Re: Grain, cereal or nut milk

[Guest guest]

Hey

There is no sugar in the pacific drinks. I specifically buy them

because of that.

Let us know what you think when you get to them.

Reggie

> >

> > Thank you for your in depth post.

> > You mentioned that you tried the oat and multi grain drinks but

> > didn't say what you thought of them. I'm curious.

> > I try to stay away from soy products. All I've heard about them

> > really makes me less and less impressed. Unless it's

> > fermented........

> >

> > Peace,

> > Reggie

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, well it may be from the natural ingredients then. As a comparison, the

Pacific brand

has anywhere from 15g - 20 g that is labeled as sugar and EdenBlend has only 8

g. So this

must be natural sugars from the ingredients and not necessarily the evil

" sugar " .

:-) sorry that i didn't differentiate between actual sugar sweetner or natural

occuring sugar

in ingredient.

EdenBlend doesn't have sugar either.

> > >

> > > Thank you for your in depth post.

> > > You mentioned that you tried the oat and multi grain drinks but

> > > didn't say what you thought of them. I'm curious.

> > > I try to stay away from soy products. All I've heard about them

> > > really makes me less and less impressed. Unless it's

> > > fermented........

> > >

> > > Peace,

> > > Reggie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, well it may be from the natural ingredients then. As a comparison, the

Pacific brand

has anywhere from 15g - 20 g that is labeled as sugar and EdenBlend has only 8

g. So this

must be natural sugars from the ingredients and not necessarily the evil

" sugar " .

:-) sorry that i didn't differentiate between actual sugar sweetner or natural

occuring sugar

in ingredient.

EdenBlend doesn't have sugar either.

> > >

> > > Thank you for your in depth post.

> > > You mentioned that you tried the oat and multi grain drinks but

> > > didn't say what you thought of them. I'm curious.

> > > I try to stay away from soy products. All I've heard about them

> > > really makes me less and less impressed. Unless it's

> > > fermented........

> > >

> > > Peace,

> > > Reggie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Chalk down a vote for rice milk here although I do enjoy the soy, oat,

almond, and rice/soy blends too.

At first I started to chuckle when I read " Heck if there is an

adult out there drinking mothers milk ...well I don't know if I want

to know about it. " but then it seemed to me that I would prefer to

find out people are going after mother's milk than cow or goat milk.

Yes, I know that it would be pretty selfish to take milk meant for

babies, but... Ok - I will not preach to the choir!

Ken

[Guest guest]

,

Chalk down a vote for rice milk here although I do enjoy the soy, oat,

almond, and rice/soy blends too.

At first I started to chuckle when I read " Heck if there is an

adult out there drinking mothers milk ...well I don't know if I want

to know about it. " but then it seemed to me that I would prefer to

find out people are going after mother's milk than cow or goat milk.

Yes, I know that it would be pretty selfish to take milk meant for

babies, but... Ok - I will not preach to the choir!

Ken

[Guest guest]

,

Chalk down a vote for rice milk here although I do enjoy the soy, oat,

almond, and rice/soy blends too.

At first I started to chuckle when I read " Heck if there is an

adult out there drinking mothers milk ...well I don't know if I want

to know about it. " but then it seemed to me that I would prefer to

find out people are going after mother's milk than cow or goat milk.

Yes, I know that it would be pretty selfish to take milk meant for

babies, but... Ok - I will not preach to the choir!

Ken

[Guest guest]

Don't be silly! You don't have to be sorry.

I don't pay attention to the 'sugars' section I just go by actual

ingredients. My ex taught me that saying the sugars, etc section was

mental masturbation.

Most of what he says is psycho anyway so why should I listen to

that? lol

peace,

R

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for your in depth post.

> > > > You mentioned that you tried the oat and multi grain drinks

but

> > > > didn't say what you thought of them. I'm curious.

> > > > I try to stay away from soy products. All I've heard about

them

> > > > really makes me less and less impressed. Unless it's

> > > > fermented........

> > > >

> > > > Peace,

> > > > Reggie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Don't be silly! You don't have to be sorry.

I don't pay attention to the 'sugars' section I just go by actual

ingredients. My ex taught me that saying the sugars, etc section was

mental masturbation.

Most of what he says is psycho anyway so why should I listen to

that? lol

peace,

R

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for your in depth post.

> > > > You mentioned that you tried the oat and multi grain drinks

but

> > > > didn't say what you thought of them. I'm curious.

> > > > I try to stay away from soy products. All I've heard about

them

> > > > really makes me less and less impressed. Unless it's

> > > > fermented........

> > > >

> > > > Peace,

> > > > Reggie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Don't be silly! You don't have to be sorry.

I don't pay attention to the 'sugars' section I just go by actual

ingredients. My ex taught me that saying the sugars, etc section was

mental masturbation.

Most of what he says is psycho anyway so why should I listen to

that? lol

peace,

R

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for your in depth post.

> > > > You mentioned that you tried the oat and multi grain drinks

but

> > > > didn't say what you thought of them. I'm curious.

> > > > I try to stay away from soy products. All I've heard about

them

> > > > really makes me less and less impressed. Unless it's

> > > > fermented........

> > > >

> > > > Peace,

> > > > Reggie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

LOL

Actually I remember years ago my grandmother passing by the Frick House

in NY and telling me (more times than I can count) that he had a

wetnurse as an adult b/c he believed that mother's milk was healthy so

he continued drinking it throughout his life.

On the flight home I actually watched part of Borat's movie (can you

believe it???) and in one skit he gave someone at a meeting some cheese

saying it's a custom. So he went on and on and said this cheese was

made by my mother in law (or someone) and the other man said it was

good. Borat continued by saying 'it's from her breast milk " the man

nearly puked. I laughed b/c the man thinks that's gross but having

liquid pus from a poor mastitis suffering cow is ok.

Stepping down now.

Reggie

>

> ,

>

> Chalk down a vote for rice milk here although I do enjoy the soy, oat,

> almond, and rice/soy blends too.

>

> At first I started to chuckle when I read " Heck if there is an

> adult out there drinking mothers milk ...well I don't know if I want

> to know about it. " but then it seemed to me that I would prefer to

> find out people are going after mother's milk than cow or goat milk.

> Yes, I know that it would be pretty selfish to take milk meant for

> babies, but... Ok - I will not preach to the choir!

>

> Ken

>

[Guest guest]

LOL

Actually I remember years ago my grandmother passing by the Frick House

in NY and telling me (more times than I can count) that he had a

wetnurse as an adult b/c he believed that mother's milk was healthy so

he continued drinking it throughout his life.

On the flight home I actually watched part of Borat's movie (can you

believe it???) and in one skit he gave someone at a meeting some cheese

saying it's a custom. So he went on and on and said this cheese was

made by my mother in law (or someone) and the other man said it was

good. Borat continued by saying 'it's from her breast milk " the man

nearly puked. I laughed b/c the man thinks that's gross but having

liquid pus from a poor mastitis suffering cow is ok.

Stepping down now.

Reggie

>

> ,

>

> Chalk down a vote for rice milk here although I do enjoy the soy, oat,

> almond, and rice/soy blends too.

>

> At first I started to chuckle when I read " Heck if there is an

> adult out there drinking mothers milk ...well I don't know if I want

> to know about it. " but then it seemed to me that I would prefer to

> find out people are going after mother's milk than cow or goat milk.

> Yes, I know that it would be pretty selfish to take milk meant for

> babies, but... Ok - I will not preach to the choir!

>

> Ken

>

[Guest guest]

LOL

Actually I remember years ago my grandmother passing by the Frick House

in NY and telling me (more times than I can count) that he had a

wetnurse as an adult b/c he believed that mother's milk was healthy so

he continued drinking it throughout his life.

On the flight home I actually watched part of Borat's movie (can you

believe it???) and in one skit he gave someone at a meeting some cheese

saying it's a custom. So he went on and on and said this cheese was

made by my mother in law (or someone) and the other man said it was

good. Borat continued by saying 'it's from her breast milk " the man

nearly puked. I laughed b/c the man thinks that's gross but having

liquid pus from a poor mastitis suffering cow is ok.

Stepping down now.

Reggie

>

> ,

>

> Chalk down a vote for rice milk here although I do enjoy the soy, oat,

> almond, and rice/soy blends too.

>

> At first I started to chuckle when I read " Heck if there is an

> adult out there drinking mothers milk ...well I don't know if I want

> to know about it. " but then it seemed to me that I would prefer to

> find out people are going after mother's milk than cow or goat milk.

> Yes, I know that it would be pretty selfish to take milk meant for

> babies, but... Ok - I will not preach to the choir!

>

> Ken

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Reggie~

yes, I do agree there is a huge difference as to how milk

is produced, I haven't consumed milk products regularly

for years...perhaps about 8 years??? hard to really keep

track, because once in awhile I will crave goat cheese,

even if it is just a package...but that's been a few years,

too.

The only thing I am cautionary about at this phase of my

life is putting a judgement call on people who do consume

milk (or anything I don't choose to consume, however).

When I was younger (almost 10 yrs. ago) I worked at a co-op

at ran my mouth a lot about all the things I found disgusting,

anti-humane, etc. what I really found is that when people are

ready for answers, when they are ripe for change, they will

find you or a knowledgeable person. I prefer to conserve

my energy, I suppose, LOL!

I also wanted to say that in my travels in India there is a

tradition there of consuming just milk while on intense

meditation retreats. perhaps with a few strands of saffron.

It is believed to be very nourishing for the body, and the

quality of milk is very stringent. I'm sure there are other

components, but I just wanted to add...but even in India,

where the cow is " revered " they are mistreated. I was under

the impression they only sold what is " excess " , but I have

seen them tie the baby cow away from its mama just

minutes after birth so that they can control how much and

how long it feeds. so sad...

I was in/out of India for 5 years, I met a beautiful man on

retreat in the Sangre de Christo mountains of Colorado

and became sidetracked...now we have a 19-month old.

I'm itching to return, but we spend so much money

eating organic it's maddening. How to save for a ticket, ha!?

It was Ari, my son, who brought me to macrobiotics, funny

enough. and a house I was renting from a friend who had

" The Book of Macrobiotics " by Michio Kushi. He was starting

to get real interested in food at 10 months, so I was looking

at our diet pretty intensely. Though nearly 100% vegan and

well-versed in whole grains, I still consumed potatoes, tomatoes,

and eggplant fairly regularly. Mmmmm, eggplant! ;-)

It's only been about 7 months, and we're still not 100%

macro, but that's ok with me. I like taking it stages at

a time, it's more relaxing for me this way. After the new year,

I cooked almost solely out of macro cookbooks for about 2 weeks,

and we all have never felt better! I am so humbled by the wisdom in

these age-old principles.

There is a slight imbalance with Ari right now, I will create

a new post in the hopes that or or Ilanit or

some other experienced mamas (even you, Reg) might know

something about....

til next post,

Namgyal

>

> Namgyal thank you for your post. I'm glad you're not lurking but

> posting.

> How long were you in India for? What brought you to macrobiotics?

> I still don't agree with consuming dairy products from other animals

> other than baby with their newborn but I understand the religious

> aspect of it. There's also a huge difference between factory

> farming, keeping cows locked on milking machines, taking their male

> babies and sending them off to become veal and or taking the dried

> out females and killing them before their time to become 'food'. The

> energy from that consumption is much different. Still not condoning

> dairy consumption mind you.

> Keep the comments coming please........

> Peace,

> Reggie

[Guest guest]

Hi, Reggie~

yes, I do agree there is a huge difference as to how milk

is produced, I haven't consumed milk products regularly

for years...perhaps about 8 years??? hard to really keep

track, because once in awhile I will crave goat cheese,

even if it is just a package...but that's been a few years,

too.

The only thing I am cautionary about at this phase of my

life is putting a judgement call on people who do consume

milk (or anything I don't choose to consume, however).

When I was younger (almost 10 yrs. ago) I worked at a co-op

at ran my mouth a lot about all the things I found disgusting,

anti-humane, etc. what I really found is that when people are

ready for answers, when they are ripe for change, they will

find you or a knowledgeable person. I prefer to conserve

my energy, I suppose, LOL!

I also wanted to say that in my travels in India there is a

tradition there of consuming just milk while on intense

meditation retreats. perhaps with a few strands of saffron.

It is believed to be very nourishing for the body, and the

quality of milk is very stringent. I'm sure there are other

components, but I just wanted to add...but even in India,

where the cow is " revered " they are mistreated. I was under

the impression they only sold what is " excess " , but I have

seen them tie the baby cow away from its mama just

minutes after birth so that they can control how much and

how long it feeds. so sad...

I was in/out of India for 5 years, I met a beautiful man on

retreat in the Sangre de Christo mountains of Colorado

and became sidetracked...now we have a 19-month old.

I'm itching to return, but we spend so much money

eating organic it's maddening. How to save for a ticket, ha!?

It was Ari, my son, who brought me to macrobiotics, funny

enough. and a house I was renting from a friend who had

" The Book of Macrobiotics " by Michio Kushi. He was starting

to get real interested in food at 10 months, so I was looking

at our diet pretty intensely. Though nearly 100% vegan and

well-versed in whole grains, I still consumed potatoes, tomatoes,

and eggplant fairly regularly. Mmmmm, eggplant! ;-)

It's only been about 7 months, and we're still not 100%

macro, but that's ok with me. I like taking it stages at

a time, it's more relaxing for me this way. After the new year,

I cooked almost solely out of macro cookbooks for about 2 weeks,

and we all have never felt better! I am so humbled by the wisdom in

these age-old principles.

There is a slight imbalance with Ari right now, I will create

a new post in the hopes that or or Ilanit or

some other experienced mamas (even you, Reg) might know

something about....

til next post,

Namgyal

>

> Namgyal thank you for your post. I'm glad you're not lurking but

> posting.

> How long were you in India for? What brought you to macrobiotics?

> I still don't agree with consuming dairy products from other animals

> other than baby with their newborn but I understand the religious

> aspect of it. There's also a huge difference between factory

> farming, keeping cows locked on milking machines, taking their male

> babies and sending them off to become veal and or taking the dried

> out females and killing them before their time to become 'food'. The

> energy from that consumption is much different. Still not condoning

> dairy consumption mind you.

> Keep the comments coming please........

> Peace,

> Reggie

[Guest guest]

Hi, Reggie~

yes, I do agree there is a huge difference as to how milk

is produced, I haven't consumed milk products regularly

for years...perhaps about 8 years??? hard to really keep

track, because once in awhile I will crave goat cheese,

even if it is just a package...but that's been a few years,

too.

The only thing I am cautionary about at this phase of my

life is putting a judgement call on people who do consume

milk (or anything I don't choose to consume, however).

When I was younger (almost 10 yrs. ago) I worked at a co-op

at ran my mouth a lot about all the things I found disgusting,

anti-humane, etc. what I really found is that when people are

ready for answers, when they are ripe for change, they will

find you or a knowledgeable person. I prefer to conserve

my energy, I suppose, LOL!

I also wanted to say that in my travels in India there is a

tradition there of consuming just milk while on intense

meditation retreats. perhaps with a few strands of saffron.

It is believed to be very nourishing for the body, and the

quality of milk is very stringent. I'm sure there are other

components, but I just wanted to add...but even in India,

where the cow is " revered " they are mistreated. I was under

the impression they only sold what is " excess " , but I have

seen them tie the baby cow away from its mama just

minutes after birth so that they can control how much and

how long it feeds. so sad...

I was in/out of India for 5 years, I met a beautiful man on

retreat in the Sangre de Christo mountains of Colorado

and became sidetracked...now we have a 19-month old.

I'm itching to return, but we spend so much money

eating organic it's maddening. How to save for a ticket, ha!?

It was Ari, my son, who brought me to macrobiotics, funny

enough. and a house I was renting from a friend who had

" The Book of Macrobiotics " by Michio Kushi. He was starting

to get real interested in food at 10 months, so I was looking

at our diet pretty intensely. Though nearly 100% vegan and

well-versed in whole grains, I still consumed potatoes, tomatoes,

and eggplant fairly regularly. Mmmmm, eggplant! ;-)

It's only been about 7 months, and we're still not 100%

macro, but that's ok with me. I like taking it stages at

a time, it's more relaxing for me this way. After the new year,

I cooked almost solely out of macro cookbooks for about 2 weeks,

and we all have never felt better! I am so humbled by the wisdom in

these age-old principles.

There is a slight imbalance with Ari right now, I will create

a new post in the hopes that or or Ilanit or

some other experienced mamas (even you, Reg) might know

something about....

til next post,

Namgyal

>

> Namgyal thank you for your post. I'm glad you're not lurking but

> posting.

> How long were you in India for? What brought you to macrobiotics?

> I still don't agree with consuming dairy products from other animals

> other than baby with their newborn but I understand the religious

> aspect of it. There's also a huge difference between factory

> farming, keeping cows locked on milking machines, taking their male

> babies and sending them off to become veal and or taking the dried

> out females and killing them before their time to become 'food'. The

> energy from that consumption is much different. Still not condoning

> dairy consumption mind you.

> Keep the comments coming please........

> Peace,

> Reggie

[Guest guest]

Hey Namgyal

So Ari was you little miracle to come from India? How nice. Maybe

you can put some pix on the site sometime?

I don't like to conserve my energy, I love to annoy people and love

to tell them what they are doing, even if they only get it

subconsciously. I have all sorts of bumper stickers on my car and

one time some whacko nearly ran me off the road in a heated rage just

to tell me I'm crazy. LOL right, I'm crazy b/c I want people to

treat animals in a more humane manner. Hilarious.

100% macro? That's a joke what is that exactly? We've had that

discussion here so many times. Have no fear you can cheat, I won't

tell the macro police, or the vegan police. BUT you have to be

careful b/c the vegan police belongs to this group.

Peace,

Reggie

> >

> > Namgyal thank you for your post. I'm glad you're not lurking

but

> > posting.

> > How long were you in India for? What brought you to macrobiotics?

> > I still don't agree with consuming dairy products from other

animals

> > other than baby with their newborn but I understand the religious

> > aspect of it. There's also a huge difference between factory

> > farming, keeping cows locked on milking machines, taking their

male

> > babies and sending them off to become veal and or taking the

dried

> > out females and killing them before their time to become 'food'.

The

> > energy from that consumption is much different. Still not

condoning

> > dairy consumption mind you.

> > Keep the comments coming please........

> > Peace,

> > Reggie

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Namgyal

So Ari was you little miracle to come from India? How nice. Maybe

you can put some pix on the site sometime?

I don't like to conserve my energy, I love to annoy people and love

to tell them what they are doing, even if they only get it

subconsciously. I have all sorts of bumper stickers on my car and

one time some whacko nearly ran me off the road in a heated rage just

to tell me I'm crazy. LOL right, I'm crazy b/c I want people to

treat animals in a more humane manner. Hilarious.

100% macro? That's a joke what is that exactly? We've had that

discussion here so many times. Have no fear you can cheat, I won't

tell the macro police, or the vegan police. BUT you have to be

careful b/c the vegan police belongs to this group.

Peace,

Reggie

> >

> > Namgyal thank you for your post. I'm glad you're not lurking

but

> > posting.

> > How long were you in India for? What brought you to macrobiotics?

> > I still don't agree with consuming dairy products from other

animals

> > other than baby with their newborn but I understand the religious

> > aspect of it. There's also a huge difference between factory

> > farming, keeping cows locked on milking machines, taking their

male

> > babies and sending them off to become veal and or taking the

dried

> > out females and killing them before their time to become 'food'.

The

> > energy from that consumption is much different. Still not

condoning

> > dairy consumption mind you.

> > Keep the comments coming please........

> > Peace,

> > Reggie

>

[Guest guest]

Hello .

Well, I always thought that milks are not advised for regular use in

macrobiotics, since they are very yin. So my response would be 'none

of them', but this is not a possible choice in your poll.

Hope I am not very wrong in this point.

With love,

>

> I set this up as a poll simply because I am very curious ...which do

> you think is the healthiest choice:

>

> Almond milk

> soy milk

> rice milk

> oat milk

> other

>

> ...and of the above, which do you find the most enjoyable?

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

You make a very good point.

When I started macrobiotics there was only soya milk and this was positively discouraged. Michio turned out to be correct and insightful as this was more than twenty years before all the recent negative findings started to appear. I wonder when people would use all these alternatives? A whole oat porridge is so creamy you would not need to had any milk or milk alternative. Herb teas do not really suit any kind of milk. It is probably more healthy and safer to drink a fresh vegetable or fruit juice than any of these milks. Generally the need does not arise in a macrobiotic style of eating and there are still questions to be asked of all these milks in terms of how they are processed and what effect this has on their more fragile nutrients such as oils.

All the best,

Simon

Hello .

Well, I always thought that milks are not advised for regular use in

macrobiotics, since they are very yin. So my response would be 'none

of them', but this is not a possible choice in your poll.

Hope I am not very wrong in this point.

With love,

>

> I set this up as a poll simply because I am very curious ...which do

> you think is the healthiest choice:

>

> Almond milk

> soy milk

> rice milk

> oat milk

> other

>

> ...and of the above, which do you find the most enjoyable?

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting.

....and I really don't think a person can be wrong with their beliefs of what is best for them

" ...become the change you envision." Lemoine

From: VeganMacrobiotics [mailto:VeganMacrobiotics ] On Behalf Of Sent: February 8, 2007 2:28 AMTo: VeganMacrobiotics Subject: Re: Grain, cereal or nut milk

Hello .Well, I always thought that milks are not advised for regular use inmacrobiotics, since they are very yin. So my response would be 'noneof them', but this is not a possible choice in your poll. Hope I am not very wrong in this point.With love,>> I set this up as a poll simply because I am very curious ...which do > you think is the healthiest choice:> > Almond milk> soy milk> rice milk> oat milk> other> > ...and of the above, which do you find the most enjoyable?>

[Guest guest]

Interesting.

....and I really don't think a person can be wrong with their beliefs of what is best for them

" ...become the change you envision." Lemoine

From: VeganMacrobiotics [mailto:VeganMacrobiotics ] On Behalf Of Sent: February 8, 2007 2:28 AMTo: VeganMacrobiotics Subject: Re: Grain, cereal or nut milk

Hello .Well, I always thought that milks are not advised for regular use inmacrobiotics, since they are very yin. So my response would be 'noneof them', but this is not a possible choice in your poll. Hope I am not very wrong in this point.With love,>> I set this up as a poll simply because I am very curious ...which do > you think is the healthiest choice:> > Almond milk> soy milk> rice milk> oat milk> other> > ...and of the above, which do you find the most enjoyable?>