Guest guest Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 It's all personl but I have studied nutrition for more than 20 years. I would like to see the lives of others improved by way of healthy eating habits or by any other means possible to make their lives more enjoyable. My mother was a professional nutritionist and my sister still is one. It would be a pleasure to discuss this with you. I will go on yahoo messenger with the screen name " jllilli " (without the quotation marks) if this is suitable to you. It's 8:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time here. I'll be waiting for you for a couple of hours. I like to keep as many tasks as possible inactive on my computer so that my RAM will be used for immediate activities. If I don't see you after a few hours, I'll want to shut down the Yahoo Messenger. But, Yes, I would like to communicate more with you on this research. Dwight > > > > > Dwight, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info. Actually I had been drinking more soft > > drinks > > > > over > > > > > those few days that usual, so that could have been a part of > > it, as > > > > well as > > > > > having to eat higher fat food. > > > > > > > > > > My vision is still fine, though the muscle on top of the right > > eye > > > > has been > > > > > a little wore and I'm having occasional spasm in the eye lid. > > I've > > > > had this > > > > > before a few times, but I can't recall what might have brought > > it > > > > on. However, > > > > > since I have had this before and it has cleared up in a few > > days, > > > > I'm not > > > > > overly concerned about it. If it lasts more than a week I'll > > go > > > > back and have it > > > > > looked at, but I don't expect that it will last that long. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 > Dear Stan's Computer, > ...Please don't prescribe Pepsi, Coke > or any other substance that > contains caffeine as a nonsurgical > treatment for the well-being of > anyone (or anthing) that suffers > from Migraine headaches! (I *hope* non-surgical. For D-I-Y surgical, see http://www.noah.org/trepan/people_with_holes_in_their_heads.html (or look up " Feilding " ) Unfortunately the photo essay of her surgery is temporarily off the web. detailed instructions at: http://www.crank.com/html/crank2/crank2_trepan2.html and http://www.crank.com/html/crank2/crank2_trepan4.html But as to the *non-surgical* techniques... > Severe caffeine withdrawal and > migraine without aura are considered > two distinct conditions, yet the two > are indistinguishable from one another. Yes, but I was talking specifically about migraine with aura. That is very different because the purpose of the Coke is to reduce dilation. As to using caffeine, it does work. So theoretically it can cause headaches indistinguishable from migraine without aura, but in reality it can be used as an antimigraine treatment. I'd say the fructose (at least in US Coke) is a lot less severe than an Rx antimigraine drug. Moreover large numbers of people accept caffeine as safe in the form of coffee and tea. > WHY WOULD ANYONE ALLOW caffeine to hinder > the passage, progress and > accomplishment of the building > blocks of their DNA?!?! Because one does not believe this to be true? I don't think we're going to see an epidemic of teratogentic effects from Coke. That Starbucks logo is a mythological figure; not a typical child of one of their customers. I suppose if someone has an adverse caffeine reaction (not a " severe caffeine allergy " ), one would stay away from caffeine. Same with adverse reactions to other foods. But because *some* people will die if they eat peanuts doesn't mean the handful I have tonight will be unhealthy. In my own case, I need caffeine to function in certain work environments. As far as drugs go, it's fairly benign. I'm not about to take some sort of Rx amphetamine as a substitute. - s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Stan, One ought to keep in mind that caffience may NOT be good for curing headaches in certain people. I get headaches and chest pain from high blood pressure. Since caffiene constricts the veins, what I need is aspirin to thin the blood so the oxygen flows where it needs to. Tom In my own case, I need caffeine to function in certain work environments. As far as drugs go, it's fairly benign. I'm not about to take some sort of Rx amphetamine as a substitute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 My doctor suggested taking the migraine meds with a coke or pepsi because she said the caffeine would speed up my body processing the med. I have had migraine symptoms since childhood but back then many doctors were under the impression that only people 40 and older could get migraines. I can tell by what color combinations the visual disturbances are how bad the headache is going to be. Kathy J. ----- Original Message ----- > Yes, but I was talking specifically about migraine with aura. > That is very different because the purpose of the Coke > is to reduce dilation. > > As to using caffeine, it does work. So theoretically it > can cause headaches indistinguishable from migraine without > aura, but in reality it can be used as an antimigraine > treatment. > > I'd say the fructose (at least in US Coke) is a lot less > severe than an Rx antimigraine drug. Moreover large numbers > of people accept caffeine as safe in the form of coffee and > tea. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Since this topic has changed so much, I have opened a new one for dealing with migraines. How about continuing the migraine discussions there? You should have that email in your box before long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Dear Stan's Computer, Dwight says; This group of medical doctors disagrees with your opinions about caffeine; Nadia Akhtar, M.D., Ph.D. Pediatric Neurology Associates Tucson, AZ Pediatric Neurology Chazin, M.D. Olney, MD Stephan Eisenschenk, M.D. University of Florida Brain Institute Department of Neurology Gainesville, FL Judy Fine-Edelstein, M.D. Chief Editor, neurologychannel Stroke Boston, MA Gorson, M.D. Neuromuscular Service St. 's Medical Center Associate Professor of Neurology Tufts University School of Medicine H. s, M.D. Behavioral Neurologist Orlando, FL Mernoff, M.D. Professor of Neurology Boston Medical Center Boston, MA H. Risser, Ph.D. Neuropsychology Philadelphia, PA Egalius Spierings, M.D. Headache Headache Center Wellesley, MA Marie St. Hilaire, M.D. Parkison's Disease and Movement Disorders Associate Professor of Neurology Boston Medical Center and Boston University School of Medicine W. Wheless, M.D. Associate Professor of Neurology and Pediatrics Director, Epilepsy Monitoring Unit University of Texas- Houston Houston, TX and they all have scientific medical proof (not opinions) that the commonly identified migraine triggers INCLUDE FOODS THAT CONTAIN CAFFEINE. --See the " Triggers " heading about half way down the page in the middle of this web page; http://www.neurologychannel.com/migraine/#aura .....and Stan says, As to using caffeine, it does work. So theoretically it can cause headaches..... .....and Dwight says, Not theoretically here, Stan. It is proven to be true that caffeine (even in small amounts) causes headaches. ........and Stan says; Yes, but I was talking specifically about migraine with aura.That is very different..... ........and Dwight says; My list of doctors agree that BOTH types of migraines are triggered by FOODS THAT CONTAIN CAFFEINE. So your statement about one being " very different " has nothing to do with what triggers these terrible headaches. ........and Stan says; Moreover large numbers of people accept caffeine as safe in the form of coffee and tea. ........Dwight says; ........Stan, Large numbers of people believe all kinds of lies. Just 50 years ago, almost everyone believed that cigarette smoking would not lead to lung cancer, probably because the tobaco producers, with their huge amounts of cash, bought advertisements that were designed to deceive and mislead the minds of anyone that would listen to them say that it's OK to breath the poison smoke of tobacco into your lungs (with the knowledge of the fact that their customers will become immediately addicted to it if they follow the advice of these " low life " tobaco producers) Lets not follow the crowd this time on the subject of caffeine, just because Pepsi and Coke, with their extremely large amounts of cash, buy advertisements that say it's OK to drink this poison liquid into your stomach (with the knowledge of the fact that their customers will become immediately addicted to it if they follow the advice of these " low life " manufacturers) ........and Stan says; He doesn't believe that Caffeine blocks the adenosine receptors in our body and that Adenosine is one of the four building blocks of our DNA and it is the " A " in our genetic code. .......and Dwight says; Researchers at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center and many other researchers believe I am telling the truth. See this page; http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science & article=UPI-1- 20050420-22520500-bc-us-sleep.xml Researchers at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center said the brain releases a compound called adenosine, which is released after prolonged activity in the brain's arousal centers. The adenosine then spreads outward, causing neural activity to slow down everywhere in the brain -- but caffeine blocks this process. ........Stan says; I need caffeine to function in certain environments and I'm not about to take some sort of Rx amphetamine as a substitute. ........Dwight says; I agree with you about amphetamines. My intentions here are wholesome, and my purpose for writing this letter is to inform the (apparently) uninformed majority of people about how awful caffeine is. (...since Pepsi and Coke refuse to, and you can believe that they lobby, with large amounts of money, in the Congress and the Senate, to keep this information AWAY from the public) If you use it, be assured that the bad times that you will experience with this bitter alkaloid will FAR outweigh the good......and (The reason that Pepsi and Coke and others put so very much sugar into their products is to mask this bitter sensation from caffeine). -D > > > Dear Stan's Computer, > > ...Please don't prescribe Pepsi, Coke > > or any other substance that > > contains caffeine as a nonsurgical > > treatment for the well-being of > > anyone (or anthing) that suffers > > from Migraine headaches! > > (I *hope* non-surgical. For D-I-Y surgical, see > http://www.noah.org/trepan/people_with_holes_in_their_heads.html > > (or look up " Feilding " ) Unfortunately the photo > essay of her surgery is temporarily off the web. > detailed instructions at: > http://www.crank.com/html/crank2/crank2_trepan2.html and > http://www.crank.com/html/crank2/crank2_trepan4.html > > But as to the *non-surgical* techniques... > > > Severe caffeine withdrawal and > > migraine without aura are considered > > two distinct conditions, yet the two > > are indistinguishable from one another. > > Yes, but I was talking specifically about migraine with aura. > That is very different because the purpose of the Coke > is to reduce dilation. > > As to using caffeine, it does work. So theoretically it > can cause headaches indistinguishable from migraine without > aura, but in reality it can be used as an antimigraine > treatment. > > I'd say the fructose (at least in US Coke) is a lot less > severe than an Rx antimigraine drug. Moreover large numbers > of people accept caffeine as safe in the form of coffee and > tea. > > > WHY WOULD ANYONE ALLOW caffeine to hinder > > the passage, progress and > > accomplishment of the building > > blocks of their DNA?!?! > > Because one does not believe this to be true? > I don't think we're going to see an epidemic of > teratogentic effects from Coke. That Starbucks > logo is a mythological figure; not a typical > child of one of their customers. > > I suppose if someone has an adverse caffeine reaction > (not a " severe caffeine allergy " ), one would stay away > from caffeine. Same with adverse reactions to other > foods. But because *some* people will die if they eat > peanuts doesn't mean the handful I have tonight will > be unhealthy. > > In my own case, I need caffeine to function in certain > work environments. As far as drugs go, it's fairly > benign. I'm not about to take some sort of Rx amphetamine > as a substitute. > > - s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 > Stan, > One ought to keep in mind that caffience may NOT be good for > curing headaches in certain people. Yes. The use of caffeine during aura presentation is a very specific case. If one does not " get along with " caffeine, that may not be a convenient approach. i.e., for those people, the Rx'd drug may be preferable. Incidentally, the effect of caffeine that is used is probably also one of " caffeine constricts the veins " . So in this case the bad effect is probably what prevents the migraine from transistioning to a migraine headache. It may be that a Rx'd drug may be preferable if one has bad reactions to caffeine. If one " gets along with " caffeine, then it is convenient if caffeine can be used in this manner. This issue is much more pronounced for people who get migraine headaches without a perceptable aura. They must either address the headache or go on a maintenance regimen of a different type of antimigrane drug. - s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 > and they all have scientific medical > proof (not opinions) that > the commonly identified migraine triggers > INCLUDE FOODS THAT CONTAIN CAFFEINE. > My list of doctors agree that BOTH types > of migraines are triggered by > FOODS THAT CONTAIN CAFFEINE. So your > statement about one being " very different " > has nothing to do with what triggers these > terrible headaches. Then it really doesn't matter. My comment about using caffeine to block transition of an aura stage migraine to become a migraine headache is obviously disregarded as meaningless. If one is able to block that transition, one can follow a personal moral belief about caffeine being " bad " , or one can do what works to avoid the headache. I do not believe that caffeine causes migraine headaches, at least in my case. I'm sure there are people whom that affects. These people probably are well aware that caffeine affects them, just as people know how caffeine affects their sleep. The article mentions caffeine as one trigger for migraines. It does not describe migraine as being caused by this. People for whom caffeine is a trigger for migraine probably know this, much as I know to avoid glare. MSG is mentioned as another trigger, as is alcohol and other items. I don't like how MSG makes me feel, but in my case MSG does not trigger a migraine-like headache. Alcohol definitely does not have that effect on me. The migraine effects you describe are fairly short term, meaning that the tobacco issue (long term effects) is irrelevant. People, given information, are quite competent to make their own observations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I'm a happy caffeine addict and happy to remain that way. People do differ in their reactions to various substances. Clearly relying on caffeine to keep pushing oneself beyond one's limits is a poor idea, but I sure do enjoy that morning cup of chai and the later one of coffee. Ken > > > Dear Stan's Computer, > > ...Please don't prescribe Pepsi, Coke > > or any other substance that > > contains caffeine as a nonsurgical > > treatment for the well-being of > > anyone (or anthing) that suffers > > from Migraine headaches! > > (I *hope* non-surgical. For D-I-Y surgical, see > http://www.noah.org/trepan/people_with_holes_in_their_heads.html > > (or look up " Feilding " ) Unfortunately the photo > essay of her surgery is temporarily off the web. > detailed instructions at: > http://www.crank.com/html/crank2/crank2_trepan2.html and > http://www.crank.com/html/crank2/crank2_trepan4.html > > But as to the *non-surgical* techniques... > > > Severe caffeine withdrawal and > > migraine without aura are considered > > two distinct conditions, yet the two > > are indistinguishable from one another. > > Yes, but I was talking specifically about migraine with aura. > That is very different because the purpose of the Coke > is to reduce dilation. > > As to using caffeine, it does work. So theoretically it > can cause headaches indistinguishable from migraine without > aura, but in reality it can be used as an antimigraine > treatment. > > I'd say the fructose (at least in US Coke) is a lot less > severe than an Rx antimigraine drug. Moreover large numbers > of people accept caffeine as safe in the form of coffee and > tea. > > > WHY WOULD ANYONE ALLOW caffeine to hinder > > the passage, progress and > > accomplishment of the building > > blocks of their DNA?!?! > > Because one does not believe this to be true? > I don't think we're going to see an epidemic of > teratogentic effects from Coke. That Starbucks > logo is a mythological figure; not a typical > child of one of their customers. > > I suppose if someone has an adverse caffeine reaction > (not a " severe caffeine allergy " ), one would stay away > from caffeine. Same with adverse reactions to other > foods. But because *some* people will die if they eat > peanuts doesn't mean the handful I have tonight will > be unhealthy. > > In my own case, I need caffeine to function in certain > work environments. As far as drugs go, it's fairly > benign. I'm not about to take some sort of Rx amphetamine > as a substitute. > > - s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I've tried to quit coffee even though I like it, just because I don't like the idea of having an addiction to anything. Without coffee my thinking is dulled, I get a terrible headache, and just nothing really works as well. Even weeks later, the dulled cognition persists. It would be nice not to *Have* to have a cup of coffee, but doesn't feel worth all the effort. Re: Eye update. > I'm a happy caffeine addict and happy to remain that way. People do > differ in their reactions to various substances. Clearly relying on > caffeine to keep pushing oneself beyond one's limits is a poor idea, > but I sure do enjoy that morning cup of chai and the later one of coffee. > > Ken > > >> >> > Dear Stan's Computer, >> > ...Please don't prescribe Pepsi, Coke >> > or any other substance that >> > contains caffeine as a nonsurgical >> > treatment for the well-being of >> > anyone (or anthing) that suffers >> > from Migraine headaches! >> >> (I *hope* non-surgical. For D-I-Y surgical, see >> http://www.noah.org/trepan/people_with_holes_in_their_heads.html >> >> (or look up " Feilding " ) Unfortunately the photo >> essay of her surgery is temporarily off the web. >> detailed instructions at: >> http://www.crank.com/html/crank2/crank2_trepan2.html and >> http://www.crank.com/html/crank2/crank2_trepan4.html >> >> But as to the *non-surgical* techniques... >> >> > Severe caffeine withdrawal and >> > migraine without aura are considered >> > two distinct conditions, yet the two >> > are indistinguishable from one another. >> >> Yes, but I was talking specifically about migraine with aura. >> That is very different because the purpose of the Coke >> is to reduce dilation. >> >> As to using caffeine, it does work. So theoretically it >> can cause headaches indistinguishable from migraine without >> aura, but in reality it can be used as an antimigraine >> treatment. >> >> I'd say the fructose (at least in US Coke) is a lot less >> severe than an Rx antimigraine drug. Moreover large numbers >> of people accept caffeine as safe in the form of coffee and >> tea. >> >> > WHY WOULD ANYONE ALLOW caffeine to hinder >> > the passage, progress and >> > accomplishment of the building >> > blocks of their DNA?!?! >> >> Because one does not believe this to be true? >> I don't think we're going to see an epidemic of >> teratogentic effects from Coke. That Starbucks >> logo is a mythological figure; not a typical >> child of one of their customers. >> >> I suppose if someone has an adverse caffeine reaction >> (not a " severe caffeine allergy " ), one would stay away >> from caffeine. Same with adverse reactions to other >> foods. But because *some* people will die if they eat >> peanuts doesn't mean the handful I have tonight will >> be unhealthy. >> >> In my own case, I need caffeine to function in certain >> work environments. As far as drugs go, it's fairly >> benign. I'm not about to take some sort of Rx amphetamine >> as a substitute. >> >> - s > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support > and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the > folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I've tried to quit coffee even though I like it, just because I don't like the idea of having an addiction to anything. Without coffee my thinking is dulled, I get a terrible headache, and just nothing really works as well. Even weeks later, the dulled cognition persists. It would be nice not to *Have* to have a cup of coffee, but doesn't feel worth all the effort. Re: Eye update. > I'm a happy caffeine addict and happy to remain that way. People do > differ in their reactions to various substances. Clearly relying on > caffeine to keep pushing oneself beyond one's limits is a poor idea, > but I sure do enjoy that morning cup of chai and the later one of coffee. > > Ken > > >> >> > Dear Stan's Computer, >> > ...Please don't prescribe Pepsi, Coke >> > or any other substance that >> > contains caffeine as a nonsurgical >> > treatment for the well-being of >> > anyone (or anthing) that suffers >> > from Migraine headaches! >> >> (I *hope* non-surgical. For D-I-Y surgical, see >> http://www.noah.org/trepan/people_with_holes_in_their_heads.html >> >> (or look up " Feilding " ) Unfortunately the photo >> essay of her surgery is temporarily off the web. >> detailed instructions at: >> http://www.crank.com/html/crank2/crank2_trepan2.html and >> http://www.crank.com/html/crank2/crank2_trepan4.html >> >> But as to the *non-surgical* techniques... >> >> > Severe caffeine withdrawal and >> > migraine without aura are considered >> > two distinct conditions, yet the two >> > are indistinguishable from one another. >> >> Yes, but I was talking specifically about migraine with aura. >> That is very different because the purpose of the Coke >> is to reduce dilation. >> >> As to using caffeine, it does work. So theoretically it >> can cause headaches indistinguishable from migraine without >> aura, but in reality it can be used as an antimigraine >> treatment. >> >> I'd say the fructose (at least in US Coke) is a lot less >> severe than an Rx antimigraine drug. Moreover large numbers >> of people accept caffeine as safe in the form of coffee and >> tea. >> >> > WHY WOULD ANYONE ALLOW caffeine to hinder >> > the passage, progress and >> > accomplishment of the building >> > blocks of their DNA?!?! >> >> Because one does not believe this to be true? >> I don't think we're going to see an epidemic of >> teratogentic effects from Coke. That Starbucks >> logo is a mythological figure; not a typical >> child of one of their customers. >> >> I suppose if someone has an adverse caffeine reaction >> (not a " severe caffeine allergy " ), one would stay away >> from caffeine. Same with adverse reactions to other >> foods. But because *some* people will die if they eat >> peanuts doesn't mean the handful I have tonight will >> be unhealthy. >> >> In my own case, I need caffeine to function in certain >> work environments. As far as drugs go, it's fairly >> benign. I'm not about to take some sort of Rx amphetamine >> as a substitute. >> >> - s > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support > and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the > folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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