Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Just catching up on this terrific thread. Thanks for kicking it off Larry! Larry, Egly and Larry's MD partner & I had dinner in Chicago a week ago. Larry has a sweet little office in a nice part of town. Chicago is an expensive place so his rent is higher than it is for some. Malpractice is rapacious in Illinois (full time FP without OB is 30K, is that right Larry?). In spite of that, he's bringing home $150k for which he should be justifiably proud. He has two staff and 1.5 providers. Is he an IMP? I vote Yes. He has eliminated the delay for appointments and gotten out of the Mother-may-I triage by " urgency " game He sees people on time His continuity of care is fabulous Advancing along the developmental curve he's taking on improvement of chronic conditions in his practice Is the money enough? Not really - Larry lives in a very expensive part of the country and has kids going to college.His second year into IMP he's moving into the developmental stage of raising the bar on chronic care. We've learned anecdotally on the listserv that different parts of the country have huge variation in the big drivers of finances. Malpractice, reimbursement, rent are the biggest external drivers. Please remember these basic principles: Take-home income is that money left over after you pay your expenses. The IMP model is not solo-solo, but a sustainable practice capable of delivering patient centered collaborative care (PCCC) Low overhead practices are more likely to be sustainable than high overhead practices. There are some parts of the country where - due to the unfortunate mix of reimbursement and expense - no practice can survive without subsidy. Our country elects to treat certain citizens as second rate and to create systems of payment and eligibility that give them third-world level care It is theoretically possible to deliver PCCC in a high flow practice, and we eagerly await the practice that can demonstrate the capability. We have demonstrated PCCC in very low flow practices AND in moderate flow practices like Larry's We have to work together to continue to push for fundamental and substantial changes to the way we pay for health care That payment ought to focus on rewarding the behaviors that lead to PCCC From the IMP project we now have tools that can quickly tell us how well a practice performs (read this article: Wasson JH, DJ, R, , J, MacKenzie TA. Patients Report Positive Impacts of Collaborative Care, Journal of Ambulatory Care Management Vol 29, No 3, pp. 201-208). We're demonstrating so far that IMPs are the best in the nation at delivering patient centered collaborative care (see attached, please excuse the typo about 2007, should be 2006). The public has no interest in doctors asking for more money when the care we deliver is demonstrably second rate or worse (McGlynn, E: New England Journal of Medicine. 348(26):2635-45, 2003 Jun 26). We have a place at the national table when we have put our houses in order. The good news is that through demonstration of our good work, we have captured the attention of some very important people and organizations. Our guest speaker at the IMP convocation is Webber, the CEO of the National Business Coalition on Health. He and his organization are eager partners as we engage the nation in a discussion of solutions to our growing crisis in health care. Gordon At 12:12 PM 9/15/2006, you wrote: , I agree with what you are saying, but therein lies the problem. Most of us made the leap to this form of practice to provide higher quality care and have more professional satisfaction, and hoped the money would flow in as well. Insurances pay for quantity and so this has not been entirely the case, and as we add and see more patients, the time spent with each patient declines and at some point (I don’t know where) the doctor-patient relationship begins to falter and the quality begins to drop. At the same time, increasing chaos in the office (from more employees, more phone calls, etc) further destroys quality. So, following this line of thought, the only way to provide high quality medicine is to not accept insurances, which then alienates us from the majority of people who don’t want to pay privately. So, in our lovely society, in order to financially make ends meet we have to lower our standards, increasing our risk of getting sued and increasing our overhead further. So, the insurances have really become the force driving poor quality. Ironically, then the same companies send letters saying that they are enrolling your diabetics in special case manager classes to ensure quality. It really sucks! Sorry for being disgruntled, but having “climbed the mountain and looked down into the promised land,” I hate that others might not join us in the journey. Maybe something will change somewhere….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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