Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 FD, Well, it seems obvious to me that this is just ERP that everyone on this site talks about. It's a method of exposing the child to the fear until she is desensitized to it. I don't know if that's your question or not-what this " shock therapy " does to help, but according to many parents on this forum, it is the right thing. Sounds like the therapist is researching what needs to be done and is very much on the right track. in Southern IL " Shock " Therapy Hello all, My wife took our daughter to therapy today. Our therapist is actually very good, but like many others, she's not perfect. Each person is unique and presents a different challange. I think she was kind of taken off guard when my wife told her that had told us she didn't think her therapist was doing any good, and that all they really do is play games. Which proves, as I've been saying all along, that it's not sinking in - yet. Of course, as the adults, we understand what's behind it all, and we are on the same page as our therapist. But I'm sure it struck her that the kid who she thinks is really shy and is simply going through the motions is actually making an assesment about her skills as a PhD! Perhaps it will help her to see a different perspective than the one she has. She says is so reserved, she doesn't really say anything much, but just kind of goes through the motions, and she's a tough nut to crack. So developing a raport is crucial, but very hard. In any event, she said she was reading a workbook about OCD and thought we could try a suggestion that was posed. It's kind of like shock therapy. My wife said I could probably do it, but it's not in her. Essentially, the point is to say exactly the reverse of what they are thinking. OCD is all about assurance, and they want so bad for you to tell them it's ok all the time. So one day, when wakes up and asks if her sister is sick, we should say, " heck no, she's been in the bathroom for hours throwing up, we've been up all night, she's got a 105 fever, and we might be taking her to the hospital. " Of course, she would lose it! But then she would find out that we were just yanking her chain. I'm not sure just what she'd throw or slam at that point, but I'm sure it would be something that cost a lot of money! My question is, does anyone know what the point of that exercise is, and has anyone tried it? FD Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// . Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 FD, Well, it seems obvious to me that this is just ERP that everyone on this site talks about. It's a method of exposing the child to the fear until she is desensitized to it. I don't know if that's your question or not-what this " shock therapy " does to help, but according to many parents on this forum, it is the right thing. Sounds like the therapist is researching what needs to be done and is very much on the right track. in Southern IL " Shock " Therapy Hello all, My wife took our daughter to therapy today. Our therapist is actually very good, but like many others, she's not perfect. Each person is unique and presents a different challange. I think she was kind of taken off guard when my wife told her that had told us she didn't think her therapist was doing any good, and that all they really do is play games. Which proves, as I've been saying all along, that it's not sinking in - yet. Of course, as the adults, we understand what's behind it all, and we are on the same page as our therapist. But I'm sure it struck her that the kid who she thinks is really shy and is simply going through the motions is actually making an assesment about her skills as a PhD! Perhaps it will help her to see a different perspective than the one she has. She says is so reserved, she doesn't really say anything much, but just kind of goes through the motions, and she's a tough nut to crack. So developing a raport is crucial, but very hard. In any event, she said she was reading a workbook about OCD and thought we could try a suggestion that was posed. It's kind of like shock therapy. My wife said I could probably do it, but it's not in her. Essentially, the point is to say exactly the reverse of what they are thinking. OCD is all about assurance, and they want so bad for you to tell them it's ok all the time. So one day, when wakes up and asks if her sister is sick, we should say, " heck no, she's been in the bathroom for hours throwing up, we've been up all night, she's got a 105 fever, and we might be taking her to the hospital. " Of course, she would lose it! But then she would find out that we were just yanking her chain. I'm not sure just what she'd throw or slam at that point, but I'm sure it would be something that cost a lot of money! My question is, does anyone know what the point of that exercise is, and has anyone tried it? FD Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// . Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 FD, Well, it seems obvious to me that this is just ERP that everyone on this site talks about. It's a method of exposing the child to the fear until she is desensitized to it. I don't know if that's your question or not-what this " shock therapy " does to help, but according to many parents on this forum, it is the right thing. Sounds like the therapist is researching what needs to be done and is very much on the right track. in Southern IL " Shock " Therapy Hello all, My wife took our daughter to therapy today. Our therapist is actually very good, but like many others, she's not perfect. Each person is unique and presents a different challange. I think she was kind of taken off guard when my wife told her that had told us she didn't think her therapist was doing any good, and that all they really do is play games. Which proves, as I've been saying all along, that it's not sinking in - yet. Of course, as the adults, we understand what's behind it all, and we are on the same page as our therapist. But I'm sure it struck her that the kid who she thinks is really shy and is simply going through the motions is actually making an assesment about her skills as a PhD! Perhaps it will help her to see a different perspective than the one she has. She says is so reserved, she doesn't really say anything much, but just kind of goes through the motions, and she's a tough nut to crack. So developing a raport is crucial, but very hard. In any event, she said she was reading a workbook about OCD and thought we could try a suggestion that was posed. It's kind of like shock therapy. My wife said I could probably do it, but it's not in her. Essentially, the point is to say exactly the reverse of what they are thinking. OCD is all about assurance, and they want so bad for you to tell them it's ok all the time. So one day, when wakes up and asks if her sister is sick, we should say, " heck no, she's been in the bathroom for hours throwing up, we've been up all night, she's got a 105 fever, and we might be taking her to the hospital. " Of course, she would lose it! But then she would find out that we were just yanking her chain. I'm not sure just what she'd throw or slam at that point, but I'm sure it would be something that cost a lot of money! My question is, does anyone know what the point of that exercise is, and has anyone tried it? FD Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// . Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Yes! My dd was afraid that she had been poisoned, also. Things might taste a little funny or there was an unidentified speck of something in her food and she was sure she had been poisoned. Her therapist had me purposely " poison " her food by adding something (vanilla extract, powdered sugar, etc.) and then she would try to guess what it was that I added. I would act like the evil mad scientist the whole time. Great fun! We would play this game when she was NOT in crisis mode. It knocked her fear of poisoning out pretty fast. Also, when she would be worried that she had been poisoned I would say something like, " Yes, you have been poisoned and this particular poison is the fast acting kind...it should be taking effect in about 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. " Or, " Well, honey, you don't need to worry about the poison in your lunch because the poison in your breakfast this morning should do the trick. " On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:15:43 EST kelleydinkins@... writes: > > I'm sure that you will hear many stories about parents doing > this--it really > does seem to work with a bit of humor mixed in. My favorite story > from this > site (and I cannot remember who told it) was from a mom who got > tired of > answering the " did you put poison in my food " question every > morning. She finally > said one day, " I haven't had time to today but I'll try to fit it in > tomorrow. " > Her kid looked at her, laughed, and ate the food. It's just crazy > enough to > work...Kelley in NV > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Yes! My dd was afraid that she had been poisoned, also. Things might taste a little funny or there was an unidentified speck of something in her food and she was sure she had been poisoned. Her therapist had me purposely " poison " her food by adding something (vanilla extract, powdered sugar, etc.) and then she would try to guess what it was that I added. I would act like the evil mad scientist the whole time. Great fun! We would play this game when she was NOT in crisis mode. It knocked her fear of poisoning out pretty fast. Also, when she would be worried that she had been poisoned I would say something like, " Yes, you have been poisoned and this particular poison is the fast acting kind...it should be taking effect in about 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. " Or, " Well, honey, you don't need to worry about the poison in your lunch because the poison in your breakfast this morning should do the trick. " On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:15:43 EST kelleydinkins@... writes: > > I'm sure that you will hear many stories about parents doing > this--it really > does seem to work with a bit of humor mixed in. My favorite story > from this > site (and I cannot remember who told it) was from a mom who got > tired of > answering the " did you put poison in my food " question every > morning. She finally > said one day, " I haven't had time to today but I'll try to fit it in > tomorrow. " > Her kid looked at her, laughed, and ate the food. It's just crazy > enough to > work...Kelley in NV > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Yes! My dd was afraid that she had been poisoned, also. Things might taste a little funny or there was an unidentified speck of something in her food and she was sure she had been poisoned. Her therapist had me purposely " poison " her food by adding something (vanilla extract, powdered sugar, etc.) and then she would try to guess what it was that I added. I would act like the evil mad scientist the whole time. Great fun! We would play this game when she was NOT in crisis mode. It knocked her fear of poisoning out pretty fast. Also, when she would be worried that she had been poisoned I would say something like, " Yes, you have been poisoned and this particular poison is the fast acting kind...it should be taking effect in about 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. " Or, " Well, honey, you don't need to worry about the poison in your lunch because the poison in your breakfast this morning should do the trick. " On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:15:43 EST kelleydinkins@... writes: > > I'm sure that you will hear many stories about parents doing > this--it really > does seem to work with a bit of humor mixed in. My favorite story > from this > site (and I cannot remember who told it) was from a mom who got > tired of > answering the " did you put poison in my food " question every > morning. She finally > said one day, " I haven't had time to today but I'll try to fit it in > tomorrow. " > Her kid looked at her, laughed, and ate the food. It's just crazy > enough to > work...Kelley in NV > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 villareal3@... writes: Also, when she would be worried that she had been poisoned I would say something like, " Yes, you have been poisoned and this particular poison is the fast acting kind...it should be taking effect in about 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. " Or, " Well, honey, you don't need to worry about the poison in your lunch because the poison in your breakfast this morning should do the trick. " Ha! That is too funny! My 9 yr old son was doing better the past few days but today took a turn for the worst. For the past 6 weeks he has had to brush off and brush his feet off before leaving his room (saving the dust) and also making anyone else who enters his room do this when leaving. But the past few days he was able to let us leave without brushing off/wiping feet and he even came out a few times without brushing off/wiping feet. He was very excited that he was able to do this. BUT today, his brother woke him up and told him he hadn't fed his pet turtle (little red slider). DS ran straight out of his room not " remembering " to brush off/wipe feet and now this has totally panicked him. He is curled in a ball under his covers really upset that he forgot. I suppose he could have thought about it and made the choice not to do this, but since he " forgot " he is really in a panic. I feel so bad as I've seen such improvement in the past few days that this feels like a major setback. But we'll get through it. By the way, it is my son that is growing his hair to donate. I wouldn't want to stop him from doing this because it makes him feel really good to help other people. I wrote about it because I was so surprised to hear the psych say this was an obsession (growing his hair to donate it). I thought it was just something nice he wanted to do. He has done it before and I have the photos on a website if anyone wants to see him. Also, he paints really well and sells his paintings to raise money for cancer research. He wants to be a scientist when he grows up and help find a cure for cancer. (All this, his psych doesn't know about. In fact, she knows nothing about his schooling...that he's been in 9 schools because he never fit in, bullied, beat up, etc.) Ds just came out of his room. He's finally calmed down. whoo. Okay, I'm feeling better already. I guess he was just upset because he didn't make the " conscious choice " to walk out of his room. Thanks for listening, Debbi (PS: we are taking ds to see Disney's Monster's Inc today in Long Beach. I sure hope he " survives " .) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 villareal3@... writes: Also, when she would be worried that she had been poisoned I would say something like, " Yes, you have been poisoned and this particular poison is the fast acting kind...it should be taking effect in about 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. " Or, " Well, honey, you don't need to worry about the poison in your lunch because the poison in your breakfast this morning should do the trick. " Ha! That is too funny! My 9 yr old son was doing better the past few days but today took a turn for the worst. For the past 6 weeks he has had to brush off and brush his feet off before leaving his room (saving the dust) and also making anyone else who enters his room do this when leaving. But the past few days he was able to let us leave without brushing off/wiping feet and he even came out a few times without brushing off/wiping feet. He was very excited that he was able to do this. BUT today, his brother woke him up and told him he hadn't fed his pet turtle (little red slider). DS ran straight out of his room not " remembering " to brush off/wipe feet and now this has totally panicked him. He is curled in a ball under his covers really upset that he forgot. I suppose he could have thought about it and made the choice not to do this, but since he " forgot " he is really in a panic. I feel so bad as I've seen such improvement in the past few days that this feels like a major setback. But we'll get through it. By the way, it is my son that is growing his hair to donate. I wouldn't want to stop him from doing this because it makes him feel really good to help other people. I wrote about it because I was so surprised to hear the psych say this was an obsession (growing his hair to donate it). I thought it was just something nice he wanted to do. He has done it before and I have the photos on a website if anyone wants to see him. Also, he paints really well and sells his paintings to raise money for cancer research. He wants to be a scientist when he grows up and help find a cure for cancer. (All this, his psych doesn't know about. In fact, she knows nothing about his schooling...that he's been in 9 schools because he never fit in, bullied, beat up, etc.) Ds just came out of his room. He's finally calmed down. whoo. Okay, I'm feeling better already. I guess he was just upset because he didn't make the " conscious choice " to walk out of his room. Thanks for listening, Debbi (PS: we are taking ds to see Disney's Monster's Inc today in Long Beach. I sure hope he " survives " .) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 villareal3@... writes: Also, when she would be worried that she had been poisoned I would say something like, " Yes, you have been poisoned and this particular poison is the fast acting kind...it should be taking effect in about 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. " Or, " Well, honey, you don't need to worry about the poison in your lunch because the poison in your breakfast this morning should do the trick. " Ha! That is too funny! My 9 yr old son was doing better the past few days but today took a turn for the worst. For the past 6 weeks he has had to brush off and brush his feet off before leaving his room (saving the dust) and also making anyone else who enters his room do this when leaving. But the past few days he was able to let us leave without brushing off/wiping feet and he even came out a few times without brushing off/wiping feet. He was very excited that he was able to do this. BUT today, his brother woke him up and told him he hadn't fed his pet turtle (little red slider). DS ran straight out of his room not " remembering " to brush off/wipe feet and now this has totally panicked him. He is curled in a ball under his covers really upset that he forgot. I suppose he could have thought about it and made the choice not to do this, but since he " forgot " he is really in a panic. I feel so bad as I've seen such improvement in the past few days that this feels like a major setback. But we'll get through it. By the way, it is my son that is growing his hair to donate. I wouldn't want to stop him from doing this because it makes him feel really good to help other people. I wrote about it because I was so surprised to hear the psych say this was an obsession (growing his hair to donate it). I thought it was just something nice he wanted to do. He has done it before and I have the photos on a website if anyone wants to see him. Also, he paints really well and sells his paintings to raise money for cancer research. He wants to be a scientist when he grows up and help find a cure for cancer. (All this, his psych doesn't know about. In fact, she knows nothing about his schooling...that he's been in 9 schools because he never fit in, bullied, beat up, etc.) Ds just came out of his room. He's finally calmed down. whoo. Okay, I'm feeling better already. I guess he was just upset because he didn't make the " conscious choice " to walk out of his room. Thanks for listening, Debbi (PS: we are taking ds to see Disney's Monster's Inc today in Long Beach. I sure hope he " survives " .) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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