Re: Diet and Autism

[Guest guest]

>>>I'm a little puzzled on how he can come back

with no bad bacteria, but also no good gut bacteria. It is more typical

that in the absence of good gut bacteria, the bad stuff will invade and

overgrow. I'm at a loss as to see how he is testing the absence of

*both*.....which makes me question the test validity.<<<

Did you see the test results or just get his interpretation? Could it be that

they just weren't outside the normal range?

Cheers.

Tas'.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

yes, I did see the results of the test. No bad bacteria or yeast

found in any amount.

erica z

> >>>I'm a little puzzled on how he can come back

> with no bad bacteria, but also no good gut bacteria. It is more

typical

> that in the absence of good gut bacteria, the bad stuff will

invade and

> overgrow. I'm at a loss as to see how he is testing the absence of

> *both*.....which makes me question the test validity.<<<

>

>

> Did you see the test results or just get his interpretation? Could

it be that they just weren't outside the normal range?

>

> Cheers.

> Tas'.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the links, Suze.

I believe he had hair analyis and blood work done.

>

>

> > Re: Diet and Autism

> >

> >

> >Hi Suze,

> >

> >Sorry it's taken so long to respond - I had some minor surgery

> >yesterday so I've been less than active online.

> >

> >

> >Yes, the mom has done heavy metal testing and went the homeopathic

> >route to detox after the results for his mercury levels were

through

> >the roof. The homeopathic remedies used seemed to work but mom was

> >thrown by how dramatically. Seems he dumped lots of the metal and

> >was violently ill. Mom is a bit hesitant to use more hardcore

> >methods of dumping heavy metals because of how sick Max will

> >undoubtedly get.

> >It's been a year since the initial heavy metal testing so they'll

be

> >revisiting that again in the near future.

> >

> >Thanks again,

> >a Z

>

> Hi a,

>

> In that case I suggest she check out Andy Cutler's protocol. She

can get a

> summary of it from the Autism-mercury list. Or if she wants his

book she can

> get it from http://www.noamalgam.com

>

> It's a conservative protocol aimed at NOT dumping a bunch of Hg

into the

> system all at once. It does take time - from months to years. But

there are

> many autistic kids making great progress with this protocol.

>

>

>

> And here are love letters from many folks (including parents of

autistic

> kids) describing some of their improvements from chelation.

>

>

> Offhand, do you know what type of testing he had done which showed

high Hg

> levels?

>

>

>

>

> Suze Fisher

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>

> ----------------------------

> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol

cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our

times. " --

> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at

Vanderbilt

> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

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> <http://www.thincs.org>

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> >

[Guest guest]

I used bentonite clay early on in my detoxing days and found it to

be very helpful. But sure, it absorbs everything so you definitely

have to be cautious with using it for long periods of time.

erica z

>

> >It is *more* than just eliminating gluten. These diets work

because they

> >limit foods that are high glycemic or otherwise raise the

internal glycemic

> >index. Since candida overgrowth is such a huge concern in the

autistic

> >community, diets that work to control candida contribute to

improvements

> >where going " only " gf/cf might meet with limited success.

> >

> >But gluten is a huge underlying factor to be sure!

> >

> >--s

>

> Adding probiotics makes a big difference too, which these diets

> do. My body is entirely different on kefir-beer! (Kimchi doesn't

> have as big an effect, tho it has other good stuff in it). I think

> kefir is a great way to get rid of candida, even without going

> super low-glycemic.

>

> I've also been experimenting with Pascaline clay (and Bentonite)

> and they seem to help in that area too. It is next to impossible

> to really get rid of all the gluten when you eat out or at someone

> else's house, but the clay seems to mitigate the side effects

> nicely. I'm not sure whether or not, or how much, it interferes

> with nutrients though (people who eat clay, and cats who do,

> tend to get nutrient deficiencies so I'm leery, anyone know more

> about this?).

>

> >

>

> Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

HJ wrote:

a lot of it seems to be a matter of balance

---->IMO, all of it is a matter of balance. Too much of a good thing

isn't always a good thing.

erica z

>

> >~~~> They eat a lot of the same things, but not always. For

example, inulin

> >appears to feed good bacteria and not bad bacteria. But the

other FOS sugars

> >that usually are with inulin appear to feed both. Pure inulin is

available.

> >I forwarded a post by Duncan Crow to this list with his

permission a month or

> >two ago.

> >_____

>

> Interestingly, some group recently reviewed the " probiotic " studies

> and found that while good results were to be had, no one had

> actually defined what a " probiotic " bacteria was! I'm not even

> sure it is possible. While some bacteria are obviously bad (like

> salmonella), a lot of it seems to be a matter of balance. For

instance,

> acidophilus seems to be a " good guy " , but it CAN overgrow

> and cause major problems. I personally think one of the reasons

> kefir is good is that it has a lot of bacteria/yeast that live in

> symbiosis, and no one bacteria takes over.

>

>

> >

> >~~~> That's why I don't really buy the " starving the bacteria

(/fungi) "

> >argument, especially in regard to a systemic infection. Blood

sugar is controlled

> >by hormones that are active even when you aren't eating. Even

during fasting,

> >there will be sugar in the blood. Granted, eating can affect

this insomuch

> >as eating in different ways can control these hormones. But, at

least at

> >first, someone not eating sugar will still get high blood sugar

swings if their

> >hormones are messed up (like many or most Americans'.) And

there is always

> >more sugar in the blood than is being used at any given moment,

so even with good

> >hormone control, if the candida is infecting the blood stream, it

should have

> >plenty of food.

>

> I agree. *something* else keeps it in check ... I did read one

article about bacteria

> in the nasal tract that is normally there ... so the bacteria keep

the fungi in

> check (and the fungi seem to be more problematic than the

bacteria). PH is a big

> factor (not to sound like the acid/base fanatics, but it is an

issue, and every organ

> probably has the correct value and I don't even know what it is).

> >

>

> Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

>I used bentonite clay early on in my detoxing days and found it to

>be very helpful. But sure, it absorbs everything so you definitely

>have to be cautious with using it for long periods of time.

>

>erica z

I find that interesting ... the sellers of it claim it supplies nutrients, but

everything I read about clay ingestion suggests otherwise. I DID find

it let me eat at someone's dinner (which was likely gluten-contaminated,

tho I didn't eat actual bread and such) without horribly ill effects the

next day. Which is really good to know! I think it will be good for travelling.

They also say it is good as a toothpaste, but I didn't notice any particular

results with it.

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

What brand did you use? I always used Sonne's number 7.

And, it can also be used as a facial mask!

love,

erica z

>

> >I used bentonite clay early on in my detoxing days and found it

to

> >be very helpful. But sure, it absorbs everything so you

definitely

> >have to be cautious with using it for long periods of time.

> >

> >erica z

>

> I find that interesting ... the sellers of it claim it supplies

nutrients, but

> everything I read about clay ingestion suggests otherwise. I DID

find

> it let me eat at someone's dinner (which was likely gluten-

contaminated,

> tho I didn't eat actual bread and such) without horribly ill

effects the

> next day. Which is really good to know! I think it will be good

for travelling.

> They also say it is good as a toothpaste, but I didn't notice any

particular

> results with it.

>

>

>

> Heidi Jean