Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Hi There I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having been married to one for many years. I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is very draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also charge what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers, 9 ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and work with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers, mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid their worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks do and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and why not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more peaceful, exciting or healthy. In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to survive and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has money it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like saying if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what we choose to vibrate to. I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be a very different person today if I hadn't met them. Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday Brown Waxman www.celebrate4health.com www.bebabywise.com info@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 it is true what you are saying BUT you also have to remember that traditional doctors take insurance, there are sliding scales for therapy and always a community center of sorts for free therapy. Usually most who seek counseling on that level have it paid for by insurance. Those who do pay privately can afford it. I don't think it's a matter of " people are willing to pay large sums for..... " I think it's people are able to.... Also sometimes someone will scrimp and save their pennies all year long for a special luxury item. I do understand everyone needs to make a living, that's for sure. But in Western society money has become grossly exaggerated in importance. I rarely hear of a counselor story where they are willing to barter or lower their fees for one who is broke. Very often there will be someone who is gravely ill, on a limited income but they have insurance. MB counselors do not take insurance so can a person afford $600? No I don't ever remember a concert that I went to that was $300, $400, $500, $600, $700 or $800. Heck I've never paid more than $30 for a concert I think........... Null treats everyone he counsels free, never charges them a thing. That is impressive. It's also a big risk for some to borrow such a large amount of money b/c frankly it's part of the unknown. Most conventional people are not willing to lend out larger amounts of cash for 'hocus pocus counseling or cures'. I do think that a lower rate would allow more people to show and come more often. I will say that Lino has been VERY generous with me in the past and others. I have only nice things to say about his help. He and Jane have always offered to help me out. Also I have heard stories where a 'big time counselor' will see a new client, throw a few words at them and stay less than 30 mins and then out the door no follow up but please cough up the $500. That leaves people feeling hopeless. Some will drone on and on about romantic relations when the person doesn't care about them only getting healthier physically yet not getting any insight in that respect and NEVER following through. There is one counselor in Canada all he spoke about was give me the money give me the money rush rush call non stop and then as soon as he got the money he was out the door, 6 months later still no consultation. He wouldn't even send the consultation papers until he was paid in full. The forms to fill out asked NOTHING except name, address and phone number type of information. No food diary, no pictures required, no favorite foods, nothing. I find that outrageous. I'm not so sure comparing counselors to entertainers or sports figures is a good analogy. Those in the healing field are on a different level of understanding in this world. Healing (from a legitimate level as most counselors try to attain) is much more on a spiritual level, closer to G-d and on a realistic plane of existence. Not one of monetary existence, one would hope............. Actually most of the world's wealth is amongst less than 5% of the population. There are many many more starving than living it up. Peace, Reggie > > Hi There > > I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having been married to one for many years. > > I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is very draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also charge what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers, 9 ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and work with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers, mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid their worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks do and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and why not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more peaceful, exciting or healthy. > > In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to survive and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has money it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like saying if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what we choose to vibrate to. > > I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be a very different person today if I hadn't met them. > > Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday > > > Brown Waxman > www.celebrate4health.com > www.bebabywise.com > info@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Reggie I hear what you are saying and unfortunately there are quacks out there in all areas - chiropracters come to mind immediately - however I also know some wonderful chiropracters who work really hard and are extremely good at what they do - should we then right off the whole practice because of the ones that aren't so good - that would be a shame indeed. Of course there is insurance for many practices today and as yet not for many alternatives. You may not pay more that $30 for a concert but I was in Las Vegas a few weeks ago and $300 a ticket for a show wasn't outrageous for a ticket there and a ticket to see the eagles is incredibly expensive. Of course I am not comparing those in the healing field to entertainers but the point is that people want those entertainers and are willing to pay for them. It is really up to the individual what they pay for and I whole heartedly agree that a sliding scale is the best way to go for those who can't afford a counselor. I just wonder what you expect those on the healing path to live on. As far as I know so called gurus are extremely weathly and also those in the religious fields seem to do very well too. I have always been happy to pay for my treatments/sessions and feel that is part of the whole experience. I am a single mum of 7 kids as you know and believe me, I don't have much to go around and I work very hard to make a great life for my family. There have been times when I have spent money to see a body worker when there really weren't any extras but I felt that it would help me to open up and be more able to attract new and different experiences and the money would come back to me in many ways. Blessings Re: consulting fees > > it is true what you are saying BUT you also have to remember >that traditional doctors take insurance, there are sliding scales for >therapy and always a community center of sorts for free therapy. >Usually most who seek counseling on that level have it paid for by >insurance. Those who do pay privately can afford it. > >I don't think it's a matter of " people are willing to pay large sums >for..... " I think it's people are able to.... > >Also sometimes someone will scrimp and save their pennies all year >long for a special luxury item. I do understand everyone needs to >make a living, that's for sure. But in Western society money has >become grossly exaggerated in importance. I rarely hear of a >counselor story where they are willing to barter or lower their fees >for one who is broke. Very often there will be someone who is >gravely ill, on a limited income but they have insurance. MB >counselors do not take insurance so can a person afford $600? No >I don't ever remember a concert that I went to that was $300, $400, >$500, $600, $700 or $800. Heck I've never paid more than $30 for a >concert I think........... > > Null treats everyone he counsels free, never charges them a >thing. That is impressive. > >It's also a big risk for some to borrow such a large amount of money >b/c frankly it's part of the unknown. Most conventional people are >not willing to lend out larger amounts of cash for 'hocus pocus >counseling or cures'. I do think that a lower rate would allow more >people to show and come more often. > >I will say that Lino has been VERY generous with me in the past and >others. I have only nice things to say about his help. He and Jane >have always offered to help me out. > >Also I have heard stories where a 'big time counselor' will see a new >client, throw a few words at them and stay less than 30 mins and then >out the door no follow up but please cough up the $500. That leaves >people feeling hopeless. >Some will drone on and on about romantic relations when the person >doesn't care about them only getting healthier physically yet not >getting any insight in that respect and NEVER following through. > >There is one counselor in Canada all he spoke about was give me the >money give me the money rush rush call non stop and then as soon as >he got the money he was out the door, 6 months later still no >consultation. He wouldn't even send the consultation papers until he >was paid in full. The forms to fill out asked NOTHING except name, >address and phone number type of information. No food diary, no >pictures required, no favorite foods, nothing. I find that >outrageous. > >I'm not so sure comparing counselors to entertainers or sports >figures is a good analogy. Those in the healing field are on a >different level of understanding in this world. Healing (from a >legitimate level as most counselors try to attain) is much more on a >spiritual level, closer to G-d and on a realistic plane of >existence. Not one of monetary existence, one would hope............. > >Actually most of the world's wealth is amongst less than 5% of the >population. There are many many more starving than living it up. > >Peace, >Reggie > > >> >> Hi There >> >> I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that >macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having >been married to one for many years. >> >> I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them >are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is very >draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also charge >what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers, 9 >ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have >chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and work >with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers, >mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid their >worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports >personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks do >and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay >large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and why >not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more peaceful, >exciting or healthy. >> >> In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading >whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to survive >and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has money >it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like saying >if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we >give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what we >choose to vibrate to. >> >> I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I >for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my >other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be a >very different person today if I hadn't met them. >> >> Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday >> >> >> Brown Waxman >> www.celebrate4health.com >> www.bebabywise.com >> info@... >> > > Brown Waxman www.celebrate4health.com www.bebabywise.com info@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Hi Reggie, I do see what you mean in terms of fees and time. $500 for half an hour does seem a lot unless there is a lot of ongoing advice and can leave people starting macrobiotics with a bad taste. In the end I suppose if someone have great results the prices might seem worthwhile regardless but that would leave a lot of people who perhaps do not get the outcome they looking for feeling upset. The interesting thing is that the public / macrobiotic community has the power to put all the fees and what is offered on a web site and then people can see what they can get for their money and shop around. This might moderate some of the excesses and help push up and increase the services / ongoing advice etc on offer. There could even be a bit for reviews! My own prices (on my web site) are the equivalent of $300 for a consultation in person and $200 by phone and email. I put what this includes in another posting. Are you the person to put up a site! All the best, Simon Simon G. Brown 22 Belsize Square London NW3 4HT +44 (0) 20 7431 9897 simon@... http://www.chienergy.co.uk/ Reggie I hear what you are saying and unfortunately there are quacks out there in all areas - chiropracters come to mind immediately - however I also know some wonderful chiropracters who work really hard and are extremely good at what they do - should we then right off the whole practice because of the ones that aren't so good - that would be a shame indeed. Of course there is insurance for many practices today and as yet not for many alternatives. You may not pay more that $30 for a concert but I was in Las Vegas a few weeks ago and $300 a ticket for a show wasn't outrageous for a ticket there and a ticket to see the eagles is incredibly expensive. Of course I am not comparing those in the healing field to entertainers but the point is that people want those entertainers and are willing to pay for them. It is really up to the individual what they pay for and I whole heartedly agree that a sliding scale is the best way to go for those who can't afford a counselor. I just wonder what you expect those on the healing path to live on. As far as I know so called gurus are extremely weathly and also those in the religious fields seem to do very well too. I have always been happy to pay for my treatments/sessions and feel that is part of the whole experience. I am a single mum of 7 kids as you know and believe me, I don't have much to go around and I work very hard to make a great life for my family. There have been times when I have spent money to see a body worker when there really weren't any extras but I felt that it would help me to open up and be more able to attract new and different experiences and the money would come back to me in many ways. Blessings Re: consulting fees > > it is true what you are saying BUT you also have to remember >that traditional doctors take insurance, there are sliding scales for >therapy and always a community center of sorts for free therapy. >Usually most who seek counseling on that level have it paid for by >insurance. Those who do pay privately can afford it. > >I don't think it's a matter of " people are willing to pay large sums >for..... " I think it's people are able to.... > >Also sometimes someone will scrimp and save their pennies all year >long for a special luxury item. I do understand everyone needs to >make a living, that's for sure. But in Western society money has >become grossly exaggerated in importance. I rarely hear of a >counselor story where they are willing to barter or lower their fees >for one who is broke. Very often there will be someone who is >gravely ill, on a limited income but they have insurance. MB >counselors do not take insurance so can a person afford $600? No >I don't ever remember a concert that I went to that was $300, $400, >$500, $600, $700 or $800. Heck I've never paid more than $30 for a >concert I think........... > > Null treats everyone he counsels free, never charges them a >thing. That is impressive. > >It's also a big risk for some to borrow such a large amount of money >b/c frankly it's part of the unknown. Most conventional people are >not willing to lend out larger amounts of cash for 'hocus pocus >counseling or cures'. I do think that a lower rate would allow more >people to show and come more often. > >I will say that Lino has been VERY generous with me in the past and >others. I have only nice things to say about his help. He and Jane >have always offered to help me out. > >Also I have heard stories where a 'big time counselor' will see a new >client, throw a few words at them and stay less than 30 mins and then >out the door no follow up but please cough up the $500. That leaves >people feeling hopeless. >Some will drone on and on about romantic relations when the person >doesn't care about them only getting healthier physically yet not >getting any insight in that respect and NEVER following through. > >There is one counselor in Canada all he spoke about was give me the >money give me the money rush rush call non stop and then as soon as >he got the money he was out the door, 6 months later still no >consultation. He wouldn't even send the consultation papers until he >was paid in full. The forms to fill out asked NOTHING except name, >address and phone number type of information. No food diary, no >pictures required, no favorite foods, nothing. I find that >outrageous. > >I'm not so sure comparing counselors to entertainers or sports >figures is a good analogy. Those in the healing field are on a >different level of understanding in this world. Healing (from a >legitimate level as most counselors try to attain) is much more on a >spiritual level, closer to G-d and on a realistic plane of >existence. Not one of monetary existence, one would hope............. > >Actually most of the world's wealth is amongst less than 5% of the >population. There are many many more starving than living it up. > >Peace, >Reggie > > >> >> Hi There >> >> I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that >macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having >been married to one for many years. >> >> I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them >are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is very >draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also charge >what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers, 9 >ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have >chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and work >with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers, >mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid their >worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports >personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks do >and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay >large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and why >not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more peaceful, >exciting or healthy. >> >> In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading >whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to survive >and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has money >it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like saying >if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we >give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what we >choose to vibrate to. >> >> I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I >for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my >other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be a >very different person today if I hadn't met them. >> >> Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday >> >> >> Brown Waxman >> www.celebrate4health.com >> www.bebabywise.com >> info@... >> > > Brown Waxman www.celebrate4health.com www.bebabywise.com info@... <mailto:info%40celebrate4health.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 , There is no way I could ever afford to pay $300 for a concert. My income is $618 a month and then some food stamps that's it. I know many who have less than I do, I am grateful for what I do have. I don't know if single mom is interpreted differently in the UK but here in the US it's generally referred to a woman who has no help financially or any other way from the father. Hence raising the child/children single. The fact that conventional drs take insurance is a tremendous difference......... Yes, you're correct so called gurus can be frauds, tv evangalists too, but if you look at the world as a mass that's not the case, pick out a few, the top famous few in the spotlight and you will find wealth. I have been on a spiritual journey of recent and what I'm learning and experiencing is many of modest means taught to follow a life without material wealth. Hinduism teaches such and the Asian population is one of the largest around. I was just at several communities and met many 'guru's' they all live at temples with simple clothing and no cars or homes or jewelry, don't go to movies, drink, or anything. They tour around the world chanting, learning and teaching the words of G-d. Yes, that's wealth but spiritual. Something we take with us when we die........ I'm sorry to hear your experience with those of the spiritual path were ones that didn't live the lives they should. Sad indeed. I'm not disputing that you work hard I don't even recall saying that, but please do correct me if I did and accept my apologies. All I am saying is there are many that do work hard and don't live lavish or luxurious lives and or can't afford much material gain. As far as what people should live from. Well, like I said charging less often would have someone come more often or more people. Look at the concept behind WalMart cheap prices more customers, much cash flow. I looked at the prices of private consultations for the cruise, there was a big range. was charging $300 where others were charging more than double. is a big wig as far as I know, she's on tv, writen books, most know who she is. She is down to earth and seems quite humble (my opinion of course). Like I said before Null doesn't charge a cent yet he has money and lots of it. He sells books, supplements, invests, whatever. Give to the world and we shall get in return. Is money the only way? Yes, we need to pay our bills that's true. More money we get the more we learn to spend. Peace, Reggie > >> > >> Hi There > >> > >> I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that > >macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having > >been married to one for many years. > >> > >> I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them > >are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is very > >draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also charge > >what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers, 9 > >ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have > >chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and work > >with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers, > >mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid their > >worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports > >personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks do > >and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay > >large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and why > >not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more peaceful, > >exciting or healthy. > >> > >> In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading > >whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to survive > >and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has money > >it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like saying > >if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we > >give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what we > >choose to vibrate to. > >> > >> I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I > >for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my > >other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be a > >very different person today if I hadn't met them. > >> > >> Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday > >> > >> > >> Brown Waxman > >> www.celebrate4health.com > >> www.bebabywise.com > >> info@ > >> > > > > > > > Brown Waxman > www.celebrate4health.com > www.bebabywise.com > info@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Simon, Don't get me wrong, if I had a life threatening disease there is no price I could put on getting back my health........ I just mean like you noticed the lack of follow up and attitude and sometimes lack of information. As in ANY field there are great people and there are jerks. That's just life. I think your prices are reasonable AND I already know what type of counselor you are. I would imagine no follow up issues nor any control issues. I am not the person to put up the info b/c I have already seen what happens to people in that situation. People get quite defensive....... But it is good to have a nice network. Peace, Reggie > >>> >> > >>> >> Hi There > >>> >> > >>> >> I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that > >> >macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having > >> >been married to one for many years. > >>> >> > >>> >> I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them > >> >are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is very > >> >draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also charge > >> >what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers, 9 > >> >ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have > >> >chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and work > >> >with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers, > >> >mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid their > >> >worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports > >> >personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks do > >> >and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay > >> >large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and why > >> >not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more peaceful, > >> >exciting or healthy. > >>> >> > >>> >> In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading > >> >whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to survive > >> >and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has money > >> >it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like saying > >> >if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we > >> >give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what we > >> >choose to vibrate to. > >>> >> > >>> >> I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I > >> >for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my > >> >other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be a > >> >very different person today if I hadn't met them. > >>> >> > >>> >> Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Brown Waxman > >>> >> www.celebrate4health.com > >>> >> www.bebabywise.com > >>> >> info@ > >>> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > Brown Waxman > > www.celebrate4health.com > > www.bebabywise.com > > info@... <mailto:info%40celebrate4health.com> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 I was in a rush before but did want to mention that with or without help you are raising 7 kids and that is A LOT. I think just going thru pregnancy and delivery of 7 kids is a lot so the raising part is much more. So I don't want you to think I minimize what you do do with them. What you could call yourself is superbusy mom of 7? LOL Absolutely, I believe in the laws of attraction too. Peace, Reggie > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Hi There > >>>> >> > >>>> >> I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that > >>> >macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having > >>> >been married to one for many years. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them > >>> >are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is very > >>> >draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also charge > >>> >what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers, 9 > >>> >ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have > >>> >chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and work > >>> >with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers, > >>> >mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid their > >>> >worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports > >>> >personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks do > >>> >and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay > >>> >large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and why > >>> >not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more peaceful, > >>> >exciting or healthy. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading > >>> >whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to survive > >>> >and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has money > >>> >it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like saying > >>> >if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we > >>> >give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what we > >>> >choose to vibrate to. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I > >>> >for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my > >>> >other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be a > >>> >very different person today if I hadn't met them. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Brown Waxman > >>>> >> www.celebrate4health.com > >>>> >> www.bebabywise.com > >>>> >> info@ > >>>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > >> > >> Brown Waxman > >> www.celebrate4health.com > >> www.bebabywise.com > >> info@... <mailto:info%40celebrate4health.com> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Brown Waxman > www.celebrate4health.com > www.bebabywise.com > info@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 I was in a rush before but did want to mention that with or without help you are raising 7 kids and that is A LOT. I think just going thru pregnancy and delivery of 7 kids is a lot so the raising part is much more. So I don't want you to think I minimize what you do do with them. What you could call yourself is superbusy mom of 7? LOL Absolutely, I believe in the laws of attraction too. Peace, Reggie > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Hi There > >>>> >> > >>>> >> I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that > >>> >macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having > >>> >been married to one for many years. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them > >>> >are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is very > >>> >draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also charge > >>> >what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers, 9 > >>> >ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have > >>> >chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and work > >>> >with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers, > >>> >mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid their > >>> >worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports > >>> >personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks do > >>> >and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay > >>> >large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and why > >>> >not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more peaceful, > >>> >exciting or healthy. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading > >>> >whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to survive > >>> >and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has money > >>> >it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like saying > >>> >if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we > >>> >give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what we > >>> >choose to vibrate to. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I > >>> >for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my > >>> >other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be a > >>> >very different person today if I hadn't met them. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Brown Waxman > >>>> >> www.celebrate4health.com > >>>> >> www.bebabywise.com > >>>> >> info@ > >>>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > >> > >> Brown Waxman > >> www.celebrate4health.com > >> www.bebabywise.com > >> info@... <mailto:info%40celebrate4health.com> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Brown Waxman > www.celebrate4health.com > www.bebabywise.com > info@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 , Up to consumers to not get ripped off? So we should expect the worst and hope for the best? I don't think so. Also imagine someone very ill barely can move, being told they are going to die soon and they want to seek help but do not know where to turn with minimal funds. So they should expect to get screwed b/c they don't know anyone? When someone is dying or just had some chemo and can't get out of bed b/c they are throwing up they hardly have the energy or mental awareness to start making all sorts of calls. They hope and pray the person they find will be honest why shouldn't we expect that? While in NY I stayed with a friend who is going through chemo she was in horrible shape couldn't move she was so upset about it she could only cry. Should I expect someone in her position to pound the pavement finding the right counselor? Have you never had a bad consumer experience? I'm sure you have and wished it didn't happen, I'm sure you don't say serves me right. I have the 'advantage' of people from this list writing me privately with complaints and heard a million bad counselor stories. I've heard more bad than good ones. I'm not at all saying there are more bad than good but this is not the way it should be. Also that's a very high price to pay for experience. It's very easy for us to speculate when we are not dying or broke tho shamefully. $12 meal is not nearly as big an expense as a $500 or 600 consultation though right? Yes, had a great weekend thanks Hope you did too. Reg > > > > > > Hi There > > > > > > I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that > > macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having > > been married to one for many years. > > > > > > I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them > > are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is > very > > draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also > charge > > what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy > healers, 9 > > ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have > > chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and > work > > with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers, > > mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid > their > > worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports > > personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks > do > > and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay > > large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and > why > > not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more > peaceful, > > exciting or healthy. > > > > > > In our society we have decided to use money as a means for > trading > > whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to > survive > > and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has > money > > it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like > saying > > if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we > > give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what > we > > choose to vibrate to. > > > > > > I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. > I > > for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and > my > > other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be > a > > very different person today if I hadn't met them. > > > > > > Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday > > > > > > > > > Brown Waxman > > > www.celebrate4health.com > > > www.bebabywise.com > > > info@ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 , Up to consumers to not get ripped off? So we should expect the worst and hope for the best? I don't think so. Also imagine someone very ill barely can move, being told they are going to die soon and they want to seek help but do not know where to turn with minimal funds. So they should expect to get screwed b/c they don't know anyone? When someone is dying or just had some chemo and can't get out of bed b/c they are throwing up they hardly have the energy or mental awareness to start making all sorts of calls. They hope and pray the person they find will be honest why shouldn't we expect that? While in NY I stayed with a friend who is going through chemo she was in horrible shape couldn't move she was so upset about it she could only cry. Should I expect someone in her position to pound the pavement finding the right counselor? Have you never had a bad consumer experience? I'm sure you have and wished it didn't happen, I'm sure you don't say serves me right. I have the 'advantage' of people from this list writing me privately with complaints and heard a million bad counselor stories. I've heard more bad than good ones. I'm not at all saying there are more bad than good but this is not the way it should be. Also that's a very high price to pay for experience. It's very easy for us to speculate when we are not dying or broke tho shamefully. $12 meal is not nearly as big an expense as a $500 or 600 consultation though right? Yes, had a great weekend thanks Hope you did too. Reg > > > > > > Hi There > > > > > > I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that > > macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having > > been married to one for many years. > > > > > > I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them > > are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is > very > > draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also > charge > > what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy > healers, 9 > > ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have > > chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and > work > > with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers, > > mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid > their > > worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports > > personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks > do > > and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay > > large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and > why > > not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more > peaceful, > > exciting or healthy. > > > > > > In our society we have decided to use money as a means for > trading > > whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to > survive > > and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has > money > > it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like > saying > > if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we > > give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what > we > > choose to vibrate to. > > > > > > I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. > I > > for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and > my > > other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be > a > > very different person today if I hadn't met them. > > > > > > Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday > > > > > > > > > Brown Waxman > > > www.celebrate4health.com > > > www.bebabywise.com > > > info@ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 When I lived in Japan, I heard about this woman who did reiki and the person who recommended her said she was great, so I went. This reiki person started to ask me about why I was there, what I wanted to heal, etc., and then suddenly, the whole healer/client relationship got flipped, and she was pouring her heart out to me and I was counseling her. I left feeling so incredibly drained, FOR DAYS. It was horrible. I def. I never never went back, and I warned people that she might not be in the best space to be healing. It was uncomfortable b/c she would turn up in yoga workshops that I was going to and then she actually chastised me for not coming back. I was also told about a monk from Canada teaching dharma near where I lived (still in Japan) and decided to check that out too. In a room full of about 30 people he publicly put down someone for drinking and smoking though phrased it as a joke, and then when the night was over, he hit the keg. It was subtle, and maybe not many people noticed it, but it really bothered me. I never wanted to hear his dharma again. I do fully believe it's up to us to take care of ourselves. How could I know that either of these people were the way they were? I had no way to know, and went expecting the best and looking forward to it. We DO want to trust people in authority and that they would adhere to the Hippocratic Oath. However, it was up to me to formulate those personal boundaries with what I felt was acceptable behavior given the relationship. Perhaps other people had different personal boundaries and were able to hear the message or receive the energy?? But I would be a victim if I felt that I had to keep going to them and had no choice. We have choices. If it's not a good doctor, counselor, dentist, etc, switch and consider it a lesson learned!! (I've learned other lessons the hard way.) Someone who is ill, pregnant, elderly, or a child, would be a special population and that population is very vulnerable. It's definitely a different situation. Perhaps they would benefit by having friends or family willing to help. We should expect all professionals to have rigorous standards, and when we discover when some do not, we need to make better or different choices for ourselves. Exactly my point about the $12. It's not very much, but people still complain about it. It's all in perspective. > > > > > > > > Hi There > > > > > > > > I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees > that > > > macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them > having > > > been married to one for many years. > > > > > > > > I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of > them > > > are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is > > very > > > draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also > > charge > > > what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy > > healers, 9 > > > ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have > > > chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and > > work > > > with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers, > > > mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid > > their > > > worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports > > > personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks > > do > > > and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to > pay > > > large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and > > why > > > not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more > > peaceful, > > > exciting or healthy. > > > > > > > > In our society we have decided to use money as a means for > > trading > > > whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to > > survive > > > and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has > > money > > > it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like > > saying > > > if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we > > > give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what > > we > > > choose to vibrate to. > > > > > > > > I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. > > I > > > for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and > > my > > > other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would > be > > a > > > very different person today if I hadn't met them. > > > > > > > > Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown Waxman > > > > www.celebrate4health.com > > > > www.bebabywise.com > > > > info@ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Sorry to hear that stuff. My whole point was not for " regular people seeking to better themselves " I was pretty much talking about people who cannot afford and are very ill. Either way sucks for anyone to get ripped off. Also mentioning that I've heard lots of bad stories. From time to time I'll hear a bad dentist story. Also, with traditional medicine IF we had that bad experience we at least had the insurance to find someone else to fix the other problem. Dig? To some people on a very limited budget $12 IS a lot of money. But if you're going to go out to eat you expect to pay for it. If you still want to go and can't afford much you go to a place and just get an appetizer........ Peace, Reg > > When I lived in Japan, I heard about this woman who did reiki and > the person who recommended her said she was great, so I went. This > reiki person started to ask me about why I was there, what I wanted > to heal, etc., and then suddenly, the whole healer/client > relationship got flipped, and she was pouring her heart out to me > and I was counseling her. I left feeling so incredibly drained, FOR > DAYS. It was horrible. I def. I never never went back, and I warned > people that she might not be in the best space to be healing. It > was uncomfortable b/c she would turn up in yoga workshops that I was > going to and then she actually chastised me for not coming back. > > I was also told about a monk from Canada teaching dharma near where > I lived (still in Japan) and decided to check that out too. In a > room full of about 30 people he publicly put down someone for > drinking and smoking though phrased it as a joke, and then when the > night was over, he hit the keg. It was subtle, and maybe not many > people noticed it, but it really bothered me. I never wanted to hear > his dharma again. > > I do fully believe it's up to us to take care of ourselves. How > could I know that either of these people were the way they were? I > had no way to know, and went expecting the best and looking forward > to it. We DO want to trust people in authority and that they would > adhere to the Hippocratic Oath. However, it was up to me to > formulate those personal boundaries with what I felt was acceptable > behavior given the relationship. Perhaps other people had different > personal boundaries and were able to hear the message or receive the > energy?? But I would be a victim if I felt that I had to keep going > to them and had no choice. We have choices. If it's not a good > doctor, counselor, dentist, etc, switch and consider it a lesson > learned!! > > (I've learned other lessons the hard way.) > > Someone who is ill, pregnant, elderly, or a child, would be a > special population and that population is very vulnerable. It's > definitely a different situation. Perhaps they would benefit by > having friends or family willing to help. > > We should expect all professionals to have rigorous standards, and > when we discover when some do not, we need to make better or > different choices for ourselves. > > Exactly my point about the $12. It's not very much, but people > still complain about it. It's all in perspective. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Sorry to hear that stuff. My whole point was not for " regular people seeking to better themselves " I was pretty much talking about people who cannot afford and are very ill. Either way sucks for anyone to get ripped off. Also mentioning that I've heard lots of bad stories. From time to time I'll hear a bad dentist story. Also, with traditional medicine IF we had that bad experience we at least had the insurance to find someone else to fix the other problem. Dig? To some people on a very limited budget $12 IS a lot of money. But if you're going to go out to eat you expect to pay for it. If you still want to go and can't afford much you go to a place and just get an appetizer........ Peace, Reg > > When I lived in Japan, I heard about this woman who did reiki and > the person who recommended her said she was great, so I went. This > reiki person started to ask me about why I was there, what I wanted > to heal, etc., and then suddenly, the whole healer/client > relationship got flipped, and she was pouring her heart out to me > and I was counseling her. I left feeling so incredibly drained, FOR > DAYS. It was horrible. I def. I never never went back, and I warned > people that she might not be in the best space to be healing. It > was uncomfortable b/c she would turn up in yoga workshops that I was > going to and then she actually chastised me for not coming back. > > I was also told about a monk from Canada teaching dharma near where > I lived (still in Japan) and decided to check that out too. In a > room full of about 30 people he publicly put down someone for > drinking and smoking though phrased it as a joke, and then when the > night was over, he hit the keg. It was subtle, and maybe not many > people noticed it, but it really bothered me. I never wanted to hear > his dharma again. > > I do fully believe it's up to us to take care of ourselves. How > could I know that either of these people were the way they were? I > had no way to know, and went expecting the best and looking forward > to it. We DO want to trust people in authority and that they would > adhere to the Hippocratic Oath. However, it was up to me to > formulate those personal boundaries with what I felt was acceptable > behavior given the relationship. Perhaps other people had different > personal boundaries and were able to hear the message or receive the > energy?? But I would be a victim if I felt that I had to keep going > to them and had no choice. We have choices. If it's not a good > doctor, counselor, dentist, etc, switch and consider it a lesson > learned!! > > (I've learned other lessons the hard way.) > > Someone who is ill, pregnant, elderly, or a child, would be a > special population and that population is very vulnerable. It's > definitely a different situation. Perhaps they would benefit by > having friends or family willing to help. > > We should expect all professionals to have rigorous standards, and > when we discover when some do not, we need to make better or > different choices for ourselves. > > Exactly my point about the $12. It's not very much, but people > still complain about it. It's all in perspective. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Sorry to hear that stuff. My whole point was not for " regular people seeking to better themselves " I was pretty much talking about people who cannot afford and are very ill. Either way sucks for anyone to get ripped off. Also mentioning that I've heard lots of bad stories. From time to time I'll hear a bad dentist story. Also, with traditional medicine IF we had that bad experience we at least had the insurance to find someone else to fix the other problem. Dig? To some people on a very limited budget $12 IS a lot of money. But if you're going to go out to eat you expect to pay for it. If you still want to go and can't afford much you go to a place and just get an appetizer........ Peace, Reg > > When I lived in Japan, I heard about this woman who did reiki and > the person who recommended her said she was great, so I went. This > reiki person started to ask me about why I was there, what I wanted > to heal, etc., and then suddenly, the whole healer/client > relationship got flipped, and she was pouring her heart out to me > and I was counseling her. I left feeling so incredibly drained, FOR > DAYS. It was horrible. I def. I never never went back, and I warned > people that she might not be in the best space to be healing. It > was uncomfortable b/c she would turn up in yoga workshops that I was > going to and then she actually chastised me for not coming back. > > I was also told about a monk from Canada teaching dharma near where > I lived (still in Japan) and decided to check that out too. In a > room full of about 30 people he publicly put down someone for > drinking and smoking though phrased it as a joke, and then when the > night was over, he hit the keg. It was subtle, and maybe not many > people noticed it, but it really bothered me. I never wanted to hear > his dharma again. > > I do fully believe it's up to us to take care of ourselves. How > could I know that either of these people were the way they were? I > had no way to know, and went expecting the best and looking forward > to it. We DO want to trust people in authority and that they would > adhere to the Hippocratic Oath. However, it was up to me to > formulate those personal boundaries with what I felt was acceptable > behavior given the relationship. Perhaps other people had different > personal boundaries and were able to hear the message or receive the > energy?? But I would be a victim if I felt that I had to keep going > to them and had no choice. We have choices. If it's not a good > doctor, counselor, dentist, etc, switch and consider it a lesson > learned!! > > (I've learned other lessons the hard way.) > > Someone who is ill, pregnant, elderly, or a child, would be a > special population and that population is very vulnerable. It's > definitely a different situation. Perhaps they would benefit by > having friends or family willing to help. > > We should expect all professionals to have rigorous standards, and > when we discover when some do not, we need to make better or > different choices for ourselves. > > Exactly my point about the $12. It's not very much, but people > still complain about it. It's all in perspective. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 I have a big problem here. I seem to read several people think that I believe mb counselors shouldn't get paid. I want to point out again I NEVER said that. That is ridiculous. If I had the time or energy I would go back and cut and paste my posts which point out the opposite. But I do have a problem with the crappy short pompous type of attitude consults with a $500, 600 or 700 bill attached. $200 ones like that suck too, heck $50 ones like that would too. Interesting what you bring up about your class. It's wonderful that you have such a great and supportive group that really wants to learn and grow. I'm glad you cherish it. Peace, Reggie > > To all of you who have contributed, this is a very meaningful discussion and I am grateful to all of you for making it deeper and bringing out so many thoughtful positions. > I remember reading also in that site from England discussions on how mb counseling can be improved - someone here can find the specific articles?? > Reggie, it's a very heart (hard) moving point re people who are seriously ill - I wish I could retype the Gesundheit book (by Patch M.D.) - he makes all the points of why healing encompasses so many different facets and why he had chosen to make it free - to unentangle so many issues - to get to trust and giving. > otoh, I totally understand and Simon - yes, all do deserve to get compensated for all the hard work they do. At least in how the society is set up today. I wonder how they did it in the old days, with the Witch Doctor (is that what they were called?) in the Indian tribes. I think it goes back to the points Patch makes about living in a community, or extended family - which is so sorely lacking today - too many people isolated and lonely - yes we have this cyber family, but it's too limiting. We need touch and sharing meals and sharing work and so much that goes into living a balanced great life. > Unfortunately changing society is very very huge - and so in the meanwhile we have to live with the realities that we have. I've been privileged to have two amazing teachers in my life - one, which I am now learning with, is in a class called Megirot - I often talk about it - but the point I want to make for now: one of the necessary parts of this class (we meet once a week) is that during the week, the students are to call the teacher (not really called a teacher, more a facilitator) in order to do an exercise that is basic to the class - many were not calling (including me) and the teacher came one day and announced that she is going to take a break, she didn't know for how long, because people weren't calling. We were all in shock, we all love and grow from the class and didn't want to lose it. She explained that she also needed to work on herself, and she did this through the calls from her students - if she didn't grow, then there was no point for her to continue. > That was eye opening. We all know that teachers learn from their students, but this really made it clear to me - that teachers are NOT perfect - well, we all " know " that in some way, but truly expect perfection. It was the same when Michio got sick and there were many discussions (also when other big time mb teachers died) - we realized that even if the teacher did not live what he preached, as he too was imperfect, still there was much to learn from them. > otoh, I'd asked Jeanne (my amazing teacher from Belgium) what was it about her that made us all love and learn so much with her - she said because she does live what she teaches and then people can trust her. But again, with her we had the discussion should we go to doctors who are obviously not well (smoking, overweight, etc) and she said, absolutely yes, as we do learn also from them. > Yet still I also want the perfect person if someone asks whom should they go to - I have been privileged to have had several local mb teachers, but here in Israel we are limited, and though I have learned from and am grateful to all my teachers, I am stuck when someone asks for a referral - I am sure they have all helped ill people, but because I see their limitations, I feel I have to warn the client. But then who am I to know if the match won't help the person? who am I to say well this person is limited (read human!!!!) therefore it won't help?? Yes, I too have heard not such great things but in the big picture I think learning mb in any and all ways is better than being stuck in the old ways. > Has anyone read Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg and Marc Ian Barasch (one of the books Verne Verona had recommended)? Here (and in many other books) healing comes about in many ways - and this isn't a book saying do it this way, it will help you - it's about the recovery road many took and the ways many people dealt with their challenges. The bottom line is they had to make BIG changes in their life (so obvious in hindsight, as how they were is why they got ill- bigger the front, bigger the back) and the changes had to come from deep inside themselves. Yes, obviously it helps to have amazing counselors/teachers/doctors to help guide the one struggling. > All this rambling and I'm not sure I have any answers. > But again, I am full of awe to those who teach and counsel - the world needs you, mb couldn't continue and spread without you. Simon, , , Ilanit - I feel so privileged to read your words and wise advice to people, and also feel so privileged to realize how special all of you are in giving so much to us. I wish you all great strength to continue your good works, for you all to remain healthy and not get burned out and to continue the Great Life with much joy which you give over to all around you. > Klara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 I have a big problem here. I seem to read several people think that I believe mb counselors shouldn't get paid. I want to point out again I NEVER said that. That is ridiculous. If I had the time or energy I would go back and cut and paste my posts which point out the opposite. But I do have a problem with the crappy short pompous type of attitude consults with a $500, 600 or 700 bill attached. $200 ones like that suck too, heck $50 ones like that would too. Interesting what you bring up about your class. It's wonderful that you have such a great and supportive group that really wants to learn and grow. I'm glad you cherish it. Peace, Reggie > > To all of you who have contributed, this is a very meaningful discussion and I am grateful to all of you for making it deeper and bringing out so many thoughtful positions. > I remember reading also in that site from England discussions on how mb counseling can be improved - someone here can find the specific articles?? > Reggie, it's a very heart (hard) moving point re people who are seriously ill - I wish I could retype the Gesundheit book (by Patch M.D.) - he makes all the points of why healing encompasses so many different facets and why he had chosen to make it free - to unentangle so many issues - to get to trust and giving. > otoh, I totally understand and Simon - yes, all do deserve to get compensated for all the hard work they do. At least in how the society is set up today. I wonder how they did it in the old days, with the Witch Doctor (is that what they were called?) in the Indian tribes. I think it goes back to the points Patch makes about living in a community, or extended family - which is so sorely lacking today - too many people isolated and lonely - yes we have this cyber family, but it's too limiting. We need touch and sharing meals and sharing work and so much that goes into living a balanced great life. > Unfortunately changing society is very very huge - and so in the meanwhile we have to live with the realities that we have. I've been privileged to have two amazing teachers in my life - one, which I am now learning with, is in a class called Megirot - I often talk about it - but the point I want to make for now: one of the necessary parts of this class (we meet once a week) is that during the week, the students are to call the teacher (not really called a teacher, more a facilitator) in order to do an exercise that is basic to the class - many were not calling (including me) and the teacher came one day and announced that she is going to take a break, she didn't know for how long, because people weren't calling. We were all in shock, we all love and grow from the class and didn't want to lose it. She explained that she also needed to work on herself, and she did this through the calls from her students - if she didn't grow, then there was no point for her to continue. > That was eye opening. We all know that teachers learn from their students, but this really made it clear to me - that teachers are NOT perfect - well, we all " know " that in some way, but truly expect perfection. It was the same when Michio got sick and there were many discussions (also when other big time mb teachers died) - we realized that even if the teacher did not live what he preached, as he too was imperfect, still there was much to learn from them. > otoh, I'd asked Jeanne (my amazing teacher from Belgium) what was it about her that made us all love and learn so much with her - she said because she does live what she teaches and then people can trust her. But again, with her we had the discussion should we go to doctors who are obviously not well (smoking, overweight, etc) and she said, absolutely yes, as we do learn also from them. > Yet still I also want the perfect person if someone asks whom should they go to - I have been privileged to have had several local mb teachers, but here in Israel we are limited, and though I have learned from and am grateful to all my teachers, I am stuck when someone asks for a referral - I am sure they have all helped ill people, but because I see their limitations, I feel I have to warn the client. But then who am I to know if the match won't help the person? who am I to say well this person is limited (read human!!!!) therefore it won't help?? Yes, I too have heard not such great things but in the big picture I think learning mb in any and all ways is better than being stuck in the old ways. > Has anyone read Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg and Marc Ian Barasch (one of the books Verne Verona had recommended)? Here (and in many other books) healing comes about in many ways - and this isn't a book saying do it this way, it will help you - it's about the recovery road many took and the ways many people dealt with their challenges. The bottom line is they had to make BIG changes in their life (so obvious in hindsight, as how they were is why they got ill- bigger the front, bigger the back) and the changes had to come from deep inside themselves. Yes, obviously it helps to have amazing counselors/teachers/doctors to help guide the one struggling. > All this rambling and I'm not sure I have any answers. > But again, I am full of awe to those who teach and counsel - the world needs you, mb couldn't continue and spread without you. Simon, , , Ilanit - I feel so privileged to read your words and wise advice to people, and also feel so privileged to realize how special all of you are in giving so much to us. I wish you all great strength to continue your good works, for you all to remain healthy and not get burned out and to continue the Great Life with much joy which you give over to all around you. > Klara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 LOL I was just going to mention her! > But again, I am full of awe to those who teach and counsel - the world needs you, mb couldn't continue and spread without you. Simon, , , Ilanit - I feel so privileged to read your words and wise advice to people, and also feel so privileged to realize how special all of you are in giving so much to us. I wish you all great strength to continue your good works, for you all to remain healthy and not get burned out and to continue the Great Life with much joy which you give over to all around you. > Klara > > > Recent Activity > > 2 > New Members > > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Hi Reggie, Just for the record, I didn't think you were saying that. You were pointing out discrepancies. > > > > To all of you who have contributed, this is a very meaningful > discussion and I am grateful to all of you for making it deeper and > bringing out so many thoughtful positions. > > I remember reading also in that site from England discussions on > how mb counseling can be improved - someone here can find the > specific articles?? > > Reggie, it's a very heart (hard) moving point re people who are > seriously ill - I wish I could retype the Gesundheit book (by Patch > M.D.) - he makes all the points of why healing encompasses so > many different facets and why he had chosen to make it free - to > unentangle so many issues - to get to trust and giving. > > otoh, I totally understand and Simon - yes, all do > deserve to get compensated for all the hard work they do. At least in > how the society is set up today. I wonder how they did it in the old > days, with the Witch Doctor (is that what they were called?) in the > Indian tribes. I think it goes back to the points Patch makes > about living in a community, or extended family - which is so sorely > lacking today - too many people isolated and lonely - yes we have > this cyber family, but it's too limiting. We need touch and sharing > meals and sharing work and so much that goes into living a balanced > great life. > > Unfortunately changing society is very very huge - and so in the > meanwhile we have to live with the realities that we have. I've been > privileged to have two amazing teachers in my life - one, which I am > now learning with, is in a class called Megirot - I often talk about > it - but the point I want to make for now: one of the necessary parts > of this class (we meet once a week) is that during the week, the > students are to call the teacher (not really called a teacher, more a > facilitator) in order to do an exercise that is basic to the class - > many were not calling (including me) and the teacher came one day and > announced that she is going to take a break, she didn't know for how > long, because people weren't calling. We were all in shock, we all > love and grow from the class and didn't want to lose it. She > explained that she also needed to work on herself, and she did this > through the calls from her students - if she didn't grow, then there > was no point for her to continue. > > That was eye opening. We all know that teachers learn from their > students, but this really made it clear to me - that teachers are NOT > perfect - well, we all " know " that in some way, but truly expect > perfection. It was the same when Michio got sick and there were many > discussions (also when other big time mb teachers died) - we realized > that even if the teacher did not live what he preached, as he too was > imperfect, still there was much to learn from them. > > otoh, I'd asked Jeanne (my amazing teacher from Belgium) what was > it about her that made us all love and learn so much with her - she > said because she does live what she teaches and then people can trust > her. But again, with her we had the discussion should we go to > doctors who are obviously not well (smoking, overweight, etc) and she > said, absolutely yes, as we do learn also from them. > > Yet still I also want the perfect person if someone asks whom > should they go to - I have been privileged to have had several local > mb teachers, but here in Israel we are limited, and though I have > learned from and am grateful to all my teachers, I am stuck when > someone asks for a referral - I am sure they have all helped ill > people, but because I see their limitations, I feel I have to warn > the client. But then who am I to know if the match won't help the > person? who am I to say well this person is limited (read human!!!!) > therefore it won't help?? Yes, I too have heard not such great things > but in the big picture I think learning mb in any and all ways is > better than being stuck in the old ways. > > Has anyone read Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg and Marc > Ian Barasch (one of the books Verne Verona had recommended)? Here > (and in many other books) healing comes about in many ways - and this > isn't a book saying do it this way, it will help you - it's about the > recovery road many took and the ways many people dealt with their > challenges. The bottom line is they had to make BIG changes in their > life (so obvious in hindsight, as how they were is why they got ill- > bigger the front, bigger the back) and the changes had to come from > deep inside themselves. Yes, obviously it helps to have amazing > counselors/teachers/doctors to help guide the one struggling. > > All this rambling and I'm not sure I have any answers. > > But again, I am full of awe to those who teach and counsel - the > world needs you, mb couldn't continue and spread without you. Simon, > , , Ilanit - I feel so privileged to read your words and > wise advice to people, and also feel so privileged to realize how > special all of you are in giving so much to us. I wish you all great > strength to continue your good works, for you all to remain healthy > and not get burned out and to continue the Great Life with much joy > which you give over to all around you. > > Klara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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