Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 how long have you been vegan? I am not sure with would be seaveg - though it is possible the intestines are also supposed to synthesize Vit B12 anyway it is good news! johnnyzen2002 wrote: My B12 levels are above normal, and I am vegan. I guess there is B12 in that seaweed after all!!!! -- Ilanit Tof - Signature Ilanit Ms Ilanit Tof B.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology) Advanced Diploma Healing with Wholefoods PhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate) Little Tree Oriental Healing Arts Helping you grow to new heights of wellbeing with Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition ilanit@... www.littletree.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Hello Lesley and Mel, Another potentially confusing part of the B12 issue is that we normally store several years worth of B12 and it is therefore possible to eat a vegan macrobiotic style diet for some time before being depleted. Everyone is different and some people do manage on a vegan macrobiotic diet for long periods but not everyone, so it does need careful consideration and regular checks are a good idea. In my experience it is not enough to rely on sea vegetables and fermented foods as was once claimed. If you wanted to increase your B12 through food the quickest way is to cook clams into your miso soup. These are a very primitive life form and although classified as an animal food you could argue are much closer to vegetables in terms of spirit. All the best, Simon PS has a new cookbook out for children. Having brought up seven children of her own and helped me with my boys and many others she certainly has the experience! Hi , It was great to meet you too. Hey, group, if you ever have a chance to enjoy 's food, please do, because she's an amazing cook. Thanks for your input about B12. From the 2 causes you mention, which is which? I mean, is poor absorption due to overeating grains, and then the inability to store it from the excessive fruit, oil, and sweets? A person could have both problems too, right? My guess is that for myself, it's the fruit, oil, and sweets, just from observing other aspects of my daily condition. If in a couple of months it's still low, I'll go for the shot, but I would like to " improve the soil " so to speak if that's possible. Aloha, > > Hi Lesley > > Good to meet you at the SC. Just a quick thing about B12 - there are two reasons for lack of the vitamin. Either the body's inability to absorb B12 or the inability to store it. The causes are opposite. You need to look at your diet and decide if you are eating too strictly. Too much grain, not enough oil, too much baked foods and salt etc. Sometimes we forget that breads and cracked grain such as oatmeal are also taking up our grain portion and we are actually up eating more like 80% than 40-50%!! The other cause is too much sweets, oil and fruit. I know a few macros that had low B12 and decided to have the shot or took supplements which can both be very helpful in getting things back on track. A one shot deal (literally!) isn't such a bad thing and gives you a starting place to work from. Oh yes it is liver related too and can take a long time to change if only using diet. > > I have read a few of the emails and find everyones comments very interesting. Just remember you healthy folk our there that macro eating is great fun and delicious. Problems occur within the diet when the healthy ones start to eat like unheathy ones and sort of forget that they can enjoy a wide variety of foods including bread, oil and dessert. The key is balance and anything taken in excess can cause problems whether it is cookies or rice. We are all human and no one is perfect or meant to be. There will be days when bread is the most delicious thing to eat and that is fine. Enjoy it and remember to make balance again the next day with lots of llightly cooked vegs etc. Of course the ideal is well balanced everyday but if that is difficult due to work, kids or environment make sure to have plenty of vegs and sort of balance your diet over the week with different cooking styles and ingredients. Health is a direction that we move towards. We either move towards health or away from it and it can be a bit wobbly at times. The ideal is to have many days of vitality, inner strength and a sense of well being rather than trying to reach a static ideal of health. Health is one of those things that is always be just out of reach. > > Thanks for letting me join by the way. > Have a beautiful Tuesday > Many blessings > > > > back to b12 > > > >Just out of curiosity and desire to maintain strong health, I went to > >my physician to get my serum B12 tested. A normal range is 220 to 900 > >(not sure what the unit of meaurement is), but mine was 180, so I have > >to work harder to supplement(but luckily not showing signs of anemia). > >I'm going back in a couple of months to have it tested again. Thought > >I'd share with the group since we talked about this before. I was > >surprised though I guess I shouldn't be. Reggie, have you had yours > >tested? > > > >The doctor was worried about my cholesterol. The low end of average is > >around 220, and mine turned out to be 109, with 47 points of that being > >the good cholesterol. She was duly impressed. That was kind of fun to > >learn about. > > > >Hope everyone is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown Waxman > www.celebrate4health.com > www.bebabywise.com > info@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Hello Lesley and Mel, Another potentially confusing part of the B12 issue is that we normally store several years worth of B12 and it is therefore possible to eat a vegan macrobiotic style diet for some time before being depleted. Everyone is different and some people do manage on a vegan macrobiotic diet for long periods but not everyone, so it does need careful consideration and regular checks are a good idea. In my experience it is not enough to rely on sea vegetables and fermented foods as was once claimed. If you wanted to increase your B12 through food the quickest way is to cook clams into your miso soup. These are a very primitive life form and although classified as an animal food you could argue are much closer to vegetables in terms of spirit. All the best, Simon PS has a new cookbook out for children. Having brought up seven children of her own and helped me with my boys and many others she certainly has the experience! Hi , It was great to meet you too. Hey, group, if you ever have a chance to enjoy 's food, please do, because she's an amazing cook. Thanks for your input about B12. From the 2 causes you mention, which is which? I mean, is poor absorption due to overeating grains, and then the inability to store it from the excessive fruit, oil, and sweets? A person could have both problems too, right? My guess is that for myself, it's the fruit, oil, and sweets, just from observing other aspects of my daily condition. If in a couple of months it's still low, I'll go for the shot, but I would like to " improve the soil " so to speak if that's possible. Aloha, > > Hi Lesley > > Good to meet you at the SC. Just a quick thing about B12 - there are two reasons for lack of the vitamin. Either the body's inability to absorb B12 or the inability to store it. The causes are opposite. You need to look at your diet and decide if you are eating too strictly. Too much grain, not enough oil, too much baked foods and salt etc. Sometimes we forget that breads and cracked grain such as oatmeal are also taking up our grain portion and we are actually up eating more like 80% than 40-50%!! The other cause is too much sweets, oil and fruit. I know a few macros that had low B12 and decided to have the shot or took supplements which can both be very helpful in getting things back on track. A one shot deal (literally!) isn't such a bad thing and gives you a starting place to work from. Oh yes it is liver related too and can take a long time to change if only using diet. > > I have read a few of the emails and find everyones comments very interesting. Just remember you healthy folk our there that macro eating is great fun and delicious. Problems occur within the diet when the healthy ones start to eat like unheathy ones and sort of forget that they can enjoy a wide variety of foods including bread, oil and dessert. The key is balance and anything taken in excess can cause problems whether it is cookies or rice. We are all human and no one is perfect or meant to be. There will be days when bread is the most delicious thing to eat and that is fine. Enjoy it and remember to make balance again the next day with lots of llightly cooked vegs etc. Of course the ideal is well balanced everyday but if that is difficult due to work, kids or environment make sure to have plenty of vegs and sort of balance your diet over the week with different cooking styles and ingredients. Health is a direction that we move towards. We either move towards health or away from it and it can be a bit wobbly at times. The ideal is to have many days of vitality, inner strength and a sense of well being rather than trying to reach a static ideal of health. Health is one of those things that is always be just out of reach. > > Thanks for letting me join by the way. > Have a beautiful Tuesday > Many blessings > > > > back to b12 > > > >Just out of curiosity and desire to maintain strong health, I went to > >my physician to get my serum B12 tested. A normal range is 220 to 900 > >(not sure what the unit of meaurement is), but mine was 180, so I have > >to work harder to supplement(but luckily not showing signs of anemia). > >I'm going back in a couple of months to have it tested again. Thought > >I'd share with the group since we talked about this before. I was > >surprised though I guess I shouldn't be. Reggie, have you had yours > >tested? > > > >The doctor was worried about my cholesterol. The low end of average is > >around 220, and mine turned out to be 109, with 47 points of that being > >the good cholesterol. She was duly impressed. That was kind of fun to > >learn about. > > > >Hope everyone is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown Waxman > www.celebrate4health.com > www.bebabywise.com > info@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Hi Yes, definately can be from both extremes and yes, you have it correct about the causes. Usually one follows the other anyway. If you are too tight then it is natural to crave sweets, oil and also overeating in an attempt to relax. Look at your lifestyle too. We seek balance in all areas so maybe is a little bit of all work and no play. Life is a constant wave back and forth like the ocean or like the breath in and out, it is a movement and a rest. In modern day life many of us forget the importance of rest or have had it drummed into us that nothing will be achieved without hard work. This actually goes againest the order of nature. If you are having fun and really loving life, then good things come your way. It is always beneficial to have a quick check to see which areas are sort of lacking or which things you would like more of, maybe spending time with friends, a new form of exercise, focus on spirituality and so on. Of course it isn't possible to have everything in perfect balance but once something is brought to the conscious mind, it is easier for it to become part of your life. Thanks for your lovely comments about my cooking. Blessings back to b12 >> > >> >Just out of curiosity and desire to maintain strong health, I went >to >> >my physician to get my serum B12 tested. A normal range is 220 to >900 >> >(not sure what the unit of meaurement is), but mine was 180, so I >have >> >to work harder to supplement(but luckily not showing signs of >anemia). >> >I'm going back in a couple of months to have it tested again. >Thought >> >I'd share with the group since we talked about this before. I was >> >surprised though I guess I shouldn't be. Reggie, have you had >yours >> >tested? >> > >> >The doctor was worried about my cholesterol. The low end of >average is >> >around 220, and mine turned out to be 109, with 47 points of that >being >> >the good cholesterol. She was duly impressed. That was kind of >fun to >> >learn about. >> > >> >Hope everyone is well. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> Brown Waxman >> www.celebrate4health.com >> www.bebabywise.com >> info@... >> > > > > > Brown Waxman www.celebrate4health.com www.bebabywise.com info@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Yes I wondered what you would say! I guess that Ipod is out of the question now. Vitamin B12 and D (if you do not get enough sun) are the two things that can be lacking in a vegan style macrobiotic diet and is something we should be careful of. I do respect anyone’s convictions in terms of food and at the same time think we do need to be aware of what our options are. All the best, Simon Clams??????????? Simon!!! This is a vegan group. 40 lashes with a carrot! Any vegan suggestions? I know about , I would love to meet up with her. 7 kids I could hardly imagine that. Girl, you get a prize or 2. Gaz, do you have 's book on cybermacro??? > > Hello Lesley and Mel, > > Another potentially confusing part of the B12 issue is that we normally > store several years worth of B12 and it is therefore possible to eat a vegan > macrobiotic style diet for some time before being depleted. Everyone is > different and some people do manage on a vegan macrobiotic diet for long > periods but not everyone, so it does need careful consideration and regular > checks are a good idea. In my experience it is not enough to rely on sea > vegetables and fermented foods as was once claimed. If you wanted to > increase your B12 through food the quickest way is to cook clams into your > miso soup. These are a very primitive life form and although classified as > an animal food you could argue are much closer to vegetables in terms of > spirit. > > All the best, > > Simon > > PS has a new cookbook out for children. Having brought up seven > children of her own and helped me with my boys and many others she certainly > has the experience! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Yes I wondered what you would say! I guess that Ipod is out of the question now. Vitamin B12 and D (if you do not get enough sun) are the two things that can be lacking in a vegan style macrobiotic diet and is something we should be careful of. I do respect anyone’s convictions in terms of food and at the same time think we do need to be aware of what our options are. All the best, Simon Clams??????????? Simon!!! This is a vegan group. 40 lashes with a carrot! Any vegan suggestions? I know about , I would love to meet up with her. 7 kids I could hardly imagine that. Girl, you get a prize or 2. Gaz, do you have 's book on cybermacro??? > > Hello Lesley and Mel, > > Another potentially confusing part of the B12 issue is that we normally > store several years worth of B12 and it is therefore possible to eat a vegan > macrobiotic style diet for some time before being depleted. Everyone is > different and some people do manage on a vegan macrobiotic diet for long > periods but not everyone, so it does need careful consideration and regular > checks are a good idea. In my experience it is not enough to rely on sea > vegetables and fermented foods as was once claimed. If you wanted to > increase your B12 through food the quickest way is to cook clams into your > miso soup. These are a very primitive life form and although classified as > an animal food you could argue are much closer to vegetables in terms of > spirit. > > All the best, > > Simon > > PS has a new cookbook out for children. Having brought up seven > children of her own and helped me with my boys and many others she certainly > has the experience! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Yes it is 100% vegan. I hadn't known about it before, but I went to a cooking demonstration by Pirello at my local Whole Foods and asked her about it (it was during the group's last B-12 discussion) and she said that she takes the sublingual vitamin. If you go to the vitamin section, there should be the one display that is the Whole Foods brand vitamins. They usually come in either 50 or 100 tablet bottles, I buy the 50 because I get nervous about having the tablets sit in my cabinet for so long. purpleveg wrote: Hey , Is it vegan? Which one is it? I'll go check it out at WF.Thanks,Reg>> I take a sublingual Vit. B-12 about once a week. It's a little pink dot that you dissolve under your tongue, and it is definitely not analog so your body is able to absorb and use it quite well. I get mine from Whole Foods, you can get a bottle of 50 for almost no money at all, and since I only take one a week that's a whole year's supply! I never thought about the B-12 shot before, interesting. Will have to look that one up.> > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 normal b12 tablets are okay too - i think the methylcobalamin which is freely available in the US is more absobrbale - here it is not available like that this is the form used in the injections I did hear froma very cluey holistic doc that too much b12 - as in massive doses given by injection or orally - often to help fatigue or other issues can depress the thyroid - so everything in moderation and balance! purpleveg wrote: Hey , I was just at WF a few hours ago and saw all the b12 but they all have fructose in them. There is one liquid sweetened with agave syrup but it's $20. I'm going to have to wait before buying it. > > > > I take a sublingual Vit. B-12 about once a week. It's a little pink > dot that you dissolve under your tongue, and it is definitely not > analog so your body is able to absorb and use it quite well. I get > mine from Whole Foods, you can get a bottle of 50 for almost no money > at all, and since I only take one a week that's a whole year's > supply! I never thought about the B-12 shot before, interesting. > Will have to look that one up. > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. > -- Ilanit Tof - Signature Ilanit Ms Ilanit Tof B.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology) Advanced Diploma Healing with Wholefoods PhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate) Little Tree Oriental Healing Arts Helping you grow to new heights of wellbeing with Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition ilanit@... www.littletree.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 normal b12 tablets are okay too - i think the methylcobalamin which is freely available in the US is more absobrbale - here it is not available like that this is the form used in the injections I did hear froma very cluey holistic doc that too much b12 - as in massive doses given by injection or orally - often to help fatigue or other issues can depress the thyroid - so everything in moderation and balance! purpleveg wrote: Hey , I was just at WF a few hours ago and saw all the b12 but they all have fructose in them. There is one liquid sweetened with agave syrup but it's $20. I'm going to have to wait before buying it. > > > > I take a sublingual Vit. B-12 about once a week. It's a little pink > dot that you dissolve under your tongue, and it is definitely not > analog so your body is able to absorb and use it quite well. I get > mine from Whole Foods, you can get a bottle of 50 for almost no money > at all, and since I only take one a week that's a whole year's > supply! I never thought about the B-12 shot before, interesting. > Will have to look that one up. > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. > -- Ilanit Tof - Signature Ilanit Ms Ilanit Tof B.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology) Advanced Diploma Healing with Wholefoods PhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate) Little Tree Oriental Healing Arts Helping you grow to new heights of wellbeing with Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition ilanit@... www.littletree.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 the vitamin D issues is even more diffiuclt it seems that B12 (with fermented foods, mushrooms, intestinal generation - supposedly) if there is not adequate sun exposure - there has been a lot of very interestin vitamin D related info and many people are very low - I had mine tested and it was very very very low I recently read that sunflower seeds are a source but i have not verified that also some say chlorella has the Vitamin D2 form (less active that D3) Simon G. Brown wrote: Yes I wondered what you would say! I guess that Ipod is out of the question now. Vitamin B12 and D (if you do not get enough sun) are the two things that can be lacking in a vegan style macrobiotic diet and is something we should be careful of. I do respect anyone’s convictions in terms of food and at the same time think we do need to be aware of what our options are. All the best, Simon On 30/8/06 16:41, "purpleveg" <purpleveg> wrote: Clams??????????? Simon!!! This is a vegan group. 40 lashes with a carrot! Any vegan suggestions? I know about , I would love to meet up with her. 7 kids I could hardly imagine that. Girl, you get a prize or 2. Gaz, do you have 's book on cybermacro??? > > Hello Lesley and Mel, > > Another potentially confusing part of the B12 issue is that we normally > store several years worth of B12 and it is therefore possible to eat a vegan > macrobiotic style diet for some time before being depleted. Everyone is > different and some people do manage on a vegan macrobiotic diet for long > periods but not everyone, so it does need careful consideration and regular > checks are a good idea. In my experience it is not enough to rely on sea > vegetables and fermented foods as was once claimed. If you wanted to > increase your B12 through food the quickest way is to cook clams into your > miso soup. These are a very primitive life form and although classified as > an animal food you could argue are much closer to vegetables in terms of > spirit. > > All the best, > > Simon > > PS has a new cookbook out for children. Having brought up seven > children of her own and helped me with my boys and many others she certainly > has the experience! -- Ilanit Tof - Signature Ilanit Ms Ilanit Tof B.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology) Advanced Diploma Healing with Wholefoods PhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate) Little Tree Oriental Healing Arts Helping you grow to new heights of wellbeing with Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition ilanit@... www.littletree.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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