Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Hello All, I have been working with a 46 YO woman for 12 sessions and am not getting very far. The biggest thing that sticks out on her brain map is Alpha Blocking. Alpha at all locations is below 9.5 regardless whether her eyes are open or closed. Her Theta/Beta power ratio is 9.00. Thetas are larger then alpha everywhere. She has high amplitude beta and high betas at each temporal. She seems depressed (although she won’t admit it), has little motivation, poor focus, was in a number of car accidents with head injury, and is an alcoholic. I have run 12 sessions mostly with eyes closed lowering the beta in the temporals, trying to raise alpha, and some time at the frontals trying to lower theta. I am considering starting with C3 15-18 and C4 12-15 with the usual inhibits. Any Ideas Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Dear , Thank you for the speedy reply. I used the Brainstate Assessment along with a battery of EC protocols including a T3+T4 8-12reward, 4-8, 15-38 inhibit EC for 12 min I have changed that to the standard C3 15-18. C4 12-15 but perhaps you are saying I should reward 8-12 and train down 4-8. Jeff From: braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of Van Deusen Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:09 AM To: braintrainer Subject: Re: Alpha Blocking Jeff, What kind of " brain map " are you working from? I would guess, based on the ridiculously high T/B ratios, the fact that alpha/theta ratios remain the same with eyes closed and eyes open and the fact that alpha is lower than theta that she has very slow alpha, perhaps 6-10 Hz instead of 8-12. That would certainly explain many of the symptoms. It also seems likely that she has little ability to produce alpha with eyes closed, since that is a common finding with alcoholics. The head injuries would also be a concern. I wouldn't necessarily try to increase alpha in the temporals. It there is excessive fast activity temporally, train that down, but if you want to increase alpha, do that in the parietals or occipitals. Depression could also be related to alpha reversals, especially in the higher alpha bands. I am a fan of doing a good assessment and identifying 3-5 protocols that seem to make sense given the brain activation patterns and the desired changes, then testing those in the first five sessions before deciding what to train. Just starting off and doing 12 sessions of something, no matter how right you might think it would be, can be a major waste of time if that's not what moves the brain. Pete On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:05 PM, P Reich <jreichnanaol> wrote: I have been working with a 46 YO woman for 12 sessions and am not getting very far. The biggest thing that sticks out on her brain map is Alpha Blocking. Alpha at all locations is below 9.5 regardless whether her eyes are open or closed. Her Theta/Beta power ratio is 9.00. Thetas are larger then alpha everywhere. She has high amplitude beta and high betas at each temporal. She seems depressed (although she won't admit it), has little motivation, poor focus, was in a number of car accidents with head injury, and is an alcoholic. I have run 12 sessions mostly with eyes closed lowering the beta in the temporals, trying to raise alpha, and some time at the frontals trying to lower theta. I am considering starting with C3 15-18 and C4 12-15 with the usual inhibits. -- Van Deusen pvdtlcgmail http://www.brain-trainer.com 305/433-3160 The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Dear , Thank you for the speedy reply. I used the Brainstate Assessment along with a battery of EC protocols including a T3+T4 8-12reward, 4-8, 15-38 inhibit EC for 12 min I have changed that to the standard C3 15-18. C4 12-15 but perhaps you are saying I should reward 8-12 and train down 4-8. Jeff From: braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of Van Deusen Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:09 AM To: braintrainer Subject: Re: Alpha Blocking Jeff, What kind of " brain map " are you working from? I would guess, based on the ridiculously high T/B ratios, the fact that alpha/theta ratios remain the same with eyes closed and eyes open and the fact that alpha is lower than theta that she has very slow alpha, perhaps 6-10 Hz instead of 8-12. That would certainly explain many of the symptoms. It also seems likely that she has little ability to produce alpha with eyes closed, since that is a common finding with alcoholics. The head injuries would also be a concern. I wouldn't necessarily try to increase alpha in the temporals. It there is excessive fast activity temporally, train that down, but if you want to increase alpha, do that in the parietals or occipitals. Depression could also be related to alpha reversals, especially in the higher alpha bands. I am a fan of doing a good assessment and identifying 3-5 protocols that seem to make sense given the brain activation patterns and the desired changes, then testing those in the first five sessions before deciding what to train. Just starting off and doing 12 sessions of something, no matter how right you might think it would be, can be a major waste of time if that's not what moves the brain. Pete On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:05 PM, P Reich <jreichnanaol> wrote: I have been working with a 46 YO woman for 12 sessions and am not getting very far. The biggest thing that sticks out on her brain map is Alpha Blocking. Alpha at all locations is below 9.5 regardless whether her eyes are open or closed. Her Theta/Beta power ratio is 9.00. Thetas are larger then alpha everywhere. She has high amplitude beta and high betas at each temporal. She seems depressed (although she won't admit it), has little motivation, poor focus, was in a number of car accidents with head injury, and is an alcoholic. I have run 12 sessions mostly with eyes closed lowering the beta in the temporals, trying to raise alpha, and some time at the frontals trying to lower theta. I am considering starting with C3 15-18 and C4 12-15 with the usual inhibits. -- Van Deusen pvdtlcgmail http://www.brain-trainer.com 305/433-3160 The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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