consulting fees

[Guest guest]

Hi There

I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that macro

consultants require. I would just like to defend them having been married to one

for many years.

I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them are rolling in

money. They work extremely hard and the work is very draining. I have also

worked with many other healers who also charge what they are worth.

Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers, 9 ki specialists, macro cooks etc

etc. This is the work they have chosed to do on this earth and I feel very

fortunate to know and work with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors,

lawyers, mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid their

worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports personalitys. I think

it is important to respect what other folks do and to realise that we all make

choices. People are willing to pay large sums of money to go to therapists or to

go to concerts and why not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives

more peaceful, exciting or healthy.

In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading whether it is

services or products. Everyone needs money to survive and there is an endless

abundance. Just because one person has money it doesn't mean that someone else

goes without. That is like saying if one person is healthy then another has to

be sick. Whatever we give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is

what we choose to vibrate to.

I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I for one am

very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my other friends who work

in the alternative field. I feel I would be a very different person today if I

hadn't met them.

Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday

Brown Waxman

www.celebrate4health.com

www.bebabywise.com

info@...

[Guest guest]

it is true what you are saying BUT you also have to remember

that traditional doctors take insurance, there are sliding scales for

therapy and always a community center of sorts for free therapy.

Usually most who seek counseling on that level have it paid for by

insurance. Those who do pay privately can afford it.

I don't think it's a matter of " people are willing to pay large sums

for..... " I think it's people are able to....

Also sometimes someone will scrimp and save their pennies all year

long for a special luxury item. I do understand everyone needs to

make a living, that's for sure. But in Western society money has

become grossly exaggerated in importance. I rarely hear of a

counselor story where they are willing to barter or lower their fees

for one who is broke. Very often there will be someone who is

gravely ill, on a limited income but they have insurance. MB

counselors do not take insurance so can a person afford $600? No

I don't ever remember a concert that I went to that was $300, $400,

$500, $600, $700 or $800. Heck I've never paid more than $30 for a

concert I think...........

Null treats everyone he counsels free, never charges them a

thing. That is impressive.

It's also a big risk for some to borrow such a large amount of money

b/c frankly it's part of the unknown. Most conventional people are

not willing to lend out larger amounts of cash for 'hocus pocus

counseling or cures'. I do think that a lower rate would allow more

people to show and come more often.

I will say that Lino has been VERY generous with me in the past and

others. I have only nice things to say about his help. He and Jane

have always offered to help me out.

Also I have heard stories where a 'big time counselor' will see a new

client, throw a few words at them and stay less than 30 mins and then

out the door no follow up but please cough up the $500. That leaves

people feeling hopeless.

Some will drone on and on about romantic relations when the person

doesn't care about them only getting healthier physically yet not

getting any insight in that respect and NEVER following through.

There is one counselor in Canada all he spoke about was give me the

money give me the money rush rush call non stop and then as soon as

he got the money he was out the door, 6 months later still no

consultation. He wouldn't even send the consultation papers until he

was paid in full. The forms to fill out asked NOTHING except name,

address and phone number type of information. No food diary, no

pictures required, no favorite foods, nothing. I find that

outrageous.

I'm not so sure comparing counselors to entertainers or sports

figures is a good analogy. Those in the healing field are on a

different level of understanding in this world. Healing (from a

legitimate level as most counselors try to attain) is much more on a

spiritual level, closer to G-d and on a realistic plane of

existence. Not one of monetary existence, one would hope.............

Actually most of the world's wealth is amongst less than 5% of the

population. There are many many more starving than living it up.

Peace,

Reggie

>

> Hi There

>

> I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that

macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having

been married to one for many years.

>

> I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them

are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is very

draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also charge

what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers, 9

ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have

chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and work

with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers,

mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid their

worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports

personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks do

and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay

large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and why

not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more peaceful,

exciting or healthy.

>

> In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading

whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to survive

and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has money

it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like saying

if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we

give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what we

choose to vibrate to.

>

> I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I

for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my

other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be a

very different person today if I hadn't met them.

>

> Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday

>

>

> Brown Waxman

> www.celebrate4health.com

> www.bebabywise.com

> info@...

>

[Guest guest]

it is true what you are saying BUT you also have to remember

that traditional doctors take insurance, there are sliding scales for

therapy and always a community center of sorts for free therapy.

Usually most who seek counseling on that level have it paid for by

insurance. Those who do pay privately can afford it.

I don't think it's a matter of " people are willing to pay large sums

for..... " I think it's people are able to....

Also sometimes someone will scrimp and save their pennies all year

long for a special luxury item. I do understand everyone needs to

make a living, that's for sure. But in Western society money has

become grossly exaggerated in importance. I rarely hear of a

counselor story where they are willing to barter or lower their fees

for one who is broke. Very often there will be someone who is

gravely ill, on a limited income but they have insurance. MB

counselors do not take insurance so can a person afford $600? No

I don't ever remember a concert that I went to that was $300, $400,

$500, $600, $700 or $800. Heck I've never paid more than $30 for a

concert I think...........

Null treats everyone he counsels free, never charges them a

thing. That is impressive.

It's also a big risk for some to borrow such a large amount of money

b/c frankly it's part of the unknown. Most conventional people are

not willing to lend out larger amounts of cash for 'hocus pocus

counseling or cures'. I do think that a lower rate would allow more

people to show and come more often.

I will say that Lino has been VERY generous with me in the past and

others. I have only nice things to say about his help. He and Jane

have always offered to help me out.

Also I have heard stories where a 'big time counselor' will see a new

client, throw a few words at them and stay less than 30 mins and then

out the door no follow up but please cough up the $500. That leaves

people feeling hopeless.

Some will drone on and on about romantic relations when the person

doesn't care about them only getting healthier physically yet not

getting any insight in that respect and NEVER following through.

There is one counselor in Canada all he spoke about was give me the

money give me the money rush rush call non stop and then as soon as

he got the money he was out the door, 6 months later still no

consultation. He wouldn't even send the consultation papers until he

was paid in full. The forms to fill out asked NOTHING except name,

address and phone number type of information. No food diary, no

pictures required, no favorite foods, nothing. I find that

outrageous.

I'm not so sure comparing counselors to entertainers or sports

figures is a good analogy. Those in the healing field are on a

different level of understanding in this world. Healing (from a

legitimate level as most counselors try to attain) is much more on a

spiritual level, closer to G-d and on a realistic plane of

existence. Not one of monetary existence, one would hope.............

Actually most of the world's wealth is amongst less than 5% of the

population. There are many many more starving than living it up.

Peace,

Reggie

>

> Hi There

>

> I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that

macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having

been married to one for many years.

>

> I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them

are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is very

draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also charge

what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers, 9

ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have

chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and work

with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers,

mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid their

worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports

personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks do

and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay

large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and why

not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more peaceful,

exciting or healthy.

>

> In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading

whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to survive

and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has money

it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like saying

if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we

give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what we

choose to vibrate to.

>

> I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I

for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my

other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be a

very different person today if I hadn't met them.

>

> Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday

>

>

> Brown Waxman

> www.celebrate4health.com

> www.bebabywise.com

> info@...

>

[Guest guest]

Great idea Simon!!

I don't really put myself in the counselling arena but I do offer coaching for

$200 which includes a cooking class, ongoing food diary, 2 free cooklets and

personal recommendations which include emotional and lifestyle. If they can't

afford that then I offer counselling for $150 or I suggest coming to the cooking

class which is very informal and everyone can ask questions there. I also work

with the client at the pace they feel comfortable. I offer public cooking

classes for $45 and private ones for $100 for 2 hours. My massages cost $80 a

session.

Sorry Reggie if I used single mum incorrectly - my ex does help me out so am not

sure what I would call myself - maybe a mum raising 7 kids.

Many of the gurus you mention Reggie are not married and don't have children

thus choosing another path altogether which is wonderful. More recently I have

been working with women who are also mothers and I find it very nourishing.

Again it is all a question of choices and I think that it is fantastic that we

have so many different ways to study and grow. I have found that in the area

where I live there are more and more wonderful teachers and healers that have

started to show up in my life as soon as I began to promote myself. An

interesting example of the laws of attraction - maybe!

Blessings

Re: consulting fees

>>> >

>>> > it is true what you are saying BUT you also have to remember

>>> >that traditional doctors take insurance, there are sliding scales for

>>> >therapy and always a community center of sorts for free therapy.

>>> >Usually most who seek counseling on that level have it paid for by

>>> >insurance. Those who do pay privately can afford it.

>>> >

>>> >I don't think it's a matter of " people are willing to pay large sums

>>> >for..... " I think it's people are able to....

>>> >

>>> >Also sometimes someone will scrimp and save their pennies all year

>>> >long for a special luxury item. I do understand everyone needs to

>>> >make a living, that's for sure. But in Western society money has

>>> >become grossly exaggerated in importance. I rarely hear of a

>>> >counselor story where they are willing to barter or lower their fees

>>> >for one who is broke. Very often there will be someone who is

>>> >gravely ill, on a limited income but they have insurance. MB

>>> >counselors do not take insurance so can a person afford $600? No

>>> >I don't ever remember a concert that I went to that was $300, $400,

>>> >$500, $600, $700 or $800. Heck I've never paid more than $30 for a

>>> >concert I think...........

>>> >

>>> > Null treats everyone he counsels free, never charges them a

>>> >thing. That is impressive.

>>> >

>>> >It's also a big risk for some to borrow such a large amount of money

>>> >b/c frankly it's part of the unknown. Most conventional people are

>>> >not willing to lend out larger amounts of cash for 'hocus pocus

>>> >counseling or cures'. I do think that a lower rate would allow more

>>> >people to show and come more often.

>>> >

>>> >I will say that Lino has been VERY generous with me in the past and

>>> >others. I have only nice things to say about his help. He and Jane

>>> >have always offered to help me out.

>>> >

>>> >Also I have heard stories where a 'big time counselor' will see a new

>>> >client, throw a few words at them and stay less than 30 mins and then

>>> >out the door no follow up but please cough up the $500. That leaves

>>> >people feeling hopeless.

>>> >Some will drone on and on about romantic relations when the person

>>> >doesn't care about them only getting healthier physically yet not

>>> >getting any insight in that respect and NEVER following through.

>>> >

>>> >There is one counselor in Canada all he spoke about was give me the

>>> >money give me the money rush rush call non stop and then as soon as

>>> >he got the money he was out the door, 6 months later still no

>>> >consultation. He wouldn't even send the consultation papers until he

>>> >was paid in full. The forms to fill out asked NOTHING except name,

>>> >address and phone number type of information. No food diary, no

>>> >pictures required, no favorite foods, nothing. I find that

>>> >outrageous.

>>> >

>>> >I'm not so sure comparing counselors to entertainers or sports

>>> >figures is a good analogy. Those in the healing field are on a

>>> >different level of understanding in this world. Healing (from a

>>> >legitimate level as most counselors try to attain) is much more on a

>>> >spiritual level, closer to G-d and on a realistic plane of

>>> >existence. Not one of monetary existence, one would hope.............

>>> >

>>> >Actually most of the world's wealth is amongst less than 5% of the

>>> >population. There are many many more starving than living it up.

>>> >

>>> >Peace,

>>> >Reggie

>>> >

>>> >

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Hi There

>>>> >>

>>>> >> I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that

>>> >macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having

>>> >been married to one for many years.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them

>>> >are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is very

>>> >draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also charge

>>> >what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers, 9

>>> >ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have

>>> >chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and work

>>> >with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers,

>>> >mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid their

>>> >worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports

>>> >personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks do

>>> >and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay

>>> >large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and why

>>> >not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more peaceful,

>>> >exciting or healthy.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading

>>> >whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to survive

>>> >and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has money

>>> >it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like saying

>>> >if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we

>>> >give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what we

>>> >choose to vibrate to.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I

>>> >for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my

>>> >other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be a

>>> >very different person today if I hadn't met them.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday

>>>> >>

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Brown Waxman

>>>> >> www.celebrate4health.com

>>>> >> www.bebabywise.com

>>>> >> info@...

>>>> >>

>>> >

>>> >

>>

>> Brown Waxman

>> www.celebrate4health.com

>> www.bebabywise.com

>> info@... <mailto:info%40celebrate4health.com>

>>

>>

>

>

Brown Waxman

www.celebrate4health.com

www.bebabywise.com

info@...

[Guest guest]

Simon,

Don't get me wrong, if I had a life threatening disease there is no

price I could put on getting back my health........

I just mean like you noticed the lack of follow up and attitude and

sometimes lack of information.

As in ANY field there are great people and there are jerks. That's

just life.

I think your prices are reasonable AND I already know what type of

counselor you are. I would imagine no follow up issues nor any

control issues.

I am not the person to put up the info b/c I have already seen what

happens to people in that situation. People get quite

defensive.......

But it is good to have a nice network.

Peace,

Reggie

> >>> >>

> >>> >> Hi There

> >>> >>

> >>> >> I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees

that

> >> >macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them

having

> >> >been married to one for many years.

> >>> >>

> >>> >> I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of

them

> >> >are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is

very

> >> >draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also

charge

> >> >what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy

healers, 9

> >> >ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have

> >> >chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know

and work

> >> >with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers,

> >> >mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid

their

> >> >worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports

> >> >personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other

folks do

> >> >and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to

pay

> >> >large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts

and why

> >> >not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more

peaceful,

> >> >exciting or healthy.

> >>> >>

> >>> >> In our society we have decided to use money as a means for

trading

> >> >whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to

survive

> >> >and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has

money

> >> >it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like

saying

> >> >if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever

we

> >> >give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is

what we

> >> >choose to vibrate to.

> >>> >>

> >>> >> I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay

too. I

> >> >for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors

and my

> >> >other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would

be a

> >> >very different person today if I hadn't met them.

> >>> >>

> >>> >> Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday

> >>> >>

> >>> >>

> >>> >> Brown Waxman

> >>> >> www.celebrate4health.com

> >>> >> www.bebabywise.com

> >>> >> info@

> >>> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >

> > Brown Waxman

> > www.celebrate4health.com

> > www.bebabywise.com

> > info@... <mailto:info%40celebrate4health.com>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Simon,

Don't get me wrong, if I had a life threatening disease there is no

price I could put on getting back my health........

I just mean like you noticed the lack of follow up and attitude and

sometimes lack of information.

As in ANY field there are great people and there are jerks. That's

just life.

I think your prices are reasonable AND I already know what type of

counselor you are. I would imagine no follow up issues nor any

control issues.

I am not the person to put up the info b/c I have already seen what

happens to people in that situation. People get quite

defensive.......

But it is good to have a nice network.

Peace,

Reggie

> >>> >>

> >>> >> Hi There

> >>> >>

> >>> >> I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees

that

> >> >macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them

having

> >> >been married to one for many years.

> >>> >>

> >>> >> I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of

them

> >> >are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is

very

> >> >draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also

charge

> >> >what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy

healers, 9

> >> >ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have

> >> >chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know

and work

> >> >with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers,

> >> >mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid

their

> >> >worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports

> >> >personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other

folks do

> >> >and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to

pay

> >> >large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts

and why

> >> >not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more

peaceful,

> >> >exciting or healthy.

> >>> >>

> >>> >> In our society we have decided to use money as a means for

trading

> >> >whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to

survive

> >> >and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has

money

> >> >it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like

saying

> >> >if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever

we

> >> >give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is

what we

> >> >choose to vibrate to.

> >>> >>

> >>> >> I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay

too. I

> >> >for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors

and my

> >> >other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would

be a

> >> >very different person today if I hadn't met them.

> >>> >>

> >>> >> Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday

> >>> >>

> >>> >>

> >>> >> Brown Waxman

> >>> >> www.celebrate4health.com

> >>> >> www.bebabywise.com

> >>> >> info@

> >>> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >

> > Brown Waxman

> > www.celebrate4health.com

> > www.bebabywise.com

> > info@... <mailto:info%40celebrate4health.com>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I can totally agree. So many people are looking for the easy way,

something for free, or convenience, but when it comes down to it, we

have to commit to our goals, like exercising or eating less to lose

weight, cooking with whole foods, or whatever the case may be,

including going to a counselor or pricey cooking class. We have to

place a value on our health. The natural law of attraction states

this, and what we focus on increases, just like what is

saying.

We do our macro dinner here for $12 which is a steal if you consider

that we use organic whenever possible, and the cost of shipping for

all the specialty items is unreal. We put hours of labor into doing

one night's dinner, from the planning, to the shopping, to the

cooking, and cleanup, and people still complain that it's too

expensive. We are just barely making enough to make it worthwhile.

It's more of a community service and our love of what we do that

makes us want to share with others. I think counselors are like

this too. We can be good at what we do and have that support our

lives and our well-being in a material way. Oprah, for example,

does a darn good job of that.

Aloha,

>

> Hi There

>

> I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that

macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having

been married to one for many years.

>

> I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them

are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is very

draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also charge

what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers,

9 ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have

chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and

work with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers,

mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid

their worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports

personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks do

and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay

large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and why

not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more peaceful,

exciting or healthy.

>

> In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading

whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to survive

and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has money

it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like saying

if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we

give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what we

choose to vibrate to.

>

> I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I

for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my

other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be a

very different person today if I hadn't met them.

>

> Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday

>

>

> Brown Waxman

> www.celebrate4health.com

> www.bebabywise.com

> info@...

>

[Guest guest]

I can totally agree. So many people are looking for the easy way,

something for free, or convenience, but when it comes down to it, we

have to commit to our goals, like exercising or eating less to lose

weight, cooking with whole foods, or whatever the case may be,

including going to a counselor or pricey cooking class. We have to

place a value on our health. The natural law of attraction states

this, and what we focus on increases, just like what is

saying.

We do our macro dinner here for $12 which is a steal if you consider

that we use organic whenever possible, and the cost of shipping for

all the specialty items is unreal. We put hours of labor into doing

one night's dinner, from the planning, to the shopping, to the

cooking, and cleanup, and people still complain that it's too

expensive. We are just barely making enough to make it worthwhile.

It's more of a community service and our love of what we do that

makes us want to share with others. I think counselors are like

this too. We can be good at what we do and have that support our

lives and our well-being in a material way. Oprah, for example,

does a darn good job of that.

Aloha,

>

> Hi There

>

> I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that

macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having

been married to one for many years.

>

> I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them

are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is very

draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also charge

what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers,

9 ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have

chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and

work with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers,

mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid

their worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports

personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks do

and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay

large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and why

not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more peaceful,

exciting or healthy.

>

> In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading

whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to survive

and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has money

it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like saying

if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we

give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what we

choose to vibrate to.

>

> I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I

for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my

other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be a

very different person today if I hadn't met them.

>

> Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday

>

>

> Brown Waxman

> www.celebrate4health.com

> www.bebabywise.com

> info@...

>

[Guest guest]

I can totally agree. So many people are looking for the easy way,

something for free, or convenience, but when it comes down to it, we

have to commit to our goals, like exercising or eating less to lose

weight, cooking with whole foods, or whatever the case may be,

including going to a counselor or pricey cooking class. We have to

place a value on our health. The natural law of attraction states

this, and what we focus on increases, just like what is

saying.

We do our macro dinner here for $12 which is a steal if you consider

that we use organic whenever possible, and the cost of shipping for

all the specialty items is unreal. We put hours of labor into doing

one night's dinner, from the planning, to the shopping, to the

cooking, and cleanup, and people still complain that it's too

expensive. We are just barely making enough to make it worthwhile.

It's more of a community service and our love of what we do that

makes us want to share with others. I think counselors are like

this too. We can be good at what we do and have that support our

lives and our well-being in a material way. Oprah, for example,

does a darn good job of that.

Aloha,

>

> Hi There

>

> I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that

macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having

been married to one for many years.

>

> I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them

are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is very

draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also charge

what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy healers,

9 ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have

chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and

work with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers,

mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid

their worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports

personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks do

and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay

large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and why

not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more peaceful,

exciting or healthy.

>

> In our society we have decided to use money as a means for trading

whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to survive

and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has money

it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like saying

if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we

give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what we

choose to vibrate to.

>

> I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too. I

for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and my

other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be a

very different person today if I hadn't met them.

>

> Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday

>

>

> Brown Waxman

> www.celebrate4health.com

> www.bebabywise.com

> info@...

>

[Guest guest]

Reggie,

I'm sorry there are counselors out there who make not have the best

bedside manner, communication skills, or intuitiveness. It's bad

for our field who is already disadvantaged in terms of people's

perceptions.

Don't you think it's up to consumers to be savvy and shop around?

These days, the best way to find good doctors, mechanics,

babysitters, etc. is to ask friends, family, and co-workers.

Just b/c the person is a macro counselor, pediatrician, massage

therapist, or a dentist (insert whatever profession) doesnt mean

that he or she is " good " or the right fit for any particular

client. We have so many choices for ways to heal ourselves.

It's sort of a trade off with Eastern vs. Western in terms of

insurance... If we want something wholistic, we have to somewhat

accept that difference, though certainly unfortunate that we live in

our society that undervalues alternative approaches.

Hope you had a good weekend,

> >

> > Hi There

> >

> > I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that

> macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having

> been married to one for many years.

> >

> > I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them

> are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is

very

> draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also

charge

> what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy

healers, 9

> ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have

> chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and

work

> with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers,

> mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid

their

> worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports

> personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks

do

> and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay

> large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and

why

> not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more

peaceful,

> exciting or healthy.

> >

> > In our society we have decided to use money as a means for

trading

> whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to

survive

> and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has

money

> it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like

saying

> if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we

> give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what

we

> choose to vibrate to.

> >

> > I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too.

I

> for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and

my

> other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be

a

> very different person today if I hadn't met them.

> >

> > Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday

> >

> >

> > Brown Waxman

> > www.celebrate4health.com

> > www.bebabywise.com

> > info@

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Reggie,

I'm sorry there are counselors out there who make not have the best

bedside manner, communication skills, or intuitiveness. It's bad

for our field who is already disadvantaged in terms of people's

perceptions.

Don't you think it's up to consumers to be savvy and shop around?

These days, the best way to find good doctors, mechanics,

babysitters, etc. is to ask friends, family, and co-workers.

Just b/c the person is a macro counselor, pediatrician, massage

therapist, or a dentist (insert whatever profession) doesnt mean

that he or she is " good " or the right fit for any particular

client. We have so many choices for ways to heal ourselves.

It's sort of a trade off with Eastern vs. Western in terms of

insurance... If we want something wholistic, we have to somewhat

accept that difference, though certainly unfortunate that we live in

our society that undervalues alternative approaches.

Hope you had a good weekend,

> >

> > Hi There

> >

> > I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that

> macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having

> been married to one for many years.

> >

> > I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them

> are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is

very

> draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also

charge

> what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy

healers, 9

> ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have

> chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and

work

> with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers,

> mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid

their

> worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports

> personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks

do

> and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay

> large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and

why

> not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more

peaceful,

> exciting or healthy.

> >

> > In our society we have decided to use money as a means for

trading

> whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to

survive

> and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has

money

> it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like

saying

> if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we

> give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what

we

> choose to vibrate to.

> >

> > I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too.

I

> for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and

my

> other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be

a

> very different person today if I hadn't met them.

> >

> > Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday

> >

> >

> > Brown Waxman

> > www.celebrate4health.com

> > www.bebabywise.com

> > info@

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Reggie,

I'm sorry there are counselors out there who make not have the best

bedside manner, communication skills, or intuitiveness. It's bad

for our field who is already disadvantaged in terms of people's

perceptions.

Don't you think it's up to consumers to be savvy and shop around?

These days, the best way to find good doctors, mechanics,

babysitters, etc. is to ask friends, family, and co-workers.

Just b/c the person is a macro counselor, pediatrician, massage

therapist, or a dentist (insert whatever profession) doesnt mean

that he or she is " good " or the right fit for any particular

client. We have so many choices for ways to heal ourselves.

It's sort of a trade off with Eastern vs. Western in terms of

insurance... If we want something wholistic, we have to somewhat

accept that difference, though certainly unfortunate that we live in

our society that undervalues alternative approaches.

Hope you had a good weekend,

> >

> > Hi There

> >

> > I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees that

> macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them having

> been married to one for many years.

> >

> > I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of them

> are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is

very

> draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also

charge

> what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy

healers, 9

> ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they have

> chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know and

work

> with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers,

> mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also paid

their

> worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports

> personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other folks

do

> and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to pay

> large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts and

why

> not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more

peaceful,

> exciting or healthy.

> >

> > In our society we have decided to use money as a means for

trading

> whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to

survive

> and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has

money

> it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like

saying

> if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever we

> give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is what

we

> choose to vibrate to.

> >

> > I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay too.

I

> for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors and

my

> other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I would be

a

> very different person today if I hadn't met them.

> >

> > Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday

> >

> >

> > Brown Waxman

> > www.celebrate4health.com

> > www.bebabywise.com

> > info@

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have a big problem here. I seem to read several people think that

I believe mb counselors shouldn't get paid. I want to point out

again I NEVER said that. That is ridiculous. If I had the time or

energy I would go back and cut and paste my posts which point out the

opposite. But I do have a problem with the crappy short pompous type

of attitude consults with a $500, 600 or 700 bill attached. $200

ones like that suck too, heck $50 ones like that would too.

Interesting what you bring up about your class. It's wonderful that

you have such a great and supportive group that really wants to learn

and grow. I'm glad you cherish it.

Peace,

Reggie

>

> To all of you who have contributed, this is a very meaningful

discussion and I am grateful to all of you for making it deeper and

bringing out so many thoughtful positions.

> I remember reading also in that site from England discussions on

how mb counseling can be improved - someone here can find the

specific articles??

> Reggie, it's a very heart (hard) moving point re people who are

seriously ill - I wish I could retype the Gesundheit book (by Patch

M.D.) - he makes all the points of why healing encompasses so

many different facets and why he had chosen to make it free - to

unentangle so many issues - to get to trust and giving.

> otoh, I totally understand and Simon - yes, all do

deserve to get compensated for all the hard work they do. At least in

how the society is set up today. I wonder how they did it in the old

days, with the Witch Doctor (is that what they were called?) in the

Indian tribes. I think it goes back to the points Patch makes

about living in a community, or extended family - which is so sorely

lacking today - too many people isolated and lonely - yes we have

this cyber family, but it's too limiting. We need touch and sharing

meals and sharing work and so much that goes into living a balanced

great life.

> Unfortunately changing society is very very huge - and so in the

meanwhile we have to live with the realities that we have. I've been

privileged to have two amazing teachers in my life - one, which I am

now learning with, is in a class called Megirot - I often talk about

it - but the point I want to make for now: one of the necessary parts

of this class (we meet once a week) is that during the week, the

students are to call the teacher (not really called a teacher, more a

facilitator) in order to do an exercise that is basic to the class -

many were not calling (including me) and the teacher came one day and

announced that she is going to take a break, she didn't know for how

long, because people weren't calling. We were all in shock, we all

love and grow from the class and didn't want to lose it. She

explained that she also needed to work on herself, and she did this

through the calls from her students - if she didn't grow, then there

was no point for her to continue.

> That was eye opening. We all know that teachers learn from their

students, but this really made it clear to me - that teachers are NOT

perfect - well, we all " know " that in some way, but truly expect

perfection. It was the same when Michio got sick and there were many

discussions (also when other big time mb teachers died) - we realized

that even if the teacher did not live what he preached, as he too was

imperfect, still there was much to learn from them.

> otoh, I'd asked Jeanne (my amazing teacher from Belgium) what was

it about her that made us all love and learn so much with her - she

said because she does live what she teaches and then people can trust

her. But again, with her we had the discussion should we go to

doctors who are obviously not well (smoking, overweight, etc) and she

said, absolutely yes, as we do learn also from them.

> Yet still I also want the perfect person if someone asks whom

should they go to - I have been privileged to have had several local

mb teachers, but here in Israel we are limited, and though I have

learned from and am grateful to all my teachers, I am stuck when

someone asks for a referral - I am sure they have all helped ill

people, but because I see their limitations, I feel I have to warn

the client. But then who am I to know if the match won't help the

person? who am I to say well this person is limited (read human!!!!)

therefore it won't help?? Yes, I too have heard not such great things

but in the big picture I think learning mb in any and all ways is

better than being stuck in the old ways.

> Has anyone read Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg and Marc

Ian Barasch (one of the books Verne Verona had recommended)? Here

(and in many other books) healing comes about in many ways - and this

isn't a book saying do it this way, it will help you - it's about the

recovery road many took and the ways many people dealt with their

challenges. The bottom line is they had to make BIG changes in their

life (so obvious in hindsight, as how they were is why they got ill-

bigger the front, bigger the back) and the changes had to come from

deep inside themselves. Yes, obviously it helps to have amazing

counselors/teachers/doctors to help guide the one struggling.

> All this rambling and I'm not sure I have any answers.

> But again, I am full of awe to those who teach and counsel - the

world needs you, mb couldn't continue and spread without you. Simon,

, , Ilanit - I feel so privileged to read your words and

wise advice to people, and also feel so privileged to realize how

special all of you are in giving so much to us. I wish you all great

strength to continue your good works, for you all to remain healthy

and not get burned out and to continue the Great Life with much joy

which you give over to all around you.

> Klara

[Guest guest]

Hi Reggie,

Just for the record, I didn't think you were saying that. You were

pointing out discrepancies.

> >

> > To all of you who have contributed, this is a very meaningful

> discussion and I am grateful to all of you for making it deeper

and

> bringing out so many thoughtful positions.

> > I remember reading also in that site from England discussions

on

> how mb counseling can be improved - someone here can find the

> specific articles??

> > Reggie, it's a very heart (hard) moving point re people who

are

> seriously ill - I wish I could retype the Gesundheit book (by

Patch

> M.D.) - he makes all the points of why healing encompasses

so

> many different facets and why he had chosen to make it free - to

> unentangle so many issues - to get to trust and giving.

> > otoh, I totally understand and Simon - yes, all do

> deserve to get compensated for all the hard work they do. At least

in

> how the society is set up today. I wonder how they did it in the

old

> days, with the Witch Doctor (is that what they were called?) in

the

> Indian tribes. I think it goes back to the points Patch

makes

> about living in a community, or extended family - which is so

sorely

> lacking today - too many people isolated and lonely - yes we have

> this cyber family, but it's too limiting. We need touch and

sharing

> meals and sharing work and so much that goes into living a

balanced

> great life.

> > Unfortunately changing society is very very huge - and so in

the

> meanwhile we have to live with the realities that we have. I've

been

> privileged to have two amazing teachers in my life - one, which I

am

> now learning with, is in a class called Megirot - I often talk

about

> it - but the point I want to make for now: one of the necessary

parts

> of this class (we meet once a week) is that during the week, the

> students are to call the teacher (not really called a teacher,

more a

> facilitator) in order to do an exercise that is basic to the

class -

> many were not calling (including me) and the teacher came one day

and

> announced that she is going to take a break, she didn't know for

how

> long, because people weren't calling. We were all in shock, we all

> love and grow from the class and didn't want to lose it. She

> explained that she also needed to work on herself, and she did

this

> through the calls from her students - if she didn't grow, then

there

> was no point for her to continue.

> > That was eye opening. We all know that teachers learn from

their

> students, but this really made it clear to me - that teachers are

NOT

> perfect - well, we all " know " that in some way, but truly expect

> perfection. It was the same when Michio got sick and there were

many

> discussions (also when other big time mb teachers died) - we

realized

> that even if the teacher did not live what he preached, as he too

was

> imperfect, still there was much to learn from them.

> > otoh, I'd asked Jeanne (my amazing teacher from Belgium) what

was

> it about her that made us all love and learn so much with her -

she

> said because she does live what she teaches and then people can

trust

> her. But again, with her we had the discussion should we go to

> doctors who are obviously not well (smoking, overweight, etc) and

she

> said, absolutely yes, as we do learn also from them.

> > Yet still I also want the perfect person if someone asks whom

> should they go to - I have been privileged to have had several

local

> mb teachers, but here in Israel we are limited, and though I have

> learned from and am grateful to all my teachers, I am stuck when

> someone asks for a referral - I am sure they have all helped ill

> people, but because I see their limitations, I feel I have to warn

> the client. But then who am I to know if the match won't help the

> person? who am I to say well this person is limited (read

human!!!!)

> therefore it won't help?? Yes, I too have heard not such great

things

> but in the big picture I think learning mb in any and all ways is

> better than being stuck in the old ways.

> > Has anyone read Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg and

Marc

> Ian Barasch (one of the books Verne Verona had recommended)? Here

> (and in many other books) healing comes about in many ways - and

this

> isn't a book saying do it this way, it will help you - it's about

the

> recovery road many took and the ways many people dealt with their

> challenges. The bottom line is they had to make BIG changes in

their

> life (so obvious in hindsight, as how they were is why they got

ill-

> bigger the front, bigger the back) and the changes had to come

from

> deep inside themselves. Yes, obviously it helps to have amazing

> counselors/teachers/doctors to help guide the one struggling.

> > All this rambling and I'm not sure I have any answers.

> > But again, I am full of awe to those who teach and counsel -

the

> world needs you, mb couldn't continue and spread without you.

Simon,

> , , Ilanit - I feel so privileged to read your words

and

> wise advice to people, and also feel so privileged to realize how

> special all of you are in giving so much to us. I wish you all

great

> strength to continue your good works, for you all to remain

healthy

> and not get burned out and to continue the Great Life with much

joy

> which you give over to all around you.

> > Klara

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Reggie,

Just for the record, I didn't think you were saying that. You were

pointing out discrepancies.

> >

> > To all of you who have contributed, this is a very meaningful

> discussion and I am grateful to all of you for making it deeper

and

> bringing out so many thoughtful positions.

> > I remember reading also in that site from England discussions

on

> how mb counseling can be improved - someone here can find the

> specific articles??

> > Reggie, it's a very heart (hard) moving point re people who

are

> seriously ill - I wish I could retype the Gesundheit book (by

Patch

> M.D.) - he makes all the points of why healing encompasses

so

> many different facets and why he had chosen to make it free - to

> unentangle so many issues - to get to trust and giving.

> > otoh, I totally understand and Simon - yes, all do

> deserve to get compensated for all the hard work they do. At least

in

> how the society is set up today. I wonder how they did it in the

old

> days, with the Witch Doctor (is that what they were called?) in

the

> Indian tribes. I think it goes back to the points Patch

makes

> about living in a community, or extended family - which is so

sorely

> lacking today - too many people isolated and lonely - yes we have

> this cyber family, but it's too limiting. We need touch and

sharing

> meals and sharing work and so much that goes into living a

balanced

> great life.

> > Unfortunately changing society is very very huge - and so in

the

> meanwhile we have to live with the realities that we have. I've

been

> privileged to have two amazing teachers in my life - one, which I

am

> now learning with, is in a class called Megirot - I often talk

about

> it - but the point I want to make for now: one of the necessary

parts

> of this class (we meet once a week) is that during the week, the

> students are to call the teacher (not really called a teacher,

more a

> facilitator) in order to do an exercise that is basic to the

class -

> many were not calling (including me) and the teacher came one day

and

> announced that she is going to take a break, she didn't know for

how

> long, because people weren't calling. We were all in shock, we all

> love and grow from the class and didn't want to lose it. She

> explained that she also needed to work on herself, and she did

this

> through the calls from her students - if she didn't grow, then

there

> was no point for her to continue.

> > That was eye opening. We all know that teachers learn from

their

> students, but this really made it clear to me - that teachers are

NOT

> perfect - well, we all " know " that in some way, but truly expect

> perfection. It was the same when Michio got sick and there were

many

> discussions (also when other big time mb teachers died) - we

realized

> that even if the teacher did not live what he preached, as he too

was

> imperfect, still there was much to learn from them.

> > otoh, I'd asked Jeanne (my amazing teacher from Belgium) what

was

> it about her that made us all love and learn so much with her -

she

> said because she does live what she teaches and then people can

trust

> her. But again, with her we had the discussion should we go to

> doctors who are obviously not well (smoking, overweight, etc) and

she

> said, absolutely yes, as we do learn also from them.

> > Yet still I also want the perfect person if someone asks whom

> should they go to - I have been privileged to have had several

local

> mb teachers, but here in Israel we are limited, and though I have

> learned from and am grateful to all my teachers, I am stuck when

> someone asks for a referral - I am sure they have all helped ill

> people, but because I see their limitations, I feel I have to warn

> the client. But then who am I to know if the match won't help the

> person? who am I to say well this person is limited (read

human!!!!)

> therefore it won't help?? Yes, I too have heard not such great

things

> but in the big picture I think learning mb in any and all ways is

> better than being stuck in the old ways.

> > Has anyone read Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg and

Marc

> Ian Barasch (one of the books Verne Verona had recommended)? Here

> (and in many other books) healing comes about in many ways - and

this

> isn't a book saying do it this way, it will help you - it's about

the

> recovery road many took and the ways many people dealt with their

> challenges. The bottom line is they had to make BIG changes in

their

> life (so obvious in hindsight, as how they were is why they got

ill-

> bigger the front, bigger the back) and the changes had to come

from

> deep inside themselves. Yes, obviously it helps to have amazing

> counselors/teachers/doctors to help guide the one struggling.

> > All this rambling and I'm not sure I have any answers.

> > But again, I am full of awe to those who teach and counsel -

the

> world needs you, mb couldn't continue and spread without you.

Simon,

> , , Ilanit - I feel so privileged to read your words

and

> wise advice to people, and also feel so privileged to realize how

> special all of you are in giving so much to us. I wish you all

great

> strength to continue your good works, for you all to remain

healthy

> and not get burned out and to continue the Great Life with much

joy

> which you give over to all around you.

> > Klara

>

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Ok, thanks for mentioning.

R

> > >

> > > To all of you who have contributed, this is a very meaningful

> > discussion and I am grateful to all of you for making it deeper

> and

> > bringing out so many thoughtful positions.

> > > I remember reading also in that site from England discussions

> on

> > how mb counseling can be improved - someone here can find the

> > specific articles??

> > > Reggie, it's a very heart (hard) moving point re people who

> are

> > seriously ill - I wish I could retype the Gesundheit book (by

> Patch

> > M.D.) - he makes all the points of why healing encompasses

> so

> > many different facets and why he had chosen to make it free - to

> > unentangle so many issues - to get to trust and giving.

> > > otoh, I totally understand and Simon - yes, all do

> > deserve to get compensated for all the hard work they do. At

least

> in

> > how the society is set up today. I wonder how they did it in the

> old

> > days, with the Witch Doctor (is that what they were called?) in

> the

> > Indian tribes. I think it goes back to the points Patch

> makes

> > about living in a community, or extended family - which is so

> sorely

> > lacking today - too many people isolated and lonely - yes we have

> > this cyber family, but it's too limiting. We need touch and

> sharing

> > meals and sharing work and so much that goes into living a

> balanced

> > great life.

> > > Unfortunately changing society is very very huge - and so in

> the

> > meanwhile we have to live with the realities that we have. I've

> been

> > privileged to have two amazing teachers in my life - one, which I

> am

> > now learning with, is in a class called Megirot - I often talk

> about

> > it - but the point I want to make for now: one of the necessary

> parts

> > of this class (we meet once a week) is that during the week, the

> > students are to call the teacher (not really called a teacher,

> more a

> > facilitator) in order to do an exercise that is basic to the

> class -

> > many were not calling (including me) and the teacher came one day

> and

> > announced that she is going to take a break, she didn't know for

> how

> > long, because people weren't calling. We were all in shock, we

all

> > love and grow from the class and didn't want to lose it. She

> > explained that she also needed to work on herself, and she did

> this

> > through the calls from her students - if she didn't grow, then

> there

> > was no point for her to continue.

> > > That was eye opening. We all know that teachers learn from

> their

> > students, but this really made it clear to me - that teachers are

> NOT

> > perfect - well, we all " know " that in some way, but truly expect

> > perfection. It was the same when Michio got sick and there were

> many

> > discussions (also when other big time mb teachers died) - we

> realized

> > that even if the teacher did not live what he preached, as he too

> was

> > imperfect, still there was much to learn from them.

> > > otoh, I'd asked Jeanne (my amazing teacher from Belgium) what

> was

> > it about her that made us all love and learn so much with her -

> she

> > said because she does live what she teaches and then people can

> trust

> > her. But again, with her we had the discussion should we go to

> > doctors who are obviously not well (smoking, overweight, etc) and

> she

> > said, absolutely yes, as we do learn also from them.

> > > Yet still I also want the perfect person if someone asks whom

> > should they go to - I have been privileged to have had several

> local

> > mb teachers, but here in Israel we are limited, and though I have

> > learned from and am grateful to all my teachers, I am stuck when

> > someone asks for a referral - I am sure they have all helped ill

> > people, but because I see their limitations, I feel I have to

warn

> > the client. But then who am I to know if the match won't help the

> > person? who am I to say well this person is limited (read

> human!!!!)

> > therefore it won't help?? Yes, I too have heard not such great

> things

> > but in the big picture I think learning mb in any and all ways is

> > better than being stuck in the old ways.

> > > Has anyone read Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg and

> Marc

> > Ian Barasch (one of the books Verne Verona had recommended)? Here

> > (and in many other books) healing comes about in many ways - and

> this

> > isn't a book saying do it this way, it will help you - it's about

> the

> > recovery road many took and the ways many people dealt with their

> > challenges. The bottom line is they had to make BIG changes in

> their

> > life (so obvious in hindsight, as how they were is why they got

> ill-

> > bigger the front, bigger the back) and the changes had to come

> from

> > deep inside themselves. Yes, obviously it helps to have amazing

> > counselors/teachers/doctors to help guide the one struggling.

> > > All this rambling and I'm not sure I have any answers.

> > > But again, I am full of awe to those who teach and counsel -

> the

> > world needs you, mb couldn't continue and spread without you.

> Simon,

> > , , Ilanit - I feel so privileged to read your words

> and

> > wise advice to people, and also feel so privileged to realize how

> > special all of you are in giving so much to us. I wish you all

> great

> > strength to continue your good works, for you all to remain

> healthy

> > and not get burned out and to continue the Great Life with much

> joy

> > which you give over to all around you.

> > > Klara

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Ok, thanks for mentioning.

R

> > >

> > > To all of you who have contributed, this is a very meaningful

> > discussion and I am grateful to all of you for making it deeper

> and

> > bringing out so many thoughtful positions.

> > > I remember reading also in that site from England discussions

> on

> > how mb counseling can be improved - someone here can find the

> > specific articles??

> > > Reggie, it's a very heart (hard) moving point re people who

> are

> > seriously ill - I wish I could retype the Gesundheit book (by

> Patch

> > M.D.) - he makes all the points of why healing encompasses

> so

> > many different facets and why he had chosen to make it free - to

> > unentangle so many issues - to get to trust and giving.

> > > otoh, I totally understand and Simon - yes, all do

> > deserve to get compensated for all the hard work they do. At

least

> in

> > how the society is set up today. I wonder how they did it in the

> old

> > days, with the Witch Doctor (is that what they were called?) in

> the

> > Indian tribes. I think it goes back to the points Patch

> makes

> > about living in a community, or extended family - which is so

> sorely

> > lacking today - too many people isolated and lonely - yes we have

> > this cyber family, but it's too limiting. We need touch and

> sharing

> > meals and sharing work and so much that goes into living a

> balanced

> > great life.

> > > Unfortunately changing society is very very huge - and so in

> the

> > meanwhile we have to live with the realities that we have. I've

> been

> > privileged to have two amazing teachers in my life - one, which I

> am

> > now learning with, is in a class called Megirot - I often talk

> about

> > it - but the point I want to make for now: one of the necessary

> parts

> > of this class (we meet once a week) is that during the week, the

> > students are to call the teacher (not really called a teacher,

> more a

> > facilitator) in order to do an exercise that is basic to the

> class -

> > many were not calling (including me) and the teacher came one day

> and

> > announced that she is going to take a break, she didn't know for

> how

> > long, because people weren't calling. We were all in shock, we

all

> > love and grow from the class and didn't want to lose it. She

> > explained that she also needed to work on herself, and she did

> this

> > through the calls from her students - if she didn't grow, then

> there

> > was no point for her to continue.

> > > That was eye opening. We all know that teachers learn from

> their

> > students, but this really made it clear to me - that teachers are

> NOT

> > perfect - well, we all " know " that in some way, but truly expect

> > perfection. It was the same when Michio got sick and there were

> many

> > discussions (also when other big time mb teachers died) - we

> realized

> > that even if the teacher did not live what he preached, as he too

> was

> > imperfect, still there was much to learn from them.

> > > otoh, I'd asked Jeanne (my amazing teacher from Belgium) what

> was

> > it about her that made us all love and learn so much with her -

> she

> > said because she does live what she teaches and then people can

> trust

> > her. But again, with her we had the discussion should we go to

> > doctors who are obviously not well (smoking, overweight, etc) and

> she

> > said, absolutely yes, as we do learn also from them.

> > > Yet still I also want the perfect person if someone asks whom

> > should they go to - I have been privileged to have had several

> local

> > mb teachers, but here in Israel we are limited, and though I have

> > learned from and am grateful to all my teachers, I am stuck when

> > someone asks for a referral - I am sure they have all helped ill

> > people, but because I see their limitations, I feel I have to

warn

> > the client. But then who am I to know if the match won't help the

> > person? who am I to say well this person is limited (read

> human!!!!)

> > therefore it won't help?? Yes, I too have heard not such great

> things

> > but in the big picture I think learning mb in any and all ways is

> > better than being stuck in the old ways.

> > > Has anyone read Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg and

> Marc

> > Ian Barasch (one of the books Verne Verona had recommended)? Here

> > (and in many other books) healing comes about in many ways - and

> this

> > isn't a book saying do it this way, it will help you - it's about

> the

> > recovery road many took and the ways many people dealt with their

> > challenges. The bottom line is they had to make BIG changes in

> their

> > life (so obvious in hindsight, as how they were is why they got

> ill-

> > bigger the front, bigger the back) and the changes had to come

> from

> > deep inside themselves. Yes, obviously it helps to have amazing

> > counselors/teachers/doctors to help guide the one struggling.

> > > All this rambling and I'm not sure I have any answers.

> > > But again, I am full of awe to those who teach and counsel -

> the

> > world needs you, mb couldn't continue and spread without you.

> Simon,

> > , , Ilanit - I feel so privileged to read your words

> and

> > wise advice to people, and also feel so privileged to realize how

> > special all of you are in giving so much to us. I wish you all

> great

> > strength to continue your good works, for you all to remain

> healthy

> > and not get burned out and to continue the Great Life with much

> joy

> > which you give over to all around you.

> > > Klara

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Ok, thanks for mentioning.

R

> > >

> > > To all of you who have contributed, this is a very meaningful

> > discussion and I am grateful to all of you for making it deeper

> and

> > bringing out so many thoughtful positions.

> > > I remember reading also in that site from England discussions

> on

> > how mb counseling can be improved - someone here can find the

> > specific articles??

> > > Reggie, it's a very heart (hard) moving point re people who

> are

> > seriously ill - I wish I could retype the Gesundheit book (by

> Patch

> > M.D.) - he makes all the points of why healing encompasses

> so

> > many different facets and why he had chosen to make it free - to

> > unentangle so many issues - to get to trust and giving.

> > > otoh, I totally understand and Simon - yes, all do

> > deserve to get compensated for all the hard work they do. At

least

> in

> > how the society is set up today. I wonder how they did it in the

> old

> > days, with the Witch Doctor (is that what they were called?) in

> the

> > Indian tribes. I think it goes back to the points Patch

> makes

> > about living in a community, or extended family - which is so

> sorely

> > lacking today - too many people isolated and lonely - yes we have

> > this cyber family, but it's too limiting. We need touch and

> sharing

> > meals and sharing work and so much that goes into living a

> balanced

> > great life.

> > > Unfortunately changing society is very very huge - and so in

> the

> > meanwhile we have to live with the realities that we have. I've

> been

> > privileged to have two amazing teachers in my life - one, which I

> am

> > now learning with, is in a class called Megirot - I often talk

> about

> > it - but the point I want to make for now: one of the necessary

> parts

> > of this class (we meet once a week) is that during the week, the

> > students are to call the teacher (not really called a teacher,

> more a

> > facilitator) in order to do an exercise that is basic to the

> class -

> > many were not calling (including me) and the teacher came one day

> and

> > announced that she is going to take a break, she didn't know for

> how

> > long, because people weren't calling. We were all in shock, we

all

> > love and grow from the class and didn't want to lose it. She

> > explained that she also needed to work on herself, and she did

> this

> > through the calls from her students - if she didn't grow, then

> there

> > was no point for her to continue.

> > > That was eye opening. We all know that teachers learn from

> their

> > students, but this really made it clear to me - that teachers are

> NOT

> > perfect - well, we all " know " that in some way, but truly expect

> > perfection. It was the same when Michio got sick and there were

> many

> > discussions (also when other big time mb teachers died) - we

> realized

> > that even if the teacher did not live what he preached, as he too

> was

> > imperfect, still there was much to learn from them.

> > > otoh, I'd asked Jeanne (my amazing teacher from Belgium) what

> was

> > it about her that made us all love and learn so much with her -

> she

> > said because she does live what she teaches and then people can

> trust

> > her. But again, with her we had the discussion should we go to

> > doctors who are obviously not well (smoking, overweight, etc) and

> she

> > said, absolutely yes, as we do learn also from them.

> > > Yet still I also want the perfect person if someone asks whom

> > should they go to - I have been privileged to have had several

> local

> > mb teachers, but here in Israel we are limited, and though I have

> > learned from and am grateful to all my teachers, I am stuck when

> > someone asks for a referral - I am sure they have all helped ill

> > people, but because I see their limitations, I feel I have to

warn

> > the client. But then who am I to know if the match won't help the

> > person? who am I to say well this person is limited (read

> human!!!!)

> > therefore it won't help?? Yes, I too have heard not such great

> things

> > but in the big picture I think learning mb in any and all ways is

> > better than being stuck in the old ways.

> > > Has anyone read Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg and

> Marc

> > Ian Barasch (one of the books Verne Verona had recommended)? Here

> > (and in many other books) healing comes about in many ways - and

> this

> > isn't a book saying do it this way, it will help you - it's about

> the

> > recovery road many took and the ways many people dealt with their

> > challenges. The bottom line is they had to make BIG changes in

> their

> > life (so obvious in hindsight, as how they were is why they got

> ill-

> > bigger the front, bigger the back) and the changes had to come

> from

> > deep inside themselves. Yes, obviously it helps to have amazing

> > counselors/teachers/doctors to help guide the one struggling.

> > > All this rambling and I'm not sure I have any answers.

> > > But again, I am full of awe to those who teach and counsel -

> the

> > world needs you, mb couldn't continue and spread without you.

> Simon,

> > , , Ilanit - I feel so privileged to read your words

> and

> > wise advice to people, and also feel so privileged to realize how

> > special all of you are in giving so much to us. I wish you all

> great

> > strength to continue your good works, for you all to remain

> healthy

> > and not get burned out and to continue the Great Life with much

> joy

> > which you give over to all around you.

> > > Klara

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Great message Mel,

I hope the boys are not trashing your lovely home! They all get on so well.

Love,

Simon

Hi Klara

Thanks for all your inspiring words too. I agree that we can all learn from one another and these discussions are wonderful for opening the mind and helping to see things from another perspective. However it doesn't compare to actually being together in person and really exchanging energy.

I think it is very important to remember that no-one is perfect and who would want to be anyway!! We are all here to grow and develop and at the same time we are ultimately responsible for our lives. We cannot really blame others for things that may have happened to us because in every moment we have a choice. I also believe that to be spiritual does not mean we give away all our possessions, chant and live like a monk, that is only one way. Sometimes to live in the thick of things is really spiritual, to learn how to be adaptable to all situations and mix with many kinds of people, to have loads of money and use it to help the world become a better place. At the same time a simple farmer living the natural life in Portugal can also be considered spiritual.

I think this earth is a playground for us to really enjoy ourselves and we have the choice to do that. Two people can open the same front door. One can see the beautiful garden with flowers and trees and smell the freshness of falling rain and generally feel glad to be alive and the other can see the weeds and the miserable rain and feel grumpy about going to work. Same place, same garden, just a different view. Choices, we all have them in every second. I have met people who were only given a few days to live and yet decided in that moment that they chose life and are still here to tell the tale. There are others who had all the opportunities and didn't make it. I don't think any of us has all the answers and I don't think we always have the answers to why a young child decides to die or another decides to live to be 80. It may seem really sad and tragic from the earth bound perspective but I think we all choose our life and we all choose our death and that path is sometimes! hard for others to comprehend. We are all one and yet we are all unique and have our own destiny to follow.

I think that you are right Klara in saying that really community living is the healthiest. It makes for a stable, secure environment in which to grow and develop and to have fun and adventures. It all starts in the family though. I have had the good fortune to have Simon's three boys to stay. The house is full with 9 kids and I so enjoy watching the kids interact. They haven't spent much time together because of the different countries but they bond as if they have known each other really well. Nothing like sharing, laughter and children to keep the spirit young!!

Blessings for Monday

Love

Re: Re: consulting fees

>

>To all of you who have contributed, this is a very meaningful discussion and I am grateful to all of you for making it deeper and bringing out so many thoughtful positions.

> I remember reading also in that site from England discussions on how mb counseling can be improved - someone here can find the specific articles??

> Reggie, it's a very heart (hard) moving point re people who are seriously ill - I wish I could retype the Gesundheit book (by Patch M.D.) - he makes all the points of why healing encompasses so many different facets and why he had chosen to make it free - to unentangle so many issues - to get to trust and giving.

> otoh, I totally understand and Simon - yes, all do deserve to get compensated for all the hard work they do. At least in how the society is set up today. I wonder how they did it in the old days, with the Witch Doctor (is that what they were called?) in the Indian tribes. I think it goes back to the points Patch makes about living in a community, or extended family - which is so sorely lacking today - too many people isolated and lonely - yes we have this cyber family, but it's too limiting. We need touch and sharing meals and sharing work and so much that goes into living a balanced great life.

> Unfortunately changing society is very very huge - and so in the meanwhile we have to live with the realities that we have. I've been privileged to have two amazing teachers in my life - one, which I am now learning with, is in a class called Megirot - I often talk about it - but the point I want to make for now: one of the necessary parts of this class (we meet once a week) is that during the week, the students are to call the teacher (not really called a teacher, more a facilitator) in order to do an exercise that is basic to the class - many were not calling (including me) and the teacher came one day and announced that she is going to take a break, she didn't know for how long, because people weren't calling. We were all in shock, we all love and grow from the class and didn't want to lose it. She explained that she also needed to work on herself, and she did this through the calls from her students - if she didn't grow, then there was no point for her to continue. > That was eye opening. We all know that teachers learn from their students, but this really made it clear to me - that teachers are NOT perfect - well, we all " know " that in some way, but truly expect perfection. It was the same when Michio got sick and there were many discussions (also when other big time mb teachers died) - we realized that even if the teacher did not live what he preached, as he too was imperfect, still there was much to learn from them.

> otoh, I'd asked Jeanne (my amazing teacher from Belgium) what was it about her that made us all love and learn so much with her - she said because she does live what she teaches and then people can trust her. But again, with her we had the discussion should we go to doctors who are obviously not well (smoking, overweight, etc) and she said, absolutely yes, as we do learn also from them.

> Yet still I also want the perfect person if someone asks whom should they go to - I have been privileged to have had several local mb teachers, but here in Israel we are limited, and though I have learned from and am grateful to all my teachers, I am stuck when someone asks for a referral - I am sure they have all helped ill people, but because I see their limitations, I feel I have to warn the client. But then who am I to know if the match won't help the person? who am I to say well this person is limited (read human!!!!) therefore it won't help?? Yes, I too have heard not such great things but in the big picture I think learning mb in any and all ways is better than being stuck in the old ways.

> Has anyone read Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg and Marc Ian Barasch (one of the books Verne Verona had recommended)? Here (and in many other books) healing comes about in many ways - and this isn't a book saying do it this way, it will help you - it's about the recovery road many took and the ways many people dealt with their challenges. The bottom line is they had to make BIG changes in their life (so obvious in hindsight, as how they were is why they got ill- bigger the front, bigger the back) and the changes had to come from deep inside themselves. Yes, obviously it helps to have amazing counselors/teachers/doctors to help guide the one struggling.

> All this rambling and I'm not sure I have any answers.

> But again, I am full of awe to those who teach and counsel - the world needs you, mb couldn't continue and spread without you. Simon, , , Ilanit - I feel so privileged to read your words and wise advice to people, and also feel so privileged to realize how special all of you are in giving so much to us. I wish you all great strength to continue your good works, for you all to remain healthy and not get burned out and to continue the Great Life with much joy which you give over to all around you.

> Klara

>

>leslieanneashburn <leslieanneashburn@... <mailto:leslieanneashburn%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

> When I lived in Japan, I heard about this woman who did reiki and

>the person who recommended her said she was great, so I went. This

>reiki person started to ask me about why I was there, what I wanted

>to heal, etc., and then suddenly, the whole healer/client

>relationship got flipped, and she was pouring her heart out to me

>and I was counseling her. I left feeling so incredibly drained, FOR

>DAYS. It was horrible. I def. I never never went back, and I warned

>people that she might not be in the best space to be healing. It

>was uncomfortable b/c she would turn up in yoga workshops that I was

>going to and then she actually chastised me for not coming back.

>

>I was also told about a monk from Canada teaching dharma near where

>I lived (still in Japan) and decided to check that out too. In a

>room full of about 30 people he publicly put down someone for

>drinking and smoking though phrased it as a joke, and then when the

>night was over, he hit the keg. It was subtle, and maybe not many

>people noticed it, but it really bothered me. I never wanted to hear

>his dharma again.

>

>I do fully believe it's up to us to take care of ourselves. How

>could I know that either of these people were the way they were? I

>had no way to know, and went expecting the best and looking forward

>to it. We DO want to trust people in authority and that they would

>adhere to the Hippocratic Oath. However, it was up to me to

>formulate those personal boundaries with what I felt was acceptable

>behavior given the relationship. Perhaps other people had different

>personal boundaries and were able to hear the message or receive the

>energy?? But I would be a victim if I felt that I had to keep going

>to them and had no choice. We have choices. If it's not a good

>doctor, counselor, dentist, etc, switch and consider it a lesson

>learned!!

>

>(I've learned other lessons the hard way.)

>

>Someone who is ill, pregnant, elderly, or a child, would be a

>special population and that population is very vulnerable. It's

>definitely a different situation. Perhaps they would benefit by

>having friends or family willing to help.

>

>We should expect all professionals to have rigorous standards, and

>when we discover when some do not, we need to make better or

>different choices for ourselves.

>

>Exactly my point about the $12. It's not very much, but people

>still complain about it. It's all in perspective.

>

>

>

>

>> > > >

>> > > > Hi There

>> > > >

>> > > > I understand that some folks have a hard time with the fees

>> that

>> > > macro consultants require. I would just like to defend them

>> having

>> > > been married to one for many years.

>> > > >

>> > > > I know many macro consultants and I do not feel that any of

>> them

>> > > are rolling in money. They work extremely hard and the work is

>> > very

>> > > draining. I have also worked with many other healers who also

>> > charge

>> > > what they are worth. Accupuncturists, body workers, energy

>> > healers, 9

>> > > ki specialists, macro cooks etc etc. This is the work they

>have

>> > > chosed to do on this earth and I feel very fortunate to know

>and

>> > work

>> > > with them. Other people have chosen to be doctors, lawyers,

>> > > mechanics, landscapers, designers and so on. They are also

>paid

>> > their

>> > > worth. Entertainers make huge sums of money as do sports

>> > > personalitys. I think it is important to respect what other

>folks

>> > do

>> > > and to realise that we all make choices. People are willing to

>> pay

>> > > large sums of money to go to therapists or to go to concerts

>and

>> > why

>> > > not if it makes them happy or if it makes their lives more

>> > peaceful,

>> > > exciting or healthy.

>> > > >

>> > > > In our society we have decided to use money as a means for

>> > trading

>> > > whether it is services or products. Everyone needs money to

>> > survive

>> > > and there is an endless abundance. Just because one person has

>> > money

>> > > it doesn't mean that someone else goes without. That is like

>> > saying

>> > > if one person is healthy then another has to be sick. Whatever

>we

>> > > give attention to begins to show up in our lives if that is

>what

>> > we

>> > > choose to vibrate to.

>> > > >

>> > > > I am sure some people won't agree with me and that is okay

>too.

>> > I

>> > > for one am very grateful for my macro teachers and counselors

>and

>> > my

>> > > other friends who work in the alternative field. I feel I

>would

>> be

>> > a

>> > > very different person today if I hadn't met them.

>> > > >

>> > > > Many blessings and have a beautiful Sunday

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > Brown Waxman

>> > > > www.celebrate4health.com

>> > > > www.bebabywise.com

>> > > > info@

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

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