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I agree – the size of your patient panel is determined

after you have become ‘full’. I have been adjusting my panel

size downward since I opened 3 years ago – I Initially ‘calculated’

(based on typical 2-3 visits/pt/yr model, and anticipating 30 minute appts)

that I should have ~700 pts. But in my practice, more often the appts are

45-60 minutes long, and, as I engage in the IMP stuff (time consuming) to

further improve my practice/pt care, I have gradually pared down to 400 pts.

I followed Gordon’s advice, and was glad I did. To

help you determine when you should close, I recommend monitoring your schedule,

and when you are nearly full, start closing the gate. This depends on your

rate of growth. If you are growing like mad, then start closing when your

schedule is 70-80% full for a couple of weeks. If your growth rate is

slower, then start closing when you are 90% full. You can always let

people in, but it’s hard to shed them quickly if you are in meltdown

mode. Even after you close, you will have people trickle in (‘Could

you see my husband, too, pleeeez? You’re the only doctor he trusts…’,

etc).

A. Eads, M.D.

Pinnacle Family Medicine, PLLC

phone fax

P.O.

Box 7275

Woodland

Park, CO 80863

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Gordon, how many people do you have in your panel? Also, another thing I seem to have trouble managing is that promise of seeing you today. I really do see people today if they want me to, but I think I would prefer to have a day off during the week or if I'm on vacation. I can't tell you how many times I offer 4or 5 appt times and still can't get someone in at a time they like.

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Why is the thought of closing so scary? I

know I need to . I have over 1200 pt, avg 6-10 new pt requests daily. I

see Avg 16-20 pts a day, and I’m maxed out. But does one close

temporarily?, for a few months? I guess the fear (probably irrational) is

suddenly the pt count drops. It seems premature to close a panel, when I’ve

only been opened at my permanent site for 8 months….

T. Ellsworth, MD

9377 E. Bell Road, Suite 175

sdale, Az 85260

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Eads

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006

8:22 AM

To:

Subject:

When to close to new pts?

I agree

– the size of your patient panel is determined after you have become

‘full’. I have been adjusting my panel size downward since I

opened 3 years ago – I Initially ‘calculated’ (based on

typical 2-3 visits/pt/yr model, and anticipating 30 minute appts) that I should

have ~700 pts. But in my practice, more often the appts are 45-60 minutes

long, and, as I engage in the IMP stuff (time consuming) to further improve my

practice/pt care, I have gradually pared down to 400 pts.

I followed

Gordon’s advice, and was glad I did. To help you determine when you

should close, I recommend monitoring your schedule, and when you are nearly

full, start closing the gate. This depends on your rate of growth.

If you are growing like mad, then start closing when your schedule is 70-80%

full for a couple of weeks. If your growth rate is slower, then start

closing when you are 90% full. You can always let people in, but

it’s hard to shed them quickly if you are in meltdown mode. Even after

you close, you will have people trickle in (‘Could you see my husband,

too, pleeeez? You’re the only doctor he trusts…’,

etc).

A. Eads, M.D.

Pinnacle Family Medicine, PLLC

phone fax

P.O. Box 7275

Woodland Park, CO

80863

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Why is the thought of closing so scary? I

know I need to . I have over 1200 pt, avg 6-10 new pt requests daily. I

see Avg 16-20 pts a day, and I’m maxed out. But does one close

temporarily?, for a few months? I guess the fear (probably irrational) is

suddenly the pt count drops. It seems premature to close a panel, when I’ve

only been opened at my permanent site for 8 months….

T. Ellsworth, MD

9377 E. Bell Road, Suite 175

sdale, Az 85260

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Eads

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006

8:22 AM

To:

Subject:

When to close to new pts?

I agree

– the size of your patient panel is determined after you have become

‘full’. I have been adjusting my panel size downward since I

opened 3 years ago – I Initially ‘calculated’ (based on

typical 2-3 visits/pt/yr model, and anticipating 30 minute appts) that I should

have ~700 pts. But in my practice, more often the appts are 45-60 minutes

long, and, as I engage in the IMP stuff (time consuming) to further improve my

practice/pt care, I have gradually pared down to 400 pts.

I followed

Gordon’s advice, and was glad I did. To help you determine when you

should close, I recommend monitoring your schedule, and when you are nearly

full, start closing the gate. This depends on your rate of growth.

If you are growing like mad, then start closing when your schedule is 70-80%

full for a couple of weeks. If your growth rate is slower, then start

closing when you are 90% full. You can always let people in, but

it’s hard to shed them quickly if you are in meltdown mode. Even after

you close, you will have people trickle in (‘Could you see my husband,

too, pleeeez? You’re the only doctor he trusts…’,

etc).

A. Eads, M.D.

Pinnacle Family Medicine, PLLC

phone fax

P.O. Box 7275

Woodland Park, CO

80863

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I've been closed for more than three years and we get calls for new

patients every day.

As noted by Eads: it is a lot easier to let some slip around the

door than to figure out how to manage too many patients.

Gordon

At 03:56 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:

Why

is the thought of closing so scary? I know I need to . I have over 1200

pt, avg 6-10 new pt requests daily. I see Avg 16-20 pts a

day, and I’m maxed out. But does one close temporarily?, for a few

months? I guess the fear (probably irrational) is suddenly the pt count

drops. It seems premature to close a panel, when I’ve only been opened at

my permanent site for 8 months….

T. Ellsworth, MD

9377 E. Bell Road, Suite 175

sdale, Az 85260

From:

[

mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Eads

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:22 AM

To:

Subject: When to close to new pts?

I agree – the size of your patient panel is determined after

you have become ‘full’. I have been adjusting my panel size

downward since I opened 3 years ago – I Initially ‘calculated’ (based on

typical 2-3 visits/pt/yr model, and anticipating 30 minute appts) that I

should have ~700 pts. But in my practice, more often the appts are

45-60 minutes long, and, as I engage in the IMP stuff (time consuming) to

further improve my practice/pt care, I have gradually pared down to 400

pts.

I followed Gordon’s advice, and was glad I did. To

help you determine when you should close, I recommend monitoring your

schedule, and when you are nearly full, start closing the gate.

This depends on your rate of growth. If you are growing like mad,

then start closing when your schedule is 70-80% full for a couple of

weeks. If your growth rate is slower, then start closing when you

are 90% full. You can always let people in, but it’s hard to shed

them quickly if you are in meltdown mode. Even after you close, you

will have people trickle in (‘Could you see my husband, too,

pleeeez? You’re the only doctor he trusts…’, etc).

A. Eads,

M.D.

Pinnacle Family

Medicine, PLLC

phone

fax

P.O. Box

7275

Woodland Park,

CO 80863

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I've been closed for more than three years and we get calls for new

patients every day.

As noted by Eads: it is a lot easier to let some slip around the

door than to figure out how to manage too many patients.

Gordon

At 03:56 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:

Why

is the thought of closing so scary? I know I need to . I have over 1200

pt, avg 6-10 new pt requests daily. I see Avg 16-20 pts a

day, and I’m maxed out. But does one close temporarily?, for a few

months? I guess the fear (probably irrational) is suddenly the pt count

drops. It seems premature to close a panel, when I’ve only been opened at

my permanent site for 8 months….

T. Ellsworth, MD

9377 E. Bell Road, Suite 175

sdale, Az 85260

From:

[

mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Eads

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:22 AM

To:

Subject: When to close to new pts?

I agree – the size of your patient panel is determined after

you have become ‘full’. I have been adjusting my panel size

downward since I opened 3 years ago – I Initially ‘calculated’ (based on

typical 2-3 visits/pt/yr model, and anticipating 30 minute appts) that I

should have ~700 pts. But in my practice, more often the appts are

45-60 minutes long, and, as I engage in the IMP stuff (time consuming) to

further improve my practice/pt care, I have gradually pared down to 400

pts.

I followed Gordon’s advice, and was glad I did. To

help you determine when you should close, I recommend monitoring your

schedule, and when you are nearly full, start closing the gate.

This depends on your rate of growth. If you are growing like mad,

then start closing when your schedule is 70-80% full for a couple of

weeks. If your growth rate is slower, then start closing when you

are 90% full. You can always let people in, but it’s hard to shed

them quickly if you are in meltdown mode. Even after you close, you

will have people trickle in (‘Could you see my husband, too,

pleeeez? You’re the only doctor he trusts…’, etc).

A. Eads,

M.D.

Pinnacle Family

Medicine, PLLC

phone

fax

P.O. Box

7275

Woodland Park,

CO 80863

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A lot of us find the thought of “closing”

our practices scary. That’s because most docs have the mindset of “got

to grow, got to grow, grow bigger, keep growing” as a sign of success.

I have “officially” closed my

practice about 6 months ago. If anyone calls, they are told that the

practice is closed to new patients, but my receptionist will take down the

info. I am not closed on any insurance panels yet mostly because of their

restrictions and a little out of my laziness. Horizon Blue Cross Blue

Shield says I can’t close until my panel has 250 patients or more. Horizon NJ Health (NJ Medicaid HMO)

won’t let me “close” until I have 50 patients on my

panel. We are waiting, hovering 47-51 so missed the close

opportunity. What I plan to do is being listed as " closed to new

patients " . Existing patients can stay in the practice if they switch

insurance and then I can always “let people in” one at a time if I

want.

I think it actually makes the practice

more desirable for patients to have to be “accepted” or wait to get

in. I am accepting certain age range. I have a lot of older, sicker

patients and few young and healthy. So the young and healthy are being

accepted one at a time. What patients are being told is that we are

closed “for now” but they can always check back in 6

months. If I start to see too many openings in the schedule when I

look ahead then I will reopen.

I don’t know how many official “active”

patients I have but there are > 1800 in the system, and based on my PPRNet

Practice Report there are almost 790 active patients (seen in the last 12

months). It’s probably more as young, healthy patients may go a

year without being seen.

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

Solo low-staff practice since

4/03

In practice since 9/90

Practice Partner User since 5/03

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A lot of us find the thought of “closing”

our practices scary. That’s because most docs have the mindset of “got

to grow, got to grow, grow bigger, keep growing” as a sign of success.

I have “officially” closed my

practice about 6 months ago. If anyone calls, they are told that the

practice is closed to new patients, but my receptionist will take down the

info. I am not closed on any insurance panels yet mostly because of their

restrictions and a little out of my laziness. Horizon Blue Cross Blue

Shield says I can’t close until my panel has 250 patients or more. Horizon NJ Health (NJ Medicaid HMO)

won’t let me “close” until I have 50 patients on my

panel. We are waiting, hovering 47-51 so missed the close

opportunity. What I plan to do is being listed as " closed to new

patients " . Existing patients can stay in the practice if they switch

insurance and then I can always “let people in” one at a time if I

want.

I think it actually makes the practice

more desirable for patients to have to be “accepted” or wait to get

in. I am accepting certain age range. I have a lot of older, sicker

patients and few young and healthy. So the young and healthy are being

accepted one at a time. What patients are being told is that we are

closed “for now” but they can always check back in 6

months. If I start to see too many openings in the schedule when I

look ahead then I will reopen.

I don’t know how many official “active”

patients I have but there are > 1800 in the system, and based on my PPRNet

Practice Report there are almost 790 active patients (seen in the last 12

months). It’s probably more as young, healthy patients may go a

year without being seen.

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

Solo low-staff practice since

4/03

In practice since 9/90

Practice Partner User since 5/03

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Do you take down ages and etc when you put

them on a list? Can one be selective as far as age range and insurance?

T. Ellsworth, MD

9377 E. Bell Road, Suite 175

sdale, Az 85260

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kathy Saradarian

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006

2:41 PM

To:

Subject: RE:

When to close to new pts?

A lot of us find the thought of “closing” our practices

scary. That’s because most docs have the mindset of “got to

grow, got to grow, grow bigger, keep growing” as a sign of success.

I have “officially” closed my practice about 6 months

ago. If anyone calls, they are told that the practice is closed to new

patients, but my receptionist will take down the info. I am not closed on

any insurance panels yet mostly because of their restrictions and a little out

of my laziness. Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield says I can’t close

until my panel has 250 patients or more. Horizon NJ

Health (NJ Medicaid HMO) won’t let me “close” until I have 50

patients on my panel. We are waiting, hovering 47-51 so missed the close

opportunity. What I plan to do is being listed as " closed to new

patients " . Existing patients can stay in the practice if they switch

insurance and then I can always “let people in” one at a time if I

want.

I think it actually makes the practice more desirable for patients

to have to be “accepted” or wait to get in. I am accepting

certain age range. I have a lot of older, sicker patients and few young

and healthy. So the young and healthy are being accepted one at a

time. What patients are being told is that we are closed “for

now” but they can always check back in 6 months. If I start

to see too many openings in the schedule when I look ahead then I will

reopen.

I don’t know how many official “active” patients

I have but there are > 1800 in the system, and based on my PPRNet Practice

Report there are almost 790 active patients (seen in the last 12 months).

It’s probably more as young, healthy patients may go a year without being

seen.

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

Solo low-staff practice since

4/03

In practice since 9/90

Practice Partner User since 5/03

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I have "closed" several times - first to the insurance companies, so that they can't randomly assign patients to me. When I felt overwhelmed, I would also close to word of mouth patients, then reopen when things got slow. I usually have kept open to family members of people I'm seeing, but I've even stopped that, as I got about 5 % too busy in the last 6 months. Why is the thought of closing so scary? I know I need to . I have over 1200 pt, avg 6-10 new pt  requests daily. I see  Avg 16-20 pts a day, and I’m maxed out. But does one close temporarily?, for a few months? I guess the fear (probably irrational) is suddenly the pt count drops. It seems premature to close a panel, when I’ve only been opened at my permanent site for 8 months….  T. Ellsworth, MD9377 E. Bell Road, Suite 175sdale, Az  85260From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of EadsSent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:22 AMTo: Subject: When to close to new pts? I agree – the size of your patient panel is determined after you have become ‘full’.  I have been adjusting my panel size downward since I opened 3 years ago – I Initially ‘calculated’ (based on typical 2-3 visits/pt/yr model, and anticipating 30 minute appts) that I should have ~700 pts.  But in my practice, more often the appts are 45-60 minutes long, and, as I engage in the IMP stuff (time consuming) to further improve my practice/pt care, I have gradually pared down to 400 pts.  I followed Gordon’s advice, and was glad I did.  To help you determine when you should close, I recommend monitoring your schedule, and when you are nearly full, start closing the gate.  This depends on your rate of growth.  If you are growing like mad, then start closing when your schedule is 70-80% full for a couple of weeks.  If your growth rate is slower, then start closing when you are 90% full.  You can always let people in, but it’s hard to shed them quickly if you are in meltdown mode.  Even after you close, you will have people trickle in (‘Could you see my husband, too, pleeeez?  You’re the only doctor he trusts…’, etc).   A. Eads, M.D.Pinnacle Family Medicine, PLLC phone faxP.O. Box 7275Woodland Park, CO 80863 

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I have all of a sudden jumped to 19-22 patients a day which is definitely more than I am comfortable with. My target is about 17 ( I have an MA). It seemed to have happened so suddenly. After 2 years of trying so hard to build a practice it is very hard to suddenly close. I have decided to stop accepting the bottom 3 insurance companies as a way to decrease my patient load. These comprise about 25-30% of my practice. I am unsure how many people will see me and pay cash. A lot of the insurance companies drive me crazy. One our our biggest payors is United which I am dropping. I think that every one has heard of the problems people have had with United. I think that a lot of people will pay cash for superior service but it is such an unknown. I am sending out almost 400 letters to patients this week letting them know that I am dropping their insurance as of January 1st and am extremely anxious with this move toward a more cash based practice. As an economic move it seemed to me to better to control the volume of patients by dropping insurances rather than just closing my practice but since I don't know how patients will continue with me even though they have to pay pay cash it makes planning very difficultLarry Lindeman MDWhy is the thought of closing so scary? I know I need to . I have over 1200 pt, avg 6-10 new pt  requests daily. I see  Avg 16-20 pts a day, and I’m maxed out. But does one close temporarily?, for a few months? I guess the fear (probably irrational) is suddenly the pt count drops. It seems premature to close a panel, when I’ve only been opened at my permanent site for 8 months….  T. Ellsworth, MD9377 E. Bell Road, Suite 175sdale, Az  85260From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of EadsSent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:22 AMTo: Subject: When to close to new pts? I agree – the size of your patient panel is determined after you have become ‘full’.  I have been adjusting my panel size downward since I opened 3 years ago – I Initially ‘calculated’ (based on typical 2-3 visits/pt/yr model, and anticipating 30 minute appts) that I should have ~700 pts.  But in my practice, more often the appts are 45-60 minutes long, and, as I engage in the IMP stuff (time consuming) to further improve my practice/pt care, I have gradually pared down to 400 pts.  I followed Gordon’s advice, and was glad I did.  To help you determine when you should close, I recommend monitoring your schedule, and when you are nearly full, start closing the gate.  This depends on your rate of growth.  If you are growing like mad, then start closing when your schedule is 70-80% full for a couple of weeks.  If your growth rate is slower, then start closing when you are 90% full.  You can always let people in, but it’s hard to shed them quickly if you are in meltdown mode.  Even after you close, you will have people trickle in (‘Could you see my husband, too, pleeeez?  You’re the only doctor he trusts…’, etc).   A. Eads, M.D.Pinnacle Family Medicine, PLLC phone faxP.O. Box 7275Woodland Park, CO 80863 

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Larry, I feel for the difficulty you have sending that letter.

However, I definitely believe that until we stop being willing to accept

contracts that aren't good for us or our patients, the system won't

change very much. So, I think you are making the right move.

I'm sure the cash flow unknowns are also a challenge. Good luck and

keep us posted.

Sharon

At 07:23 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:

I have all of a sudden jumped to

19-22 patients a day which is definitely more than I am comfortable with.

My target is about 17 ( I have an MA). It seemed to have happened so

suddenly. After 2 years of trying so hard to build a practice it is very

hard to suddenly close. I have decided to stop accepting the bottom 3

insurance companies as a way to decrease my patient load. These comprise

about 25-30% of my practice. I am unsure how many people will see me and

pay cash. A lot of the insurance companies drive me crazy. One our our

biggest payors is United which I am dropping. I think that every one has

heard of the problems people have had with United. I think that a lot of

people will pay cash for superior service but it is such an unknown. I am

sending out almost 400 letters to patients this week letting them know

that I am dropping their insurance as of January 1st and am extremely

anxious with this move toward a more cash based practice. As an economic

move it seemed to me to better to control the volume of patients by

dropping insurances rather than just closing my practice but since I

don't know how patients will continue with me even though they have to

pay pay cash it makes planning very difficult

Larry Lindeman MD

Why is the thought of closing so scary? I

know I need to . I have over 1200 pt, avg 6-10 new pt requests

daily. I see Avg 16-20 pts a day, and I’m maxed out. But does one

close temporarily?, for a few months? I guess the fear (probably

irrational) is suddenly the pt count drops. It seems premature to close a

panel, when I’ve only been opened at my permanent site for 8

months….

T. Ellsworth, MD

9377 E. Bell Road, Suite 175

sdale, Az 85260

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Eads

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:22 AM

To:

Subject: When to close to new pts?

I agree – the size of your patient panel is determined after

you have become ‘full’. I have been adjusting my panel size

downward since I opened 3 years ago – I Initially ‘calculated’ (based on

typical 2-3 visits/pt/yr model, and anticipating 30 minute appts) that I

should have ~700 pts. But in my practice, more often the appts are

45-60 minutes long, and, as I engage in the IMP stuff (time consuming) to

further improve my practice/pt care, I have gradually pared down to 400

pts.

I followed Gordon’s advice, and was glad I did. To

help you determine when you should close, I recommend monitoring your

schedule, and when you are nearly full, start closing the gate.

This depends on your rate of growth. If you are growing like mad,

then start closing when your schedule is 70-80% full for a couple of

weeks. If your growth rate is slower, then start closing when you

are 90% full. You can always let people in, but it’s hard to shed

them quickly if you are in meltdown mode. Even after you close, you

will have people trickle in (‘Could you see my husband, too,

pleeeez? You’re the only doctor he trusts…’, etc).

A. Eads,

M.D.

Pinnacle Family

Medicine, PLLC

phone

fax

Fpßÿÿÿÿx5 P.O.

Box 7275

Woodland Park,

CO 80863

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It is

funny how insurances are viewed in different locales. Here, UHC is not so bad

from my perspective but Anthem BCBS is horrible & would be right up there

with Medicaid on the drop list around here. But yes, I agree that pruning down

low payors is the answer & not closing altogether.

When

to close to new pts?

I agree – the size of your patient panel is determined after you

have become ‘full’. I have been adjusting my panel size downward since I

opened 3 years ago – I Initially ‘calculated’ (based on typical 2-3

visits/pt/yr model, and anticipating 30 minute appts) that I should have ~700

pts. But in my practice, more often the appts are 45-60 minutes long,

and, as I engage in the IMP stuff (time consuming) to further improve my

practice/pt care, I have gradually pared down to 400 pts.

I followed Gordon’s advice, and was glad I did. To help you

determine when you should close, I recommend monitoring your schedule, and when

you are nearly full, start closing the gate. This depends on your rate of

growth. If you are growing like mad, then start closing when your

schedule is 70-80% full for a couple of weeks. If your growth rate is

slower, then start closing when you are 90% full. You can always let

people in, but it’s hard to shed them quickly if you are in meltdown

mode. Even after you close, you will have people trickle in (‘Could you

see my husband, too, pleeeez? You’re the only doctor he trusts…’, etc).

A. Eads, M.D.

Pinnacle Family Medicine, PLLC

phone fax

P.O. Box 7275

Woodland Park, CO

80863

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I have also thought, should I just hire an

MA and keep going…but only briefly. Because than I would be falling into the

trap of bigger, more levels of management, etc.

Thanks to everyone’s input,

I am going to close till the end of the

year as a trial run….and its still scary.

T. Ellsworth, MD

9377 E. Bell Road, Suite 175

sdale, Az 85260

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Larry Lindeman

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006

7:23 PM

To:

Subject: Re:

When to close to new pts?

I have

all of a sudden jumped to 19-22 patients a day which is definitely more than I

am comfortable with. My target is about 17 ( I have an MA). It seemed to have

happened so suddenly. After 2 years of trying so hard to build a practice it is

very hard to suddenly close. I have decided to stop accepting the bottom 3

insurance companies as a way to decrease my patient load. These comprise about

25-30% of my practice. I am unsure how many people will see me and pay cash. A

lot of the insurance companies drive me crazy. One our our biggest payors is

United which I am dropping. I think that every one has heard of the problems

people have had with United. I think that a lot of people will pay cash for

superior service but it is such an unknown. I am sending out almost 400 letters

to patients this week letting them know that I am dropping their insurance

as of January 1st and am extremely anxious with this move toward a more

cash based practice. As an economic move it seemed to me to better to control the

volume of patients by dropping insurances rather than just closing my practice

but since I don't know how patients will continue with me even though they have

to pay pay cash it makes planning very difficult

Larry Lindeman MD

Why is the thought of

closing so scary? I know I need to . I have over 1200 pt, avg 6-10 new pt

requests daily. I see Avg 16-20 pts a day, and I’m maxed out. But

does one close temporarily?, for a few months? I guess the fear (probably irrational) is

suddenly the pt count drops. It seems premature to close a panel, when I’ve

only been opened at my permanent site for 8 months….

T. Ellsworth, MD

9377 E. Bell Road, Suite 175

sdale, Az 85260

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Eads

Sent:

Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:22 AM

To:

Subject:

When

to close to new pts?

I agree – the size of

your patient panel is determined after you have become ‘full’. I have

been adjusting my panel size downward since I opened 3 years ago – I Initially

‘calculated’ (based on typical 2-3 visits/pt/yr model, and anticipating 30

minute appts) that I should have ~700 pts. But in my practice, more often

the appts are 45-60 minutes long, and, as I engage in the IMP stuff (time

consuming) to further improve my practice/pt care, I have gradually pared down

to 400 pts.

I followed Gordon’s

advice, and was glad I did. To help you determine when you should close,

I recommend monitoring your schedule, and when you are nearly full, start

closing the gate. This depends on your rate of growth. If you are

growing like mad, then start closing when your schedule is 70-80% full for a

couple of weeks. If your growth rate is slower, then start closing when

you are 90% full. You can always let people in, but it’s hard to shed

them quickly if you are in meltdown mode. Even after you close, you will

have people trickle in (‘Could you see my husband, too, pleeeez? You’re

the only doctor he trusts…’, etc).

A. Eads, M.D.

Pinnacle Family Medicine, PLLC

phone fax

P.O.

Box 7275

Woodland

Park, CO

80863

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Three months ago, I closed my panel to all new patients except for family

members of existing patients, and I am REALLY GLAD about it. With the first

3 patients that called, I felt guilty turning them away, but now I am

EXULTANT. New patients are a LOT of work- you have to train each other to

the proper behavioral responses, prove yourself (accessibility,

qualifications, compassion) over and over again, read and extract old

records, etc. I feel much lighter and almost caught up on lots of stuff

that was just hanging around. I've got time now to improve on my processes

and keep honing my efficiencies. I kept a small waiting list over the past

few months of people that would not be turned away and have called about 1/2

of them and they are trickling in now. It was definitely a selective list

of patients- I refuse to take any more United insureds- and older people

generally needed something at the time they called, so I didn't take any

more of them either, just gave them the names of colleagues that I know are

taking new patients. The volume and income may have slowed down a bit , but

that's OK with me. I'd rather be poor and unstressed than rich and

frenetic, any day. I'm probably about at 75% of my desired volume (30

visits a week) but I am going to grow the practice slowly and at my pace

(currently about 700 active, maybe will reach 1000 active).

When you close, people don't stop calling- I'm still getting about 5 calls

a week, WOM and referrals from specialists/other professionals. Wish there

was another IMP here to hand them off to...

So don't worry about closing, it's a great feeling!

Lynn

>

>Reply-To:

>To: < >

>Subject: RE: When to close to new pts?

>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:56:04 -0700

>

>Why is the thought of closing so scary? I know I need to . I have over 1200

>pt, avg 6-10 new pt requests daily. I see Avg 16-20 pts a day, and I'm

>maxed out. But does one close temporarily?, for a few months? I guess the

>fear (probably irrational) is suddenly the pt count drops. It seems

>premature to close a panel, when I've only been opened at my permanent site

>for 8 months..

>

>

>

> T. Ellsworth, MD

>

>9377 E. Bell Road, Suite 175

>

>sdale, Az 85260

>

> _____

>

>From:

>[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Eads

>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:22 AM

>To:

>Subject: When to close to new pts?

>

>

>

>I agree - the size of your patient panel is determined after you have

>become

>'full'. I have been adjusting my panel size downward since I opened 3

>years

>ago - I Initially 'calculated' (based on typical 2-3 visits/pt/yr model,

>and

>anticipating 30 minute appts) that I should have ~700 pts. But in my

>practice, more often the appts are 45-60 minutes long, and, as I engage in

>the IMP stuff (time consuming) to further improve my practice/pt care, I

>have gradually pared down to 400 pts.

>

>

>

>I followed Gordon's advice, and was glad I did. To help you determine when

>you should close, I recommend monitoring your schedule, and when you are

>nearly full, start closing the gate. This depends on your rate of growth.

>If you are growing like mad, then start closing when your schedule is

>70-80%

>full for a couple of weeks. If your growth rate is slower, then start

>closing when you are 90% full. You can always let people in, but it's hard

>to shed them quickly if you are in meltdown mode. Even after you close,

>you

>will have people trickle in ('Could you see my husband, too, pleeeez?

>You're the only doctor he trusts.', etc).

>

>

>

> A. Eads, M.D.

>

>Pinnacle Family Medicine, PLLC

>

> phone fax

>

>P.O. Box 7275

>

>Woodland Park, CO 80863

>

>

>

>

>

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Thank you, I just read your last post to

my office manager/everything person.

T. Ellsworth, MD

9377 E. Bell Road, Suite 175

sdale, Az 85260

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of lynn ho

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006

3:00 PM

To:

Subject: RE:

When to close to new pts?

Three months ago, I closed my panel to all new patients except for family

members of existing patients, and I am REALLY GLAD about it. With the first

3 patients that called, I felt guilty turning them away, but now I am

EXULTANT. New patients are a LOT of work- you

have to train each other to

the proper behavioral responses, prove yourself (accessibility,

qualifications, compassion) over and over again, read and extract old

records, etc. I feel much lighter and almost caught up on lots of stuff

that was just hanging around. I've got time now to improve on my processes

and keep honing my efficiencies. I kept a small waiting list over the past

few months of people that would not be turned away and have called about 1/2

of them and they are trickling in now. It was definitely a selective list

of patients- I refuse to take any more United insureds- and older people

generally needed something at the time they called, so I didn't take any

more of them either, just gave them the names of colleagues that I know are

taking new patients. The volume and income may have slowed down a bit , but

that's OK with me. I'd rather be poor and unstressed than rich and

frenetic, any day. I'm probably about at 75% of my desired volume (30

visits a week) but I am going to grow the practice slowly and at my pace

(currently about 700 active, maybe will reach 1000 active).

When you close, people don't stop calling- I'm still getting about 5 calls

a week, WOM and referrals from specialists/other professionals. Wish there

was another IMP here to hand them off to...

So don't worry about closing, it's a great feeling!

Lynn

>From: " Ellsworth " <jellsworth92>

>Reply-To:

>To: < >

>Subject: RE: When to close to new pts?

>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:56:04 -0700

>

>Why is the thought of closing so scary? I know I need to . I have over 1200

>pt, avg 6-10 new pt requests daily. I see Avg 16-20 pts a day, and I'm

>maxed out. But does one close temporarily?, for a few months? I guess

the

>fear (probably irrational) is suddenly the pt count drops. It seems

>premature to close a panel, when I've only been opened at my permanent site

>for 8 months..

>

>

>

> T. Ellsworth, MD

>

>9377 E. Bell Road, Suite 175

>

>sdale, Az 85260

>

> _____

>

>From:

>[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Eads

>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:22 AM

>To:

>Subject: When to close to new pts?

>

>

>

>I agree - the size of your patient panel is determined after you have

>become

>'full'. I have been adjusting my panel size downward since I opened 3

>years

>ago - I Initially 'calculated' (based on typical 2-3 visits/pt/yr model,

>and

>anticipating 30 minute appts) that I should have ~700 pts. But in my

>practice, more often the appts are 45-60 minutes long, and, as I engage in

>the IMP stuff (time consuming) to further improve my practice/pt care, I

>have gradually pared down to 400 pts.

>

>

>

>I followed Gordon's advice, and was glad I did. To help you determine when

>you should close, I recommend monitoring your schedule, and when you are

>nearly full, start closing the gate. This depends on your rate of growth.

>If you are growing like mad, then start closing when your schedule is

>70-80%

>full for a couple of weeks. If your growth rate is slower, then start

>closing when you are 90% full. You can always let people in, but it's hard

>to shed them quickly if you are in meltdown mode. Even after you close,

>you

>will have people trickle in ('Could you see my husband, too, pleeeez?

>You're the only doctor he trusts.', etc).

>

>

>

> A. Eads, M.D.

>

>Pinnacle Family Medicine, PLLC

>

> phone fax

>

>P.O. Box 7275

>

>Woodland Park, CO 80863

>

>

>

>

>

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were you far enough out of Columbus to be part of the Dayton and Cincinnati contract that actually blended the 99213 and 99214? I take both Anthem and UHC. Anthem pays me separately for these codes, they pay for well visit and e+m with modifier 25, they pay well for immunizations, omt and small surgical procedures. UHC never pays for well with sick, didn't pay me for a two month period because of their mistake (this is money I will never see) pays crappy for immunizations and unfortunately is the insurer for most of this part of the city, so 60% of my patients have it. Both insurers are huge, loaded with red tape and bureaucracy (I wish patients understood that this is how health care premiums are spent) and impossible to negotiate with.

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As soon as I start to think my practice is close to capacity & the schedule is

pretty full, I will have several days in a row of only seeing 6-8 patients

(goal: 12-17/day consistently). That is why I'm not a big fan of " closing

sooner rather than later. " Maybe people just don't visit the doctor as often

where I work (?they can not afford to?). Also, new visits may be a lot of work

but they also pay significantly more. I'd rather prune down all low payors

before ever considering closing altogether. I do not believe any primary care

docs in my community are closed to new patients.

>

>

> Date: 2006/10/20 Fri PM 05:59:52 EDT

> To:

> Subject: RE: When to close to new pts?

>

>

> Three months ago, I closed my panel to all new patients except for family

> members of existing patients, and I am REALLY GLAD about it. With the first

> 3 patients that called, I felt guilty turning them away, but now I am

> EXULTANT. New patients are a LOT of work- you have to train each other to

> the proper behavioral responses, prove yourself (accessibility,

> qualifications, compassion) over and over again, read and extract old

> records, etc. I feel much lighter and almost caught up on lots of stuff

> that was just hanging around. I've got time now to improve on my processes

> and keep honing my efficiencies. I kept a small waiting list over the past

> few months of people that would not be turned away and have called about 1/2

> of them and they are trickling in now. It was definitely a selective list

> of patients- I refuse to take any more United insureds- and older people

> generally needed something at the time they called, so I didn't take any

> more of them either, just gave them the names of colleagues that I know are

> taking new patients. The volume and income may have slowed down a bit , but

> that's OK with me. I'd rather be poor and unstressed than rich and

> frenetic, any day. I'm probably about at 75% of my desired volume (30

> visits a week) but I am going to grow the practice slowly and at my pace

> (currently about 700 active, maybe will reach 1000 active).

> When you close, people don't stop calling- I'm still getting about 5 calls

> a week, WOM and referrals from specialists/other professionals. Wish there

> was another IMP here to hand them off to...

>

> So don't worry about closing, it's a great feeling!

>

> Lynn

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To:

> >To: < >

> >Subject: RE: When to close to new pts?

> >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:56:04 -0700

> >

> >Why is the thought of closing so scary? I know I need to . I have over 1200

> >pt, avg 6-10 new pt requests daily. I see Avg 16-20 pts a day, and I'm

> >maxed out. But does one close temporarily?, for a few months? I guess the

> >fear (probably irrational) is suddenly the pt count drops. It seems

> >premature to close a panel, when I've only been opened at my permanent site

> >for 8 months..

> >

> >

> >

> > T. Ellsworth, MD

> >

> >9377 E. Bell Road, Suite 175

> >

> >sdale, Az 85260

> >

> > _____

> >

> >From:

> >[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Eads

> >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:22 AM

> >To:

> >Subject: When to close to new pts?

> >

> >

> >

> >I agree - the size of your patient panel is determined after you have

> >become

> >'full'. I have been adjusting my panel size downward since I opened 3

> >years

> >ago - I Initially 'calculated' (based on typical 2-3 visits/pt/yr model,

> >and

> >anticipating 30 minute appts) that I should have ~700 pts. But in my

> >practice, more often the appts are 45-60 minutes long, and, as I engage in

> >the IMP stuff (time consuming) to further improve my practice/pt care, I

> >have gradually pared down to 400 pts.

> >

> >

> >

> >I followed Gordon's advice, and was glad I did. To help you determine when

> >you should close, I recommend monitoring your schedule, and when you are

> >nearly full, start closing the gate. This depends on your rate of growth.

> >If you are growing like mad, then start closing when your schedule is

> >70-80%

> >full for a couple of weeks. If your growth rate is slower, then start

> >closing when you are 90% full. You can always let people in, but it's hard

> >to shed them quickly if you are in meltdown mode. Even after you close,

> >you

> >will have people trickle in ('Could you see my husband, too, pleeeez?

> >You're the only doctor he trusts.', etc).

> >

> >

> >

> > A. Eads, M.D.

> >

> >Pinnacle Family Medicine, PLLC

> >

> > phone fax

> >

> >P.O. Box 7275

> >

> >Woodland Park, CO 80863

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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No, Anthem did not blend codes here. Anthem is just about the only major plan I

do not take. They seemed to routinely create a " fight " to pay things. They

require notes be sent automatically before they will even cover a level 5 visit.

The blending was just one example of their mentality towards us. I've had no

problems with UHC, but your issues are moot for me: I do not generally code a

preventive plus ill visit together (I make it two separate visits), I do not

give shots anymore, & all my payors reimburse OMT well. Yes, UHC is huge out

here too.

>

> From: mkcl6@...

> Date: 2006/10/21 Sat AM 08:15:43 EDT

> To:

> Subject: Re: When to close to new pts?

>

> were you far enough out of Columbus to be part of the Dayton an

> Cincinnati contract that actually blended the 99213 and 99214? I take both

Anthem

> and UHC. Anthem pays me separately for these codes, they pay for well visit

> and e+m with modifier 25, they pay well for immunizations, omt and small

> surgical procedures. UHC never pays for well with sick, didn't pay me for a

two

> month period because of their mistake (this is money I will never see) pays

> crappy for immunizations and unfortunately is the insurer for most of this

> part of the city, so 60% of my patients have it. Both insurers are huge,

loaded

> with red tape and bureaucracy (I wish patients understood that this is how

> health care premiums are spent) and impossible to negotiate with.

>

>

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I think from a customer service point of view it is important to take care of medical problems at preventive visits. I have several patients who make it clear they appreciate this. Many have complained about others who require them to come back for a second visit to take care of GERD or allergies etc... I think it might be a good idea to evaluate where you stand from a customer service perspective, in this and other arenas, especially if you are having a difficult time reaching your targets for patient visits. .

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I think from a customer service point of view it is important to take care of medical problems at preventive visits. I have several patients who make it clear they appreciate this. Many have complained about others who require them to come back for a second visit to take care of GERD or allergies etc... I think it might be a good idea to evaluate where you stand from a customer service perspective, in this and other arenas, especially if you are having a difficult time reaching your targets for patient visits. .

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In realty, I do it the opposite way: I take care of most of the " preventive "

stuff during regular visits. I rarely do " well visits. " As I've said here many

times, you will still be held liable for the preventive stuff regardless of

whether a patient ever requests a " physical " so you better make sure those

things are covered (ie, mammogram in a 45 year old woman). If you wait to

address those things until the annual physical (that ight never come) you might

get into trouble if something is missed. I just think those screenings, etc can

be handled as you go rather than in separate " preventive visits, but that is

just me.

> From: mkcl6@...

> Date: 2006/10/21 Sat PM 06:01:01 EDT

> To:

> Subject: Re: When to close to new pts?

>

> I think from a customer service point of view it is important to take care

> of medical problems at preventive visits. I have several patients who make

it

> clear they appreciate this. Many have complained about others who require

> them to come back for a second visit to take care of GERD or allergies etc...

> I think it might be a good idea to evaluate where you stand from a customer

> service perspective, in this and other arenas, especially if you are having

a

> difficult time reaching your targets for patient visits. .

>

>

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