RE: Refrigerator for Vaccines

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I bought a little "compact" but bigger than the cube refrigerator at Lowes last month that has a separate freezer (door is separate) and the control is separate. It comes in 2 sizes, the bigger one is the one with the separate control, if there is a Lowes near you maybe have a look.

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What " specs " would be appropriate?

I'd have thought that newer refrigerators/freezers would be adequate but

some other messages suggest certain models may not be. Is there something

that I should look for in regards to insulation for the compartments or

some industry standard?

This was something I planned to do last before the office opens and

assumed it would be easy. I'd hate to run into a hassle.

Thanks,

Tim

> I bought my fridge from a local store, just made sure the specs for

> temperature were appropriate. Bought some inexpensive thermometers and

> adjust the temp accordingly. These days you can get a fridge

> inexpensively so why take the chance on a used one.

>

> rocky

>

> --- postrio wrote:

>

>> Oops, another question I forgot. Any caveats to a cost-effective

>> vaccine refrigerator? Can a Sears refrigerator with a latch and

>> temperature alarm suffice? Anybody buy a used fridge and live to

>> regret it?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Rocky Patel wrote:

>> A lot of times by working with a sales rep with whichever company

>> you

>> use, you can sometimes get better deals that " off the web " pricing. I

>> often do that with my Henry Schein rep.

>>

>> " Medical will get x vaccination for y price, can you beat

>> that? "

>>

>> rocky

>>

>> --- lynn ho wrote:

>>

>> > re Td- I am losing money on the decavac, the new preservative free

>> vaccine

>> > from Aventis, costs about $22 per dose. All the insurances I accept

>> besides

>> > Blue Cross(pays $28!, a recent increase) reimburse about $11 per

>> dose,

>> > doesn't even pay my costs or my time or the cost of the syringe.

>> The old

>> > multidose thimerosol Td vaccine costs about $13 dose (I think last

>> year it

>> > used to cost less) , so I have some of that too for those

>> insurances

>> > that

>> > won't pay for the preservative free vaccine. (local medicaid and

>> managed

>> > medicaid pays about $8 to maybe as much as $12 per dose).

>> > I tried submitting my actual invoices and costs with the EOB, but

>> got

>> >

>> > nowhere, to me it's not worth the hassle. I simply eat the costs

>> for

>> > the

>> > sake of good patient care.

>> > If anyone has any other way to beat this problem, please let me

>> know.

>> >

>> > Lynn Ho

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>> Rakesh Patel MD

>> Arizona Sun Family Medicine, P.C.

>> 633 East Ray Road, #101

>> Gilbert, Arizona 85296

>>

>> www.azsunfm.com

>>

>> PLEASE NOTE: Email is not a secure form of communication. It should

>> not be used for urgent or sensitive messages. Email may be done

>> securely through our web portal. If you have a medical emergency go to

>> an Emergency Room or call 911.

>>

>>

>>

>> ---------------------------------

>> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

>>

>>

>> Visit your group " " on the web.

>>

>>

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Can't have an " ice box " if a freezer is required. It must be a separate

compartment with separate thermostats.

Re: Refrigerator for Vaccines

What " specs " would be appropriate?

I'd have thought that newer refrigerators/freezers would be adequate but

some other messages suggest certain models may not be. Is there something

that I should look for in regards to insulation for the compartments or

some industry standard?

This was something I planned to do last before the office opens and

assumed it would be easy. I'd hate to run into a hassle.

Thanks,

Tim

> I bought my fridge from a local store, just made sure the specs for

> temperature were appropriate. Bought some inexpensive thermometers and

> adjust the temp accordingly. These days you can get a fridge

> inexpensively so why take the chance on a used one.

>

> rocky

>

> --- postrio wrote:

>

>> Oops, another question I forgot. Any caveats to a cost-effective

>> vaccine refrigerator? Can a Sears refrigerator with a latch and

>> temperature alarm suffice? Anybody buy a used fridge and live to

>> regret it?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Rocky Patel wrote:

>> A lot of times by working with a sales rep with whichever company

>> you

>> use, you can sometimes get better deals that " off the web " pricing. I

>> often do that with my Henry Schein rep.

>>

>> " Medical will get x vaccination for y price, can you beat

>> that? "

>>

>> rocky

>>

>> --- lynn ho wrote:

>>

>> > re Td- I am losing money on the decavac, the new preservative free

>> vaccine

>> > from Aventis, costs about $22 per dose. All the insurances I accept

>> besides

>> > Blue Cross(pays $28!, a recent increase) reimburse about $11 per

>> dose,

>> > doesn't even pay my costs or my time or the cost of the syringe.

>> The old

>> > multidose thimerosol Td vaccine costs about $13 dose (I think last

>> year it

>> > used to cost less) , so I have some of that too for those

>> insurances

>> > that

>> > won't pay for the preservative free vaccine. (local medicaid and

>> managed

>> > medicaid pays about $8 to maybe as much as $12 per dose).

>> > I tried submitting my actual invoices and costs with the EOB, but

>> got

>> >

>> > nowhere, to me it's not worth the hassle. I simply eat the costs

>> for

>> > the

>> > sake of good patient care.

>> > If anyone has any other way to beat this problem, please let me

>> know.

>> >

>> > Lynn Ho

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>> Rakesh Patel MD

>> Arizona Sun Family Medicine, P.C.

>> 633 East Ray Road, #101

>> Gilbert, Arizona 85296

>>

>> www.azsunfm.com

>>

>> PLEASE NOTE: Email is not a secure form of communication. It should

>> not be used for urgent or sensitive messages. Email may be done

>> securely through our web portal. If you have a medical emergency go to

>> an Emergency Room or call 911.

>>

>>

>>

>> ---------------------------------

>> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

>>

>>

>> Visit your group " " on the web.

>>

>>

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There is one " dorm style " though that has a separate freezer (door &

thermostat). It is at Sears. We have that one.

Re: Refrigerator for Vaccines

>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:57:05 -0800 (PST)

>

>I bought my fridge from a local store, just made sure the specs for

>temperature were appropriate. Bought some inexpensive thermometers and

>adjust the temp accordingly. These days you can get a fridge

>inexpensively so why take the chance on a used one.

>

>rocky

>

>--- postrio wrote:

>

> > Oops, another question I forgot. Any caveats to a cost-effective

> > vaccine refrigerator? Can a Sears refrigerator with a latch and

> > temperature alarm suffice? Anybody buy a used fridge and live to

> > regret it?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Rocky Patel wrote:

> > A lot of times by working with a sales rep with whichever company

> > you

> > use, you can sometimes get better deals that " off the web " pricing. I

> > often do that with my Henry Schein rep.

> >

> > " Medical will get x vaccination for y price, can you beat

> > that? "

> >

> > rocky

> >

> > --- lynn ho wrote:

> >

> > > re Td- I am losing money on the decavac, the new preservative free

> > > vaccine

> > > from Aventis, costs about $22 per dose. All the insurances I accept

> > > besides

> > > Blue Cross(pays $28!, a recent increase) reimburse about $11 per

> > > dose,

> > > doesn't even pay my costs or my time or the cost of the syringe.

> > > The old

> > > multidose thimerosol Td vaccine costs about $13 dose (I think last

> > > year it

> > > used to cost less) , so I have some of that too for those

> > insurances

> > > that

> > > won't pay for the preservative free vaccine. (local medicaid and

> > > managed

> > > medicaid pays about $8 to maybe as much as $12 per dose).

> > > I tried submitting my actual invoices and costs with the EOB, but

> > got

> > >

> > > nowhere, to me it's not worth the hassle. I simply eat the costs

> > for

> > > the

> > > sake of good patient care.

> > > If anyone has any other way to beat this problem, please let me

> > know.

> > >

> > > Lynn Ho

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Rakesh Patel MD

> > Arizona Sun Family Medicine, P.C.

> > 633 East Ray Road, #101

> > Gilbert, Arizona 85296

> >

> > www.azsunfm.com

> >

> > PLEASE NOTE: Email is not a secure form of communication. It should

> > not be used for urgent or sensitive messages. Email may be done

> > securely through our web portal. If you have a medical emergency go

> > to an Emergency Room or call 911.

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

> >

> >

> > Visit your group " " on the web.

> >

> >

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Just in terms of temps needed for the vaccines and making sure the

fridge/freezer can do what you need

rocky

--- " Malia, MD " wrote:

> What " specs " would be appropriate?

> I'd have thought that newer refrigerators/freezers would be adequate

> but

> some other messages suggest certain models may not be. Is there

> something

> that I should look for in regards to insulation for the compartments

> or

> some industry standard?

> This was something I planned to do last before the office opens and

> assumed it would be easy. I'd hate to run into a hassle.

> Thanks,

> Tim

>

> > I bought my fridge from a local store, just made sure the specs for

> > temperature were appropriate. Bought some inexpensive thermometers

> and

> > adjust the temp accordingly. These days you can get a fridge

> > inexpensively so why take the chance on a used one.

> >

> > rocky

> >

> > --- postrio wrote:

> >

> >> Oops, another question I forgot. Any caveats to a cost-effective

> >> vaccine refrigerator? Can a Sears refrigerator with a latch and

> >> temperature alarm suffice? Anybody buy a used fridge and live to

> >> regret it?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Rocky Patel wrote:

> >> A lot of times by working with a sales rep with whichever

> company

> >> you

> >> use, you can sometimes get better deals that " off the web "

> pricing. I

> >> often do that with my Henry Schein rep.

> >>

> >> " Medical will get x vaccination for y price, can you beat

> >> that? "

> >>

> >> rocky

> >>

> >> --- lynn ho wrote:

> >>

> >> > re Td- I am losing money on the decavac, the new preservative

> free

> >> vaccine

> >> > from Aventis, costs about $22 per dose. All the insurances I

> accept

> >> besides

> >> > Blue Cross(pays $28!, a recent increase) reimburse about $11 per

> >> dose,

> >> > doesn't even pay my costs or my time or the cost of the

> syringe.

> >> The old

> >> > multidose thimerosol Td vaccine costs about $13 dose (I think

> last

> >> year it

> >> > used to cost less) , so I have some of that too for those

> >> insurances

> >> > that

> >> > won't pay for the preservative free vaccine. (local medicaid

> and

> >> managed

> >> > medicaid pays about $8 to maybe as much as $12 per dose).

> >> > I tried submitting my actual invoices and costs with the EOB,

> but

> >> got

> >> >

> >> > nowhere, to me it's not worth the hassle. I simply eat the

> costs

> >> for

> >> > the

> >> > sake of good patient care.

> >> > If anyone has any other way to beat this problem, please let me

> >> know.

> >> >

> >> > Lynn Ho

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Rakesh Patel MD

> >> Arizona Sun Family Medicine, P.C.

> >> 633 East Ray Road, #101

> >> Gilbert, Arizona 85296

> >>

> >> www.azsunfm.com

> >>

> >> PLEASE NOTE: Email is not a secure form of communication. It

> should

> >> not be used for urgent or sensitive messages. Email may be done

> >> securely through our web portal. If you have a medical emergency

> go to

> >> an Emergency Room or call 911.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> ---------------------------------

> >> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

> >>

> >>

> >> Visit your group " " on the web.

> >>

> >>

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the freezer must be able to maintain <5 degrees F, the refrigerator is

allowed to be 36-46 F and the trick is to keep the freezer cold enough but

not to freeze the frig.

Lynn

>

>Reply-To:

>To: < >

>Subject: RE: Refrigerator for Vaccines

>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:28:07 -0500

>

>Can't have an " ice box " if a freezer is required. It must be a separate

>compartment with separate thermostats.

>

>

>

> Re: Refrigerator for Vaccines

>

>What " specs " would be appropriate?

>I'd have thought that newer refrigerators/freezers would be adequate but

>some other messages suggest certain models may not be. Is there something

>that I should look for in regards to insulation for the compartments or

>some industry standard?

>This was something I planned to do last before the office opens and

>assumed it would be easy. I'd hate to run into a hassle.

>Thanks,

>Tim

>

> > I bought my fridge from a local store, just made sure the specs for

> > temperature were appropriate. Bought some inexpensive thermometers and

> > adjust the temp accordingly. These days you can get a fridge

> > inexpensively so why take the chance on a used one.

> >

> > rocky

> >

> > --- postrio wrote:

> >

> >> Oops, another question I forgot. Any caveats to a cost-effective

> >> vaccine refrigerator? Can a Sears refrigerator with a latch and

> >> temperature alarm suffice? Anybody buy a used fridge and live to

> >> regret it?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Rocky Patel wrote:

> >> A lot of times by working with a sales rep with whichever company

> >> you

> >> use, you can sometimes get better deals that " off the web " pricing. I

> >> often do that with my Henry Schein rep.

> >>

> >> " Medical will get x vaccination for y price, can you beat

> >> that? "

> >>

> >> rocky

> >>

> >> --- lynn ho wrote:

> >>

> >> > re Td- I am losing money on the decavac, the new preservative free

> >> vaccine

> >> > from Aventis, costs about $22 per dose. All the insurances I accept

> >> besides

> >> > Blue Cross(pays $28!, a recent increase) reimburse about $11 per

> >> dose,

> >> > doesn't even pay my costs or my time or the cost of the syringe.

> >> The old

> >> > multidose thimerosol Td vaccine costs about $13 dose (I think last

> >> year it

> >> > used to cost less) , so I have some of that too for those

> >> insurances

> >> > that

> >> > won't pay for the preservative free vaccine. (local medicaid and

> >> managed

> >> > medicaid pays about $8 to maybe as much as $12 per dose).

> >> > I tried submitting my actual invoices and costs with the EOB, but

> >> got

> >> >

> >> > nowhere, to me it's not worth the hassle. I simply eat the costs

> >> for

> >> > the

> >> > sake of good patient care.

> >> > If anyone has any other way to beat this problem, please let me

> >> know.

> >> >

> >> > Lynn Ho

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Rakesh Patel MD

> >> Arizona Sun Family Medicine, P.C.

> >> 633 East Ray Road, #101

> >> Gilbert, Arizona 85296

> >>

> >> www.azsunfm.com

> >>

> >> PLEASE NOTE: Email is not a secure form of communication. It should

> >> not be used for urgent or sensitive messages. Email may be done

> >> securely through our web portal. If you have a medical emergency go to

> >> an Emergency Room or call 911.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> ---------------------------------

> >> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

> >>

> >>

> >> Visit your group " " on the web.

> >>

> >>

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Yes, you're right that can be a balancing act. I thought ours had separate

controls, but now I realize that it only has one for both the refrig &

freezer.

Re: Refrigerator for Vaccines

>

>What " specs " would be appropriate?

>I'd have thought that newer refrigerators/freezers would be adequate but

>some other messages suggest certain models may not be. Is there something

>that I should look for in regards to insulation for the compartments or

>some industry standard?

>This was something I planned to do last before the office opens and

>assumed it would be easy. I'd hate to run into a hassle.

>Thanks,

>Tim

>

> > I bought my fridge from a local store, just made sure the specs for

> > temperature were appropriate. Bought some inexpensive thermometers and

> > adjust the temp accordingly. These days you can get a fridge

> > inexpensively so why take the chance on a used one.

> >

> > rocky

> >

> > --- postrio wrote:

> >

> >> Oops, another question I forgot. Any caveats to a cost-effective

> >> vaccine refrigerator? Can a Sears refrigerator with a latch and

> >> temperature alarm suffice? Anybody buy a used fridge and live to

> >> regret it?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Rocky Patel wrote:

> >> A lot of times by working with a sales rep with whichever company

> >> you

> >> use, you can sometimes get better deals that " off the web " pricing. I

> >> often do that with my Henry Schein rep.

> >>

> >> " Medical will get x vaccination for y price, can you beat

> >> that? "

> >>

> >> rocky

> >>

> >> --- lynn ho wrote:

> >>

> >> > re Td- I am losing money on the decavac, the new preservative free

> >> vaccine

> >> > from Aventis, costs about $22 per dose. All the insurances I accept

> >> besides

> >> > Blue Cross(pays $28!, a recent increase) reimburse about $11 per

> >> dose,

> >> > doesn't even pay my costs or my time or the cost of the syringe.

> >> The old

> >> > multidose thimerosol Td vaccine costs about $13 dose (I think last

> >> year it

> >> > used to cost less) , so I have some of that too for those

> >> insurances

> >> > that

> >> > won't pay for the preservative free vaccine. (local medicaid and

> >> managed

> >> > medicaid pays about $8 to maybe as much as $12 per dose).

> >> > I tried submitting my actual invoices and costs with the EOB, but

> >> got

> >> >

> >> > nowhere, to me it's not worth the hassle. I simply eat the costs

> >> for

> >> > the

> >> > sake of good patient care.

> >> > If anyone has any other way to beat this problem, please let me

> >> know.

> >> >

> >> > Lynn Ho

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Rakesh Patel MD

> >> Arizona Sun Family Medicine, P.C.

> >> 633 East Ray Road, #101

> >> Gilbert, Arizona 85296

> >>

> >> www.azsunfm.com

> >>

> >> PLEASE NOTE: Email is not a secure form of communication. It should

> >> not be used for urgent or sensitive messages. Email may be done

> >> securely through our web portal. If you have a medical emergency go to

> >> an Emergency Room or call 911.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> ---------------------------------

> >> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

> >>

> >>

> >> Visit your group " " on the web.

> >>

> >>

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This is what I was saying about the dorm size ones. There are 2 different sizes of the type with separate freezer doors at Lowes, only the larger has a separate freezer control. At my old office they kept the Varivax in the break room freezer, with the popsicles, I seriously doubt this is OK with the insurance company inspectors, so I bought the bigger "dorm size" (It was around $250)

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This is what I was saying about the dorm size ones. There are 2 different sizes of the type with separate freezer doors at Lowes, only the larger has a separate freezer control. At my old office they kept the Varivax in the break room freezer, with the popsicles, I seriously doubt this is OK with the insurance company inspectors, so I bought the bigger "dorm size" (It was around $250)