Re: Re: exercise questions

[Guest guest]

I don't know about those scales though, the body fat measuring ones. I've had one for some time but the reading it gives me can't be right. I'm pretty lean with just a little fat around the middle, yet the scale gives me a reading of over 20% body fat. This is about the same as my mother who clearly is packing a little extra. What makes me question this machine is that I"m pretty solid all around except for a little bit around the middle, but far from enough to make the percentages the machine is calling for.

[Guest guest]

I don't know about those scales though, the body fat measuring ones. I've had one for some time but the reading it gives me can't be right. I'm pretty lean with just a little fat around the middle, yet the scale gives me a reading of over 20% body fat. This is about the same as my mother who clearly is packing a little extra. What makes me question this machine is that I"m pretty solid all around except for a little bit around the middle, but far from enough to make the percentages the machine is calling for.

[Guest guest]

I don't recall anything in the owner's manual about the hydration issue. What happened in my case is that that scale got put in storage and I'm using one of the old fashioned kind. I only check my weight about twice a month now since it is down to where I want it and I am keeping up with the exercise.

[Guest guest]

I don't recall anything in the owner's manual about the hydration issue. What happened in my case is that that scale got put in storage and I'm using one of the old fashioned kind. I only check my weight about twice a month now since it is down to where I want it and I am keeping up with the exercise.

[Guest guest]

I don't recall anything in the owner's manual about the hydration issue. What happened in my case is that that scale got put in storage and I'm using one of the old fashioned kind. I only check my weight about twice a month now since it is down to where I want it and I am keeping up with the exercise.

[Guest guest]

BMI does have one flaw, however. It only looks at total body weight compared to height. So if you are very muscular you can end up with an unhealthy rating. A lot of well conditioned athletes have actually been classified as obese by the BMI. Still, for the average person it would be a good guide.

What I would like to know is what the, shoot can't think of the name of it now, the rating on it is. Most scientific tests require a 95% tolerance. I won't go into the statistical background on this, but 95% is achieveable but not easy. Anything higher and the difficulty of passing gets very steep very fast. Anything less and the probability of passing becomes much easier very rapidly. If the BMI was set toward the 95%, then it would be pretty reliable.

[Guest guest]

BMI does have one flaw, however. It only looks at total body weight compared to height. So if you are very muscular you can end up with an unhealthy rating. A lot of well conditioned athletes have actually been classified as obese by the BMI. Still, for the average person it would be a good guide.

What I would like to know is what the, shoot can't think of the name of it now, the rating on it is. Most scientific tests require a 95% tolerance. I won't go into the statistical background on this, but 95% is achieveable but not easy. Anything higher and the difficulty of passing gets very steep very fast. Anything less and the probability of passing becomes much easier very rapidly. If the BMI was set toward the 95%, then it would be pretty reliable.

[Guest guest]

BMI does have one flaw, however. It only looks at total body weight compared to height. So if you are very muscular you can end up with an unhealthy rating. A lot of well conditioned athletes have actually been classified as obese by the BMI. Still, for the average person it would be a good guide.

What I would like to know is what the, shoot can't think of the name of it now, the rating on it is. Most scientific tests require a 95% tolerance. I won't go into the statistical background on this, but 95% is achieveable but not easy. Anything higher and the difficulty of passing gets very steep very fast. Anything less and the probability of passing becomes much easier very rapidly. If the BMI was set toward the 95%, then it would be pretty reliable.

[Guest guest]

The body fat devices that use electrical impedance are affected by the water in your body... basically you need to be well hydrated for them to be accurate. If you are dehydrated, then it throws off the reading.

Dan

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I don't know about those scales though, the body fat measuring ones. I've had one for some time but the reading it gives me can't be right. I'm pretty lean with just a little fat around the middle, yet the scale gives me a reading of over 20% body fat. This is about the same as my mother who clearly is packing a little extra. What makes me question this machine is that I"m pretty solid all around except for a little bit around the middle, but far from enough to make the percentages the machine is calling for.

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[Guest guest]

The body fat devices that use electrical impedance are affected by the water in your body... basically you need to be well hydrated for them to be accurate. If you are dehydrated, then it throws off the reading.

Dan

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I don't know about those scales though, the body fat measuring ones. I've had one for some time but the reading it gives me can't be right. I'm pretty lean with just a little fat around the middle, yet the scale gives me a reading of over 20% body fat. This is about the same as my mother who clearly is packing a little extra. What makes me question this machine is that I"m pretty solid all around except for a little bit around the middle, but far from enough to make the percentages the machine is calling for.

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[Guest guest]

You have to discover it on your own.

I don't have a bodyfat scale, so I don't know if it is in the manual or not.

About 15 years ago I was really into working out and I was really interested

in using bodyfat a key measurement of my progress. It was hard to find

anyplace that would test bodyfat, and those nifty scales didn't exist. I

ended up going to a weight loss clinic that had a machine that used

electrical impedance. A few years later, I bought a little hand held bodyfat

testing device. Somewhere I found out that your level of hydration played a

role in the accuracy.

Dan

Re: Re: exercise questions

>

>

>

> I don't know about those scales though, the body fat measuring

ones. I've

> had one for some time but the reading it gives me can't be right.

I'm pretty

> lean with just a little fat around the middle, yet the scale gives

me a

> reading of over 20% body fat. This is about the same as my mother

who

> clearly is packing a little extra. What makes me question this

machine is

> that I " m pretty solid all around except for a little bit around the

middle,

> but far from enough to make the percentages the machine is calling

for.

>

>

>

>

> FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship,

support and

> acceptance. Everyone is valued.

>

> Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page

in the

> folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

[Guest guest]

You have to discover it on your own.

I don't have a bodyfat scale, so I don't know if it is in the manual or not.

About 15 years ago I was really into working out and I was really interested

in using bodyfat a key measurement of my progress. It was hard to find

anyplace that would test bodyfat, and those nifty scales didn't exist. I

ended up going to a weight loss clinic that had a machine that used

electrical impedance. A few years later, I bought a little hand held bodyfat

testing device. Somewhere I found out that your level of hydration played a

role in the accuracy.

Dan

Re: Re: exercise questions

>

>

>

> I don't know about those scales though, the body fat measuring

ones. I've

> had one for some time but the reading it gives me can't be right.

I'm pretty

> lean with just a little fat around the middle, yet the scale gives

me a

> reading of over 20% body fat. This is about the same as my mother

who

> clearly is packing a little extra. What makes me question this

machine is

> that I " m pretty solid all around except for a little bit around the

middle,

> but far from enough to make the percentages the machine is calling

for.

>

>

>

>

> FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship,

support and

> acceptance. Everyone is valued.

>

> Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page

in the

> folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

[Guest guest]

>> Intolerances seem to be common among APT

What is " APT " ?

" Newbie " Dan

Re: exercise questions

<snip>

Food intolerances can make you bloated as well. This happened to me

because I am lactose intolerant. Intolerances seem to be common

amoung APT - lactose (milk products) and gluten (wheat and other

grains) are the most common. If you cut a food out of your diet and

loose 5-10 pounds of water (you will have to go to the bathroom

alot) within a week then you know it was a reaction to the food.

Ilah

[Guest guest]

>> Intolerances seem to be common among APT

What is " APT " ?

" Newbie " Dan

Re: exercise questions

<snip>

Food intolerances can make you bloated as well. This happened to me

because I am lactose intolerant. Intolerances seem to be common

amoung APT - lactose (milk products) and gluten (wheat and other

grains) are the most common. If you cut a food out of your diet and

loose 5-10 pounds of water (you will have to go to the bathroom

alot) within a week then you know it was a reaction to the food.

Ilah

[Guest guest]

>> Intolerances seem to be common among APT

What is " APT " ?

" Newbie " Dan

Re: exercise questions

<snip>

Food intolerances can make you bloated as well. This happened to me

because I am lactose intolerant. Intolerances seem to be common

amoung APT - lactose (milk products) and gluten (wheat and other

grains) are the most common. If you cut a food out of your diet and

loose 5-10 pounds of water (you will have to go to the bathroom

alot) within a week then you know it was a reaction to the food.

Ilah

[Guest guest]

VISIGOTH@... wrote:

> BMI does have one flaw, however. It only looks at total body weight

> compared to height. So if you are very muscular you can end up with an

> unhealthy rating. A lot of well conditioned athletes have actually been

> classified as obese by the BMI. Still, for the average person it would

> be a good guide.

>

> What I would like to know is what the, shoot can't think of the name of

> it now, the rating on it is. Most scientific tests require a 95%

> tolerance. I won't go into the statistical background on this, but 95%

> is achieveable but not easy. Anything higher and the difficulty of

> passing gets very steep very fast. Anything less and the probability of

> passing becomes much easier very rapidly. If the BMI was set toward the

> 95%, then it would be pretty reliable.

>

>

Not to be nit-picky, but it's not a total flaw due to excess muscle

causing as much strain on the heart as fat does.

Inaccurately

Raeth

[Guest guest]

Dwight,

Mental state can have a great impact on hearth. If the coach knew that he had high blood pressure, he should have been treating it in one form or another. Given this, there were probably other aspects of his health he was ignoring as well. The heavy person was doing things right it seems. They were treating their high blood pressure and probably took good care of their health otherwise. There is also the matter that they were in good spirits which plays a big hand as well.

I also agree that too little body fat is not a good thing. This is why I am not sweating the little bit of weight I have around my middle. When I say a little I mean that if I am standing up straight you can't "pinch and inch" on me. A little reserve is a good thing in case you get sick. Since you might not be eating much then, the body has something to draw calories from before it starts to break down the muscles for food.

[Guest guest]

Dwight,

I'm 5'4" and about 145. That puts my BMI right about 25 which is the limit for getting into overweight territory. I used to be about 165, but I have brought my weight back down and aim to keep it about where it is.

Amusingly I look like I have a bit of a gut but I don't. For years I have been deep breathing from the diaphram like one is actually supposed to be. Combined with the type of workouts I do, the lower edge of my ribcage stands out a little. If you look at a lot of the old time strong men you can see the same type of development. As a result, if I slump it looks like I have a have a beer belly starting. Even if I stand up straight, that just makes the ribs stick out more and has something of the same effect. A few of my friends have been surprised when they poked my stomach to actually feel only a light bit of padding over the muscles.

[Guest guest]

Dwight,

I'm 5'4" and about 145. That puts my BMI right about 25 which is the limit for getting into overweight territory. I used to be about 165, but I have brought my weight back down and aim to keep it about where it is.

Amusingly I look like I have a bit of a gut but I don't. For years I have been deep breathing from the diaphram like one is actually supposed to be. Combined with the type of workouts I do, the lower edge of my ribcage stands out a little. If you look at a lot of the old time strong men you can see the same type of development. As a result, if I slump it looks like I have a have a beer belly starting. Even if I stand up straight, that just makes the ribs stick out more and has something of the same effect. A few of my friends have been surprised when they poked my stomach to actually feel only a light bit of padding over the muscles.

[Guest guest]

Dwight,

I'm 5'4" and about 145. That puts my BMI right about 25 which is the limit for getting into overweight territory. I used to be about 165, but I have brought my weight back down and aim to keep it about where it is.

Amusingly I look like I have a bit of a gut but I don't. For years I have been deep breathing from the diaphram like one is actually supposed to be. Combined with the type of workouts I do, the lower edge of my ribcage stands out a little. If you look at a lot of the old time strong men you can see the same type of development. As a result, if I slump it looks like I have a have a beer belly starting. Even if I stand up straight, that just makes the ribs stick out more and has something of the same effect. A few of my friends have been surprised when they poked my stomach to actually feel only a light bit of padding over the muscles.

[Guest guest]

,

Depending on where one

is going to pinch, they

may not be able to

pinch 2 inches on me.

I'm 6' and 195 lbs. I would

love to be 150 lbs.

DwightVISIGOTH@... wrote:

Dwight,

Mental state can have a great impact on hearth. If the coach knew that he had high blood pressure, he should have been treating it in one form or another. Given this, there were probably other aspects of his health he was ignoring as well. The heavy person was doing things right it seems. They were treating their high blood pressure and probably took good care of their health otherwise. There is also the matter that they were in good spirits which plays a big hand as well.

I also agree that too little body fat is not a good thing. This is why I am not sweating the little bit of weight I have around my middle. When I say a little I mean that if I am standing up straight you can't "pinch and inch" on me. A little reserve is a good thing in case you get sick. Since you might not be eating much then, the body has something to draw calories from before it starts to break down the muscles for food.

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[Guest guest]

Punjabi Jowo wrote:

> Hi Raeth!

>

> You have made a

> very interesting analysis

> here!

>

> I noticed that a few

> years back, there was

> a woman who was known as " The

> Fastest Woman on Earth " . She

> probably had no body fat but

> died of a heart attack at the

> young age of 34.

>

> Dwight

Hey Punjabi,

Now that's interesting as well, because if she literally had no or very

little body fat as you said, it's unhealthy due to needing body fat too.

Raeth

[Guest guest]

Punjabi Jowo wrote:

> Hi Raeth!

>

> You have made a

> very interesting analysis

> here!

>

> I noticed that a few

> years back, there was

> a woman who was known as " The

> Fastest Woman on Earth " . She

> probably had no body fat but

> died of a heart attack at the

> young age of 34.

>

> Dwight

Hey Punjabi,

Now that's interesting as well, because if she literally had no or very

little body fat as you said, it's unhealthy due to needing body fat too.

Raeth

[Guest guest]

Dwight,

Most of the people in those muscle magazines have other serious health issues behind that low body fat. To get like most of those people you have to take steroids and a lot of them. The human body just won't get that huge without help. This is especially true with women. If you actually look through most muscles magazines you will find page after page of steroid advertizements. This also applies to the pro wrestlers, probably American football players and even many baseball players as well.

Steroids cause all kinds of harm to the body. I know that they can wreck the liver and they probably do strain the heart a great deal as well. It seems logical that if any muscle can be grown by steroids that the heart would grow as well. That would probably be an unhealthy thing since a larger heart is rarely a good thing.

Again, if you want to see the natural limits strength training and genetics, look at the old time strong men or Atlas. Look back to about 1900 or so, in the time before steriods. You'll see men lifting huge weights and they are solid but not mutants like you see today.

Indeed those mutants are responsible for a great deal of body image issues amongst boys. What is the average teen to thing when they see those puffed up characters on the wrestling shows or the huge football players? Even the toys aren't much help. The little G.I. Joe, Star Wars and other figures were normal sizd guys when I was a kid. Obviously they were in good shape, but it was an attainable shape. These days they are all puffed up like the wrestlers. I remember being disgusted a few years ago when they re-released the original run of Star Wars figures. I found a Darth Vader and was excited. But I looked again and he his chest bulged like he had a life jecket on under there. Same with most of the others. They have since done another run that was truer to the original though.

The only good men's magazine I think is Men's Health. Their policy is strictly no steroids: not in ads, not in exercise programs and not in their models. The models they do pick are those who are serious about their workouts and have good genetics, of course. But it is something you could gt close to if you devoted the time and effort. However, it is geared to the NTs so there is some sex stuff in there, but since the female models are usually quite fine, its tolerable. They also have a Women's Health magazine that came out about a year ago.

[Guest guest]

Dwight,

Most of the people in those muscle magazines have other serious health issues behind that low body fat. To get like most of those people you have to take steroids and a lot of them. The human body just won't get that huge without help. This is especially true with women. If you actually look through most muscles magazines you will find page after page of steroid advertizements. This also applies to the pro wrestlers, probably American football players and even many baseball players as well.

Steroids cause all kinds of harm to the body. I know that they can wreck the liver and they probably do strain the heart a great deal as well. It seems logical that if any muscle can be grown by steroids that the heart would grow as well. That would probably be an unhealthy thing since a larger heart is rarely a good thing.

Again, if you want to see the natural limits strength training and genetics, look at the old time strong men or Atlas. Look back to about 1900 or so, in the time before steriods. You'll see men lifting huge weights and they are solid but not mutants like you see today.

Indeed those mutants are responsible for a great deal of body image issues amongst boys. What is the average teen to thing when they see those puffed up characters on the wrestling shows or the huge football players? Even the toys aren't much help. The little G.I. Joe, Star Wars and other figures were normal sizd guys when I was a kid. Obviously they were in good shape, but it was an attainable shape. These days they are all puffed up like the wrestlers. I remember being disgusted a few years ago when they re-released the original run of Star Wars figures. I found a Darth Vader and was excited. But I looked again and he his chest bulged like he had a life jecket on under there. Same with most of the others. They have since done another run that was truer to the original though.

The only good men's magazine I think is Men's Health. Their policy is strictly no steroids: not in ads, not in exercise programs and not in their models. The models they do pick are those who are serious about their workouts and have good genetics, of course. But it is something you could gt close to if you devoted the time and effort. However, it is geared to the NTs so there is some sex stuff in there, but since the female models are usually quite fine, its tolerable. They also have a Women's Health magazine that came out about a year ago.