Re: spring 2004 wise traditions mag - disappointed with a few comments

[Guest guest]

Busse wrote:

> why do people think that birth control should be guaranteed?

>

> the success rate is never 100% even if it's 99% that means that one

> out of one hundred times will produce a pregnancy. for a million

> people, just having sex one time each using that method, would

> produce ten thousand pregnancies!

The failure rates typically given are measured in annual terms. That is,

a 1% failure rate means that 1% of sexually active, fertile women using

that method of contraception will become pregnant within a year. Most

" failures " of birth control are due to human error, such as failure to

use it consistently. Here's a table showing the theoretical and actual

rates of effectiveness of various methods:

http://www.amherst.edu/~healthed/contraceptioneffectiveness.html

[Guest guest]

Tas',

and how would you say you achieved that? what did you say to your

daughter? (i realize this is VERy personal).

our son is 13. he seems very innocent. he doesn't want to talk about it

AT ALL. he doesn't want to know anything.

of course we HAVE talked. but i don't' want to ram the subject down his

throat, either.

maybe he's not ready yet. or maybe i need to take a gentler approach and

make small, frequent statements and not huge lectures.

It can also be said that if it's not hidden away and it's talked about

freely, it won't be seen by the child as a mystery that needs to be

explored. It still comes down to the parent/child relationship, morals,

etc. My almost 16 y.o. daughter loves programs like Friends, but she has

her head screwed on really tight, and wouldn't dream of having

inappropriate sex.

Cheers,

Tas'.

[Guest guest]

a,

why not just cover up? is that an inconvenience for you?

laura

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:43:53 -0000 " hlthgrl5275 " <hlthgrl5275@...>

writes:

i suppose you're right. but - should i be forced to go against my

instinct to nurse my baby wherever and whenever without covering up

just because a man might walk by and get turned on by the sight of

my breast??

[Guest guest]

Rebekah i meant HERE in this country in our culture. i implied it

elsewhere in my email but i didn't say that specifically in that part.

again, i know what i meant but didn't communicate clearly enough and so i

am often misunderstood. sigh. oh well.

I'll stick to 'topic' from now on.

laura

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:51:14 -0700 " Rebekah and "

<ContinuumFamily@...> writes:

Not every society/culture sees breasts as sexual, from what I have

learned about cultural anthropology.

Rebekah

> but men will almost always see a breast as sexual, and if a mom is

NIP,

> they STILL will.

>

[Guest guest]

> Re: Re: spring 2004 wise traditions mag - disappointed

>with a few comments

>

>

>Not every society/culture sees breasts as sexual, from what I have

>learned about cultural anthropology.

In Nepal for example, an unmarried woman is not allowed to bare her breasts,

but *married* woman can do so, and no one seems to notice. This is also a

place were kids crap in the streets (at least they did in Kathmandu when I

was there) and no one noticed either. The preference for privacy while

deficating or urinating is culturally specific, IME.

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[Guest guest]

>>>Tas',

and how would you say you achieved that? what did you say to your

daughter? (i realize this is VERy personal).

our son is 13. he seems very innocent. he doesn't want to talk about it

AT ALL. he doesn't want to know anything.

of course we HAVE talked. but i don't' want to ram the subject down his

throat, either.

maybe he's not ready yet. or maybe i need to take a gentler approach and

make small, frequent statements and not huge lectures.

<<<

Ummmmmm. Do you want to know how much I was hoping you wouldn't ask that ;-) I'm

not sure that I really know the answer. I guess I just got lucky in the juggling

act of parenting. I can't put my finger on any particular thing that I've said -

I think it's more the culmination of attitudes and circumstances over her

lifetime. Of course what works and doesn't work for us would probably turn out

completely different for you - everyone's different.

I wouldn't worry too much if your son doesn't want to talk about these things,

as long as he knows that you and his father are there for him if/when he does

want to.

Cheers,

Tas'.

[Guest guest]

>>><ChrisMasterjohn@a...> wrote: Yeah, I feel moderately

uncomfortable with finding 15-year-olds

sexually attractive.

does this happen when their ass is hanging out from the shorts that

have some ridiculous logo scrawled across it?

blech.

erica z

[Guest guest]

do you cover your head when you eat? why should i cover my body when

i feel perfectly comfortable not doing so? so others won't have to,

gasp, see my normal, beautiful breast?

no offense, but with that logic i'd love to be able to encourage a

mom who leaves her infant in one of those buckets (car seats) for

hours on end because she doesn't feel like holding him/her to drape

a blanket over her head.

erica z

> a,

>

> why not just cover up? is that an inconvenience for you?

>

> laura

>

> On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:43:53 -0000 " hlthgrl5275 " <hlthgrl5275@y...>

> writes:

> i suppose you're right. but - should i be forced to go against my

> instinct to nurse my baby wherever and whenever without covering

up

> just because a man might walk by and get turned on by the sight of

> my breast??

>

>

[Guest guest]

> do you cover your head when you eat? why should i cover my body

when

> i feel perfectly comfortable not doing so? so others won't have to,

> gasp, see my normal, beautiful breast?

a,

If you feel perfectly comfortable doing so, then do so. But if it

makes you uncomfortable that other men might also " like " seeing your

normal, beautiful breast, then you might choose to cover up, because

men don't have a responsibility to not find breasts sexually

stimulating. (Obviously they would have a responsibility not to

harass you...)

Chris

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I feel moderately

> uncomfortable with finding 15-year-olds

> sexually attractive.

>

>

> does this happen when their ass is hanging out from the shorts that

> have some ridiculous logo scrawled across it?

There's a bit of a gap between sexually attractive and " trashy. "

Chris

[Guest guest]

right...

it's been my experience, though, that most men turn away if they see

i'm nursing isadora. it seems almost instinctual. then again, maybe

i just haven't come across any uncouth dudes in my nursing career.

erica z

> > do you cover your head when you eat? why should i cover my body

> when

> > i feel perfectly comfortable not doing so? so others won't have

to,

> > gasp, see my normal, beautiful breast?

>

> a,

>

> If you feel perfectly comfortable doing so, then do so. But if it

> makes you uncomfortable that other men might also " like " seeing

your

> normal, beautiful breast, then you might choose to cover up,

because

> men don't have a responsibility to not find breasts sexually

> stimulating. (Obviously they would have a responsibility not to

> harass you...)

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

The kind of dressing gay I thought about was more like a tight-fitting

T-shirt and jeans that fit tight but are usally loose at the feet

(KWIM, the kind usually women wear). Plus very " made " hair. My bf has

seen him and told me " this guy is gay " (oh, surprise).

But actually, what I just described also goes for ravers.

Anja

> started dressing gay and such.

>

> Dressing gay? In my case, that's 501's and a t-shirt. Cool! I can now

> assume any guy in jeans and a t-shirt is gay!

>

[Guest guest]

NO, what I meant to say is that there was no real means of

birthcontrol. And this made women in general pregnant more often. And

it also meant that prostitutes had children, which I think they can

and do try to prevent today? But then, they just must've gotten preg

pretty often. I do think there were abortions, but guess they were

rather deadly (for 2 instead of just 1). Well and those kids must've

had a miserable life.

And, the abortions nowadays take place because those women (and their

partner at that moment) do NOT use birthcontrol of any kind, or are

not good at it. Or maybe are just unlucky. It's easy to get carried

away in the moment, but when you really can't have a child right now,

you got to keep that in your head...

CU Anja

> > Yeah and with no real birthcontrol, there were a lot of children

> whose

> > mother was working as a prostitute and didn't know who the father of

> > each of her children was, plus she probably had VD.

> > Which means, some husband had it as well and his wife shared it.

> > Come visit this part of the city and you get a taste of it, there

> are

> > SO many mothers who have 4 different children from 6 different guys,

> > who are all drunks or something. Those kids have such an unstable

> > home, a new " dad " every few weeks and living off welfare. I don't

> > think that leads to being faithful...

> > CU Anja

> >

> > > >at least in the n era, people had a CHANCE to grow up

> > chaste and

> > > >remain faithful during marriage.

[Guest guest]

Trying not to stare usually means looking away. But it's a decision

made in less than a second. Like when you see someone who's disabled,

you don't want to stare, so you look away.

Maybe it's one of those things you can't do right? You wouldn't

want them to stare, would you?

Though staring is the one thing men can do to show their feelings, haha.

CU Anja

> right...

> it's been my experience, though, that most men turn away if they see

> i'm nursing isadora. it seems almost instinctual. then again, maybe

> i just haven't come across any uncouth dudes in my nursing career.

> erica z