SV: Re: NF Practitioner, Assess Thyself!

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I once tried using my

webcam in order to place the electrodes on myself. In the program for Logitech webcams

 you  switch to mirror function. This way you can look in to the monitor and get

the feeling of looking into a mirror.

I also got a tip from

Ernesto Korenman, he advised to use IKEA paper measuring tape and  cut off

pieces for various sites. For example make one strip that is the length between

 nasion and FZ.  Another piece which is nasion and Cz.

I’ve found if I

put the  palm of my hand on my forehead my middle finger will almost touch Cz.

For T3 I measure

fingerwidth from the pre-Auricular notches (the indentations in front of the

earhole). If I place my ringfinger in the notch, T3 will be just above my index

finger.

I once tried using a swimming

cap and cut holes at all the right locations.

Nowadays I really don’t

use measurements, I just feel my way around. More fun that way.  

Jim

Fra:

braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] På vegne av bharney2002

Sendt: 24. desember 2007 00:02

Til:

braintrainer

Emne: Re: NF

Practitioner, Assess Thyself!

I'm still

waiting for help to do my TLC assessment. In the meantime I've started some

self-training based on a QEEG assessment.

For me it's much easier to enlist somebody else - but most of the time I don't

have that option, so I pulled out the clippers & shaved my hair down to

about 1/16th of an inch. If had better vision and well placed mirrors I think I

could hook myself up without shaving my head.

Other things that have helped for self-hookup.

I bought ear clips.

I find someone to draw a large circle around CZ with a sharpie, or do it myself

with mirrors. This way I can use a washable marker to mark CZ to find the other

locations, then wipe it off to hook up to CZ. The circle usually lasts a few

days & it's not under the sensor.

Once CZ is marked I use two or three mirrors to find the necessary locations,

prep, and apply the sensors.

I sewed two 1cm wide headbands to one 5cm wide headband to hold the sensors in

place while I hook up the other locations. I'm not sure it the headbands

are okay to use, but my impedances are excellent and pretty much the same

with or without the headbands.

With mirrors it takes a while to teach your hands to move backwards, but I'm

making progress.

I use an excel spreed sheet with formulas for location measurements. That way I

don't have to worry about math errors.

For the " split the distance " locations, i.e. F3,F4,P3, P4, I use

ratios (in excel) based on 10-20 locations from a styrofoam head. It's not

ideal but I think my placements are pretty close to where they should be.

I braided my sensor wires (again I'm not sure this is okay, but I read about

someone doing it and they claimed it reduced their impedances)

I did it because I kept getting my wires tangled + it makes it easier to run

the wires under my headband.

The headbands make it easy to move from my mirror location, to my computer, to

my training chair. I've attached my brainmaster to the back of my training

chair (w ith safety pins & headbands). That way I'm less likely to pull the

sensors off my head if I forget and swivel my chair the wrong way.

I'm a newbie so I'm not sure if using headbands, ratios, and braiding sensor

wires is okay - I would check with Pete or someone else with before using any

of my tips.

Good luck. I hope some of this is helpful.

Jack

>

> Hi,

>

> I was wondering. When you train yourselves, do you do assessments and

> training by putting the electrodes on yourself, or do you enlist

> somebody else's assistance?

>

> If the former, do you have any tips about finding sites on yourself

> and putting electrodes on your own head?

>

> Thanks.

>

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I like your last way. The first class I went when learning neurofeedback the instructor told me about being exacting. "It's not rocket science, it's brain science and brain science isn't exacting".LarryJim Ekgren wrote: I once tried using my webcam in order to place the electrodes on myself. In the program for Logitech webcams you switch to mirror

function. This way you can look in to the monitor and get the feeling of looking into a mirror. I also got a tip from Ernesto Korenman, he advised to use IKEA paper measuring tape and cut off pieces for various sites. For example make one strip that is the length between nasion and FZ. Another piece which is nasion and Cz. I’ve found if I put the palm of my hand on my forehead my middle finger will almost touch Cz. For T3 I measure fingerwidth from the pre-Auricular notches (the indentations in front of the earhole). If I place my ringfinger in the notch, T3 will be just above my index finger. I once tried using a swimming cap and cut holes at all the right locations. Nowadays I really don’t use measurements, I just feel my way around. More fun that way.

Jim Fra: braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] På vegne av bharney2002 Sendt: 24. desember 2007 00:02 Til: braintrainer Emne: Re: NF Practitioner, Assess Thyself!

I'm still waiting for help to do my TLC assessment. In the meantime I've started some self-training based on a QEEG assessment. For me it's much easier to enlist somebody else - but most of the time I don't have that option, so I pulled out the clippers & shaved my hair down to about 1/16th of an inch. If had better vision and well placed mirrors I think I could hook myself up without shaving my head. Other things that have helped for self-hookup. I bought ear clips. I find someone to draw a large circle around CZ with a sharpie, or do it myself with mirrors. This way I can use a washable marker to mark CZ to find the other locations, then wipe it off to hook up to CZ. The circle usually lasts a few days & it's not under the sensor. Once CZ is marked I use two or three mirrors to find the necessary locations, prep, and apply the

sensors. I sewed two 1cm wide headbands to one 5cm wide headband to hold the sensors in place while I hook up the other locations. I'm not sure it the headbands are okay to use, but my impedances are excellent and pretty much the same with or without the headbands. With mirrors it takes a while to teach your hands to move backwards, but I'm making progress. I use an excel spreed sheet with formulas for location measurements. That way I don't have to worry about math errors. For the "split the distance" locations, i.e. F3,F4,P3, P4, I use ratios (in excel) based on 10-20 locations from a styrofoam head. It's not ideal but I think my placements are pretty close to where they should be. I braided my sensor wires (again I'm not sure this is okay, but I read about someone doing it and they claimed it reduced their impedances) I did it because I kept getting my wires tangled + it makes it easier to run the wires under my

headband. The headbands make it easy to move from my mirror location, to my computer, to my training chair. I've attached my brainmaster to the back of my training chair (w ith safety pins & headbands). That way I'm less likely to pull the sensors off my head if I forget and swivel my chair the wrong way. I'm a newbie so I'm not sure if using headbands, ratios, and braiding sensor wires is okay - I would check with Pete or someone else with before using any of my tips. Good luck. I hope some of this is helpful. Jack > > Hi, > > I was wondering. When you train yourselves, do you do assessments and > training by putting the electrodes on yourself, or do you enlist > somebody else's assistance? > > If the former, do you have any tips about finding

sites on yourself > and putting electrodes on your own head? > > Thanks. >

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