Guest guest Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 . how annoying! Inger > This kind of thing goes on even in online businesses. Many years ago I was a > moderator on website belonging to one of the big news companies (don't want > to say who since they technically told me not to discuss this, but it has been > about 10 years now). My job was to co-moderate live discussion forums. There > were usually several that met each night and I worked one room about three > night per week. > > Things were going along pretty well, even if some of the rules were silly. > For example, moderators were not supposed to express personal opinions or ask > questions too pointed of questions on the topics. Needless to say that often > became boring for everyone. So, I would usually bend the rules a bit by > playing Devil's Advocate and keeping debate going. Since I was rather good at doing > this while not stirring the debate into a riot, the moderators would > sometimes argue about who was going to get me. > > That changed when the original head of the section was replaced by a > corporate suit. This fellow didn't know anyone in the group and was quite abrasive. > The big moment came when this company was in negotiations with several of the > internet services of the time. To tell you what a mess lawyers can make of > things, each internet company was going to be allowed to use only certain of > the firm's news shows. Other internet companies were not allowed to use ANY > material from shows not allotted to them. This made absolutely no sense since we > were technically a part of the news firm and not the internet firm. Not > being able to mention or use material from some of the network's programming > really hamstrung us. > > We were having this big meeting one night with the new head man (bear in > mind this was all done over the internet). So there we were in the chatroom and > talking about this. IMs were going around about what are we supposed to do and > all kinds of confusion. Since noone else seemed like they were going to ask, > so I did. I asked the head man if we were going to get a list of shows we > could and could not use. Get this, he said no. To which I said, then how are we > supposed to know which shows we can and can't use. He said we would be told. > So could we talk about the shows now? No, because some had already been > parcelled out. Which ones? He wouldn't say. > > During all of this I was getting a lot of support by IMs, including from the > leaders of the group. Then I asked how were could do our jobs since we were > supposed to be using the network's programming as the basis of our topics. He > gave a mealy mouthed answer to which I said partly in jest, " then I guess we > should all just hire lawyers then. " He didn't like that too much, but most of > the staff sent me supporting emails and most even thought it was funny. > > To make the rest short, I got fired. The head man appearently got to the > group leaders and forced them to come up with some bogus reasons for my being > fired. All they could come up with were issues they had known of before, like my > playing Devil's Advocate and connectivity troubles, but those were accepted, > until that night. Even though I had been supported before, noone came to my > aid when they heard I was fired. For that matter only the host I usually > worked with even expressed sympathy. Actually he did try to get me rehired and > stuck up for me, but he was the only one. > > At any rate, it wasn't much over a year later that the group was on its last > legs. I guess the suit made such a mess of things that within another six > months they had shut down altogether. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 , I didn't see this post of yours before I wrote mine. I don't think it's qute fair to see all NT's as this though, or ALL Aspies as predominanely constructive, but as a more common general trend among many from either group that I have come in contact with, I'd be inclined to agree. Inger wrote: >Tom, I think you have a point there. It really does not seem that they >think about the future, just about momentary gain. However, I do think that >they are capable of planning for the future, but mostly related to personal >gain at the expense of others. Probably most of the is limited to social >maneuvering and scheming to gain a better social position or tear down >someone else and keep them from getting ahead of oneself. That seems to be >what goes on in the office and other places. > Also, they are capable of scheming to defraud others of money. The world > is full of conmen, extortionists and others like them. I recently read > about one who thought so far ahead that when she was caught, she claimed > not guilty because the was adicted to defrauding senior citizens! (OK, > that is your addiction. It also makes you a danger to society so we are > going to put you away for a very long time.) Right now I think one of my > neighbors is being subjected to just such a scam. I would love to talk > about it but since it is very likely to come to trial before long, I don't > want to say anything about it. > What I think makes us different is that we may plan for the future in a > different way. When I was team leader in that class, I would plan our > projects thinking about what would be best for the group. I knew the > strengths and weaknesses of each person and what style of presentation we > were best at and how we best approached topics. So by the last couple of > classes I could put out a rough proposal right off the top of my head that > was always received well. As a group we would refine and polish it and put > out a good product. Some of the other groups seemed to have more internal > divisions and arguments over who would do what and format and such. While > we did have discussions, they were always productive and not negative. > So perhaps that is it. Perhaps we take a more constructive view of things > than the NTs. Of course, that is not to say we always do. We do have our > down times when depression and the blues have hold of us and other times > when we are angry. I was speaking overall. FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, all female members of FAM Secret Society may join FAM Ladies' Lodge http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FAMLadiesLodge/ and all males from Secret Society may join FAM Gentlemen's Guild http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FAMGentlemensGuild/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 , I didn't see this post of yours before I wrote mine. I don't think it's qute fair to see all NT's as this though, or ALL Aspies as predominanely constructive, but as a more common general trend among many from either group that I have come in contact with, I'd be inclined to agree. Inger wrote: >Tom, I think you have a point there. It really does not seem that they >think about the future, just about momentary gain. However, I do think that >they are capable of planning for the future, but mostly related to personal >gain at the expense of others. Probably most of the is limited to social >maneuvering and scheming to gain a better social position or tear down >someone else and keep them from getting ahead of oneself. That seems to be >what goes on in the office and other places. > Also, they are capable of scheming to defraud others of money. The world > is full of conmen, extortionists and others like them. I recently read > about one who thought so far ahead that when she was caught, she claimed > not guilty because the was adicted to defrauding senior citizens! (OK, > that is your addiction. It also makes you a danger to society so we are > going to put you away for a very long time.) Right now I think one of my > neighbors is being subjected to just such a scam. I would love to talk > about it but since it is very likely to come to trial before long, I don't > want to say anything about it. > What I think makes us different is that we may plan for the future in a > different way. When I was team leader in that class, I would plan our > projects thinking about what would be best for the group. I knew the > strengths and weaknesses of each person and what style of presentation we > were best at and how we best approached topics. So by the last couple of > classes I could put out a rough proposal right off the top of my head that > was always received well. As a group we would refine and polish it and put > out a good product. Some of the other groups seemed to have more internal > divisions and arguments over who would do what and format and such. While > we did have discussions, they were always productive and not negative. > So perhaps that is it. Perhaps we take a more constructive view of things > than the NTs. Of course, that is not to say we always do. We do have our > down times when depression and the blues have hold of us and other times > when we are angry. I was speaking overall. FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, all female members of FAM Secret Society may join FAM Ladies' Lodge http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FAMLadiesLodge/ and all males from Secret Society may join FAM Gentlemen's Guild http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FAMGentlemensGuild/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 , I didn't see this post of yours before I wrote mine. I don't think it's qute fair to see all NT's as this though, or ALL Aspies as predominanely constructive, but as a more common general trend among many from either group that I have come in contact with, I'd be inclined to agree. Inger wrote: >Tom, I think you have a point there. It really does not seem that they >think about the future, just about momentary gain. However, I do think that >they are capable of planning for the future, but mostly related to personal >gain at the expense of others. Probably most of the is limited to social >maneuvering and scheming to gain a better social position or tear down >someone else and keep them from getting ahead of oneself. That seems to be >what goes on in the office and other places. > Also, they are capable of scheming to defraud others of money. The world > is full of conmen, extortionists and others like them. I recently read > about one who thought so far ahead that when she was caught, she claimed > not guilty because the was adicted to defrauding senior citizens! (OK, > that is your addiction. It also makes you a danger to society so we are > going to put you away for a very long time.) Right now I think one of my > neighbors is being subjected to just such a scam. I would love to talk > about it but since it is very likely to come to trial before long, I don't > want to say anything about it. > What I think makes us different is that we may plan for the future in a > different way. When I was team leader in that class, I would plan our > projects thinking about what would be best for the group. I knew the > strengths and weaknesses of each person and what style of presentation we > were best at and how we best approached topics. So by the last couple of > classes I could put out a rough proposal right off the top of my head that > was always received well. As a group we would refine and polish it and put > out a good product. Some of the other groups seemed to have more internal > divisions and arguments over who would do what and format and such. While > we did have discussions, they were always productive and not negative. > So perhaps that is it. Perhaps we take a more constructive view of things > than the NTs. Of course, that is not to say we always do. We do have our > down times when depression and the blues have hold of us and other times > when we are angry. I was speaking overall. FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, all female members of FAM Secret Society may join FAM Ladies' Lodge http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FAMLadiesLodge/ and all males from Secret Society may join FAM Gentlemen's Guild http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FAMGentlemensGuild/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 wrote: > I know I am not a troll just a highly confussed person. Hi , I never thought you were a troll. Just a highly confused person. ;-) > After reading about trolling everything seemed to be trollish. Yes, but only for a day or so. I don't think we have any trolls here. Inger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 wrote: > I know I am not a troll just a highly confussed person. Hi , I never thought you were a troll. Just a highly confused person. ;-) > After reading about trolling everything seemed to be trollish. Yes, but only for a day or so. I don't think we have any trolls here. Inger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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