice immediately. I find that really helps me to add perspective to my life. I have to chuckle a bit coz I also find lots of reasons to come on the computer and answer emails rather than other more pressing things around the house. On that note I must get off and work on a feng shui report!! Blessings Re: Here it is ...the topic I've been >>>>> avoiding until now! >>>>> > >>>>> > what did you pay her? KIDDING. >>>>> >How sweet and thank you for your response, it's always great to hear >>>>> >storied from one who has grown up in this lifestyle. >>>>> > >>>>> >One comment on the eating disorder thing, it's more about control and >>>>> >starving oneself is like " I can do it, I am stronger than the food " >>>>> >more so than my mother wouldn't let me have ice cream so here watch >>>>> >me inhale 10 gallons.......... >>>>> >Overweight children are so because of the disposible society, >>>>> >convenience food, lack of physical activity and sitting in front of >>>>> >the tv while eating. Foods are loaded with sugar, oil, salt and in >>>>> >large quantities. >>>>> > >>>>> >Reggie >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> Wister, >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> You'll have to get used to people being upset when you say >>>>> >something >>>>>>>> >> >> IS what it IS. We're in a world where people feel safe behind >>>>> >words >>>>>>>> >> >> like " circumcision " , " abortion " , " medicating " .. rather than just >>>>>>>> >> >> saying what it is. Mutilating, altering, ! etc.. Killing and >>>>> >sucking >>>>>>>> >> >> out life, etc. Drugging our children and getting them stoned, >>>>> >etc.. >>>>>>>> >> >> Why don't we just call a spade a spade? Because the people >>>>> >involved >>>>>>>> >> >> in the actions say that when you just say what it IS that they >>>>> >do, >>>>>>>> >> >> you're being judgemental. >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> When my children say, " Mom!! The kids across the street >>>>> >are " salting a >>>>>>>> >> >> slug! Can we have some salt? " , I reply, " What? ..OH!! You >>>>> >MEAN, 'The >>>>>>>> >> >> kids across the street are pouring salt onto a slug and >>>>> >torturing it, >>>>>>>> >> >> and causing pain and suffering? Can I torture it as well?' Is >>>>> >that >>>>>>>> >> >> what you meant? " Their eyes open wide(see the importance of >>>>> >those >>>>>>>> >> >> words), and they are suddenly shaking their heads and >>>>> >saying, " No. I >>>>>>>> >> >> don't want to. " >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> Truth is truth and saying exactly what something IS, is very >>>>> >powerful >>>>>>>> >> >> and helps people to Awaken and pull out of their slumber, >>>>> >reevaluate >>>>>>>> >> >> their actions and bring themselves to a Higher Minded level of >>>>>>>> >> >> thinking. Constantly trying to make people cozy and >>>>> >comfortable with >>>>>>>> >> >> side-stepping words keeps everyone in a state of hypnosis and >>>>>>>> >> >> stagnance. Complacency is a dangerous thing, and keeps us from >>>>>>>> >> >> evolving. >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> I can think of few things more healthy for our well-being than >>>>> >always >>>>>>>> >> >> stating the facts exactly as they are, and then let us judge >>>>> >ourselves >>>>>>>> >> >> according to the Truths. I insist on being blatantly honest >>>>> >about >>>>>>>> >> >> every single issue with my kids. The girls tell me they love >>>>> >it. For >>>>>>>> >> >> example, ..My four year old reached for some Coca-cola at a >>>>> >party. >>>>>>>> >> >> She wanted me to pour it for her, pleading, " Mommy, can I have >>>>> >some >>>>>>>> >> >> Coke? " I got down to her level and whispered, " You mean, you >>>>> >want the >>>>>>>> >> >> drink with the chemicals and drugs? I don't think that's the >>>>> >best >>>>>>>> >> >> thing for your beautiful body, hon.. " Even my four year old >>>>> >knows >>>>>>>> >> >> what drugs and chemicals are, because when I feed them, I pass >>>>> >them >>>>>>>> >> >> their food and say things like, " Here ya go girls! I've got >>>>> >some >>>>>>>> >> >> fruit for you, with Vit. C, to help you fight off cold and >>>>> >germs, and >>>>>>>> >> >> here's some beans, with protein, etc. Here's your pure water, >>>>> >to keep >>>>>>>> >> >> you hydrated, ..here's your cereal, with lots of fiber to help >>>>> >you >>>>>>>> >> >> poo! .. " They're absolutely thrilled to know the Truth and >>>>> >details >>>>>>>> >> >> about everything and it helps them to make educated/intelligent >>>>>>>> >> >> choices when I'm not with them. >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> I'd encourage everyone to keep your children's Eyes Open by >>>>> >always >>>>>>>> >> >> being completely honest with them about everything. This young >>>>>>>> >> >> generation is so advanced and ready for Truth. They will help >>>>> >move us >>>>>>>> >> >> forward at lightning speed if we do our part and simply be open >>>>> >with >>>>>>>> >> >> them. Don't drug them. Don't give them political nonsense >>>>> >words. >>>>>>>> >> >> Don't white-wash even the mistakes you make. Even when I do >>>>> >unhealthy >>>>>>>> >> >> things or make poor choices, I tell them that is exactly what >>>>> >I'm >>>>>>>> >> >> doing, " I'm making a poor choice right now, because I'm feeling >>>>> >weak, >>>>>>>> >> >> etc. " or " I did this or that, because I wasn't tuned in to the >>>>> >Spirit >>>>>>>> >> >> and was behaving selfishly. " >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> I hope most can understand the importance of what I'm saying. >>>>> >We want >>>>>>>> >> >> the generations to come to use the concepts of macrobiotics, >>>>> >yin and >>>>>>>> >> >> yang, and spirituality through every aspect of their lives, >>>>> >because it >>>>>>>> >> >> will make them healthy and FREE. We need to be respectful of >>>>> >where >>>>>>>> >> >> others stand, but, a spade is a spade and it isn't being mean >>>>> >to call >>>>>>>> >> >> it so. >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> amy >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Brown Waxman >>>>>> >> www.celebrate4health.com >>>>>> >> www.bebabywise.com >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> --------------------------------- >>>>>> >> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >>>>>> >> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q & A. >>>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>> Brown Waxman >>>> www.celebrate4health.com >>>> www.bebabywise.com >>>> info@... <mailto:info%40celebrate4health.com> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast >> <http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail & #news> >> with theYahoo! 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Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Simon You are the biggest bullsh....r on the planet!!! Not true at all, sometimes I wonder where your brain's at. I do think that men and women are different and like you Klara, I prefer some specific direction that I can put into practice immediately. I find that really helps me to add perspective to my life. I have to chuckle a bit coz I also find lots of reasons to come on the computer and answer emails rather than other more pressing things around the house. On that note I must get off and work on a feng shui report!! Blessings Re: Here it is ...the topic I've been >>>>> avoiding until now! >>>>> > >>>>> > what did you pay her? KIDDING. >>>>> >How sweet and thank you for your response, it's always great to hear >>>>> >storied from one who has grown up in this lifestyle. >>>>> > >>>>> >One comment on the eating disorder thing, it's more about control and >>>>> >starving oneself is like " I can do it, I am stronger than the food " >>>>> >more so than my mother wouldn't let me have ice cream so here watch >>>>> >me inhale 10 gallons.......... >>>>> >Overweight children are so because of the disposible society, >>>>> >convenience food, lack of physical activity and sitting in front of >>>>> >the tv while eating. Foods are loaded with sugar, oil, salt and in >>>>> >large quantities. >>>>> > >>>>> >Reggie >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> Wister, >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> You'll have to get used to people being upset when you say >>>>> >something >>>>>>>> >> >> IS what it IS. We're in a world where people feel safe behind >>>>> >words >>>>>>>> >> >> like " circumcision " , " abortion " , " medicating " .. rather than just >>>>>>>> >> >> saying what it is. Mutilating, altering, ! etc.. Killing and >>>>> >sucking >>>>>>>> >> >> out life, etc. Drugging our children and getting them stoned, >>>>> >etc.. >>>>>>>> >> >> Why don't we just call a spade a spade? Because the people >>>>> >involved >>>>>>>> >> >> in the actions say that when you just say what it IS that they >>>>> >do, >>>>>>>> >> >> you're being judgemental. >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> When my children say, " Mom!! The kids across the street >>>>> >are " salting a >>>>>>>> >> >> slug! Can we have some salt? " , I reply, " What? ..OH!! You >>>>> >MEAN, 'The >>>>>>>> >> >> kids across the street are pouring salt onto a slug and >>>>> >torturing it, >>>>>>>> >> >> and causing pain and suffering? Can I torture it as well?' Is >>>>> >that >>>>>>>> >> >> what you meant? " Their eyes open wide(see the importance of >>>>> >those >>>>>>>> >> >> words), and they are suddenly shaking their heads and >>>>> >saying, " No. I >>>>>>>> >> >> don't want to. " >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> Truth is truth and saying exactly what something IS, is very >>>>> >powerful >>>>>>>> >> >> and helps people to Awaken and pull out of their slumber, >>>>> >reevaluate >>>>>>>> >> >> their actions and bring themselves to a Higher Minded level of >>>>>>>> >> >> thinking. Constantly trying to make people cozy and >>>>> >comfortable with >>>>>>>> >> >> side-stepping words keeps everyone in a state of hypnosis and >>>>>>>> >> >> stagnance. Complacency is a dangerous thing, and keeps us from >>>>>>>> >> >> evolving. >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> I can think of few things more healthy for our well-being than >>>>> >always >>>>>>>> >> >> stating the facts exactly as they are, and then let us judge >>>>> >ourselves >>>>>>>> >> >> according to the Truths. I insist on being blatantly honest >>>>> >about >>>>>>>> >> >> every single issue with my kids. The girls tell me they love >>>>> >it. For >>>>>>>> >> >> example, ..My four year old reached for some Coca-cola at a >>>>> >party. >>>>>>>> >> >> She wanted me to pour it for her, pleading, " Mommy, can I have >>>>> >some >>>>>>>> >> >> Coke? " I got down to her level and whispered, " You mean, you >>>>> >want the >>>>>>>> >> >> drink with the chemicals and drugs? I don't think that's the >>>>> >best >>>>>>>> >> >> thing for your beautiful body, hon.. " Even my four year old >>>>> >knows >>>>>>>> >> >> what drugs and chemicals are, because when I feed them, I pass >>>>> >them >>>>>>>> >> >> their food and say things like, " Here ya go girls! I've got >>>>> >some >>>>>>>> >> >> fruit for you, with Vit. C, to help you fight off cold and >>>>> >germs, and >>>>>>>> >> >> here's some beans, with protein, etc. Here's your pure water, >>>>> >to keep >>>>>>>> >> >> you hydrated, ..here's your cereal, with lots of fiber to help >>>>> >you >>>>>>>> >> >> poo! .. " They're absolutely thrilled to know the Truth and >>>>> >details >>>>>>>> >> >> about everything and it helps them to make educated/intelligent >>>>>>>> >> >> choices when I'm not with them. >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> I'd encourage everyone to keep your children's Eyes Open by >>>>> >always >>>>>>>> >> >> being completely honest with them about everything. This young >>>>>>>> >> >> generation is so advanced and ready for Truth. They will help >>>>> >move us >>>>>>>> >> >> forward at lightning speed if we do our part and simply be open >>>>> >with >>>>>>>> >> >> them. Don't drug them. Don't give them political nonsense >>>>> >words. >>>>>>>> >> >> Don't white-wash even the mistakes you make. Even when I do >>>>> >unhealthy >>>>>>>> >> >> things or make poor choices, I tell them that is exactly what >>>>> >I'm >>>>>>>> >> >> doing, " I'm making a poor choice right now, because I'm feeling >>>>> >weak, >>>>>>>> >> >> etc. " or " I did this or that, because I wasn't tuned in to the >>>>> >Spirit >>>>>>>> >> >> and was behaving selfishly. " >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> I hope most can understand the importance of what I'm saying. >>>>> >We want >>>>>>>> >> >> the generations to come to use the concepts of macrobiotics, >>>>> >yin and >>>>>>>> >> >> yang, and spirituality through every aspect of their lives, >>>>> >because it >>>>>>>> >> >> will make them healthy and FREE. We need to be respectful of >>>>> >where >>>>>>>> >> >> others stand, but, a spade is a spade and it isn't being mean >>>>> >to call >>>>>>>> >> >> it so. >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> amy >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Brown Waxman >>>>>> >> www.celebrate4health.com >>>>>> >> www.bebabywise.com >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> --------------------------------- >>>>>> >> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >>>>>> >> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q & A. >>>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>> Brown Waxman >>>> www.celebrate4health.com >>>> www.bebabywise.com >>>> info@... <mailto:info%40celebrate4health.com> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast >> <http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail & #news> >> with theYahoo! 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Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Hi Reg I agree not all children will want to be as adventurous with food. It is much easier to give kids wonderful home cooked food when they are little because they are not so exposed to junk food etc. However, it is important in the early years to give them lots of variety including natural desserts and snacks. It is more the parents attitude towards food that makes a difference. If we are very moral about eating, saying one food is good and something else is bad or poison, it can set up a natural attraction to the bad food. There is something alluring about a food or anything for that matter that we can't have. Then feelings of guilt develop or sneaking/going behind our backs if they do want to try something we strongly disapprove of. The eating habits that are formed in the early years have deep roots. I feel it is important for children to love their meals, to look forward to their special dishes and to have happy memories around eating. This makes a huge difference to health and has a long lasting effect. They don't need too much information at this stage except a simple explaination about how the food they are having will help them to feel strong and lively - whatever words are age appropriate. You can also explain there are lots of different foods and people choose to eat in different ways because they may live in another country or don't know about the food we are eating etc - again no judgement on what others do. You can also say that some foods are meant for very very special occasions. I don't think it is necessary to bring up any food discussion unless questioned. As I said, some kids aren't too bothered about what other kids have. Asides from the food itself, the meal time is extremely important. I wrote an article - if anyone is interested, on the importance of the family meal: http://celebrate4health.com/TheFamilyMeal.html Off to walk the dog!!!! Brown Waxman www.celebrate4health.com www.bebabywise.com info@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Simon, This makes me laugh and I dearly love laughing, from the comments, it seems your wife enjoys it too, I loved the let laughter be your medicine, yeah, i think mel is kind of cool, too, but seriously have you guys always had such healthy relationships?! Try some nice rice pudding instead of prozac, that is probably our number 1 comfort food! I did subscribe to your news this week, so look forward to that! GREAT DAY! Everyone! Mira "Simon G. Brown" wrote: Hi Klara,I am not sure it is male / female.When we were children was always the better looking one, vastly superior in intelligence, more athletic, was more popular, voted England’s most desirable person, and more healthy. When the dear Lord gave out wisdom in our family ended up with all of it. It was quite hard growing up in the shadow of this super human but in the end I learnt to accept it and find my humble place in the world. Enjoy her.Oh where’s the prozac?Love,SimonOn 21/3/07 12:52, "Klara LeVine" <klara_levine> wrote: and Simon - A thought that keeps going in my head is how much are we in control and how much are we still part of what we were given - the old nature/nurture stuff - all your advice on letting kids be free to choose who they are makes alot of sense - but if someone say is aggressive, because that is what they learned in their own home, they must first work on themselves, before they can give over other things to their kids. And that's only level one - then there is the mixture of the mate, what they had as kids, how much they have worked on freeing themselves or are they still stuck, and most likely passing it down. then lastly, is the mix of both parents, how they work together, complement or create more tensions The philosophies are all very nice, but I feel to be a good parent, one must first work on themselves - can't tell a kid be honest, and then try to cheat on taxes - tho always easier to see w! hat's wrong with others, harder with self. I remember reading so so many wonderful child rearing books and nodding my head in total agreement, but when it came down to real life, I often did what I swore I wouldn't do. That's why I do appreciate mb, it gives a direction on changing. as far as direction - thank you both for your responses. don't know if it's a male/female thing, but was specific and I could follow - Simon, you're a lot like a rabbi, leaving it up to me to figure out - well, that's a lot of self-reflecting - that I don't think I can do now - got to get back to cleaning more cabinets - but I will let it stew on the back burner. Many thanks for all interesting posts. Dottie and , yes, I do recognize the yangness in me - and I also have been giving up lots of activities so I can focus more and go more gently into life - just not used to being home quite so much - and doing just one thing - well, perhaps I'm not ready for that - so I eat and write - but now back to work Klara"Simon G. Brown" <simonchienergy (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Hi Mel,Yes I think we have all in the last thirty or so years seen too many examples of parents who were too controlling in terms of food and then find their children end up with emotional difficulties around food. To some people I may be too relaxed but like Mel and Madeline I do think it is safer to err on this side than too strict in the long term. Nothing’s perfect.Personally I try to say very little and focus more on making food they enjoy and feel good on.All the best,SimonOn 21/3/07 11:10, "" <mel528earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: Yes, but a different sort of eating disorder develops from strong restriction or an over emphasis on food - I have seen early macro kids - sneak and steal food, go mad for sugar and junk outside the home, develop feelings of guilt around eating any food, obsess about what to eat and what not to eat, never feel relaxed to enjoy a meal. As they got older, then alcohol became a big thing plus smoking pot. I wouldn't call that a healthy direction. Children do need to feel free to experiment and if it is done with acceptance and an openess then there is a lack of need/obsession - if you strongly restrict children or keep telling them how bad certain foods are they will do it behind your back and way worse.When we lived in Portugal, wine was part of daily life. We would allow the kids to have a sip now and again. Some people might think that was an awful thing to do. However, in American which is over the top when it comes to not drinking, teenagers go mad to drink - stealing from parents, neighbors and friends parents - going to the woods and really drinking huge amounts. I know this first hand from my kids friends. College is ripe with alcoholic behavior. My kids enjoy a glass of wine here and there - maybe a bit more at a party but none of them have a huge attraction to it. They also saw how to enjoy just one glass with a meal amongst friends and family.When fear and judgement are taken out of eating, then obssesive behavior is lessened. Children are wise and if you help then to understand how food makes them feel without putting good or bad into the equation, I feel it makes a big difference. All traditional cultures had daily food and then special dishes for festive occasions. I do feel it is important for kids to understand that some foods are for special times - we have our own special dishes for the seasonal holidays which we look forward to - they don't have to be the same as anyone else.It is always a bit difficult to write about raising children because in reality things change and in writing it appears rather absolute and rigid. I often find that if I strongly state something, a situation comes along to knock my view out of the water - quite funny really - can't think of a good example at the moment.Anyway I do think it is important to be open and flexible when it comes to raising children - very different from being weak and wishy washy - boundaries are vital of course - routines are also very important. Parenting is on-going and every learning.Blessings Re: Here it is ...the topic I've been avoiding until now!>> what did you pay her? KIDDING. >How sweet and thank you for your response, it's always great to hear >storied from one who has grown up in this lifestyle.>>One comment on the eating disorder thing, it's more about control and >starving oneself is like "I can do it, I am stronger than the food" >more so than my mother wouldn't let me have ice cream so here watch >me inhale 10 gallons..........>Overweight children are so because of the disposible society, >convenience food, lack of physical activity and sitting in front of >the tv while eating. Foods are loaded with sugar, oil, salt and in >large quantities.>>Reggie>>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Wister,>> >> >> >> You'll have to get used to people being upset when you say >something>> >> IS what it IS. We're in a world where people feel safe behind >words>> >> like "circumcision", "abortion", "medicating".. rather than just>> >> saying what it is. Mutilating, altering, ! etc.. Killing and >sucking>> >> out life, etc. Drugging our children and getting them stoned, >etc..>> >> Why don't we just call a spade a spade? Because the people >involved>> >> in the actions say that when you just say what it IS that they >do,>> >> you're being judgemental.>> >> >> >> When my children say, "Mom!! The kids across the street >are "salting a>> >> slug! Can we have some salt?", I reply, "What? ..OH!! You >MEAN, 'The>> >> kids across the street are pouring salt onto a slug and >torturing it,>> >> and causing pain and suffering? Can I torture it as well?' Is >that>> >> what you meant?" Their eyes open wide(see the importance of >those>> >> words), and they are suddenly shaking their heads and >saying, "No. I>> >> don't want to.">> >> >> >> Truth is truth and saying exactly what something IS, is very >powerful>> >> and helps people to Awaken and pull out of their slumber, >reevaluate>> >> their actions and bring themselves to a Higher Minded level of>> >> thinking. Constantly trying to make people cozy and >comfortable with>> >> side-stepping words keeps everyone in a state of hypnosis and>> >> stagnance. Complacency is a dangerous thing, and keeps us from>> >> evolving. >> >> >> >> I can think of few things more healthy for our well-being than >always>> >> stating the facts exactly as they are, and then let us judge >ourselves>> >> according to the Truths. I insist on being blatantly honest >about>> >> every single issue with my kids. The girls tell me they love >it. For>> >> example, ..My four year old reached for some Coca-cola at a >party.>> >> She wanted me to pour it for her, pleading, "Mommy, can I have >some>> >> Coke?" I got down to her level and whispered, "You mean, you >want the>> >> drink with the chemicals and drugs? I don't think that's the >best>> >> thing for your beautiful body, hon.." Even my four year old >knows>> >> what drugs and chemicals are, because when I feed them, I pass >them>> >> their food and say things like, "Here ya go girls! I've got >some>> >> fruit for you, with Vit. C, to help you fight off cold and >germs, and>> >> here's some beans, with protein, etc. Here's your pure water, >to keep>> >> you hydrated, ..here's your cereal, with lots of fiber to help >you>> >> poo! .." They're absolutely thrilled to know the Truth and >details>> >> about everything and it helps them to make educated/intelligent>> >> choices when I'm not with them.>> >> >> >> I'd encourage everyone to keep your children's Eyes Open by >always>> >> being completely honest with them about everything. This young>> >> generation is so advanced and ready for Truth. They will help >move us>> >> forward at lightning speed if we do our part and simply be open >with>> >> them. Don't drug them. Don't give them political nonsense >words.>> >> Don't white-wash even the mistakes you make. Even when I do >unhealthy>> >> things or make poor choices, I tell them that is exactly what >I'm>> >> doing, "I'm making a poor choice right now, because I'm feeling >weak,>> >> etc." or "I did this or that, because I wasn't tuned in to the >Spirit>> >> and was behaving selfishly.">> >> >> >> I hope most can understand the importance of what I'm saying. >We want>> >> the generations to come to use the concepts of macrobiotics, >yin and>> >> yang, and spirituality through every aspect of their lives, >because it>> >> will make them healthy and FREE. We need to be respectful of >where>> >> others stand, but, a spade is a spade and it isn't being mean >to call>> >> it so.>> >> >> >> amy>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >> Brown Waxman>> www.celebrate4health.com>> www.bebabywise.com>> info@...>> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------->> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate>> in the Yahoo! 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